I agree Earthy Girl that witchcraft isn't anything to do with the devil.
Satanists in my opinion is those who worship the devil but there again, if they choose this path, that is their choice.

With Love and Light

Blessed Be.

Nightshade
xxx

If you're talking about me being negative, I'm surprised because I only search for the truth. Just want to discuss. Just asking questions. By the way, not getting much answers.

I think it was wrong for padan jedi girl to say that to you evolution as it is true , you are only asking questions.
Its wrong so wrong, to judge others in this way.
And wiccans say they dont Judge??? I think you have your answer there Evolution.

With Love and Light
So Blessed Be

Nightshade
xxx.

Oh let's stop with all this happy frolicking bunny talk. People judge people every day. It doesn't matter what religion you are; humans will be humans..Judging others is necessary for our very survival as individuals. It's up to each of us to grow skin thick enough not to let others judgements affect us too much either way..And that's just a part of life
What I've always kept in mind in regards to judging a person in regards to their personal faith is how true they are in their actions as opposed to what they say when they speak of it..
It seems fair to me.
Also keep in mind that no religion on earth even remotely resembles what it was like when it began; so lets not use rumors and innuendo from centuries ago color our perceptions of how things stand today..

Falco Rex, I second the motion

well said

every religion have their ideals, there way of living, it his all a learning process. As for myself, altough I try not top judge to the best of my abilities, I still catch myself judging. I think it his a very hard thing to do. In the end, we are all humans and make mistake, as long as we all understand each other in the end, thats what matters

I received an pm from someone on this thread about people being negative, have not read all of thread, did not say who pmed me and who it was about, so I just put it there as they were upset.

My sentiments exactly Falcon Rex, People should learn how to grower a thicker skin.
Well Said.

With Love and Light.

Blessed be.
Nightshade
xxx.

Well I probably ought to simply walk away from thiis thread; but alas I never have had ability to hear judgements of my chosen faith without feeling an obligation to at least make symbolence of a response. Though I am indeed thankful for the rather calm disposition that has been displayed on this thread.

I am a Christian. I understand that by the mere believing of my faith I am judging. The main basis of Christianity is that You believe there is one way by which men might be saved. (Grabs Bible and attempts to use it as a shield against flung farm produce) Now this of course automatically creates quite an issue in the relationship between people of my faith and... well basically the world as a whole. I am not going to say I'm sorry for believing the way I do; because quite frankly I'm not! I have my path of my own free will and I stand by it.

This does NOT mean that I agree with the vast majority of Christians who believe that if you are a practicer of witchcraft that you are an evil being. And as for outlawing the wearing of Pentagrams; well the 1st amendment was created for a reason, and as long as a religion by it's practice harms no one, then to discriminate against it is the true evil.

My main problem I have with witchcraft comes from my coming into contact with it rather often; and most of the individuals I have had the misfortune of meeting obviously didn't read the "Harm no one " part of the brochure. I feel no desire to go into excessive detail; but having someone put a curse on you is not my idea of fun; and it happened to me far too often for me to have the warm fuzzies about the craft. I also have friends that are witches, and are not what you would call "evil" but I seem to run into the bad apples far too often. I have to say that I feel that the world of magic is one that probably should be left alone. I see it as Nucular energy; sure it has some good uses, but when it's used wrong.... Then dang does it create some massive fallout!!!! I understand that magic works. And for that mere fact I would caution anyone who wants to get involved in it, to not do so on a whim. Sure one side may be all peaceful, but there is always a dark side to everything.

May God shine his face upon you, and give you peace. Even if your path go through strife.

Honestly... Those who use magic to curse you, are no better then the christians who come to me and condemn me to hell.

=( Sad how people do that crap in the name of faith.

What I find facinating about witchcraft is that the deeper the knowledge you have on the subject the less likely you are to cast a spell of any kind and certainly not curse or bind or manipulate another.
It is indeed a wholsesome religion that honours nature and balance .

Very true Kismet. There is so much more to witchcraft than spells and such. Spell work is nothing comparied to opening ones heart and mind to the infinite mind of the Universe.

Just wondering on something about Wiccan religion, is July 31st a holiday for Wiccans?

Wiccans are never on holiday , but they do observe days of feasts and days of retreat . Which are based more on ancient harvests and on the seasons of the year . What's growing and what isn't . Which makes dates slightly different , depending on where ever you might live in the world .

Hmmmm seems to have got a little out of hand.. thanks to others seems to be back on track.

