I was reading this article about a pack of killer apes reported from the Congo. They are reported to have flatter faces and larger brows than normal gorillas. They are also said to be complpetely gray in color. Perhaps these could have been the basis for the villians in Michael Crichton's "Congo"? The apes are also said to avoid conflict with humans. Very strange...
Killer apes of the Congo
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The Earth has such a large area of unexplored territory it wouldn't surprise me if this is one of many new spieces waiting to be discovered.
When she describes these gorillas, it almost sounds as if she's describing a earlier species of man (caveman) but with grey hair, could it be possible that these gorillas are evolving?
ever watch the movie congo ????? maybe its true
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ever watch the movie congo ????? maybe its true
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Yes, It seems that the Book may have been based on fact
It seems to me that this is the Bondo ape... A quite strange one, which is bigger than a gorilla and sleeps on the ground, but the DNA and the looks of it are more like a huge chimp. The tribals in the area often call the "lion killers", and they are not yet recognised by the scientific world. Plus, even CNN and other reliable news sources cowered the case(even The Economist wrote about is), so it must be true.
here's a link with pictures and stuff:
Bondo ape
here's a link with pictures and stuff:
Bondo ape
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It seems to me that this is the Bondo ape... A quite strange one, which is bigger than a gorilla and sleeps on the ground, but the DNA and the looks of it are more like a huge chimp. The tribals in the area often call the "lion killers", and they are not yet recognised by the scientific world. Plus, even CNN and other reliable news sources cowered the case(even The Economist wrote about is), so it must be true.
here's a link with pictures and stuff:
Bondo ape
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That was one theory (I think I covered the Bondo Mystery Apes a few weeks back)
but the Bondo Apes aren't reported as aggressive. But they may be one in the same
the bondo ape was brown not grey and looked more like a chimp instead of having a flatter face, and if you look at the huge captive chimp and the bondo ape they look exactly the same, I think they shot a huge chimp and are trying to pass it off as a bondo ape.
THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME IF THEY FOUND A NEW SPECIES OF ANIMAL IN OUR LIFETIME.
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THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME IF THEY FOUND A NEW SPECIES OF ANIMAL IN OUR LIFETIME.
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several new species of animals are found every year
The book Congo was really great i hope that some new apes come up
It is quite possible that there are still undiscovered apes in the world 
Did you know that at least one new species of something(animal,sea creature,or plant) is discovered every day?
Did you know that at least one new species of something(animal,sea creature,or plant) is discovered every day?
yeah well i saw the movie...
i doubt theres any truth in it though....
although theres lots of the congo that is hidden and unexplored so i read somewhere...
QUOTE(mr_halo @ Nov 8 2004, 08:04 PM)
yeah well i saw the movie...
i doubt theres any truth in it though....
although theres lots of the congo that is hidden and unexplored so i read somewhere...
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i doubt theres any truth in it though....
although theres lots of the congo that is hidden and unexplored so i read somewhere...
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Yes, most people think of the congo as grassland. Most people don't know it's full of jungles and swamps
Very true Monsta 
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ever watch the movie congo ????? maybe its true
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Yes, It seems that the Book may have been based on fact
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if the book was true, i'll be going to the Congo straight away. I want DIAMONDS!!!
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ever watch the movie congo ????? maybe its true
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Yes, It seems that the Book may have been based on fact
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if the book was true, i'll be going to the Congo straight away. I want DIAMONDS!!!
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well, at least the part about the gray's may have been true. But if you go, bring me back that big ass laser gun!!
I think that any ape who is capable of hunting lions is very intelligence and must use some sort of "weapons" to do that.
After all, apes are mostly vegetterian, while lions are one of the most sophisticated hunters in the world, having no other enemies in nature besides humans.
I also heard that these apes walk on two, and are even capable to run bipedal.
So, we might see here a very primitive humanoid, like Lucy or something.
After all, apes are mostly vegetterian, while lions are one of the most sophisticated hunters in the world, having no other enemies in nature besides humans.
I also heard that these apes walk on two, and are even capable to run bipedal.
So, we might see here a very primitive humanoid, like Lucy or something.
Its very likely that an Ape and a Lion could get into a fight, but the Ape wouldn't fight for meal. An Ape could very well kill a Lion with its brute strength, and NOT weapons. On a show called Animal Face -Off a gorilla went against Leopard (Gorilla won). The different between a Lion and Leopard is at least 130 pounds. That isn't much though for an Ape that can weight over 400 pounds with etremely powerful forearms, hands, and long sharp teeth. Those are good enough weapons. Lions MAY be the most sophisticated hunters in the world, but an Ape is one of the most intelligent animals on earth.
