Why ? why are you above him ? What makes you better and more enlightened than say me or the next person that comes in and posts ? Why do you feel it is necisary to come here and teach us these things ?

If you look in the dictionary next to the entry: pretentious and supercilious poster you will see:


The pretentiousness is so thick that I can't even roll my eyes... well just a little bit; but not nearly enough to show my true feelings on the matter.

...makes me feel like watching a flew over the kokoo's nest...
4:20's burn was sweet.

If at least you would try to understand!

I never said that I am enlightened. I said: "Nature speaks for me! Because like you, I am also "Nobody." So, my own thoughts are indeed irrelevant."

"Do I walk with my thoughts above your head? Meaning: You do not care about my posts, they float above your head because they do not fit the theories of your mind!

"Let me tell you, even if I would walk on mine own errors; still I would walk above you and your head. " Meaning: Even if I were to write about mine own errors and about my own arrogant and pretentious mind, still my posts would float above your head because they wont fit the theories of your mind.

This shows us that our minds are

It is better if we develop intuition, a faculty millions of times more superior than reasoning!



This modern technological Society is the outcome of our individual minds, if society exists it is because we exist. So, if you express your thoughs, I also have the right to express my own thoughts. This is call D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y (the righ for free speech).

We need to be more culturaly diverse. Ignorance is the root of all evil.

Best regards!

btw, just asking the obvious, Why whis topic is in ancient mysteries&alternative history? I've seen not even a hint of either.. or even closely related issues.. Shouldn't/isn't there a category for bs?
Loge, those hardly were you're thoughts that has been expressed here, it was just really long essey about possible end. Nice of you to educate us, but you could have just linked the sites from where you took the info. I'm all for the cultural divercity and opposing ignorance, but I fail to see how your posts do any good for either.

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By the way, why do you allow these kind of filthy and rubbish thoughts (quoted above) to be written here?

Are these thoughts good and enlightened for the next person that comes in and posts?

What is good for some is bad for others; what is bad for some is good for others!

Let us go beyond good and bad.

What is important is to take advantage of the information given and to see if it applies to us in any way!

Best regards!

Yes, concept of good and bad is interesting filosofical issue, but it doesn't fit to this category either.



I'd suggest that too. What advantage can we take of the information given in this case? As important as taking advantage of the information, is to be able to critisize it's importance. And, let's take this to another level, even if information was important it still can stay in meaningness level regarding the possibilities of using it for anything.

Your finding that world will end is very interesting, thank you for sharing it, and of course I respect your opinion of it's gravity, but please do not preach. It's demeaning and proves only the limits of your mind.

Best regards

Yes, concept of good and bad is interesting philosophical issue; sorry that it does not fit your category.

I do not know what advantage you can take of the information given in this case; since that depends of your level of comprehension.

Yes, as important as taking advantage of the information, is to be able to criticize its importance with very wise statements and not with mere insubstantial, vain wordiness of ambiguous chattering.

This is the only way to take this to another level, because if we do not comprehend it, even if the information was important it still can stay in meaningless level regarding the possibilities of using it for anything.

I also respect your opinion, but, likewise, please do not preach me not to preach. It's demeaning and proves only the limits of our minds.

Best regards

Allrighty then
I will not start guessing wheter you actually do have some sarcastic sense of humor, or are you just plain arrogant and self-observed. It wouldn't be very fruitful way to spend 3 seconds. Instead I will try from now on not to post in the topics you have started. Obviously your wish is that you'd be just admired and worshiped for oh so intellectual and unique knowledge. There goes my limit
But just one tip, and this one is free, try to widen your thinking a bit, you might find out that ppl that disagree with you might be more interesting to talk to, 'cause they actually can tell you something you might not have considered.

Best regards

"I sought in vain,
and now can see full well
in the whole world
nothing is precious enough
to satisfy a man in substitute
for the delight and worth of a woman!"

"Wherever life does move,
in water, on land and in the air,
I sought diligently.
I have enquired of all,
wherever force does rouse
and buds do spring:
what do men deem
more potent
than delight and worth of woman?"

