im 13 years old i have been pretty freaked out about this whole bible codes thing, but now i feel a lot better because in the Bible Codes book it said that Yassir Arafat would be assasinated and shot down.

Now look...he passed away because of ilness!
the book also said that a fire missile by bin laden would hit New York City in 2004...that remains to be seen!
the book said that there would be some sort of SmallPox massacre in 2004...that remains to be seen.

I am a Christian but i dont beleive that the Bible Codes thing is correct, it look to crosswordy

Hi, and welcome to the boards!

Every rock you'll pick, you're gonna find a prophet wanna-be underneath. Everybody wants to be a prophet, and especially a one bringing bad news and catastrophies (In ancient Greek mythology you can search for:"Cassandra"). Don't pay too much attention to any disaster-speaker idiots of this kind. The signs that a future disaster could take place are not to be found in religious books or "saviors", but just by looking around. Did you know that by the year 2070, if situation doesn't change quickly, there will be no ice during summer in the poles? The level of this disaster is beyond comprehension, esp. for seashore towns..

Dont be scare Carl, I can understand your fear, if I was your age I would be really scare and even today I still does get scared some time, few time so badly that I cant sleep. But in end after researching it carefully I alway end up laughing at myself because I realize that probably 90% of the prophet are impossible. So dont worry about anything and just be grateful you are alive and enjoy your life, hell you would do even more harm to your own health if you worry about end of the world. If you have any questions on possibly end of world just PM me and I will answer it, I already answer most of question on other thread and as far as I know, no one even try to prove me wrong or argue against my answer so that mean I must be right about something.

These "codes" are only as good as those who feel they know what they say! Not to scare you but they still don't know what killed Arafat! I was watching TV last night and those who knew what his symptons were said he had all the signs of AIDS! Now this could be said was someone striking him down! Its a stretch but one could say he was killed if he had indeed gotten AIDS.

Just wait until some followers come out and say his not really dead.

Then you'll have tons of prophecies about him.

Look out Elvis here comes Arafat.

I think Arafat was in a coma.

I seriously doubt he had aids.

Just repeating something said on late night news show last night I have no evidence of such just making comment based on that report I saw last night. Even reporter said this was based on info coming out of paris and told to Doctors "not" treating Arafat. I only mention it as it related to topic

Well, i remember some famous foreteller saying that the world would end in the year 2000, so i dont think anyone really has a clue

The world was supposed to end in 1990. And 1995. And 1997. And 1999. And 2001. And now, the latest, is 2006.

But I'm sure 2006 really will be the Apocalypse. I've got a feeling about that number. Or maybe it's going to be 2012? Or 2020? Or 4312 on November 23rd at 2:38pm?

GMT? Oh no! Exactly the time I would be about to have lunch! Noooooo

If you look into how the Bible code was extracted, and how the procedure works, I’m sure you will rest a lot easier. It is simply a computer program, that picks certain strings, or sections of letters and words (a little more deep, but that’s the idea). But if you applied the same theory to say a Mrs. Smith’s cook book, you would get the same results!

Am I the only one not shedding a tear at news of his passing?

I would not shed a tear for a person responsible for the death of thousands. And as always, death comes in the name of religion!

Whats to miss? I didn't know the man personally so why should I care if he kicks the bucket?



Why?



Well, maybe it was a different Yassir Arafat

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Hey HO Chap!!! 2004 isn't over yet. And rumor has it that Arafat may have been poisoned (e.g. assassinated). With much nuclear material "missing" from the stockpiles of the world's arms supplies (ours included) - the threat is VERY REAL for an attack against New York. Both Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce indicated that NYC may vanish by other than orthodox (natural) means.
Many Earth Changes are also predicted - vis-a-vis AD 2012 (Mayan Calendar and the references to 'Hunab Ku' - look it up on any web search engine).

You are 13 years old -- that remains that you should persue your studies and READ -- take in whatever you can - but be objective (not accepting ALL of what you read as necessary truth). Education is important no matter how we get it!
Good luck with your studies - and DO NOT FEAR the unknown! Many have changed the unknown with CONSTRUCTIVE FEAR. The very fear that strives us to CHANGE the world we are afraid of; but have to live in.