I fail to see how a gorilla can kill a lion 
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Leopards are good hunters, but not as good as lions are.
If a lion attack an ape from behind, the ape is doomed.
One must be very smart to hunt down a lion.
It's not for nothing that lion's only enemy are humans.
.Leopards are good hunters, but not as good as lions are.
If a lion attack an ape from behind, the ape is doomed.
One must be very smart to hunt down a lion.
It's not for nothing that lion's only enemy are humans.
Apes are smart though not to mention being incredibly strong, and vicious when it comes to defending itself and territory.
An attack like this would be hard for a Lion to defend against.
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If provoked, the male will stand on his hind legs, beat his chest and roar and scream to drive the intruder away. If the threat persists, the male will rear back his head and charge at full speed.
An attack like this would be hard for a Lion to defend against.
If it's the Bondo(and it should be, because the documented sightings and skull retrievals are the same in the case of the bondo and the "killer ape"), then it's a huge chimp and as it is known chimps can be really mean... I believe that a chimp with the size of a gorilla(or bigger) could kill a lion, if they got into a fight. If a feline gets into a face-to-face fight, it causes real trouble for him/her, for they are not "designed" for wrestling. Still, the ape would stand no chance if the lion attacked from the back.( Lions kill hippos and elephants in packs if they are hungry(I've seen them doing it on tv, it was scary...).
Plus, the lion-killing is not necessarily true, because the ape is strong as hell, and the natives just explain this to the scientist by saying "big ape in jungle kills lions"(They can't say "big ape in jungle could lift a Harley with one hand")
Plus, the lion-killing is not necessarily true, because the ape is strong as hell, and the natives just explain this to the scientist by saying "big ape in jungle kills lions"(They can't say "big ape in jungle could lift a Harley with one hand")
So when are you talking about the ape attacking a lion? Don't lions usually hang out in prides all day and hunt in packs so how could an ape pick one out without getting messed up?
One more thing came into my mind... Lions aren't supposed to live in the jungle, they prefer the open grasslands(their colour would be useless in the green/dark brown enviroment+their main prey, the antelopes and the warthogs are also scarce in the jungles).
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One more thing came into my mind... Lions aren't supposed to live in the jungle, they prefer the open grasslands(their colour would be useless in the green/dark brown enviroment+their main prey, the antelopes and the warthogs are also scarce in the jungles).
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but the lion is the king of the jungle
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So when are you talking about the ape attacking a lion? Don't lions usually hang out in prides all day and hunt in packs so how could an ape pick one out without getting messed up?
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If there was a stray lion? Details people! We're talking in a face off, one on one, Lion vs. Gorilla
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One more thing came into my mind... Lions aren't supposed to live in the jungle, they prefer the open grasslands(their colour would be useless in the green/dark brown enviroment+their main prey, the antelopes and the warthogs are also scarce in the jungles).
We're just speaking if they ever did meet, and have a show down. Did you forget?... "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight..."
Disney knows best...
In the wild predators usually do not mingle nor do they fight. If this ape or chimpanzee is aggressive then more than likely other predators avoid its territory.
In order for it to suvive so long without been 'found' by humans, these ape's would have to live in the deep jungle. The natives probably were referring to panthers, but due to bad translation the term became 'lionkiller'. I would not doubt that they could kill lions, I just do not see them doing so.
Regardless of any of this, I wonder if they are the same species as bigfoot or a distant relative?
In order for it to suvive so long without been 'found' by humans, these ape's would have to live in the deep jungle. The natives probably were referring to panthers, but due to bad translation the term became 'lionkiller'. I would not doubt that they could kill lions, I just do not see them doing so.
Regardless of any of this, I wonder if they are the same species as bigfoot or a distant relative?
i agree i can't see an an ape killing a lion...
unless it was caught off guard or something....
i can easily see an undiscovered ape being hidden in the congo though...
it would be pretty difficult to catch a lion off guard with its good sense of hearing and cat like reflexes
OFF: I think "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" was a song by the Beach Boys far before "Lion King".
The ape would probably win, if a face-to-face fight occurred. Lions and other felines have no stamina and always try to avoid frontal confrontations, for they are weak in fighting. how a fight like this could occur, I don't knoe,but sure they are really rare.