Regardless of who see's themselves as 'being in the right and in the know'. There seems to be prevelant in Pagan circles, (whatever path you walk) of I know better than you do.

* Shakes head*

If this carries on Pagans as a whole will become like the very people that they are trying to enlighten. I, for one do not believe that I know it all or that one path is 'better' than another. Religious tolerance is just that, but we need to be more than tolerant.

And before anyone accuses me of picking on people. I'm not. Some of the points raised here, were valid and others were just wishful thinking.

Brightest blessings.

Well said. I completely agree.

As far as celebrating Lammas (to the July 31st question) I know of some Pagans that do here locally. They usually throw a big festival. Where I live we have a huge Pagan community. Because I am Irish, my family honors the sun-god Lugh on Lammas.

I for one make a big deal of Yule, Betaine, Summer Solstice and Samhain. We treat them in my house like anyone would treat a major holiday such as Christmas. Other significant days I usually just acknowledge the day.

I am so sorry you have to go through that! I really am. I don't know what to call myself. I guess a witch would be right. I see ghosts, I talk to them, I do spells using energy and thought and heal people with energy. But I am surrounded, for the most part, by people that support me. If you EVER need to talk please msg me. AGAIN, I am sorry:( BB

I dont like it when people say that Wiccans are evil. Thats just stupid. Wiccans are very nice and freindly people! One of my fave bands is based on wiccan/pagan ancestry, visit this link: LINKAH!

anyone I can contact to help me along the path?
(I can write in Theban)

Firstly I do hope you are not refering to me Kira, as I have never claimed to know more than any one else. Life is a never ending learning experience.....
This thread was set up by Kaja Pythia Entitled I am a witch therefore one must expect some varied responses on this subject. I am just writing my experience of being a witch myself and what i believe it to entail....I write as a former high priestess of a coven , but even so , even a high priestess is forever learning too.
I celebrate every sabbat, the most important, samhain and beltane, these two i celebrate beneath the moon as the moon holds such magical forces for me ...
I also disagree about what someone said earlier about wiccans being evil as they are far from evil for i have friends who are wiccans as i also said earlier.....its impossible for wiccans to be evil as they are so fluffy and light.......they appreciate everything which surrounds them and gives thanks for it.
There is nothing wrong with this belief. Its not evil in any shape , way, or form....
I used to get judged all the time for being evil, but i am very thick skinned and do not care if people think i am evil or not and if wiccans are going to go around calling themselves witches then they should learn to grow thicker skins too so they do not become offended when they get persecuted.....
To do no harm is a stupid phrase for a witch to use for a real witch practices both light and dark....Thats just part of a witches path Im afraid so if you cant stand the heat , get out of the kitchen for witchcraft is not as glamourous as wiccans make it sound ! magic is not a toy ! It is like an ever burning coal ! If one messes with it , when one is not knowledgeable, then one must expect to get their fingers severely burnt !
Yes The Wicca way is most certainly a path and a way of life but lets not get this out of perspective , they are not witches even though they claim to be.

With Love and Light

So Blessed Be.

Nightshade
xxx.

I love witches! I dabbled in witchcraft when I was trying to figure out who I was as a person back in grade 10. I enjoyed it a lot and it's history. It's not as 'in your FACE!" as Christianity is, I liked it because of that. After awhile I kind of fell out of the loop though.

I find it resembles Buddhism to a certain extent with it's inclusion of auras. It just gets a bad rap from all the movies and other things. People thinking that all witchcraft is Satanic is similar to the idea that all sharks are JAWS and going to kill you when you aren't looking.

If you're a witch power to you, you are probably a better person than most of the Bible thumpers out there.

By the way I have been thumped in the face by a Bible and it hurts really badly so try to avoid Bible thumpers.

Im sorry to hear that you have been thumped in the face by a bible Cronos. Did you thump it back??? lol

To dabble in witchcraft can be very dangerous if you do not know what you are doing as you most deffinately get burnt.

Being a witch is a way of life and therefore one does not fall out of the loop lol.

Yes through history, todays society has judged witchcraft to be satanic but a witch will practice both light and dark.
This new age stuff is a load of twoddle to me and I cannot understand why wiccans naturally claim to be witches for they know not of evil for they are so fluffy so how would they know when evil is at work, attacking??? They would not be able to ward this off.

I rest my case.

Blessed Be.