Remain open-minded about the Bible Code ....

From the Gryphon's Lair

I am not defending nor discrediting Bible Codes but it is strange NO cause of Death has been mentioned! So we cant rule out anything!

i was once scared by the bible code, then 5 mins later , i realized the loophole as the next segment continued on the "History" Channel, that you could do the same thing in Moby Dick

Hey Carlos,


I’m an atheist and don’t believe in the bible codes, but it doesn’t mean I’m right. Anyways, there is suspicion that he was poisoned by Mossad, which would constitute an assassination. After all, Israel is the only nation which openly admits to and practices assassinations of political leaders. But yea, like I said, I don’t believe it and i also saw how they predicted the death of princess Diana with mobey dick, the book just has to be long enough. Who knows what plethora of prophesy we would find in the Upanishads!

But to further place doubt on the whole bible code, how is it that they predict the future with it? Pick a string of scary words and say it will happen in the future? The only reason it has been afforded some credence is that people have looked for things that have happened. If you try hard enough, you’ll find something. What I’m trying to say is, predicting or prophesizing the past isn’t prophesy and saying that this or that is going to happen is ridiculous. What the bible code does, is guess at what might happen...Anything can happen. I might walk to the moon! LOL

P.S. Pete, ill be shedding a tear for Yassir!

//// Good Point -- and that is the same thing about trying to find ATLANTIS under every brook and cranny!
I also shed a tear -- but for the Palestinian PEOPLE (many I grew to know and love) who are going to have to go through more Helll. The Soviets did well to train Yassar at the infamous Patrice Lumumba University run by the KGB!
He is MAINLY responsible for the death of his own people. And Mossad is NOT the ONLY country that used poison for assassination. The Soviets made use of the "poison bb" shot from an umbrella tip long ago. After death the poison is untraced.

From the Gryphon's Lair

Yea, I noticed my wording is weird. What i meant to say about Mossad is:

The world: "Do you, Israel, practice political assassinations?"

Israel: "yea"

The World: "Do you have an open book policy on assassinations, in violation of world law?"

Israel: "Yea, whatev...we do what we want!"

P.S. Gryphon, I agree with what you have said about Yassir. Many of the Palestinians I know said he was a bad leader and constantly made bad decisions. Also, he is or i guess was under investigation for embezzling the money the Palestinian Authority got in aid.

Personally, I believe in the bible codes. What you guys are missing is that the bible codes are found in original hebrew text with no other characters. And they're only said to be a true bible code is if the letters are in a certain amount of space and if the chance of them happening is beyond random chance.

It also said Laura Bush would die in a helicopter crash in late September or October of this year and that has passed and she's still alive. It also said Bush would be assassinated in 2010. Why would that happen after his term was up in 2008? It's all bull and don't believe it.

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I am VERY FAMILIAR that each of the readings MUST BE DONE with the ORIGINAL HEBREW and without the vowels to throw the "switch off" so to speak. Those familiar with the Kaballah (as I am) and the valued lessons it gives - will know that it is like ONE GIANT INFORMATION DATA BASE which only a few (Initiated) know how to tap into. I am NOT one of them. Takes years and years of self-discipline to even understand the complexities of it all.

Likewise -- Hebrew is almost impossible to be translated without error into Western Languages .. and therefore much of it would be corrupt (using similar - but negligible meanings to what SHOULD BE EXACTING meanings). The Numerical values (Gematria) - must also remain intact - in sequence - or you are going to have nothing but jumbled nonsense.

Like DNA -- some have even indicated that DNA is nothing more than a "micro chip" with alternative results to exacting science. But alter one strand of the Genetic "micro chip" and you have deformity from destined results. The BIG QUESTION IS: WHO'S PROGRAMMING THE THINGS!!!

The Hebrew Language - being likewise -- is extrememly sensitive to error in translation for its valued meanings. For any LITERAL Meaning of the Old Testament -- you are gonna find some contradictions BECAUSE of these attempted translations.

