When I see religion I think of so many things that others may never wonder about. Christianity is a very dominant religion so therefore it is seen as the true path. Now why would this be the dominant religion??? It's odd seeing as how it is the dominant religion and also the dominant power across the world. Actually that isn't odd at all in the beginning travels to the new world you had numerous accounts of European dominance pushing Christianity ontp natives of this land. When I say push I mean converting or failor to convert ends in death. This isn't a shot at the moral goodness of Christians today nor the Christians of then. It's a simple way of saying this religion flourished because the people who believe in it were the most powerful. It isn't the other way around if anyone wants to say that. Their God did not make them more powerful if it did that would go against a societies free will. As we know God isn't suppose to be able to do that. Now if Christians happened not to be the most powerful culture then the tables would have been turned and they would have been the religions struck down like many of the native american religions. The process in which cultures gain power has mostly to do with their enviroment and how easily it is for them to grow as a nation not which God they believed in. Some people might say "but Christianity sets a good moral and work ethic into place and that is what causes those nations to be stronger" yes, in some cases this is true but the odd thing about that is that same moral and work ethic could be set in place without the thought of a God at all. I am proof of that. Our nation was based on the fact that religion had no part in government and we set forth laws that were seperate from religion and the United States has done very well for itself. Now for why I couldn't believe in any religion is simple not all of them could ever be right. And in most cases each one believes they are the only correct answer. Don't believe you are above anyone else it's a long fall. This is just a very simpe look into how I believe about religion it skims about 5% of my thoughts dealing with thist matter. You are seeing the thoughts of a dumbass

That stuck out at me... We're free from religious persecution, nobody can tell us what we can and cannot worship, not that religion has no place in govt. Just can't force it on others, either way, can't tell people they can't pray in a park or something. Can't tell people they must renounce their religion and all become athiest. Can't even tell people they can't teach religion in schools in my opinion.

I can kinda see where you're coming from with the rest... kinda.

Interseting topic and good thinking. I have couple of points that I do like to ponder bit more. You said that laws and government has nothing to do with christianity, or any other religion. In a way you are right, but what we should remember, is that laws are set by ppl, and if those ppl had happened to be christians their moral and ethnic rules would come directly from there. Therefore the christian ideology has passed into laws, even if it's not named there specifically.
Believing into religion.. sounds strange, when reliogions are about believeing into something else, like god, or gods. I do think that believing into religion is not necessary, but believing into something exists in human nature. For some it's universe, nature, science, for some it's undefined, but putting your faith into something is quite much build into human behaviour. But like I said, it doesn't have to be a religion.

I was wondering if someone would point out that view dealing with Christian thinkers developing our nation. I also wonder why more believers in religion aren't debating my points??? I would like to see what a Christian believer thinks about this. I wonder though if they ignore post which make perfectly good sense.

TE, you are not a dumbass.....what you have said is just what I have spend weeks trying to point out to the Xian members of our forum! Independent1, you might notice that a self-avowed dumbass can figure out my point and see the truth!

Furthermore Beowolf may agree with me i'm not sure. From my post you would think instantly that i'm an atheist although that isn't how I view myself. I see my self as someone that doesn't believe in anything not someone that believes in not believing in God. Their is a difference there if you can't see it then you need to open your mind a fraction more. As far as me being a dumbass i'll assure you I am as we all are. Maybe I am a bit more than the rest of you.

You were wondering why not more ppl debating your points. It does surprise me too, knowing how things sometimes go in this forum, but I take it as a sign of maturity, that ppl understand, that this is your view-point and personal opinion, and that's why you are the expert about it. In these kind of questions there isn't right or wrong, there is just opinions, and none of them is more "correct" or "wrong" than another one.