"But no matter where life stirs
my questioning guile
met only with derision.
In water, on earth and in the air
naught will forgo
love and woman."

Loge

Loge, I read the entire thread and just wanted to tell you that I respect your opinion even though I don’t agree with you… You speak with great certainty about the fate of the human kind by using facts and resources that somebody else wrote and posted on the web. Then you posted very conflicting scientific information about increased number of volcanoes, natural disasters, the stars in the Pleiades cluster, etc. I have to disagree with most of the information you provided here. Interpreting natural phenomena is not that simple and it is not only the increasing number that counts. It will be more useful for everybody if you provide a brief resume of your own beliefs rather than copying and pasting from other web sites. This way we can have a fruitful discussion.
It also seems to me that you never answer the questions that people ask you. Instead you post a long message with irrelevant information. If you want people to follow you try to give a prompt reply.
Anyway, this is just my personal opinion…

This from the master of vain wordiness of ambiguous chattering.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

Yes perhaps it means this, but the actual phsycology behind the use of the word, 'above' , would put a superior quality to your own thoughts . For you could have said simply , "I don't think you quite grasp the concept " or "perhaps you missed something " .. but instead you used the word "above" , I find this very interesting .
thank-you for pointing this out this makes me happy , because I love asking questions and I have so many for you .




Perhaps not all evil Loge , I think maybe your being a skoshe harsh .


So nature speaks to you then , where do you converse with Nature best Loge ?

Or Pretty Ugly

When I meditate on the love of a mother!

And how does nature talk to you when you meditate? Im guessing its not a
"Plz give me a sign to answer my question. If I dont hear thunder, I'll take it as a yes, if I do, I'll take it as a no."

Nature talks with the voice of the silence!

But how can you listen the voice of nature
if your mind is in constant internal chatter?

Lol, thats actually a good one!

But seriously, I'm wondering, how does nature talk to you? How do you know that it is nature, and not your imagination and you seeing things (or hearing things) you want to see/hear?

Loge, I have a question for you. You mentioned earlier that the Magnetic Pole does not coincide with the geographical North Pole. How is this an indication that an impeding doom for the human kind is progressing?

Our solar system travels around the zodiacal belt and during its voyage many unusual things happen.

The poles of the Earth shift little by little during the voyage of the solar system around the zodiacal belt.

Eventually, the poles will convert themselves into the Equator, and the Equator into the poles. This will occur when our solar system concludes its definite voyage around the zodiacal belt.

Therefore, when the solar system arrives to the exact degree of original departure, the continents of the planet Earth will submerge themselves into the bottom of the ocean.

A cosmic event is going to accelerate this process of swift change to the axis of the planet Earth. This will be the event of the planet Barnard. This planet is six times bigger than the planet Jupiter. The planet Barnard belongs to the distant solar system of Tylo. The solar system of Tylo is rapidly approaching our solar system, and Barnard is rapidly approaching Earth.

Modern Astronomers have before their sight the planet Barnard, modern science call it the Barnard star.

This planet is a powerful giant that will pass through an angle of our solar system. When this happens, the revolution of the axis of the planet Earth will accelerate violently. Then the final catastrophe will occur.



Nostradamus in a letter to King Henry II said: "This will be preceded by a solar eclipse (1999) more dark and gloomy than any since the creation of the world, except that after the death and passion of Jesus Christ.

"And it will be in the month of October than the great translation will be made and it will be such that one will think the gravity of the earth has lost its natural movement and that it is to be plunged into the abyss of perpetual darkness."

Astrological Interpretation: from the solar eclipse 1999 in the autumn equinox “September 21st [seventh month]” to October 2040 [the month of Halloween 40 years of catastrophes before the Golden Age.