Nightshade.
xxx

I agree with Nightshade. Being a witch does not necessarily mean you are Wiccan. The "rule of three" for karmic comb-back is from the Wiccan Rede, as is the "an harm it none" law. Therefore non-Wiccan witches are not bound by any of these laws.

However, to those who say "I have had experience of an evil witch". No, you have simply had experience of an evil person, who happens to be a witch, just like I have had experiences of nasty people who happen to be Christians/Jews/whatever.

Witchcraft IS a way of life. It's an attitude. The more you learn, the more self-governing you become. Wicca is only ONE religion of paganism. Many witches are not Wiccans, some follow other paths. Ever heard of an agnostic witch? I have. Me. Do I feel the need to explain myself to anyone other than my own conscience? Never. I also agree that the more you learn about the way of life of a witch, the less spell casting becomes a main focus. It is just one tiny part of being a witch, and it does annoy me to see people treat spell casting as the be all and end all of witchcraft.

I knew a woman once who wanted me to cast a spell against someone she thought was "psychically" attacking her. Of course I didn't - after all, not only did I feel this woman was psychotically delusional about this alleged attack anyway, but why on earth would I cast a spell against someone who has never done anything wrong towards me?! I found her request highly disrespectful because not only was she making light of my beliefs but she was using our friendship at the time for her own ends in asking this of me.

I also find it incredulous that there are people who CHARGE to mentor others about witchcraft. That is so exploitative in my opinion. And it does damage by setting up a false view that there are only certain ways of practising the craft and all other ways are wrong somehow, or of lesser validity, if you aren't prepared to cough up a fortune to learn how to do it "properly".

I was once told a saying about the negative and positive aspects that have been discussed on this thread: A witch who cannot harm, cannot heal. And I realise the validity of that statement. As humans, we all have a positive and negative side, and to become balanced we need to acknowledge both, not try to supress one in favour of the other, because that is unhealthy for our mental well being. That isn't to condone people who do bad things or break the laws by which our society is based, but we all have to find our own values and internal guidelines, otherwise we are living our lives through other people's values and worths. So it is for witches. It is this self awareness that is continually being developed in the practise of witchcraft, alongside the awareness and appreciation of the world around us. You don't have to worship a deity to be a witch. You do have to be willing to continually strive to develop inner-awareness and respect for oneself and the world we live in.

babycakes, well said! I completely agree with your post!

Bravo ! Bravo ! Bravo ! to BabyCakes !!!
At last someone is on my wavelength.

Great Post
Well Said
Its what Ive been trying to say all along.
Thankyou BabyCakes.
Thankyou so Much

Blessed Be

Nightshade.
xxx.

I am a witch. I do not worship Satan.

What do you worship?

I am not interested in Satan.

But are you interested to know whether or not he exists, and has any affect on humans?

Satan was invented by the Christians.

Actually, the concept of Satan existed long before christianity. Lucifer, and the "old Dragon" are mentioned longbefore the new testament. As far back as Genesis even.

Satanism is a form of Christianity.

Satanists will argue this point HEAVILY.

Jesus is NOT my savior.

Who is? Anyone? Or do you feel you don't need one. (Not a rhetorical question)

He was simply a holy man who lived 2,000 years ago.

It's simple to make simple statements. The fact of the matter is that a billion people believe he was the sone of God.

I am not afraid of going to Hell because I don't believe in Hell any more than I believe in Satan.

What do you have to lose in these beliefs?

I believe in reincarnation; that I will come back to this world or another and live out another life.

Belief in perception becomes reality. Does this mean that our reality is defined subjectively? I think yes, and no. A paradox? Or course! Because objective truth will not fully be known in anyone's life time, and will only berevealed by something capable of creating an objective truth. Humans do not have this ability

I am not evil.

Everyone is evil. Why do you have to tell your child how to be good, and not how to be bad? Why does power corrupt? If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, how will mankind ever survive?


The central law of being a witch is: "if it harms none, do as you will."

Not having a complete understanding of anything in our lives, how can you be 100% positive that you will never harm anyone, be it completely unintentional?

And if I DO enter a church, I am not struck by lightning.

*chuckles* I should hope not!!

And if a Christian or a Jew or a Buddhist came to a pagan ritual, our gods would not strike them dead either.

What is an ignorant christian came to a ritual, and decided he would take it upon himself to ignorantly and disrespectfully interupt things? Cou;d he not be attacked in some way, shape or form, be it present or future?

Wearing a pentacle is no different than wearing a cross, crucifix, or Star of David.