Christianity is the most dominate religion? Hardly. It's the religion that will most likely get yourself killed if you say you're a christian anywhere other than America or Europe. Christianity is a religion where those who profess to be Christians are afraid to admit so amongst their friends and families and the liberal left due to harsh reactions and people thinking you are stupid and have no intellectual substance at all. I've been called many things on this site because of my positions on these views. At the time of Jesus' death and afterwards. Christians were afraid to profess they were indeed followers of Christ and had to draw fish in the sand to let each other know who they were. The Romans were particulary brutal to those who follow Christ. Today in schools you can't read a bible in your spare time or pray over your food before you eat without getting into trouble, but any other religious activiety is okay to do. Everyone is always quick to jump to the Inquisition where they wrongly accuse Christians of burning witches and such, but they don't blame the terrorists who now kill Westerners and attack Israel almost on a daily basis because of their beliefs. Maybe nobody wants to admit that Christians are persecuted and have been since Jesus died on that cross. You think there are too many religions and don't know which one to pick? No other religious book contains accurate historical evidence, not even the Koran, than the bible. No other bible has ever professed divine authority by writing prophecy and having every single prophecy except for one (one that is to happen in the future) come true, prophecies which aren't vague. No other religious book has good, honest life lessons and teach of peace instead of hate than the bible. Why is the most hated religion in the world Christianity? Does it have anything to do with what Jesus himself said? "The world hates me and they will also hate you" (emphasis provided).

Isn't it also funny that nations who build their morals upon Christianity have been blessed? Look at the United States. We began our country following Christian values and became the richest, most powerful country in the world. Who would've ever thought we would've defeated Britian to obtain our freedom? We did. We rose to greatness and now since America has turned it's back on God, we are turning into a slum nation full of evil and violence. It's happened to every other country in history.

Saucy, when someone ask a question such as the one i stated they don't want to hear your thoughts about other topics, they want you to directly address the one they ask. Although I didn't truly ask many questions and you didn't truly understand what i said. Christianity again wasn't the only religion in the United States many of the minds which created our laws and governmental structure weren't Christians and definently didn't go on blind faith as many enlightened souls i meet do.

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Who said this ?? Thomas Jefferson
Basically the visionary behind our governments policies. As for the Bible being correct about certain things or inncorrect I have to question that until the day I die. I have many questions in which the bible can't answer. I also know of ways to completely disprove some of the bibles stories. If you have a strong faith though don't worry it will remain in tact because blind men do not become fearful as a monster walks into their vision. Again, I have said this before you have but scratched the surface of my beliefs. I can no longer tell of my intelligence because cuss words are not aloud on this forum. So, I shall now be your resident moron

Have you been anywhere other than America or Europe? If so, where?




How much of the bible can be proven? (Hard facts here, not faith or belief)

NOT AGAIN!!!!!!

I agree Next2, sure to be locked down soon!

I do not agree with most religions.

Chauncy


I would disagree, if you look at this article you can see how many Christians there in one small nation.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apa...05&slug=Liberia

I read somewhere in another topic or maybe this topic, I can't remember. Someone claimed that atheists have killed more people than Christians, and provided no evidence whatsoever. All I have to say to that is, read your history and the article above. Sure it's wrong they do it in the name of God. But they do it, and they give themselves and other members a bad name. If anything defend your God, but defending Xinaity is becoming impossible with these events.

Check your records, your numbers are much higher than you think. The "free thinkers" are the underdog's, say anything bad about God, in a public place and watch how many people give you dirty looks and stop smiling at you. I know, it's happened to me.

Well it feels good to be back in the forums. Adding my useless 2 cents.

well,well,well......


From the moment man opens his eyes to this world a great order surrounds him. He needs oxygen to survive. It is interesting that the atmosphere of the planet on which he lives provides more than just the adequate amount of oxygen he needs. This way, he breathes without difficulty. For the existence of life on this planet, the existence of a source of heat is essential. In response to this need, the sun is located just at the right distance to emit just the exact amount of heat and energy man needs. Man needs nourishment to survive. Every corner of the world abounds in astonishingly diversified provisions. Likewise, man needs water. Surprisingly, three-fourths of the planet is covered with water. Man needs shelter, and in this world, there is land on which it is suitable to build and all sorts of materials to make shelters.