IF something like the EPIC OF GILGAMESH (Sumerian Saga) is to remain EXACTLY as was given in the tablets -- we may very well find some hidden meaning. Without exacting translation .. the meaning is lost -- and lost even more with each subsequent transliteration. Much the reason why SYMBOLS were used. With them there is the "public" or common meaning --- and the Arcanic - which hides the EXACT MEANING and only those who know the Keys will be able to understand.

The BIBLE CODES are meaningless unless they are applied with the ORIGINAL HEBREW or the meaning/results are, in fact - without merit.

From the Gryphon's lair

You know, I've read the bible and I really did find quite a number of mistakes and contradictions and inconsistencies in the book, even without the help of the original Hebrew text (which I wouldn't know how to read anyway).

In surprisingly many occasions the book talks about the sons of the Gods, notice the plural. The Gods did this and that. But when you read on, the plural does not appear so often anymore and in the New Testament it is in a single form.

Also what I've noticed is that in the Old Testament the God is a hommicidal maniac, telling his people to destroy other nations cause they worship some other God. (Seems like war of the gods to me, remember those newly found ancient nuclear blasts all over the world?)

Did you notice that the men in Sodoma and Gomorra are bi-sexual, trying to rape the male visitors Loot was having, which was also the reason the towns got wiped out.

What I'm trying to say here is that when you don't look at the book as holy and read it with a critical perspective you will find many rather interesting observations. They're not even hard to notice.

If Kain and Abel were the sons of Adam and Eve how the hell could they have met other people of different nations and tribes if they were the only ones around. I mean the book is so absurd I had quite a many laughs reading it when at the same time thinking about the fact that this is the crap we base our life values on. For God's sake. I'd rather be a buddhist! Were worshipping the same kind of entity which Osama bin Laden (who worships the same god as christians) is with the separation that God is worse.

The sad thing is that these were only the tip of the iceberg of the things that can be found in the book.

Opinions if you will!

the only reason the bible is messed up is because humuuans (you christiians) f'ed it up. I am a muslim, and are quran has no contaraditiciton or anything, and you know why? because we didn't change the words or translate it and call it the origianl, your bible has been changed so many freaking times, I would be suprised if ven one verse remained the same today as it did back then, ours is in origianl text.

I can't help detecting a certain hostility...Why is that?
As for the Bible and Quran, there are many Christians (and scholars, as well) that believe that the Bible might be somehow non-100% accurate, but still very close to the original. Logic says the same about the Quran or any other book of more than 1000 years old.
And in the end, it doesn't matter whether a holy book is 100% accurate or not, but if people understand what they're reading. Which doesn't seem to be the case with neither Christians nor Muslims

Well to my understanding (I've yet to read the Quran) the Quran is more about teachings, regulations and rules of how you should live your life whereas bible has the same message but with also stories of people and nations going deep in the sands of time so therefore there wouldn't be much historical facts to be tampered with? And to my understanding the Quran was written by a hell of a lot fewer people than the bible?

I would really like some more information about Quran so I'd have some basis to my arguments. I'm having a hard time finding it in my language or even in english in the library.

the quran and bible are similar. jesus is called different in the quran and is only a prophet not gods son. same story's

to get back on topic of Arafat I thought I would post this article I found


PARIS (Reuters) - French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said on Tuesday France would release Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s medical dossier only to his family, despite a request for details by Palestinian leaders.


AFP
Slideshow: Yasser Arafat Dies at 75




The Palestinian leaders said they wanted full information on the Palestinian president's death in a Paris hospital last week, challenging French laws under which his widow has maintained a veil of secrecy.


"Yasser Arafat's medical dossier will be handed over, in accordance with the law and the rules, to those who have a right to know and who ask for it, and I mean family members," Barnier told France's Europe 1 radio.


"The family of Yasser Arafat has the right do what it likes (with the dossier)," he added.


French doctors are bound by privacy laws invoked by Arafat's widow Suha which prevent them releasing details.


Aides said Arafat, 75, died on Nov. 11 after going into a coma and suffering a brain hemorrhage. But they did not say what illness caused this to happen.


Rumors have been rife that Arafat has been suffering from anything from cancer of the stomach to a rare blood disorder.


Palestinian militants have accused Israel of poisoning Arafat, a charge denied by Israeli and French officials but which threatens to fuel discontent in the West Bank and Gaza and complicate the succession process.


