A couple of years ago I would have said that this idea was a load of rubbish but since then I've had many rethinks. This comes mainly from the evidence for past visitation by alien beings. Such as the runway in peru I think cave paintings of spacemen and the recurring element of gods coming down from the heavens. Also the fact that pyramids have been built by many different ancient cultures suggests a common link. Also from what I have heard draw a line from a point on all the pyramids in egypt anyway they will eventually meet at a certain point in the sky. Also if you've read my great pyramid topic if what I think I see is real it could be prove positive also it's boosted as it is in a tunnel pointing towards the sky the route of the gods. Okay so not the most convincing argument but still what do you think.

Please don't merge with the great pyramid

If you think humans came from the heavens then yes.
What about the abilities of humans do you have doubts on?
Look if humans can build the machine you are in front of, why can't they also build pyramids?

I haven't researched this topic much at all but the idea that many other ancient civilizations built pyramids kinda stuck me odd. Mostly because design in structures through most of history changed a great deal from place to place. Just wondering if someone that is knows a great deal about ancient structures could maybe explain if this is some what out of sync with everything else. Is it a bit strange that so many other places had this same stucture or is it that pyramids are a simple structure that many cultures could have come across because of it's basic design.

Think about this. If you give 20 children 100 pieces of blocks each (or other such items). One of them will stack them up in pyramid shape, even if none had ever seen a pyramid or knew anything about shapes.

Now if you think about how back when tribes were coming together and ruled by one person. The children of these rulers must have been extremely spoiled. Once they became rulers, they could command their people to build anything they wanted. If you were an entrepreneurial person, this could be could have been someones ticket to fame. Image convincing the ruler that he deserves a huge house. The next guy comes around and points to the house and says 'naw what our ruler needs is a monument, and I know how to build a...' It would just snow ball until you get pyramids, hanging gardens, giant statues, and even an empire state building.

Hey its been simplified but logically it makes sense. Think about it.

yea, I was taking that into consideration I just want to know if other places shared other types of structures as widely as the pyramid.

First - from what I have studied and learned, most archaeologists quote that there was only one time in one place where great Pyramids were built - The Old Kingdom of Egypt. The slaves were the ones who built the Pyramids - specified at one time. From about 2300 B.C. - 1800 B.C. until the kingdom declined and was raised again to the Middle Kingdom. During that time period, Old Kingdom, also known as the Pyramid Age - that has, said by many experienced specialists, to be the only time where Pyramids existed to be built.
Second - Pyramids were not built to match the sky or anything with that. The only meaning it had, or most likely believed, was to give the Pharaos and important people a resting place, or tomb. They would use this for their afterlife bringing their items they have used in their past life. That is why they were built. Not for any odd coincidences. And anyways, I'll see if I could post the picture - there was a debate against this idea "What purpose did the Pyramids Serve?". It shows that theory - all Pyramids are lined up to one point of the sky and has been proven, from what I know, to be a fake. A sattelite image proves it, some pyramid ends even angle off! And the slaves thought they were actually perfect on building them!

Lets see this image then and do you mean from the tops of the pyramids because I never said from any particular point.

Slaves built the pyramids. YOu would be surprised how creative people can be when being whipped to death to complete in "impossible" task

Well, the ends of the Pyramid, from what I'm talking about, is not lined up. The site wont let me paste the picture up but I'll keep trying different resources. And also, many people also believe that the slaves - who were mistreated and lacked food, water, and needs, couldn't have the power to drag all these bricks. So most people think they were helped, or just built by______, who knows? Some giants of the past? So far, its been proven that slaves have built these pryamids.

I would just like to inform you that the people who built the pyramids were actually volunters. Also there were pyrimids built in the Maya civilization of Mexico and in places in India. There were also multiple pyramids built before a succesfull one. Most of them collapsed shortly after being built. After a short period of time Pyramids were abandoned becaused they attracted grave robbers and people were then burried in hidden caves.