These are only a few among billions of details making life possible on earth. In brief, man lives on a planet perfectly designed for his survival. This is certainly a planet "created for human beings".

and please click here to know more.....

Please...... We adapted to this planet, it didn't adapt to us. There is nothing perfect about it.

Previously we didn't think life could survive in extreme temperatures, yet we've found microbes in some of the coldest places on earth and hottest for that fact.

Once we find life on other planets, this whole "earth is perfect" thing, will be put to rest.

Thanks for playing...

I apologize, I am not trying to get this subject locked. I asked the wrong question . I should have rephrased and asked which and how the stories could be disproved. Trust me, when it comes to belief or faith, I do not question it. That is not my right. To each his/her own . So I will ask again.

Typhlotic-Envisage, which stories can be disproved and how? (Hard facts, not belief or faith)

Once again, I apologize for the error.

I would like to know also which stories of the bible can be disproven. If someone where to stumble upon the kind of knowledge you lock in your powerful brain, either you will be the end of Christianity or the Vatican will kill you to keep you quiet. Also, please don't give any answers such as, "Well, people can't walk on water so that was false".

Well if you wont accept any answers like that, then you wont accept other answer such as the earth not being created 6000 years ago, etc. and the bible then becomes infalsifiable, and is pretty much equal to a any conspiracy theory.

Stellar, since Jesus walked on water, well, it is hard to prove/disprove if he could do it. He had divine powers from God (if you believe that) that would enable him to do that (according to those who believe in him).

The whole idea of proving/disproving things in the bible is a pointless endeavor. People who want to believe the bible word for word believe that before the flood, outer space was filled with water (so that Genesis 1:6 can be true) and will not accept differently. People who want to believe in the messages of the bible, such as that God created the world (without trying to discern how) believe that evolution was a part of God's work, and will not accept differently. People who don't believe in the Bible accept that we are just a series of fluke cosmic accidents and statistical improbabilities, or that some other God created the world, and will not accept differently.

As long as there is blind faith Christianity will not end. By they way I wouldn't say things like the "Vatican will kill you"... because you're just re-inforcing the violent behavior some "hardcore" believers encourage to defend their faith.

Although Independent is correct, in saying this is pointless. However I will leave you with one last tidbit.

The story of Noah and the flood is a fairy tale. Just by this fact alone. He had to collect 2 of every species, there are over 800,000 species of INSECTS alone. Can you imagine how much time it would take to round up that many species of just insects alone. Last time I checked, they didn't have the science to determine a male and female of every insect without using a Microscope.

So in the end, the only way to believe this, is that "GOD" works in mysterious ways, blah blah blah..... Point is, this story is about as credible as "Alice in Wonderland" To believe this story as fact requires BLIND FAITH. Once you admit this, we can all move along.

This is something i copied and paste from a post i created earlier in the acient history forum. So, dismiss the beginning up until the actually event is questioned.