"I have heard my colleague Nabil Shaath, the Palestinian foreign minister, say very firmly that the theory of poisoning did not stand up," Barnier said of the murder allegations.

As you all have stated, we don't know, nor in our current social status, will eve rknow how Arafat died. Don't you think that if he was infact shot, it would have caused the islam world to frenzy themselves up for a stronger war than they are waging now? Sounds like a good reason to cover it all up.

But I am not saying that he wasn't, or WAS shot. I'm just offering opinion and speculation.

By the way, you can find "Bible code" in any volume of texts. But what makes the Bible code different is the intersecting words. When 6 or more words intersect each other to form cotent sentences, and you compare it to the randomness and non intersections of the codes found in War and Peace, it makes you wonder...

Did you know that Jewish priests, who have memorized the Hebrew texts of the Tora (The first five biblical books) have found, and known for a long time, that every 7 letters it spells the name of God, Yeshua (Unsure if that's the correct spelling). Plus, the bible code only really works properly if you read it in hevrew, which was one of the original languages that stem from the aftermath of the Tower of Babel, when the one existing language of humanity was plit into many others my God.

English was a language invented by Man a few hundered years ago.

Think about it.

Bible Code? C'mon people, have we fogot about the "Alice in Wonderland" code or has that allready been diproved?

Bible code is a bunch of rubbish used to enhance peoples interest of the bible (and Christianity) by claiming there is a secret code within it that tells of misforunes and mishappenings. Or...Why not simply walk down to your closest church and ask the head pastor, preacher, reverend, monk, or dude what he thinks about the bible code? I am sure he will be well read on the subject and happy to give you all the information that you need and so desire.

You seem to say that people's interests of the Bible and Christianity sould not be enhanced.

I merley state the truth.

I ask you, where does truth come from?

Truth, being somthing infalable, and written in stone.

Truth, being fact that is without question.

truth, being a guide amoung all guides.

Does this truth come from the individual?

Is true subjective, not objective?

Are we ourselves, with our fallable human brains and interests, able to define what truth is, and redefine and redefine?

Could a human being, who's perception IS it's reality, define it's own truth with fallable senses and a changing sense of reality?

Could a being, who is capable of being lied to, obtian a pure form of truth on it's own accord?

If we were able to obtain all the Truth by some point in our lives, then would we not obtain perfection, having all the uncorrupted knowledge and wisdom we need to live infallable, and perfect lives as we saw fit, obtaining our every hope, wish and dream?

To be able to define what is true, one would have to be able to consider every aspect of the subject matter. All data, all information, every fact that can be pluccked from every interaction our univers has to offer, down to the last detail.

Even in physics, there is a chaos factor, based on facts and descrepancies which are unmeasureable to the human being. However, if we could infact account for every single variable of, say, a pool ball traveling across a table, then in essense, we could predict the future to an accuracy of 100%, thus, obtaining objective truth in the matter.

If you find any faults with this train of logic, please inform me, and I shall repost corrections. Because I do not believe human beings have the ability to define truth forthemselves. Otherwise, all culture, and mankind, all societry would be united in truth. In essense, we would no longer have free will, the greatest power of which is to decide to ignore truth.

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Indeed a man of insight and ... COURAGE!!

Well spoken GUY!!

But you are gonna have to wrestle with a lot of Postings from a lot of "cranky" people! Be ready for i!!. However; I myself agree with the Philosopher who angrily shouted out - in earnest but dire frustration: ""WHAT IS TRUTH!".


From the Gryphon's Lair

Thanks for the support and complements.

And yes, I am ready. I have been encountering what you speak of fo rthe past 5 years of my life, if not more. I'm a more ready now than I have ever been, just as at this exact moment, I am the oldest I have ever been.

*chuckles*

It is fact that the Jews who wrote the first compilation of the bible's books were nomadic desert tribes people who maintained barbaric practices, not safisticated hidden messages foretelling the future. It is fact that the bible has been changed so many time since its inception as the Torah that it is infallible that the bible code has translated from each version accurately. Even today you can find different versions of the bible: English bible, King James, the New American, that it would be a hard enough task to not only find which version contains the bible code but to the extent of its authenticity to the claim. Also, there is no evidence of the bible codes truth. Lastly, there is no proof of god for which the bible is written about. There is, however, proof that god does not exist.