"By this discourse, Sire, I present these predictions almost with confusion, especially as to when they will take place. Furthermore, the chronology of time which follows conforms very little, if at all, with that which has already been set forth. Yet it was determined by astronomy and other sources, including Holy Scriptures, and thus could not err. If I had wanted to date each quatrain, I could have done so. But this would not have been agreeable to all, least of all to those interpreting them, and was not to be done until Your Majesty granted me full power to do so, lest calumniators be furnished with an opportunity to injure me."

Loge, if I follow your logic here is what I get from your post:

The magnetic poles of the Earth will shift through its voyage around the zodiacal belt and eventually they will move from the geographical pole to the geographical equator. This process will be accelerated by the so called "planet Barnard" which is approaching our Solar system. When this Barnard planet passes through the Solar system that will cause violent "revolution" of the axes of our Planet. I did not get the second part. Nostradamus predicted 40 years of catastrophes starting with the Solar eclipse in 1999. After these 40 years the golden age will come. How does the Barnard star fit in his prophesy?

I also have several problems with the scientific part:


I guess you are reffering to the ecliptic plane, so even though saying that the Solar system travels around the zoadiacal belt is not exactly correct I understand what do you mean so I will accept this fact.



Are you talking about the magnetic poles or the geographical poles, because the shift of the magnetic poles is quite different from the precession of the geographical poles that I think you meant here.


What is your source? The magnetic poles are periodically reversed, but the period is quite big - 500 000 years.


And why is that?


The Barnard planet is a star. It is a red dwarf, relatively cool compared to the Sun and very dim. You are right that it is aproaching the Sun (I checked online and they estimate speed of 87 miles per second). But it cannot reach the Solar system that fast as Nostradamus claimed. The star will reach a minimum distance of less then 4 light years in about 8,000 years so this is a long long time.

So... I completely disagree with you that the Barnard star will cause the global catastrophe.

One needs to know and study Esoteric Astrology in order to understand the prophecies of Nostradamus.

Nostradamus connects the year 1999 with the equinox of autumn that occurs always in the month of September or (Seventh month). The transition of the dark forces into the light forces is celebrated on October the 31st (the evening before all hallows) and it is exactly 40 days after the 21st of September. Therefore, by applying the law of analogies it is stated that from the eclipse of September 1999 until the year 2040 there will be 40 years. This coincides with the Katun 13 of the Mayans that starts in the year 2040. Katun 13 is the beginning of destruction according with the Mayans' astrology.




The terrifying disturbance of the orbit and motion of our planet Earth is scientifically justified by the great seer, Nostradamus, through the approach of another star that for seven days will appear to be like another sun.

XLI.
"The great star will burn for seven days,
The cloud will cause two suns to appear:
The big mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff will change country"

St. John’s Revelation: 8: 10-11 cites the above star, calling it “wormwood” (bitterness).

"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

And the name of the star is called Wormwood:"

Moreover, Nostradamus, in a famous letter addressed to Henry II, says:

“When the sun will be totally eclipsed, a new, colossal celestial body will be seen in the sky right in the day (by the astronomers), but the astrologers (he alludes to the “famous” present and future astronomers) will interpret the effects of this body, in another manner” (in a very modern way). As a result of this wrong interpretation, no one will gather supplies for the coming penuries (referring to the great catastrophe).

Nostradamus, physician, astrologer and illuminated clairvoyant, adds, to his predictions, the matter of the revolution of the axis of the earth, but he does not indicate an exact or proper date when this will happen. He links it, nevertheless, to the double eclipse that took place in the year 1999.

And oh yes! you are not the only one who desagree with this prediction, all of the present scientists of astronomy are in agreement with you.

But I am with Nostradamus and the Mayans because they are clairvoyant sages and they could see beyond the limitations of our present astrologers.

(Hercolubus or the Barnard Star belongs to the Solar System Tylar that also travels around in the Milky Way.)

(Both Solar Systems encounter each other in the outer space every sideral year, every 26000 years of the earth.)


Barnard's Star and its System is moving towards earth and the Earth and its System is also moving towards Barnard. Do you now understand the situation?

Omg, you're using Nostradamus?

There are many Omg ignoramuses who use (interpret) Nostradamus!

