devvo
Nov 8 2004, 11:26 AM
Has anyone ever heard of the legend of this big dino who lives in africa somewhere and haunts and scares even terrorizes the local people , im interested because i once saw a program about it on tv
Erikl
Nov 8 2004, 11:28 AM
Errmm... yes I heard about this fella, but I'm a bit skeptic.
On the other hand, the last dinosaur became extinct only 15,000 years ago, so who knows...
slugnugget
Nov 8 2004, 01:59 PM
Yep i've heard of it, supposedly on the congo river, overturns the odd boat and scares the hell outta the locals
aquatus1
Nov 8 2004, 02:01 PM
What is interesting about this is that many of the stories that allegedly came from the natives concerning the behaviour of the beast mimic what scientists used to think of sauropod behaviour back in the days, but now consider to be incorrect. There were stories of the animals reaching up to the tops of trees with their necks, while today scientists do not believe the long neck could have supported the weight vertically, and stories of the animal lounging in the swamplands, when today people think they lived on dry land instead.
In short, there is more evidence that the legend was created by the explorers than by the natives.
Diebytheflyguy
Nov 8 2004, 06:23 PM
They say this creature is a herbivore. "Living in the jungles of central Africa countries of Congo, Cameroon, and Gabon are reports of animal an animal with a long neck, a long tail, and rounded shape tracks with three claws. The closest known animal that has these characteristics is a sauropod dinosaur."
Info!Size comparison:

Can you see a long thin creature swimmming?:

The creatures lair?:
Links: Good read!Skeptic view!
DJ_5150
Nov 8 2004, 08:40 PM
There seems to be alot of reports of dinosaur-like creatures and I'm starting to doubt they're complete extinction.
Erikl
Nov 8 2004, 08:45 PM
It doesn't neccesary have to be a dinosaur - it could be a reptile that evolved to look similiar, maybe a lizard or something.
Actually, I would be surprised if no reptile evolved to a shape similiar to some dinosaurs, as no matter how the climate changed on earth, dinosaurs were the most successfull creation for tens of millions of years.
Erikl
Nov 8 2004, 09:11 PM
Or maybe it is a giant long-neck tutrle, like these ones:

Deimos
Nov 8 2004, 09:54 PM
hmm, I don't know about that. People never describe a shell on Mokele Mbembe. Its always said to have smooth leathery red skin, but no shell. and when showed drawings of sauropods they identify them as Mokele Mbembe. Mokele also has a long tail. Interesting theory though
Sir_Oguh2
Nov 9 2004, 01:26 AM
everyone on this forum heard about the mokele mbembe. its so cool
that is the only unexplained mystery i am 100% that it is true
mr_halo
Nov 9 2004, 05:06 AM
i love the idea that a dinosaur could still be alive somewhere in the world
but...
i can't see a dinosaur surviving until the present day....
Erikl
Nov 9 2004, 08:32 AM
I agree with mr halo.
I too do not believe that dinosaurs, other than birds, have survived to this day. What could be possible is that a reptile evolved into something similiar, becuase the conditions in the Congo forest are similiar to those of the dinosaur ages.
slugnugget
Nov 9 2004, 01:52 PM
Yes, but crocodiles have lived in the same environments for millions of years and have hardly changed at all.
Erikl
Nov 9 2004, 02:22 PM
True, but Crocodiles and Sea turtles (another reptile that survived to this day) managed to survive because of the wide range of their leaving envirement. There was this show on the National Geographic channel some year ago, and the crocodiles are equipted with number of features that helped them become the perfect survivors that they are today.
Diebytheflyguy
Nov 9 2004, 06:49 PM
Frogs and other reptiles have been around just as long as Crocs and Sea Turtles. What do you account their survival to?
Erikl
Nov 9 2004, 07:06 PM
They were small and fast moving.
Sauropods were anything but small.
I could understand if theropods, which did have some small species, could survive to this day. As a matter of fact, birds, which are theropods, survived mainly because they were small and fast and could go from one envierment to next quite fast. This too though didn't help many birds who became extinct with other theropods 65 million years ago.
But Sauropods were just too big and heavy to survive such a drastic change.
And also many reptiles did become extinct with the dinos, the reptiles we see today are only small percentage that did make it.
sonik
Nov 10 2004, 11:40 AM
I read a lot about Mokele mbembe. Initially it seemed to me possible the presence of a dinosaur in unexplored areas of Africa. However, several serious expeditions had failed in finding any evidence of the existence of this cryptid. Furthermore, they found contradictions in the stories of some of people that claimed to have whatched it....so I am exceptical now.
What I am sure is that in the swamps of Congo there are many undiscovered species ready to be discovered provided it is a huge unexplored area of difficult access with very high biodiversity.
mr_halo
Nov 10 2004, 11:52 AM
QUOTE(Diebytheflyguy @ Nov 9 2004, 06:49 PM)
Frogs and other reptiles have been around just as long as Crocs and Sea Turtles. What do you account their survival to?
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they are small and can hide..
also frogs have been known to survive inside a rock...in a sort of hibernation..
Diebytheflyguy
Nov 10 2004, 07:19 PM
^ Yes in the winter, they shut their bodies down and freeze themselves until the weather is warm enough for them to thaw out.
devvo
Nov 10 2004, 08:16 PM
QUOTE(Diebytheflyguy @ Nov 9 2004, 06:49 PM)
Frogs and other reptiles have been around just as long as Crocs and Sea Turtles. What do you account their survival to?
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I believe that something terrible happned - for example a meteor, creatures living in the water were able to withstand the years of darkness and duststorms. This is a good explination for fresh water creature like frogs and crocs. but im not shore about the dinos of the salt water kind!!
What happened to them may i ask....? any ideas dudes?
Erikl
Nov 10 2004, 09:16 PM
devvo, it's not just the dinos. Any big air-breathing animal became extinct by whatever killed the dinosaurs.
Turtles, crocs etc. weren't very big and thus were able to survive.
If whales were to exist back then, they would have become extinct as well.
This is the reason why plesiosauros and maosaurs and other big air-breathing reptiles became extinct.
Sharks, on the other hand, and many kinds of fish, were able to survive, because they weren't affected by what happened outside the oceans.
man_in_mudboots
Nov 10 2004, 09:24 PM
QUOTE
and when showed drawings of sauropods they identify them as Mokele Mbembe.
the natives have
also identified elephants, hippos, and lions as 'mokele mombe'.
anyway, theres a couple other threads on mokele around the boards.
mr_halo
Nov 10 2004, 11:26 PM
QUOTE(man_in_mudboots @ Nov 10 2004, 09:24 PM)
QUOTE
and when showed drawings of sauropods they identify them as Mokele Mbembe.
the natives have
also identified elephants, hippos, and lions as 'mokele mombe'.
anyway, theres a couple other threads on mokele around the boards.
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maybe the creature is just a elephant, i mean maybe they keep seeing elephants in the water with their trunks sticking out, and maybe the story has just been passed down over the years and exaggerated....
who knows...
Sir_Oguh2
Nov 11 2004, 02:14 AM
I know! in cameroon if you ask the natives to show you a mokele mbembe they probably will. except you have to go threw miles and miles of swamps but in the end you will see one. not in congo though because of they think mokele mbembe are cursed. they are definetly not elephants because other people than natives saw them. guys stop inventing stupid excuses to explain weird stuff please just accept it
Erikl
Nov 11 2004, 05:46 PM
Maybe it is a forest elephant.
They are much smaller than savanah elephants (rarely exeed 3m, usually about 2.5m), and they live in African jungles.
Maybe it was this forest elephant, which is known to spend many hours in lakes, which they thought to be a dinosaur.
moe eubleck
Nov 11 2004, 06:40 PM
maybe mokele mbmembe means "big animal". Tho Moe does not speak this language, he has seen many such things that fit this description. ne of them is named Shaq.
mr_halo
Nov 11 2004, 09:07 PM
maybe its a new kind of giant elephant or hippo
Sir_Oguh2
Nov 11 2004, 09:27 PM
mokele mbembe means "one that stops the flow of river"
mr_halo
Nov 11 2004, 09:31 PM
QUOTE(Sir_Oguh2 @ Nov 11 2004, 09:27 PM)
mokele mbembe means "one that stops the flow of river"
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so it means dam then....
Sir_Oguh2
Nov 11 2004, 09:39 PM
yes and why do you laugh?
mr_halo
Nov 11 2004, 09:47 PM
QUOTE(Sir_Oguh2 @ Nov 11 2004, 09:39 PM)
yes and why do you laugh?
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because i do...
sorry....
i wonder if the creature really can stop the river, that would be so odd to see
Sir_Oguh2
Nov 11 2004, 09:51 PM
i dont think it can stop rivers because it isnt really big like a brachiosorus its more elephant's size but however it is probably big and dangerous. dude you should know that you are the one that gave me links about chupas,mokele mbembe and mothman for a work at school. most of the information i know are from these sites
mr_halo
Nov 11 2004, 10:06 PM
QUOTE(Sir_Oguh2 @ Nov 11 2004, 09:51 PM)
i dont think it can stop rivers because it isnt really big like a brachiosorus its more elephant's size but however it is probably big and dangerous. dude you should know that you are the one that gave me links about chupas,mokele mbembe and mothman for a work at school. most of the information i know are from these sites
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i'm glad my links to information were useful
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