This in no way deals with the website posted by the original creater of this thread. I may be considered an idiot for not giving it enough time or effort to read through this man's opinion.........oh well, i don't mind that at all. My beliefs on many of the Biblical stories seem so unbased that it makes sense someone from this time period would have written them. One of my favorites is the story of the great flood which to me it's very clear that it is impossible without the helping hand of God. We have a ship created to carry and shelter atleast 2 animals from each species on the planet. This ship would have to be enormous seeing as how there are roughly 30-50 million different species of animals on the planet. To further look into the animal aspect of the equation any animals that cannot live under water would have been killed during the flood. Now we know for fact that mammals were alive during this time in the Americas that did not exist in the other half of the world. The world which the creators of this story knew. Also after the ship was beach on land their would be an odd group of species living in this area. I do not know this story perfectly which is probably a good thing or as a child I would have believed it. I know the basis so maybe u can help me did they mention that the animals returned to their native places and that could explain animals being in the new world before and after the flood. Ahh....but seeing as how these animals would be destroyed by water in the first place and there is not a land bridge to get them back to the Americas God had to have helped them. I think you can see my thoughts about that aspect. Now for the rain itself. If I am correct the flood covered the entire planet. To have done so the rain would have had to have raised above 29,028 seeing as how that is the height above sea level at which mount everest stands. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights. For this to have happened it would have had to rained .5039583333333333 feet per minute for 40 days straight. Now that might sound possible but it would have to had done this across the entire span of the earth at the same time for this amount of time in this quantity. Furthermore if any of you still think that is possible look at it this way with every inch the water rose the larger the space it had to feel would greaten. If you were filling a funnel the size of a house and at the small end of the funnel it was only 3 inches wide the more u filled it the more u would have to put in to raise it another level this is a simple way of looking at the earth. Again if God wanted this to happen he could have done it by believers rules. Here is another odd thing about the earth it doesn't just get rid of that much water as we know now the circulation of weather and water cycle takes water out and palces it back now anyone of any common sense will know all of this water would not have just dissappeared now at this time they didn't understand how rain and water cycle worked so placing this idea in a story wouldn't have been seen as incorrect. Now again if God wanted the water to leave then yes he could have done away with it. But ahh lol if God is the know all be all over everything and created all of this and knew in advance it was going to happen then why would he create a system of water cycle that would go against a flood he created out of no where why wouldn't he simply incorperate this into his grand plan. If you say this is a test of peoples faith then i ask you this why would he be testing his most intelligent people and in a way almost lying to them and possibley condemning them to hell lol i'm done

Wow, I hadn't read the full reply from the person before me sorry for repeating alot of what he said but what i said in the end is probably the most important because defying yourself is something you never want 2 do

Do you know where your explainations for miracles cease?
When you do not know how it was done.
So, if miracles were prooven scientifically, then God
would be prooven as well. But how can miracles be
explained scientifically? It cannot.
Hypothetical Scenario:

You are deaf.
I take a guitar and try to proove to you that there is sound.
But you are unable to hear the sound. I say to you,
"do you see the vibration on the string?.. that is caused by
sound." And you say, "No the vibration is in the string
itself." And I say, proove it. You say" I can't" WHY?
Because you are not able to sense it!
Therefore, miracles or God cannot be prooven or disprooven
because it is beyond our senses!

Although it has been stated that the ability to prove or disprove the contents of this subject is irrelevant, I would like to point out that he who made the statement should be well aware of it being put to question.

Yes, miracles might not be able to be proven/disproven according to the definition of the word, but that is why we are here in this forum.

Norman



You probably should of thought about this hypothetical situation a bit better. Let me prove it to you why. First of all, I know some deaf folks and they understand what sound is. But let me debunk your scenario.

Let's say I place a speaker, with some heavy bass playing. Now I place this speaker in front a glass table with a penny. As I turn up the volume, the cone vibrates, however something else begins to vibrate. THE PENNY. Now sure the person can see the cone vibrating, but how can he explain the penny vibrating. Is it a Miracle? a Magic Trick? No it's called SOUND WAVES. At this point the deaf person would understand. This is one among many examples I can give you on how to make a deaf person understand sound. One last thing, in order for some deaf folks, to understand how certain letters are pronounced, they place their hand on the teachers throat, to determine the VIBRATION or the "sound" the letter makes as it's spoken.

Miracles, are also in fairy tales. To believe these miracles requires BLIND FAITH.