Nature and the cosmos will show who were the ones who used him and who were the ones who did not!

Right, well nobody can see into the future since the future is an endless spiderweb of dependant variables that may change with every single breath that we might take. So as a consequence there is no real way of being able to predict the future!

Another matter will be that humanity will NEVER extinguish itself out. All these apocalyptic visions of all life perishing are fruitless lies perpertrated by fear-mongerers. If there is an asteroid we'll survive it, if there is a nuclear war.... we'll survive it, if the world is flooded we'll survive it and finally by the time our son goes NOVA we will not be anywhere near this planet (by default..... we'll survive it). Hummanity will NEVER die, we are just to ingenious and have to much willpower to allow such a situation to occur.

I still don't get the relation between the Barnard star and the "Wormwood star". But I am positive that in the next 10 000 years Barnard star is not of any threat to us.


Fair enough, everybody is free to believe in whatever he likes to. But I have a problem believing in facts that are stated wrong. I cannot interpret Nostradamus, but I personally observed the total Solar eclipse in 1999. By the way it was in August, not in September. And like I said in my previous post I cannot accept the idea that the Barnard star will cause the magnetic poles of our planet to "revolve". Not for the next few millennia.
And don't get me wrong, I don't want to approach this topic with dry scientific facts and claim that science explains everything, no it does not and I know that because I am in the science field for almost 10 years. I know that science cannot prove everything that people see or experience on this planet and this is the reason why I am a member of this forum. But what are you saying does not make too much sense to me. Prove me wrong and make it simple. You will have a success convincing me if you back up your theories with some references and facts. I consider myself as an open minded person and I respect other's people theories if they are presented well and make sense to me. So far you provided only scattered pieces of information - and half of them are completely wrong.

VOX wrote:


Antares Wrote:



Well, by emulating Galileo Galilei we could say:

"My dear Nostradamus, what would you say of the learned ignoramuses here, who, stuffed with their subjective scientific theories and dogmas, have steadfastly refused to cast a glance into the copper vessel? What shall we make of this? Shall we laugh, or shall we cry?"

OK, I was called "ignoramus" I see that our discussion is going nowhere. You believe in what you believe and I believe in what I believe. I dont see any point of continuing the discussion.

“Matter is that thing within which the changes which are called movements are carried out. And movements are those changes which are carried out within the Matter. This is the identity of the unknown, X=Y, Y=X. This is total ignorance, a vicious circle, an absurdity.

An opinion is the emission of a concept out of fear that another concept might be the truth, and this indicates ignorance.



Socrates: "But why, my dear Crito, should we care about the opinion of the many? Good men, and they are the only persons who are worth considering, will think of these things truly as they happened.

"Be it known unto you, my dear Crito, that speaking in an improper manner is not only committing a fault in what is said, but also a type of damage which is caused to the souls"

My god Loge!! I am speachless. Your posts boggle my mind, not because I believe you, but because you are just a mouth-piece. You reply to questions with often irrelevent quotations from others who actually did some thinking and had some knowledge.

Also, you claim that modern scientists do not accept many of the ideas that you plagerize here, but you are wrong. Many would agree with the astronomical information, but not the interpretation of it.

You are a zealot, and until you start voicing your own opinions and get off your high horse, most people here will be turned off. I certainly am.

DAMN EARTH HATER! Why dont all of you do some research before spraying all that facts out! It isnt like this will happen in a hour, day, week, or even few years! Next time do some research before you post! Or just kill yourself off if you hate life so much.

an opinion is the emission of a concept out of fear that another concept might be the truth, and this indicates ignorance???????????????
whaaaaaa?????
by your own words, and i'm guessing you got this quote off of your cell wall, everything you've said here is your concept created out of your fear of the end of the earth, and indicates your ignorance.

there's another thread where you can go to leave quotes that have no relevance to one another, try that.

....and finally, so i should cash in my rrsp's?

whaaaaaa?????

This is going nowhere rather quickly. What started out with some potential has turned into a long winded, and pointless cut and paste battle of bandwidth usage.