The star of David is not a christian symbol, contrary to popular belief. It ties more into occultic pratices than anything. It has to do with the methematics and numerology surrounding it's relations and ratios.

If you want me to take off the symbol of MY religion (and Wicca is a religion, protected by the same First Amendment rights as other religions) because it's offensive, you need to make everyone of every religion do that.

I agree with this.


How that can offend anyone boggles my little pagan mind. An image of a tortured, dying man is more offensive, yet thousands of people openly wear crucifixes every day.

Offensive to whom? If it is so offensive, then why does everyone wear them, and not pentacle's?



Also, don't ask me if I'm in a "coven" in that half-horrified, half-fascinated tone of voice.

You can thank holly wood for people with those questions.


In any case, our rituals have candles, food, drink, poetry, dancing...yes, there is a knife but it only cuts the air, not anyone's flesh.

However blodd letting is a practice in some rituals, do doubt completely different than the ones you practice.

I don't drink blood.

It's not healthy to do so I hear.


I wear black because it keeps negativity away and because it looks better on me than orange and purple polka dots.

Black obsorbs light. Any symbolism here?

If you want to ask me something related to MY religion, ask me when the next full moon is.

Recently, we had a fullmoon, combined with a lunar ecplipse AND a blue moon. I'm interested to know what that meant to you.-



One last thing: giving me a book about the Burning Times is like giving a book on the Holocaust to a Jewish person.

It's not funny and is rude.

Agreed. Knowledge of history breaks the repeating cycle.



I don't need to be saved.

Why?



If you don't want to understand, just leave me alone.

Good advice to many. Willfull ignorance forfeits the right to understand. Hmmm...what else can this be applied to?

I'm a christian, and even I try to avoid Bible thumpers. Forcing a belief on anyone just turns them off from it even MORE. If someone asks regarding my beliefs, I have no problems explaining them or describing them. A persons's choice is their's alone. Not mine.

As far as being a "better" person than someone...is there really any such thing? Completely aside from my faith and religion, I have almost always thought of myself as a better person than most, simply because my mind have grown past the state which the majority of others seem to be in. I can percieve things that others cannot, do things that others cannot, and solve things that others cannot. I can also get away with things others cannot. But my believing that I am a better person because of my knowledge and wisdom makes me an egotistical, proud, and self righteous person. All of which are negative.

I have said this before: The reason I am different from everyone else, is because I realize I am the same as everyone else.

I am a witch. Yes, I am a witch. But yes, I do practice within the Wiccan religion. I have been the butt of jokes my whole life. Peers have beaten me, but do you see me giving up? No, because I am a witch that will not allow himself to be conquered by a force that I do not wish to have. I don’t like this talk of Wiccans being fluffy bunnies. Many, meaning almost all, Wiccan traditions come from things much, much older than the fifteen century. Mainly from ancient Celts or Druids. Gardner only popularized Wicca. Many Wiccans, due to many thigns he faulted, also shunned him. Wicca has many traditions, all older than Gardner’s. I my self practice both Hereditary Witchcraft and a basic tradition. I believe in the Goddess and the God. I do not worship any Greek, Roman or any other kinds of Gods. As the letter said, we do not believe in Hell or Satan. I believe I will go to the Summerland (basically Heaven) and stay there until I am ready and willing to be reincarnated into a new body. I am but a teenager. But I have been practicing Witchcraft from the age of four. My immediate family is not Wiccan nor witches. They are Christian. My Hereditary tradition is very old, Italian, French, Native American, and many other nationalities. I follow many traditions as you can see. My magick comes from my ancestors. I am a true Witch, and I find it offensive that someone would call me a joke. It’s ridiculous that someone has the nerve to call someone a fake. As for the three fold law. I respect it, and follow it. Why? Not because “it’s in the rules.” I do it because it’s a good thing to do. Would you like it if someone ever tried to “curse” you? I’m terribly sorry if I sound rude in this. Just after reading some posts I got a little upset.

