The Highly sophisticated design of Pyramids has always been a mystery.How could the Egyptians build such massive building with such accuracy and durability.Could this magnificent designs have been designed by the atlanteans. Afterall it was Egypt where the first proof of Atlantis was observed.


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I read that the pyramids where even more spectacular then they are today, with a flat white granite side coated with religious simboles. But to be fair all of egyptian architechture looked great in there prime, the leaf on top of the pillars and the shear size of there structure...who ever built the egyptian civilation had great talent.

kikuchiyo, how old are you if I my ask?

And no I doubt that the Pyramids and if "Atlantis" is ture I highly doubt they were built by the same people. The idead of an unwater is absurd unless it was built and covered by a great flood.

I'm 18 (why the question)...My grand'pa traveled alot and has taken pictures with nice detail of the pilars and other things that shows great craftmanship...i supposed that when they were freshly carved they were a sight for sore eyes.

Atlantis has always facinated me ...i dont see why there could'nt be a link between the two.....its a fasinating argument.

According to a book or two that ive read, i think it was Edgar Cayce that claimed the pyramids were 2/3 complete when atlantis sank, and were used as observatories. I also remember reading that atlanteans did contribute to the building. Namely the king's coffin, which is itself a very interesting mystery. ( Link to post on the coffin )

The pyramids, while an impressive achievement for their time, were nowhere near accurate enough to be worthy of idolization, nor did their construction require any sort of unknown technology, particularly for the architectually advanced Egyptians.

Now, Mystery, what is this proof of Atlantis that you are talking about?

i think theyre could be some truth in this.

I think that in some way or another the atlanteans may have contributed to both the egyption AND south american pyramids.

It's so hard to connect two things when you can 't even solve the mystery of one part of the two. However, there have been studies on how Stonehedge and the great pyramids and many architectual feats are all tied into a global calendar, inspired by Atlantis...and some even speculate that the Atlantians got their ideas from aliens. That it was all conspired by aliens to help teach humans to learn more about the Earth.

Wait a sec...

Asides from being pyramids, what properties do South American pyramids and Egyptians pyramids share that would make you think they are somehow interconnected? What element is there to them that could not have arisen independentaly from both cultures?

As for calender,heck, if you know enough about mathematics to set up a calender, then really, how many differences are there going to be? The Earth and the planets all revolve the same for everyone.

And Atlantis...Heck, I still can't get past the little thing of them being a civilization that was never actually mentioned anywhere other than as a metaphor by a single philosopher in one story. A civilization so far ahead of its time, with so much global reach should have left behind something a little more substantial. Asides from thinking they helped build all the pyramids in the world (and how you can reconcile the tremendous time differences between each cultures constructions is beyond me) and thinking they had contact with aliens, what do we actually have to show that Atlantis ever existed? Nothing.

You said it in the first line, pyramids. Of all the types of calendars to create, why a pyramidal calendar? Atlantis may have been some fabrication of an old man, and there may not be any connections, but that doesn't mean exploring the possibilities isn't completely unfathomable. Why did all these civilizations throughout the world, in South America, Africa, and Europe, etc, find it necessary to build such huge stone structures? If you don't have the facts to disprove there were Atlantians that spread the word about huge rock calendars, you can't bash the idea. I don't believe there was an actual place that was Atlantis, however I think there was a land unknown to Plato that he glorified for it's intelligence...perhaps it was the people of South America, you never know...

Here's a site with a lot of mysteries of our world, it's really interesting, it has Atlantis, Stonehenge, the Nazca lines, pyramids, etc with a lot of the research already done for you at this site.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/index_m.htm

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "pyramidal calendar". The South American calenders, like the Egyptian, and for that matter, any other that I can think of off-hand, were linear and cyclical.



Well, to a certain extent it is. In the same way that a forensic investigator does not consider the possibility that a psychotic space-time travelling dwarf is responsible for all the unsolved murders in the country, so do archeologist and anthropologist not consider than a civilization that has not been shown to exist connects civilizations that have shown no cultural links to each other.



Quite simply, because it is a primitive instinct of mankind. Ever single society that has had the resources to spare has created enormous monuments, far beyond any practical need. There are incredible complexes made of nothing more than compacted dirt, and cathedral-like temples built of nothing but straw, all done on a scale beyond that which was needed for everyday life, indeed, whose construction posed a significant risk to the daily life of the society. These monuments were as dangerous and challenging for their people to construct as the more grandiose one made by people with access to stone and metal, and yet no one claims any sort of advanced civilization helped them out.