"It is fact that the Jews who wrote the first compilation of the bible's books were nomadic desert tribes people who maintained barbaric practices, not safisticated hidden messages foretelling the future. "

Yes, they did engage in barbaric pratices. Fortunately their people on a whole did not right the scripture. It was a select few chosen by God. And if God truely did inspire these words, he also had the power to keep it safe enough for the generations to come.



"It is fact that the bible has been changed so many time since its inception as the Torah that it is infallible that the bible code has translated from each version accurately. "

Your words betray you.

The bible code is only prevalent in one single language: Hebrew, which happens to be the oldest version of it. The New testament, which was written in Greek, contains no such code, due the mathematical nature of Hebrew. Ever seen the movie Pi? It has a few tidbits of info on the matematical nature of Hebrew. I suggest you do some research into that, as it is nothing but fascinating, regardless of anyones beliefs!

Even today you can find different versions of the bible: English bible, King James, the New American

All of which are in english, a language created by man, and not of of ancient untracable decent. One created a few hundred years ago.


Lastly, there is no proof of god for which the bible is written about. There is, however, proof that god does not exist.

Proof is a human concept which is depending on your belief system. On my side, I see nothing but proof every day that I live of Gods existance. On your side, the opposite. This came to me gradually through my various studies, as I did not always hold the beliefs I do now. Perhaps God choose me, and led me on a path of science that proved his existance to me. Perhaps that is because I kept an open mind, and did not make judgements, such as saying proof exists for one side or another. Perhaps it was all coincedence, though I no longer believe in such a thing.

Offer me your proof of God's non-existance, and I may very well change my mind.

And I say again,where does truth come from?

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Browbeating Old TONIC Chap!!! The TRUTH USUALLY comes from within -- WE and WE ALONE can only judge what is truth from our hearts as we ONLY can interpret the TRUTH..

Never in written words!
Never in spoken words!
We TRUST what our "gut" tells us as REAL. Our INNER CONSCIENCE is best for this because of that very Micro-Cosm that leads to the "Infinite Wisdom of Good and Just".

In TRUTH -- there is no REAL truth -- ONLY in HOW we respond to NON-Truths is where our heart that deals with the very TRUE FEELING of Moral Right from Moral WRONG!

GUILTY CONSCIENCE? HOW and WHERE did this concept come from!

Our life is nothing but a THREE DIMENSIONAL ILLUSION -- and when we "cross over" (as I have in THREE NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES) -- we see VERY CLEARLY where we came from - where we are now - and where we will be IF and ONLY IF we follow our conscience hearts and journey on that RIGHT ROAD!

And ... there never can be a REASONABLE answer to this because of such a HUGE DIVERSE way of going about searching for that very truth!

I KNOW this did not answer your question, Guy ... but a "stab in the dark" idea and concept that TRUTH is what we feel as MORAL Humans. WHERE did that morality come from? THAT again is moot for debate!

From the gryphon's Lair

Teachers, scientists, mathematicians, doctors... etc.

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I'm Sorry Guy!! ALL of the above are people who FALL UNDER CONVENTIONAL THINKING!!! TRUTH may very well be burried under the label of: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

GO TO ANY On-Line SOURCE!!

From the "raided" Gryphon;s Lair


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Is there any truth in a well excersised and trained intuition under the virtuous guidance of the search for knowledge of the creator/god of oneself/human/universe, to be able to effortlessly see through the lie of anything by feeling for the right path with knowing/knowledge...


Is there any truth in intuition?...

Is it a valid science to find the truth in all?...

The TRUTH USUALLY comes from within -- WE and WE ALONE can only judge what is truth from our hearts as we ONLY can interpret the TRUTH..

Truth, which is a infallable thing, froms from inside a fallable object?

Never in written words!
Never in spoken words!


We TRUST what our "gut" tells us as REAL. Our INNER CONSCIENCE is best for this

How does this explain social disorders then? My gut feeling tells me right now to kill you is to do a true good. If I do so, and suceed, was my feeling true? Would it be true to your family?

because of that very Micro-Cosm that leads to the "Infinite Wisdom of Good and Just".