Ok Speak you say you are just a teenager but have been practicing witchcraft since you were 4. You also say that it is it is in your blood.
Hmmmmm
Well im nearly 35 and have been practicing for most of my life and pastlives. Witchcraft goes back way way back than my immediate family, it goes back into ancestry so I think I know what im talking about.....
I guess you are referring to me with these comments of wiccans being fluffy bunnies etc but I care not......I stand my ground .....Wiccans are not witches ....you have proved this from your post as it starts " I am a witch, Yes I am a witch......." witches do not divuldge information so freely as this lol its no wonder you have been the butt of jokes most of your life if this is how you behave with the I ams I ams......
You talk about being beaten Speak??? as if you are the only one???
But you got through this because you are a witch right???
I have been beaten to a pulp, kicked, punched, spat at, had glass bottles thrown at me , urinated on, repeatedly raped, for who I am and what I am. I have three beautiful daughters aged 6, 7, 18. None of them live with me for my beliefs do not conform with society.
I have had miscarriages mostly due to these rapes. I lost a little baby girl of just 15 hrs old and a son i could hold in the palm of my hand
and there was nothing i could do for he was dead. So Yes I do think you are being extremely rude for only one of pure strength can survive what I have and what I have to live with day to day and still , even after all this torture , there is still a vast abundance of love which flows from me. Also Im still here to tell this horrifying tale of torture as i bounce back each time anch time stronger than before. Nothing will knock me down and heres your proof. I survived.

Wiccans are fluffy and light as the three fold law does not apply to me.
This path i did not choose as I was born into it, just the same as it was my choice to divulge and share this information.

Nightshade

And our point is? I do not care WHO knows what I am. I freely talk about it. I've been in debates; I've given speeches, and a lot more public speaking in my town. I said nothing about me being the only one being beaten, where are you getting this? You made that right out of thin air. And wasn’t it you who said that a witch never gives up? That giving their life was stupid. Didn’t you say that? Or was it someone else? I never said "Oh yeah, I'm the only one in the whole wide world that has ever been beaten up for being a witch." I'm glad you're able to stand by your ground. And yes, witchcraft runs through my blood. But I don't think it makes a difference of what the rest of my family does. It's their choice. And I respect that. I have made my own choice. And I also think it's ridiculous that you think because I’m a teenager I have no idea what I’m talking about. So what if you’ve been practicing your whole life? I don’t think age makes a difference in anything. Ageism in my eyes is a terrible thing. Kids today are much smarter then they were twenty years ago. And now you are talking about how you’ve been the only one who’s ever been beaten, raped, kicked, punched, ect.? My sisters have been raped multiple times, they’ve been sent to the hospital, lawsuits here and there. I never ever said I was the only one. You cannot assume such a thing, for those words never left my fingertips. You’re basically saying exactly what I said, except you shared your own occurrences. I was also born into my path.





Okay, so you just divulged information. Wow, I did too. So you’re being extremely hypocritical about divulgence.

We have found a Witch!

May we burn her?

Firstly to Speak unlike you I am able to rise above your remarks and do you know why??? Im not a silly little teenager ......even though your words are displayed over the internet, they do not hurt me.
you speak before your brain is in gear anyway and your MERE Two posts are proof of this ! Im just going to put it down to your childish tantrum.
Thankyou so much for one thing though;
For proving to everyone on this thread that you are not the wiccan you claim let alone a witch for wiccans do not act in such a manner as you have done.
You call me a hypocryte??? hmmmm I dont think so lol
and I care not for youre just silly little teenager who knows nothing of life out there in the real world !!!
You are Not a Wiccan, You are Not a Witch, just vindictive so I would think carefully about asking others what their path is for it for you need to sort your own out first.

Blessed Be
Nightshade.

Secondly to Cradlle Of Fish
So do what you will then. One more persecution is not going to hurt me lol. Im still funtional after everything I have been through, what makes you think that one more burning is going to make a difference to me???

Blessed Be
Nightshade

god, is society so awful that it cant leave ppl alone, to do what they want with their lives? honestly guys if ppl want to practice this art, then its their business LEAVE THEM ALONE. what happened to living in a free world, and democracy?

This thread is really getting nasty ..nightshade..those of us with brains know who you are. we love you hun. lets have no more attacks on each other people. its a message board, and its just words, but the words can hurt too. everyone is free to their opinion, but lets do it resepctfully. blessed be.