Shadow, nearly all pyramids built were built by slaves, not be volunteers, pyramids have been built by virtually nearly every civilisation, there are step pyramids built by the aztecs, pyramids built by the ancient egyptians , natural ones taht are just tunneled out hills by the chinese and so many more.
They built pyramids because the only tall building that they could build with the materials they had was a pyramid, if the tried to build a tower that went just staright up with stone blocks it would collapse.
They were built by humans, we have the ability to do anything and this is just another example of our brilliance and uniqueness!

Many megaliths around the around including non-pyramids were all built at different times. Even so some of their alignments do point to celestial calculations. The interesting fact is that many of them, regardless of their time of construction, are aligned to the sky that existed in 10,500 BCE. All over the world the anicent builders had some shared memory of some great even that occured in 10,500 BCE. The pyramids in Egypt are alligned to the constellation of Orion as it was during that year.

Also interesting is man today with all their technology could not build any of these megaliths if they tried to reconstruct them today. There is much science and lost technology uses to construct them. This could only mean that the ancient civilizations that built these were not as unsophisticated as we had previously believed or we had help from other intelligent life forms. If they were built merely by man it would prove a global culture existed back then, similiar to the one recently developed during the past few centuries.

Hi i'm new here. Nice topic will put my thoughts in soon.

I agree with Imaginer he does have a good point. Although I don't know a whole lot on this subject I have heard various things. The pyramids in ancient egypt did point to certian celestial bodys because the ancient egyptians believed it would help guide them to the "heavens" or outerspace depending on how you look at it. With how much knowledge they had on the stars and space it makes you wonder if it's because they knew something was out there. That possibly some form of life existed, that we now have became ignorant about. It seems that throughout ancient times the people knew quite a bit about space, it seems almost as if they were fascinated by it. Maybe we should look more to the skies for answers, it seems as if the ancient did so.

AztecInca, that's the point I'm trying to prove, thank you. Listen in textbooks, Egyptian books, and research worldwide all over the internet, these facts - Slaves built the Pyramids, are factly proven true. They as in archaeologists and Egyptian Heiroglyphic translators have translated heiroglypics on stones, books, (Book of Dead), and results have said that (don't know the specific quotes) but it desribed their own peasent slaves and farmers were the ones who followed the Pharaoh's orders to build Pyramids for the final resting places as tombs.

Mysteryman, check your history books. It's been proven for approximately 10 years that the people who help build the pyramids of Egypt were volunteers. Some of the main contributers are actually burried in sacred burial sites with descriptions of there sacrafices and there roles in the pyramids in sites near the pyramids.

hi im new and found this disscussion really interesting, i noticd no one has mentioned the book chariot of the gods by eric von daniken, his theory was that the pyramids where build by gods from out of space, he relates alot to the cave drawings ppl have mentioned and ancient tx, other scources of information also scratched the surface that atlantis was built by oter world beings and that they destroyed it when they left this is just here say, but if the pyramids were built or at least designed by these ppl it could be that proof lyes underneath the spinx' paws along with the lost scrolls of atlantis????
any one agree? these are just bits of information and theorys i've heard over the years so yes it could well be a possibility they were designed by these 'gods' or simply by ambitious pharohs. which ever way im interested in both theorys

Hi Jenna, welcome to the forum . Erich Von Daniken's books are generally considered by most researchers to be inaccurate and unworthy of further notice. Daniken himself has in the past failed to give any kind of data, proof, or even credible suggestion, to back his words. His theories are interesting out of imagination point of view, someone would say romantic, but nevertheless a fruit of fictional imagination.

As for whether the workers were volunteers or slaves, the truth is...both. In the sense that the drafting of the workers was so that an officer with armed escort would pass from house to house and say that "we need workers for the pharao's pyramid. Who will come?" (while at the same time the guards would swinging their swords).

You know, much like the situation in Saddam-time Iraqi elections, where there were 2 boxes, one "yes" and other "no", and if you wanted Saddam to continue being the president you'd have to throw your vote in that box; if you didn't, you'd have to throw it in the "no".
All that while in the room there were guards with guns, looking reaaaally angry

Honestly, over some past time, not to be rude, but looking through unsolved mystery books, and hours and hours of research, it is said that these Pyramids are built by their own slaves.