Unless someone can find a point to all of this...material and post on topic, this thread is doomed and will come to an end long before humanity does.

This is an interesting thread, unfortunately I have to agree that Loge is longwinded with his cut and paste. Having been educated as a Geologist, the ring of fire has been there for quite a long time and will be there for quite a while longer. The magnetic poles have reversed on a somewhat regular basis, but that time frame is in the tens to hundreds of thousands of years. If you want a real end of humanity scenario, look into the "peak oil" theory. It has to do with the persception of running out of oil. Considering that our current culture is completely dependant on hydrocarbons to provide just about aspect of our lives, (i.e. plastics, pesticides, automobiles, etc..)even the perception of an end to the oil will cause world wide panic. Just my two cents, for what its worth.

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FInally someone with proper educate prove something wrong! Keep up good job Mgaw!

@ jeceris

I can't believe this thread is still open

o..k....never ever heard of that idea....but its interesting....i don't totally get it eaither but i will just leave it at that

I think humans really ARE the downfall of Earth. We've just wrecked it and only now realized the consequences. But if we are gonna die, no one can stop it, so why worry about it?

Yeah, I just ended reading a story book called "Prophets of Doom". It was about many many predictions about the end of the world. When it boils down to it, we've got little to worry about! Hell, a lot of the people who were predicting the end were the same ones who believed this world is only 6000 years old. Anyway, I think that Humanity won't end, but that they'll become a plague to the universe. Much like the zerg are in the game Starcraft. We'll probably end up destroying the planet, then the moon, then mars, then start marauding all planets- becoming what we ourselves fear from any aliens that we perceive to be out there.

Don't you read books?
Earth be killed, humans will be destroyed!

May the Coyote have mercy on us all.

Everybody going to die once upon a time.
Its hopless... utterly, utterly hopless!

No, we have accommodated the earth to satisfy our needs. We are far from the downfall or the plague of the earth, we are more suited to be protectorates of earth from any envading force which might seek to disrupt what we have achieved i.e. criminals, terrorist, aliens...

The quote from the head of this messege string:

"The explosion in the bottom of the seas will be frightful. The Sun will become as black as a sackcloth of hair, and the Moon will become as red as blood due to the reflection of the fire (magma) that will surface upon the face of the earth."

The sun becoming as black as sckcloth and hair, and the moon becoming blood red....I recognize this quote from the Biblical book of Revelations.

Was it put there purposely, deliberately, coicedentally, or what?

Seems strange to me.

If anyone has a Bible, they can look it up. I forget the exact verse, but it's in Revelations.

It's erie to me, because I just read that verse yesterday.

Questions comments?

By LELY T. DJUHARI
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - The world's most powerful earthquake in 40 years triggered massive tidal waves that slammed into villages and seaside resorts across southern and southeast Asia on Sunday, killing more than 7,000 people in six countries.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp...=20041226XGA103

Loge, if I understood correctly, are you implying that the world is approaching its end because of an earthquake and some tsunamis that followed? And before anybody rushes to shout "The 5th biggest earthquake in a century" or anything like this, I'll say again: Are you implying that the end is upon us because of a perfectly natural...natural phenomenon?

Naturally!

Lodge, you make me smile.

Asterix: People say the end is near because of many things:

1. Talk of global warming.
2. Talk of global heating.
3. Bush.
4. Kerry.
5. Osama bin Laden.
5. Too many destructive storms.
6. Lack of destructive storms.
7. Because they interpret something someone said to apply to this time frame.
8. Because they had a dream.
9. Because they thought they had a dream.
10. Because they dreamt that they had a dream where they recalled a dream...

blah blah blah

You left out number 11.

They had a vision in which a ghost told them they had a dream where they recalled a vision in which global warming caused them to have a dream where they recalled haveing a dream about a vison which showed them a person haveing a dream about a vison where a dog said that they were dreaming of a dream with a vison in it, and the vison had another dream where... *go to beggening of paragraph*