How can YOU know what a Wiccan is? When all you've done is shown nothing but un-just faults, that aren't even true. You give no reasoning for anything. I am a Wiccan. I am a Witch. I do not go up to you can go "OH! You're not a witch, you're a liar." Did I EVER say that? No. So do the same. I act as my own because I can. My religion does not hold me back. There is no rule that says, "You have to be a nice little boy at all times." I don't have to be nice at all to you or anyone else if I feel I'm threatened. I will stand by my ground as you are just a very judgemental person who seems to be too lazy to research in depth, because it seems you know about 0% about this religion. You have given us nothing of your own religion, execpt for "witches tell no one!" That is about all. You may feel that I'm just a silly little teenager, but you are wrong. I am much more than just a silly little teenager. I know more, I've seen more than most teenagers. And I stand by my ground. And if you feel if you can attack me and laugh about it (as your PM to me said), then go ahead. Because I don't wish to attack you or hurt you. I'm sorry if I did. But I have the right to defend myself, as you do. Again, I am sorry.

You Dont Mean To Hurt Me ??? Now that is HYPOCRYTICAL !!!
I Have tolerated Your little outbursts enough. You Dare To Call Me Lazy when I put at least 12 hours a day in at my computer amongst the housework and other chores which have to be done. How dare you!!!
Yes I am who I claim I am and I dont owe you any explanation as you quite obviously have the nerve to post more verbal directed at me.....I have studied my religion in depth for over 25 years thankyou very much and thats only in this life. I practice what I want When I want and do not have to answer to you.
Yes I did send you a PM but what did it contain??? lol only. Thats It . After reading your post earlier.
Yes I too Will stand my ground whereas you are about to fall with a hefty bang for if you truely are a wiccan they believe in a three fold law, what you dish out will come back to youx three. Everyone deserves respect whatever their religion may be for underneath it all there is a person with feelings. You are so full of yourself, your head is up your own, well.....I dont think I need to say anymore than that.

Nightshade

Thankyou to Firien and spooks for your support.

Blessed Be.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

thats alright nightshade, ppl should be allowed to have their own religion and own views on life, and continue with their life . ignore any further harrasment,

Thankyou Spooks I will avoid any further harassment too.


Blessed Be
Your Friend
Nightshade
xxx

nightshade, you both deserve the freedom to practise whatever u want, and dont thank me, i just hate to see ppl victimised for their beliefs,

Nightshade - you have shared some very personal things here and for that I feel honoured and priveledged. Thank you.

Speak - I have no doubt of the feelings of persecution that you have felt, it is obviously a topic that touches on things very deep within you.

To both of you - it seems that you both have triggered off some very personal and emotive reactions within each other...... but guys, please, witches/Wiccans/Pagans in general suffer enough external abuse without division between the ranks from the inside too.

Please, can I ask you both simply to accept what the other is saying as purely that person's perspective on things and this does not in any way denigrate or devalue the other person's point of view? We are all individuals and have so many different ways of doing our "thing". Ask a room of 100 witches which is the "right" way to do something and you'll get 150 different opinions and answers!

We have been subjected to so much intolerence over the centuries and misunderstanding from those who really don't want to know more, but use their questioning as subversive tactics to devalue our beliefs further, let's practice what we preach and accept that even within our craft we can never agree 100% of the time with 100% of the people.

Celebrate our differences! Don't let them tear us apart!

nightshade sis..let it roll off girl. were here for you..always. like i said..you dont have to defend yourself. love you hun.

I love you too sis and thanks again to you spooks and BabyCakes for your support in this matter

Blessed Be.
XXX

hun im always on your side.. no one will ever change that..........

Let's say orange and purple polka dots was the colours that keeps negativity away, would you wear such clothes?

I'm betting clothes like that would be pretty likely to attract some negativity..

lol thats the truth lol. along with some eggs and stuff..heheh

No... not even if that. Blacks, and earth tones are nice.

A facinating exchange.

It is a terrible thing to be persecuted for one's beliefs. But that's part of having your faith strengthened. My religion teaches us that we build trasures in heaven for our persecution, because our saviour was persecuted. I guess the more someone is persecuted, the more they must be living their faiths or beliefs.

I have to agree with your post 100% Insight.

Well said.

Blessed Be.
xxx.

I've just finished reading the posts here, and I have a question. Wasn't Aleister Crowley the man who founded the church of Satan? If he was the person who help to create Wiccan rituals (I was under the impression that those dated much farther back than the 20th century) wouldn't that mean there was some Satanic connection? See, I've never thought there was a connection between these two religions at all until that statement earlier.

And Nightshade, I really don't think Speak was trying to attack you or your thoughts. I think he is just young and defensive, and has not yet learned a tactful art of debate. It's very hard to be a teenager and different, and he is probably used to being ridiculed and having to 'fight' back. Don't let what he said upset you, as it seems you have had much harsher adversaries in your life. Good for you for being able to overcome them.