Wait wait...you telling me there exists, in your ind, a concept of infinte wisdom and good? According to your theories, where would this infinite thing come from if we exist in a world with no outside infinite God. Our universe is rooted in limitation. We have end. We have limits. Infact, nothing in our universe in infinite at all. No matter OR energy. (Laws of thermodynamics)




In TRUTH -- there is no REAL truth

Sothe next time a muslim suicide bomber kills a family and 10 innocent children, you are going to say, "Oh well, it's was true for him, so he was justified."

If there is no Real truth as you have stated, then we are all invernters of truth. The terrorists who believe in the truths of their actions, in your theory, are correct in what they are doing. By saying that there is no real truth, you condone the actions of anyone who believe in his own mind that what he was doing was true. This iscludes the slaughter of the innocent.


-- ONLY in HOW we respond to NON-Truths is where our heart that deals with the very TRUE FEELING of Moral Right from Moral WRONG!

True felling...hmmm...can feelings ever be wrong, or lead us astray? Of course. But we evetually learn how recognize false and true feeling. Unfortunately, we can be decieved at any time by our feelings, and unless we lived forever, and gained everybit of information in the universe about this subject, we would never suceed at identifying these feelings 100% of the time. Do you see now, that if we could live forever, we would be perfect, and that to live forever, we would have to be perfect?




GUILTY CONSCIENCE? HOW and WHERE did this concept come from!

It was created in us my God. Sigmund freud refers to the three parts of the human mind as this: The Id, the Ego, and the Super ego.

They are:

What we are able to do.
What we desire to do.
And what we feel we SHOULD do.

This is why we are NOT animals, because animals do not have the "should do" as part of their psyche.

The "should do" comes from an aoutside source. And to be able to know what one "should do" 100% of the time means one is flawless in their actions. Since science does not allow anything in our eniverse to be flawless, this conecpt of truth MUST come from the incomprehensible. For perfection. From something completely from a different plain.

Our life is nothing but a THREE DIMENSIONAL ILLUSION -- and when we "cross over" (as I have in THREE NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES) -- we see VERY CLEARLY where we came from - where we are now - and where we will be IF and ONLY IF we follow our conscience hearts and journey on that RIGHT ROAD!

The insane man Believes he is the only sane person, and his "sanity" leads to his destruction. In his mind, he KNEW he could fly, and that every one else was wrong. He jumps, and he dies. He followed his heart, but it led him down the wrong road, for his death causes many pain and suffering they should never have need for feeling.


And ... there never can be a REASONABLE answer to this because of such a HUGE DIVERSE way of going about searching for that very truth!

Never say never. Once you do, you close you mind to truth. If you say, Man can never fly, when plans or technology pass your way, you will not take hold, because your mind is closed to such ideas. If you avidly believe man will never be able to fly, you will never be the one to invent human flight.

If you believe there will never be reasonable answers to this, then you will not be the one who may find such answer.

I KNOW this did not answer your question, Guy ... but a "stab in the dark" idea and concept that TRUTH is what we feel as MORAL Humans. WHERE did that morality come from? THAT again is moot for debate!

Maybe it doesn't answer it, but it is certainly appropriate topic for discussion!

And interesting fo rme to try and respond to. Thanks for any input.

this is going completely off-topic

I agree

Perhaps Arafat was stuck down with a deliberate illness. I do speculate though that perhaps his wife delayed the death anouncement to fit into a burial at the end of Ramadam. If so, who i to say that they covered the true reason of his death, either of poisonong or remote assasination to prevent a potential bloodbath in Palestine. Thus ensuing Palestinains have a fighting chance in the uture instead of being lead into a horrific slaughter event which would please those who have fed of human suffering in that region for a few thousand years or so.

Of course I said I am speculating. But this may mean there really is some fruit to bear in the currupted bible codes.

Bin Laden attacking NY in 2004?!?!?! Maybe his group but other world sources say he is dead.

http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

Can someone here detail how the bible codes are decifered?

check out....

http://www.submission.org/miracle/bible_code.html