How could I have the facts to disprove it? If it didn't happen, there are no facts to gather. Theories do not exist to disprove anything. Theories explain things by providing logical argument or imperical evidence (ideally, both). Don't mistake a mere idea or possibility with a a credible theory. We have evidence that seperate, isolated cultures have, repeatedly, developed the same technologies without recourse to each others work. What evidence is there that a single, global civilization spread the word instead? That is how theories work. The evidence for them to exist must first be present, and the theory grows from that, not vice-versa.



Ah heh, yes, well, my people were pretty impressive *shrugs modestly*

But still, we figured out the calender ourselves, not because we got a cheat sheet from some people across the ocean.

A calendar made of pyramids.


History is about connecting the dots. There was, according to our history, although it MIGHT be wrong, a civilization with superior technology. This technology is said to have spread throughout the world when Atlantis was abandoned. This technology could be connected to how different civilizations with different beliefs built structures of this calibur in the ancient world. Same as how, 20 years ago, it would have been thought proposterous to prove a person committed a crime with a strand of hair and a shoe print.


Yes, however, pyramid structures? This is the tie, it's a connect the dots again. Researchers are not tossing the idea that it is possible that in a way, the civilizations that had no contact with eachother in the ancient world were some how connected because of the monuments being so similar in structure. A lot of the civilizations also used these pyramids as calendars, or in reference to sun-up and sun-down. Stonehenge was a calendar. Just as a forensic analyst examines all the clues to a murder, a researcher must examine all the clues to history.


Ideas are not credible theories, it's why they're ideas. That's perfectly understandable and you're right, you work theories from what you have, not vice versa. However, the history of Atlantis is in our history, so just because we can't find it or know where it went or whatever, doesn't mean we have to discount Plato and say it didn't exist. If the Atlantians were superior in thought and processes and technology, it's not a far stretch to connect the dots throughout the world as they spread out.


Ideas come from somewhere. They have an origin. The questions are who, what, where, when, why and how. If our history of Plato talking about a lost civilization and then the survivors dispersing throughout the world were the ones who brought the ideas to these other civilizations, the ones we have proof of, it must be considered, with or without ALL the parts. How long did it take us to figure out what Stonehenge was? We needed planes before we could discover the Nazca lines because we needed an aerial view. Perhaps we ourselves are just not yet technologically advanced to find the answers to show either way if the great structures of our ancient world were connected or not.


A site that will take you to some of the best sites concerning pyramids, Atlantis, megalithic structures, Stonehenge, etc.
http://www.freewebs.com/the4thdensity/ancient.htm

Are you are proposing that all the South American and Egyptian pyramids are calendars?



That's just it, though; There isn't according to our history, a civilization with superior technology. The only mention we have of Atlantis is by a philosopher speaking of the Greek war and its consequences in metaphor. He also spoke of a gigantic caves, the walls of which had shadows playing on them which where the archetypes of all things on this world. That was a metaphor concerning the nature of reality, but no one is out there looking for this giant cave.

Incidentally, according to Plato, no one escaped from Atlantis (just as no one could escape the consequences of the Greek war). Everything that Atlantis was, including its superior technology (which would have been impressive (or entertaining; think Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow) in ancient times, but hardly level with the technological standards of today) was destroyed with the city (not continent). There was no spread throughout the world, even if Atlantis existed.



But this is a non-clue. Yes, pyramid structures are common. Why? Because ancient man could only build in basic shapes. And of the basic shapes, the only ones who lend themselve to extended construction (i.e. that are self-supporting) are rectangles and pyramids, and pyramids are far superior to rectangles as height increases. Both shapes were used extensively throughout the world by multiple civilizations.

The value of a pyramid as a global connection is reduced when one realizes that it is only one of two shapes that could have been used for monumental architecture. A better question would be "If not a pramid, what other shape could they have used?" The answer, quite simply, is none. The ancients simply did not have the technology to create with non-supporting shapes that we do.



No, actually. We did first discover them with planes, more specifically, the construction manager of the Peruvian freeway noticed the shapes when the road cut straight center through the Lizard glyph, however a plane is hardly necessary to view them. The local government has set up a permanent 20 foot platform by the road, and that is more than sufficient to see the entire shape.

A Link between Egypt and Americas?
According to the official view there was no contact between the Old World and the New World before Columbus. Yet numerous similarities have been found that suggest a link between Egypt and the Americas:

Both have huge pyramids, aligned to the cardinal points
Both have structures built with megalithic stones and extremely fine joints
Both exhibit intriguing bumps on many unfinished stone blocks (Picture 1)
Both employed a unique style of construction using "L" shaped corners
Both use the same style of metal clamps to hold the huge stones in place
Both used the process of mummification to preserve and honor their dead
These compelling similarities suggest that both ancient cultures were influenced by a sophisticated common source.