And no, this is NOT related to Bigfoot or Yeti or anything like this. It is a big chimp that is, due to evolutionary issues grew huge, because it does not live on the trees. Why did this happen, we have no idea. When one will be captured or killed, and the body will be sent to some wiseguy scientists, then can the serious studies begin... Now all they have is a few skulls, fecal samples and some photos(+tracks and nests).
The ape would probably win, if a face-to-face fight occurred. Lions and other felines have no stamina and always try to avoid frontal confrontations, for they are weak in fighting. how a fight like this could occur, I don't knoe,but sure they are really rare.
And no, this is NOT related to Bigfoot or Yeti or anything like this. It is a big chimp that is, due to evolutionary issues grew huge, because it does not live on the trees. Why did this happen, we have no idea. When one will be captured or killed, and the body will be sent to some wiseguy scientists, then can the serious studies begin... Now all they have is a few skulls, fecal samples and some photos(+tracks and nests).
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ever watch the movie congo ????? maybe its true
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Ditto… This seems to describe the bad acting, bad gorilla suited people in the film The Congo!
yeah lions are fast...
but the male ones are dead lazy most of the time
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yeah lions are fast...
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They are fast (Can exceed 35mph), but they can't run long distances, and they overheat quickly, especially when pursuing prey.
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but the male ones are dead lazy most of the time
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Yea they usually are pretty damn lazy. The females usually do the hunting, but the male lions can mate up to 50 times a day. Who wouldn't be lazy after that!?
This is one mean looking gorilla!
Here's an interesting article:
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They are 2,2m tall, weigh more than 90kg and are fond of lion for breakfast. They make their home in the darkest reaches of the Congolese jungle and hunt in packs, silently stalking their prey for hours, then breaking cover and overcoming the terrified creature before it has a chance to flee.
Wildlife experts and scientists are baffled: are they simply a more aggressive family of gorillas with a propensity for violence? Or are they a new species - a new great ape and one of the most sensational zoological discoveries for decades? There have been tales of mysterious and fearsome creatures living in remote places for as long as there have been Western explorers visiting them.
Hundreds claim to have seen the yeti in the mountains of Tibet. Then there is the sasquatch, a hairy man-beast said to inhabit the US Rockies. According to legend, the oceans are home to ship- devouring sea serpents and surviving dinosaurs roam forgotten parts of the planet. And, of course, we should not forget Scotland's Loch Ness monster.
Most scientists agree that these creatures are no more than over-active imaginations or the product of science fiction. There are no convincing photographs, no DNA samples, no documented sightings.
But the Congolese super-gorillas (if that is what they are) are different. There is growing evidence, in the form of photographs, videos and even DNA samples, as well as first-hand testimony from a respected primatologist, that suggests an unknown primate is lurking in the jungles of the Democratic Republic of Congo.
So could a giant killer ape really exist? And if so, how could it have been undetected for so long?FULL ARTICLE
Wildlife experts and scientists are baffled: are they simply a more aggressive family of gorillas with a propensity for violence? Or are they a new species - a new great ape and one of the most sensational zoological discoveries for decades? There have been tales of mysterious and fearsome creatures living in remote places for as long as there have been Western explorers visiting them.
Hundreds claim to have seen the yeti in the mountains of Tibet. Then there is the sasquatch, a hairy man-beast said to inhabit the US Rockies. According to legend, the oceans are home to ship- devouring sea serpents and surviving dinosaurs roam forgotten parts of the planet. And, of course, we should not forget Scotland's Loch Ness monster.
Most scientists agree that these creatures are no more than over-active imaginations or the product of science fiction. There are no convincing photographs, no DNA samples, no documented sightings.
But the Congolese super-gorillas (if that is what they are) are different. There is growing evidence, in the form of photographs, videos and even DNA samples, as well as first-hand testimony from a respected primatologist, that suggests an unknown primate is lurking in the jungles of the Democratic Republic of Congo.
So could a giant killer ape really exist? And if so, how could it have been undetected for so long?FULL ARTICLE
they mate 50 times a day...
sounds about average
hmmm.... everyone keeps talking about the movie "congo". Has anyone read the book. The book is a Historical fiction. The characters are real people and the expedition took place. at the end of the book itself it has a section that tells what happened after the expedition to the individuals involved. If I remember correctly (and I may be wrong) the Gorillas are an actually fact. evidence for their existence was found and collected... but lost in the ensuing chaos. chances are these are the same species as described in the book.