Triniant - If a Miracle is talking about a fairy tale land or another planet. Than no, we cannot disprove Miracles. However when it talks about, our own planet and considering how well we know how things work around here. Than it's our job to investigate the Miracle, and see how some thing so great can happen on this earth. After all this is human nature.

wait just a minute..........I said the most important part of my statement was at the end did your read it???? My proof wasn't based on this that or other about science, the proof that it is impossible is in the fact that God's and the bibles rules fought against each other in that situation. If God knew he was going to have a flood then he would have understood that a scientific explanation for the possibility of the flood should be placed in his overall plan to create the universe including our world. But he didn't have this placed into his plan showing that the bible itself is flawed by going against Gods natural cycles and not explaining a possible way for this to happen. If you want something to think about we didn't make science God made science if you believe in God so him going against his own rules makes no sense. Unless he done this to test peoples faith in him as our ability to understand science grew. If he truly done that though it's the saddest thing I have ever heard because punishing the intelligent people because they want to figure things out is horrid. Now anyways if he did do this as a test he goes against his own rules in another way. He purposely deceived the people that believe in science by having a flood created out of no where and not explaining how it happens. He with held information from us, if we could ask him and he gave us the explanation from the bible he would be lying and we all know that doesn't go along with religion. I am not good at explaining things so give this much thought so you can completely grasp it. If he knows everything he knew I would go against this story. He would know that i go against this story because I have a curiosity to figure everything out. He would know that this curiosity is what shaped our world. This curiosity has saved our world and without it mankind wouldn't have ever lived through everything it has. curiosity isn't bad, it isn't evil, it won't make you go to hell. Why would our God the all knowing bring stories into our world that he knew I would be sitting here questioning? In turn sending me to hell for being curious if you believe in the Bible and it's meanings. I can't stress enough how important this statement is so i'll sum it up once more. God created an event that he knew would make me question it and didn't place an answer into his scientific world for me to find out. By doing this I am questioning him and no going by faith. We all know this will get you placed directly in hell without passing go. Why would God do this to me???? I am a good guy I help people whenever I can. I am not mean to anyone. I have an ability for abstract thought that could possibly help a lot of people in the future. But he sends me to hell for not believing in him because he didn't place possibility for this to happen through science.

"I grow tired of people not truly reading what is said. This in a way shows a lack of faith in your fellow man and this is disturbing. I am not a excellent writer but please don't let a lack of grammer keep you from trying" sorry Your Buddy the moron

A couple of notes on the Noah story, since that has come up. There are two accounts of the animals on the ark. One is 2 of each animal, but the other is 7 (or 7 pairs) of each "clean" animal and 2 (or 2 pairs) of each "unclean" animals. The list of Clean and unclean animals under jewish law are short, so that is a possible explanation for that part.

As for the flood, there is a lot of evidence of a regional flood occurring somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 BCE and 2500 BCE (I am not positive on the dates) so maybe world meant known world.

Just my thoughts on that matter.

Typhlotic-Envisage,

I understood very well the points you are trying to put across and yes there his something that his definitly wrong here....

my take on this his that I strongly believe that the bible was whriten by man. In their own words, with there own way of seing life. Even if the bible was teachings or words spoken directly from god, even if he did say exactly what happened in the beginning of time (flood etc...) Then we must consider that the person describing these events did not at that time had a comprehension of science like we do. Perhaps they just misunderstood completly what really hapenned. Sometimes when we have a difficulty to understand a concept it becomes often mystical. If there his truly a god that created all life, and if he did indeed help people whrite the bible, and if we keep in mind that even now we are far from understanding all life...then for me it his logical to assume that the intellectuel concept at that time could of been a bit too much for them to comprehend. And even could very well be for us now.

So keeping that in mind, for me I stick to the religion teachings of wisdom and leave life and science...to science. And what religion think hapened can only be trails of thinking and possibility's for science to study upon.

and no your are not a Moron if you are then I am too

Very nicely said ThePortal That pretty much sums up what I think about the bible.

To Portal:

Although that is a nice take on it. However you must realize, if God were to make it so that the Bible is the word of God. Then he should of known translation errors would happen. He could also see what was written down, and come back to the prophet and say. "No, please write it down exactly as I said", so that future generations will make sense of this. But this did not happen. I agree with you completely, it does teach some "good" moral values. Which were practiced before the bible was written. But to make a religion out of it, and preach it like it's fact word by word is where the problem comes in for me. Yes we have a long way to go to determine how we got here, but man! have we made some leaps and bounds.