Mysterious Alignment
Another puzzle is mysterious alignment of world's ancient sites. Easter Island is exactly aligned along a straight line around the center of the Earth, with the Nazca lines, Ollantaytambo and the Great Pyramid of Egypt. Other world wonders that are within one tenth of one degree of this alignment include: Perseopolis, the capital city of ancient Persia; Mohenjo Daro, the ancient capital city of the Indus Valley; the Oracle of Zeus-Amon at Siwa; and the lost city of Petra. The Ancient Sumarian city of Ur and Angkor temples in Cambodia and Thailand are within one degree of latitude of this alignment.

The alignment of these sites is easily observable on a globe of the Earth with a horizon ring. If you line up any two of these sites on the horizon ring, all of the sites will be right on the horizon ring. 3-D world atlas software programs can also draw this line around the Earth. ( http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl.htm )

Ancient writings from the Aztecs, Myans, Greeks, Egyptians, Spain, India, Tibet, and islands in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans all speak of ancient sunken continents and their connection to them.

So these interesting alignments, Atlantians were originally thought to be extra-terrestial and then there are these other historical stories about lost civilizations...it's possible there is a connection, it's not just a theory pulled from thin air.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl.htm

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I think you are totally correct on this one. I believe it was the Atlanteans.

Do you believe that the Egyptians slaves built the Pyramids? I don't. I believe it was someone or something totally supernatural. Like, some say it was the Aliens, and some say that the slaves had powers of the great beyond, making them slaves and powerless, because of food and water that was needeed,they were denied, unless they were to build these pyramids for the King.Tell me what you think please.

The Lines were first spotted when commercial airlines began flying across the Peruvian desert in the 1920's. Passengers reported seeing 'primitive landing strips' on the ground below. Source

I knew I wasn't crazy...I couldn't remember reading how Peruvian freeways discovered them...unless there's a site that tells otherwise? I'd enjoy reading it.

What is more fascinating in my opinion, is how did the two first civilizatins came to be - Sumer and Egypt, approx. in the same time. They are not connected to each other - Sumerian architecture, religion and language has no relation to those of Egypt. So how did they come to be?

The Secret Doctrine of Anahuac
Atlantis
In the Borgia Codex, there is a representation of Atlanteotl carrying the celestial vault on his shoulders, just like the Greek Atlas, which we are more familiar with.

Simply put, we can say that the legendary Greek Atlas is a faithful copy of the heroic Maya or Aztec Atlanteotl. if a refined intellect delicately removed the ending “otl” from the seductive name cited above, the result would be the word Atlante.

From this explanation, we will only add that this is not a matter of hollow empirical etymologies randomly chosen. It is neither a mere coincidence, as learned ignoramuses usually suppose.

These are extraordinary and genuine linguistic accords that can only be explained thanks to the Atlantean roots common to all American and Mediterranean-Semite peoples. Both of these have their origins in the enchanted land of Olisis or Atlantis, which is now sunk below the dark sea, the tenebrous domain of horrifying legends, frightful shipwrecks and travels from which no one returns....

You, vast sea, that in Gibraltar
Beyond Hercules’ columns,
The infinite tides
You tempestuously spread
Your mysteries,
To the navigators
Forbidden are!
Tragic legend fills your space
With the collective power
Of all generations
Who have known you
And the poet listens
In the voices
Of your great tides
The rumours of your tragedies
And the cracking sounds
Of your interred worlds!

Atlantis! That vast and now disappeared continent was a poet’s envision. The creation of the initiate Plato’s divine mind indeed existed.

The intuition of the poet is the genius’ vision. Whoever denies it cannot see with its immense power....

The sages are great only when they are poets, when overcoming details, they feel the harmony that beats in the depths of existence, and which can take us to superior spheres....

This is how the author of the Metamorphoses of The Plants could write his book, Philogenia’s author could spread his creed; Humboldt create his Cosmos; divine Plato his Timeas and Critias; and Poe his Eureka. All of these are poets of the Universal Life, which is merely the breath of the Occult....

“Do you see that sea that spreads from pole to pole?” asks his Master to Christopher Columbus. “At one time it was the garden of the Hesperides. The Atlantic still throws its relics, frightfully roaring like a monster in the killing field....”