Are there any structural or buildings which is pyramid-like were being built in this modern day? Would anyone give their names

The Excalibur Casino, in Las Vegas, is truly the most astounding example of a pyramid structure. It has a fantastic light beam shooting straight up from the tip. It is also, for those who insist that we could never do what the Ancient Egyptiansdid, far more accurate than the Great pyramid in terms of alignment and angle.

Thats true, it is in Las Vegas, but it is called the Luxor Hotel & Casino. It is made entirely of glass.








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Luxor...Geez, what was I thinking?

My Bad.

great pic flyguy!

I stand with what the scientist found in the 90's, the village of builders, right next to the pyramids there's a small village covered in sand where they found tombs were the "occupent" had there back bones grinded by years of work and weavy lifting...poor guys.

Two words, " Simple Machines "

what humains? we're pretty complex, but if your saying as we are able to do stuff simply, then yes.

There is a modern pyramid in Memphis, I don't know the name.

I heard within the last year or two that they had slaves as well as non-slaves building the pyramids. From what I understand the non-slaves figured everything out and then told the slaves where to position the rocks.

It's hard to gauge how they built the pyramids. another wierd thing about them is that they are built to match to coordinates of the stars. How in the world they did that, I have no clue. And you have to imagine them building it back when modern technology was non existant. I know the Ancient Egyptians were smart, but they probably had some help

Oh they had lots of help, something like thoudsands of slaves worth of help.
Dude nothing about the ancient monuments is beyond human comprehension. It is the limitations that you set in your own mind that makes those accomplishment seem out of this world.

And the whole "built to match the coordinates of the stars" thing is incredibly over-rated.

Found this article...Interesting even though its against my theory -

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/070391.html

PBS has a great site on the pyramids. This link is specific to the section on who built the pyramids.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html

Isn't the whole built by slaves thing a myth perpetrated by movies? Was there ever any physical evidence to support the built by slaves theory?

Mel: IIRC, there was a drawing in one of the pyramids that showed many many people tragging a stone. The people might not have been slaves... maybe they were kind of "drafted" for service? A certain number each year had to help out with the construction, and after that year was over, a new batch was picked up?

Some points on building things.
1. To make a straight line;
Tie a string to the top of a pole.
Tie a weight to the other end of the string.
Hold pole at point where you want to start the line (make sure end with string is on top).
When weight is against pole you are holding pole straight up (level).
If you do this early in morning you get a long straight shadow that marks a line.
So you do this twice and get to parallel lines and can form a rectangle or square.
2. To make a square piece of land level and flat
Dig a hole at each corner of the square.
Connect holes with small ditches.
File holes with water.
When water level flows through all ditches and connects all the holes you mark the water levels.
Remove rest of dirt from land to level of water.
Now that you have a flat depression on mark land, fill with water again.
Scrape surface of land to create mud until entire surface area is filled with thin mud.
Water will create flat level surface after drying.
3. Now build pyramid and tip will point straight up into sky.
4. If you study the skies at night you can find location where certain stars are directly over you.

See there is no need for 'great/advance/super natural/alien' technology to create the base that is aligned with 'heavenly' bodies.
One thing that people forget the Egyptians knew how to make a form of concrete that was also used by the Romans to build. They did not have to actually carve and move every single stone required. They just had to move the ones on the outside.
Sand does not create a great amount of fiction and can easily be smoothed out to slide thing on it. Rollers are not required for moving heavy stones on sand (especially if the stone is smooth.) You could use wood planks.

We all seem to be stuck on certain misconception about the building of the pyramids. There has really been a lot of research done on how things could have been done. Some theories have been shown wrong, but others are very probable.

Now about the 'slaves vs non-slaves' discussion, remember that not all cultures regarded the term slave in the same context as we do. To people of ancient times servants were not always considered slaves but they were none the less not free and had to work for no pay. Then you have those that were not even considered to be people. If the conquered a certain group of people, these people could have been forced to work on the pyramids in exchange for staying alive. They would not be considered full slave. It's really a matter of perspective.