There's always one question that I ask myself. Why did God (if he exists) reveal himself back then? Why not now? Could we have made it this far, without the knowledge of the Bible? I certainly think so, the Indians were doing just fine. If I were God, I would of waited a bit until man could of figured things out for himself a bit. Like a cat in a new home, exploring the place, let them figure out where things are. Then give them a little insight on this strange new world.

But I'm not GOD am I. I'm just another moron.

to X-Files Agent,

I agree with everything you said, and it his one of the many reasons why I am not Christian nor any other religion.

I was only giving some idea for taught for those who take by the letter the word of the bible.

As for me and like you, if god did indeed wanted to let us now, he would of make sure it his understandable and made sense for future generation.

And i agree with you too that we do not need a religion to have good moral values and faith in the mysterious....Religion try to control the uncontrolable...we cannot tell a hearth how to sing

Here's an other taught for those who take by the letter what the bible say's. In your opinion, did God whrite it himself. Or did he inspire someone to whrite it down. If so, what do you think about all those medium that says that they have message from angels or higher entities about the afterlife and life itself.....maybe this his what could of happened. Then if these people were indeed receiving inspiration like medium.....do you listen to all the messages our mediums of today relate to us?

just a taught....

Good point.

Our church defines the bible as the "inspired word of God, written by man." This is similar to what you describe, and makes sense if you think about it.

Men are fallible.
Men are limited in their ability to understand God's vision.
Men write things from a framework within their own understand (hence why the bible has references to women as property of men---not because it is God's will, but because that is how things were when the bible was written).
Men have motives, objectives, and agendas.

In most definitions the word "miracle" is an act influenced by some sort of higher power or deity. Please do not misunderstand me, I fully agree with the comment referring to the investigation of these miracles, but I like to look at both sides of the story to try and feel where everyone is coming from prior to posting an opinion.

Triniant


Ok, sorry about that. It's been awhile since I've been on the forums, so I'm trying to figure where everybody is coming from. Not only that but "Devils Advocate" is my middle name. I agree with you, in order to know how strong your opinion is, you have to look at both sides with detail.

Independent1

Again, trying to see the other side of the picture. If this were the case, than God SHOULD have known this. This would of been a great time for God to whip out, one of those famous Miracles and actually write the book himself. After all if he can create the earth in 6 days (not my belief) then he can surely write a book, or maybe get them started and tell his fellow writers. "By the way, you may not understand this now, but you will as generations go on." "And whatever you do, do not alter the content". Hell altering God's word is a sin, yet it seems to happen all the time with Interpretation.

You write as if you believe that God had a conversation with people and told them what to write. To the contrary, he "inspired" people. Why does he now work in what seem to us as more indirect means? Only God knows.

AHA! And if he inspired them, they have to figure out how to interpret it and put it into words... and as we all know, men are fallible. Then others have to figure out what that guy was talking about, and translate it to a different language... and we know, men are fallible. Now, do you still believe that the bible is infallible?

I still found it very odd that I didn't have a lot of solid information that went against what I said in this thread. All of you that believed as I did and supported me thank you and for the ones that didn't contest me.....I suppose i'm not really that surprised. Your friend the moron.

How do you explain evidence for a world-wide flood? The bible doesn't just say water fell from the sky. It also says that water came out of the ground. Where did all the water go? Perhaps there were no glaciers at the poles at this time? Maybe the oceans became deeper as they are now. How did the animals get to the ark? Yes, I'm sure God had something to do with it. I've got to go at this moment, but i'll get into it a little deeper later.

Saucy things like that actually did happen. Oddly enough they happened much further back in time than 4000 years ago which is when noah was suppose to have onde this?? Again Saucy you brought up your opinions instead of going against mine please answer my questions.