Here, the Titans fight; there, crowded cities flourish. Now, sea beasts populate the marble temples, and the valleys where the sheep grazed, are dressed in algae.

H.P.B. in the anthropological stanzas numbers 10, 11, 12, literally says:

Thus two by two, on the seven zones, the third (race) gave birth to the fourth (race of men). The gods became no-gods. Sura (perfect) became a-Sura (sinners).

The first (race) on every zone was moon-coloured (yellow-white); the second, yellow, like gold; the third, red; the fourth, brown, which became black with sin. The first seven (human) shoots were all of one complexion in the beginning. The next (seven, the subraces) began mixing their colours.

Then the third and fourth (races) became tall with pride. ‘We are the kings, we are the gods.’

They took wives fair to look at. Wives from the ‘mindless,’ the narrow-headed. They bred monsters, wicked demons, male and female. Also Khado (Dakini) with little minds.

They built temples for the human body. They worshipped male and female. Then the third eye acted no longer. (The eye of intuition and double sight.)

They (the Lemurians) built huge cities.... they cut their own images, in their size and likeness, and worshipped them.

...Lunar fires had destroyed the land of their fathers (the Lemurians). Water threatened the fourth (race) (Atlantis).

The first great waters came. They swallowed the seven great islands.

All holy saved; the unholy destroyed....

Few (men) remained. Some yellow, some brown and black, and some red remained. The moon coloured (The Thuatha) were gone forever....

The fifth race (the people who currently populate the earth, including the Mayas, Incas, Quiches, Toltecs, Nahuas, Aztecs, of pre Columbian America) produced from the Holy Stock (the chosen people saved from the waters) remained, and it was ruled by the first divine kings.

The “Serpents” (Dragons of Wisdom or Rishis) who re-descended, made peace with the fifth (race), and taught and instructed it....

they sailed to egypt after the war with athens but not all of them went back,
some priest sailed to egypt found the first egyptians who at the time was a sorry little tribe, but they were excelent followers and the preist spread there wisdom to the first egyptian people.
(on a side note the atlantic was impassable after the sinking of atlantis, could this be an explanation on y future explorers and great minds thought the world was flat?)
unfortunatly Greed ened atlantis's fate and greed keeps us from finding the real info.(ie. so egyptian rulers were jelous of previos rulers it has been found that many a rulers tryed to re-write history by puttn there names and likenesses, on the tempels of the rulers before them.) out of all the primyds around the world egypts are the most perfict. if atlantians spread out accrossed the world then y do they all look different (primyds) wouldnt they have more sim trates?

The Egyptians built the pyramids. Get real.

http://touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidevolution.htm <--- Please read this.

The Pyramids.

Nobody can recreate them.

Nobody can figure them out.

Nobody can travel in time to "exactly" find out what they are about.

So we need to just "Let It Go" and move on because all of us just arguing and discussing and f***ing around about it won't make it real....

(I also posted this in the Poll: Did Atlantis Exist topic, but it has great relevance here I think)

Well, Thira, an island of the Mediterranean Sea with land off the coast is underwater and was volcanic. Thira is said to be Atlantis because of it's proximity to the Straits of Gibraltar and is said to have gone underwater due to the thaw of the ice age. So that would put this island underwater sometime around 12,000 to 10,000 BCE.
Atlantis is Thira...Source

Also, scientists are now beginning to heavily lean that the Sphinx was very possibly built around 10,500 BCE because of the fissures produced by rainfall on it. This period coincides with the melting of the ice from the last Ice Age (13,000 - 8,000 BC) AND that in that same period, the Sphinx directly faced East towards the Leo constellation AND ALSO in the SAME period, Orion's belt (constellation) was directly South of the Giza pyramids and line up perfectly with the way the pyramids are laid out on the ground. This period is the Age of Leo the Lion, which lasted from 10,970 to 8810 BC.
Here's one of the sources that talks about it.
Sphinx and it's possible older date "Source"
And another source which directly links Egypt to the possibility of Atlantis
Robert Bauval and his idea "Source"

So if all of this has bearing, and scientists figure that the Sphinx pre-dates their original theories (which was only a guess up to this point referred to when the pyramids were built because there has been no factual evidence as of yet to determine exactly how old the Sphinx really is) and the Sphinx was submitted to the floods due to the thaw after the ice age around 11,000 BCE, and Atlantis was ALSO submitted to the same flood around the same time...is it possible that survivors took their extraordinary intelligence and knowledge to the Egyptian land and taught the people there the great things they needed to know in order to build their great monuments? it's another possibility, and a growing one at that.