I am sure some pyramids were human attempts at mimicking the GP....

Whoever built the GP did extensive research on where to place it so that it would not be swallowed up by the Earth.
This leads me to believe the engineers were of an ET origin.

The Egyptians who labored probably were of 'middle class' and were compensated pretty well for their work. There is a certain "pride' factor involved that probably would not exist among 'slaves' ....

One theory on pyramids is that they worked as a sort of power plant when erected correctly... Free energy ..... All the more reason for them to remain a mystery in a 21st Century capitalistic environment ...


"Look if humans can build the machine you are in front of, why can't they also build pyramids? "

The humans who built the machine I am infront of cannot build a pyramid ....
you tell me why ,,, heh
Besides, Whether humans were capable of building a pyramid is not the issue...
Did humans build them? This is the issue at hand...

I would love to see a demonstration of that... lol

Sounds good in theory, til the heavy object sinks into the sand ...

Do you know how snow shoes work? It's the same principle.

The humans that develop the technology of today could most definitely built a pyramid. It will not happen simply because we have not need for one. Few people would actually invest money in its construction. Mostly the people that would do the physical work would rather play ps2, surf net, or are couch potatoes.

Why would the heavy objects sink into the sand?! By your logic, this means that the pyramids would sink too.

The pyramids weren't built on sand. They would constructed on a limestone bedrock.

This is basic knowledge. You guys need to study the pyramids instead of adhering to anything you find dramatic.

Geez, Pete..... In all fairness to those of us who have posted here only one person stated that the pyramids were built on sand.

While you guys are wasting time discussing all of these hypothetical ideas (rollers, etc), you're completely ignoring what the evidence tells us. They used sleds. The Egyptians themselves tell us they used sleds.









Sorry if I sound rude, but a little research goes a long way. A LOT of nonsense being spouted here.

You know, facts are just going to confuse the nonsense being spouted.

Seems to me that you never read Van Dieniken...

If it's so easy to make pyramids with simples sleds and such why hasn't anybody successfully built one within the last several thousand years?

And I mean a REAL pyramid made of solid granite blocks, not just glass and steel beams.

If I were a billionaire like Bill Gates or somebody I would go out of my way to make such an edifice so people would remember me thousands of years from now.

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Excellent Article [Havard Mag], Chap!! Have book marked it for future reference.
But regardless of what opinions may rage - there is still dispute as to the actual age of both the Sphynx and the Pyramid. Why the subject ever came up in the first place remains moot. Only that we need to try to be objective for any NEW things that arrise - and NOT TRY TO COVER it up because it falls ... OUT OF PLACE. Strictly my opinion ONLY! A.R.?
For instance: http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/atlantiscuba.htm
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Here is a Follow-up article (not related but significant):
http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html

Yonaguni is another (historically unrecorded) underwater site - located near Okinawa (where I was stationed from 1970 - 1974 - US Navy). Likewise with more ruins found near Cuba (as mentioned in my previous).
Russian Nuclear subs (ours as well) have sonar mapped ruins off the Azores and some places along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

The mysterious "Tongue of the Ocean" in the bahamas [located near the infamous Bermuda Triangle] can be seen from space:
http://www.tamug.edu/cavebiology/Bahamas/s...litephotos.html
The UNUSUAL underwater curvature seems to REVERSE like some giant hole.
This area is noted for strange deviations of navigational equipment - especially a compass.
Seems we need to learn MORE about our own world - AND its history.
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Is anyone really prepared to spend many years, and lots of money trying to re-created an acient pyramid? Even if you had as much money as Bill Gates, there would be no reason to build it. Finding uses, and land to build such a structure would be hard to come by. Its not like we will be building the pyramids for the purposes the Egyptians did.

The fact is that nobody has even been able to build one even 1/4 the size of the Great Pyramid, that has to say something about using these simple tools to build one.

Has anyone even tried to reproduce a pyramid?

The Japanese tried to reproduce one about 20 years ago I believe, and I mean it was a very tiny one and they failed miserably, they weren't even able to get the four sides to align to a point at the top. If I could provide a link I would. I'll look for one.