Actually if you read the bible God spoke directly with a lot of prophets, "through angels or dreams". So yes, God was able to interact with them.

Stellar


Exactly. I do understand that most of the bible was inspiration, but how can you ignore Stellars point? I'll tell you how you can believe it, it's called Blind faith. Say it with me kids..

Evidence of a world wide flood is in nature. There was a comet that hit the earth at the supposed time of Noahs Ark. Earth was hit 12,000 years ago by fragments of a comet, which sparked tidal waves, and caused the extinction of mammoth and sabre-toothed tiger, and turned the world dark for months.




"The bombardment of asteroids and comets upon the earth (particularly into the ocean) could unleash unimaginable amounts of rain, and hail falling upon the earth steadily for periods described in the Bible. The energy released from these impacts would result in severe geological reactions including volcanism, rapid tectonic plate movements (continental drift) and magnetic field reversals."


^^^^
"Seven-tenths of a second after the impact of a 10-km diameter comet into the ocean, its explosive power would be the equivalent to 300 gigatons of TNT (far exceeding the explosive power of all the nuclear weapons in existence during the Cold War). The comet itself would be almost instantaneously vaporized, along with 300 - 500 cubic kilometers of water. As a result of the explosion, high pressure steam would rise into the atmosphere and would return to earth with unimaginable weather conditions. A rain storm would be a poor description of the results. The use of the term "flood gates of the heavens" as given in Genesis becomes a very good description."
Source

A good read:
Problems With a Global Flood --- This deals with; Building the Ark, gathering the animals, fitting the animals aboard, caring for the animals, the flood itself, implications of a flood, producing the geological record, species survival and post-flood ecology, species distribution and diversity, historical aspects, logical, philosophical, and theological points.

Thank you Diebytheflyguy that was very interesting. I'm not someone that researches subjects very well. Often if you want to tear holes in my opinions just research the matter it shouldn't be very hard. Your friend the moron

Oh well. You don't need to research everything to make a good stimulating post. Even if they tear holes in it, they still contribute to the topic, and make it better. Then you sit and wait for their mistakes and tear holes in their posts.

BTW: This is a good thread, and your first topic too! Lets see more!

I think that is called being an ignorant idiot.

Who, X~File_Agent, Independent 1, Stellar, yourself for posting such an ambigious post, or myself for questioning your intent? Each of those posts are valid as far as the person posting them is concerned....I may not agree with them and think that their point of view was erroneous or ignorant, but I won't call them an ignorant idiot except in the heat of an argument!

A question folks:

Why is it that the globally controlled media riducules christianity, but supports Xtheism? (That's "atheism" for the rest of you)

Why are christians seen as being of a lower intellect, while Xtheists are seen to be the highest intellect available?

"I have many questions in which the bible can't answer. I also know of ways to completely disprove some of the bibles stories."

Really? that's strange, because the Bible, and my faith in God, has been able to answer every single question I have ever had. Maybe the problem is the fact that you do not want it to answer your questions, or you haven't read it at all. Or maybe you are not seeking it in the proper manner?

I for one believe in Spirits/ghosts, aliens, and psychic phenomena, and the biblical texts have always been able to provide answers that line up perfectly in one uniform theory.


"Someone claimed that atheists have killed more people than Christians, "

Honestly, how many modern christian people do you think are murderers? Are you going to condemn an entire faith based on a few radicals of huindreds of years ago? If you really want to point the finger at murderous religions, point it at the middle eastern muslims and their Jihad, who kill innocent women and children every single day, simply because they believe in something different. Infact, this sort of actvity by them can be traced as far back as history reaches!


""Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Who said this ?? Thomas Jefferson""

A wonderful quote. Saucy has many truths in what he said.

I'll also add that any "proof" someone has against a biblical event can never defeat the truth God reveals himself. Anything a human can come up with, or even the prince of darkness himself, will evetually whither away and become nothing.