Please try to find that book with that info 
I will probably have to go and buy the novel again... I'm not sure where it is in my house... I'll look though
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i agree i can't see an an ape killing a lion...
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Well it's not just one that does the killing. They say that these apes hunt and kill in packs.
I don't think, the article is 100 percent reliable... It looks really tabloid to me... I have never heard of apes hunting in packs for lions outside the Daily News... The National Geographic article says:
the full article:
apes
It tells, that the natives call them "lion killers", but no more on this issue is known. I don't think that they hunt for lions... it would be biologically nonsense... Why would a monkey hunt the toughest prey available, while it flees the weak Homo Sapiens, which is more common in the area than lions... This is a mere simile of the natives.
Plus, they are not grey...(quote from The Economist):
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"an analysis of feces found in the nests suggests that whatever left them was eating a diet rich in fruits, a diet characteristic of chimpanzees, not gorillas."
the full article:
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It tells, that the natives call them "lion killers", but no more on this issue is known. I don't think that they hunt for lions... it would be biologically nonsense... Why would a monkey hunt the toughest prey available, while it flees the weak Homo Sapiens, which is more common in the area than lions... This is a mere simile of the natives.
Plus, they are not grey...(quote from The Economist):
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A HUNDRED years ago, on October 17th 1902, Oscar von Beringe, a German explorer, "suddenly noticed a troupe of large black monkeys" while climbing a volcano in eastern Congo.
Lets be a bit more realistic here ppl!
Lions don't go in the same enviroment as apes so what about...
Hippos vs Apes
Watched this doco once. Hippos have been known to kill Crocs, breaking them in half on one occasion
Lions don't go in the same enviroment as apes so what about...
Hippos vs Apes
Watched this doco once. Hippos have been known to kill Crocs, breaking them in half on one occasion
Chimps form what are called coalitions and do hunt together but mainly for red colobus monkeys. Taking down a lion (or a pride of lions) would be nearly impossible. And remember people they are apes not monkeys. monkeys have tails, apes don't!
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I don't think, the article is 100 percent reliable... It looks really tabloid to me... I have never heard of apes hunting in packs for lions outside the Daily News... The National Geographic article says:
the full article:
apes
It tells, that the natives call them "lion killers", but no more on this issue is known. I don't think that they hunt for lions... it would be biologically nonsense... Why would a monkey hunt the toughest prey available, while it flees the weak Homo Sapiens, which is more common in the area than lions... This is a mere simile of the natives.
Plus, they are not grey...(quote from The Economist):
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"an analysis of feces found in the nests suggests that whatever left them was eating a diet rich in fruits, a diet characteristic of chimpanzees, not gorillas."
the full article:
apes
It tells, that the natives call them "lion killers", but no more on this issue is known. I don't think that they hunt for lions... it would be biologically nonsense... Why would a monkey hunt the toughest prey available, while it flees the weak Homo Sapiens, which is more common in the area than lions... This is a mere simile of the natives.
Plus, they are not grey...(quote from The Economist):
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A HUNDRED years ago, on October 17th 1902, Oscar von Beringe, a German explorer, "suddenly noticed a troupe of large black monkeys" while climbing a volcano in eastern Congo.
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Welcome to the forums Koenig!
Thanks Monster Hunter. And just to add a bit. It would not be impossible for a group of chimps to chase off a lion. The Savannah or Olive baboon (Papio hamadryas anubis) which spends most of its time on the ground, as it is mostly gramnivorous, and has to deal with lions on ocassion--the males have been known to "mob" a lion when it gets too close to the troop. They don't actually physically hurt the lion although, just chase it away. But with these chimps being much larger who knows what might happen...
Maybe the apes get aggresive when lions enter their territory, probably defending their youngs.
Yeah, but these don't sound like chimps. they have huge gorilla like builds, and they walk on all fours. They could be very strange chimps
i guess someone is going to have to go into the congo wearing a lion suit and see what happens
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i guess someone is going to have to go into the congo wearing a lion suit and see what happens
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Like that Commercial with the guy in the lion mask? that one is hilarious!
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i guess someone is going to have to go into the congo wearing a lion suit and see what happens
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can't we just get a lion from somewhere?
or use a few normal cats and see what happens...
They are chimps accustomed to live on the ground, that's why they are gorilla-like in their movement and size. It can be big because there are no branches that could break under it, plus bigger size gives more protection. it's the way evolution works.
just what we need monster apes, and soon enough the cities will be overun and we'll be forced to fight back and destroy them because of their hazard to civilization, it'll be like planet of the apes
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