I mean, it really goes both ways people. Whether or not you believe truth is subjective or objective, you can never defeat the truths taught to us by the loving, living God, and I challenge any of you so bold as to do so.

*laughs at himself* By the way, how old is everyone in this thread?

*laughs again*

Look around at the various Christian postings of this and various other website forums...the total lack of scientific understanding, the inability to express themselves coherently, their constant misspelling of even simple words, their lack of knowlege of history (World, American, Church), their child-like behavior and constant pushing of their particular brand of lunacy, when compared to the writings and posting of the non-Christians (of which "Xtheists" are a very small part), shows why Christians are seen as being of lower intellect - by all evidences, the majority are! I am sure that there are non-Christians of lower intellect, but they evidentally don't go around demonstrating their inferiority!



Maybe you haven't asked the really hard questions, such as "Why does the speed of light seem to be the speed barrier of the Universe". If that is in your bible, I would love to have book, chapter, and verse - or isn't anything in there except your particular brand of delusion?



Have you been to the former Yugoslavia recently, have you seen the piles of Moslems and others that were executed by the Christian militias? Yes, Christians are still up to their old murderous ways where they can get away with it. Only the fact that the religion is rapidly losing power and dying keeps the mass murders, as in the day of yore, in check!

Since you like Jefferson quotes, here is one for you:

"One day the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in the United States will tear down the artificial scaffolding of Christianity. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-Thomas Jefferson

Look around at the various Christian postings of this and various other website forums...the total lack of scientific understanding, the inability to express themselves coherently, their constant misspelling of even simple words, their lack of knowlege of history (World, American, Church), their child-like behavior and constant pushing of their particular brand of lunacy, when compared to the writings and posting of the non-Christians (of which "Xtheists" are a very small part), shows why Christians are seen as being of lower intellect - by all evidences, the majority are!

Judge not, lest YE be judged.



I am sure that there are non-Christians of lower intellect, but they evidentally don't go around demonstrating their inferiority!

*laughs* I couldn't disagree more. There is no inferiority. We are all equal in the eyes of God.


Maybe you haven't asked the really hard questions, such as "Why does the speed of light seem to be the speed barrier of the Universe".

This question bears no relavence to my daily life or my spiritual walk. Am I to treat God like a slot machine, putting in quarters until I get the answer I want? What would I do with the knowledge of this question? Would I use it to God's glory, or for my own means. Would I even no how to use the knowledge? Why would I need to know that in the first place? Why would I need God to unravel the secrets of the universe to me if they don't bear any influance on me?



If that is in your bible, I would love to have book, chapter, and verse - or isn't anything in there except your particular brand of delusion?

I could just as easily lable your ramblings as deluded, however I am above resorting to using childish methods such as these. I won't judge you.


Have you been to the former Yugoslavia recently, have you seen the piles of Moslems and others that were executed by the Christian militias?

Sounds like the work of Lucifer to me, getting people to say they're christians and then killing people to give a further bad name to God's Glory. You don't seem to understand the nature of evil at all, or you could see right through this with ease. Christians are not murderers. And anyone who kills in the name of God is praying to something that isn't God.

Yes, Christians are still up to their old murderous ways where they can get away with it. Only the fact that the religion is rapidly losing power and dying keeps the mass murders, as in the day of yore, in check!

Nope. Christians aren't muderers. I would never kill a man, because it is against the teachings of God. Those who kill pass final earthly judgement, and I have no authority to do so, nor the will. These people that you claim are covered by the blood of Christ and follow the living God are not what they seem. That should be obvious to anyone with even a rudementry sense of world politics, and evil's nature.

Since you like Jefferson quotes, here is one for you:

"One day the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in the United States will tear down the artificial scaffolding of Christianity. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-Thomas Jefferson

Sounds like he is seeing the logical future, recognizing evil's hold over mankind. Makes sense to me. Sad, though it may be.