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molo
The ancient sumerians have always interested me, coming before ancient egypt or greece, they had technological marvels to rival the later civilizations. Ther eare accusations that they had regular contact with other worldly visitors and their texts reports regular visits with "men like ourselves" coming from the stars and reptilian spacemen. At the time of the great flood, which is commonly referred to as the same similar flood as basis for the Noah's Ark story, or reality at the anceint sumerians time, who at the same time were very adept at being the first race to have a vast knowledge of the subterranean world.

It is said that they had extravagent networks beneath the earth which grew from their underground sewer system. At the great flood many of their civilization perished except for groups going underground and living there in subterranean gloom. I've always been fascinated by this mysterious race who we really don't know much about and would like to know more about their strange wonders.
HolyDevil2053
Interesting...this is the first time I have heard of them original.gif
Art Vandelay
QUOTE(HolyDevil2053 @ Nov 12 2004, 10:41 PM)
Interesting...this is the first time I have heard of them original.gif
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Are you implying that you've never heard of the ancient Sumerians????
Cobalt Demon
Hmm... must just be a rumor. No one alive today could read Sumerian language flutently, so it must has just been a very bad and poor translate job that grew into rumor.
molo
No one can read fluently , i guess the mysteries of the Sumerians are passing ever deeper into the haze of time....
Cobalt Demon
Yep... Chicago University are the only place in world where you can learn how to translate anicent sumerian language but it is very difficult and take very long time to learn how to do it and many words arent even accurate but rather just a roughly estimasite. It is pretty much as if Professor learn as they teach, that is like as trying to learn new lanaguages that you know only 5 or 6 maybe 10 words and teach it at same time. But those people make TONS of moneys because there are so many demand for those who can translate many of anicent writing by sumerian. Also it is very possible that if about 10% got translate it would change so many things. It will be very interesting to find out what happen with that in the future.
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(Cobalt Demon @ Nov 13 2004, 02:13 AM)
Hmm... must just be a rumor. No one alive today could read Sumerian language flutently, so it must has just been a very bad and poor translate job that grew into rumor.
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Zacharia Sitchen? (Claimed expert on Sumerian Hyroglyphs) - author of --

EARTH CHRONICALS

// Which are narrations of a series of research articles compiled into in the form of a sequence of books - relating to contact with "other" technologies (heretofore as yet unproven)..//
Sumerians real? Today it is called IRAQ.
I will say no more.
Advanced they were - for that period of time. Mysterious? Perhaps, in that
they seemed to have "popped up" and became 'civilized' without the usual nomadic "tent cities" to contend with. Perhaps the first people to invent BEER and the first to have a 'Meetup' group which would be compared to AA today. Sophisticated hybrid crops, animal husbandry and a few other [out of sequence] accomplishments. Sad that schools now-a-days refuse to delve into their rich history and their contribution to history of itself.

Babylon? Related -- to some extent. Pre-deluvial King lists (pre-flood).


Lay more mystery to the INDUS VALLEY Discoveries.


From the Gryphon's Lair (Web Page pending)

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gryphon_2005
QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 13 2004, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Cobalt Demon @ Nov 13 2004, 02:13 AM)
Hmm... must just be a rumor. No one alive today could read Sumerian language flutently, so it must has just been a very bad and poor translate job that grew into rumor.
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Zacharia Sitchen? (Claimed expert on Sumerian Hyroglyphs) - author of --

EARTH CHRONICALS

// Which are narrations of a series of research articles compiled into in the form of a sequence of books - relating to contact with "other" technologies (heretofore as yet unproven)..//
Sumerians real? Today it is called IRAQ.
I will say no more.
Advanced they were - for that period of time. Mysterious? Perhaps, in that
they seemed to have "popped up" and became 'civilized' without the usual nomadic "tent cities" to contend with. Perhaps the first people to invent BEER and the first to have a 'Meetup' group which would be compared to AA today. Sophisticated hybrid crops, animal husbandry and a few other [out of sequence] accomplishments. Sad that schools now-a-days refuse to delve into their rich history and their contribution to history of itself.

Babylon? Related -- to some extent. Pre-deluvial King lists (pre-flood).


Lay more mystery to the INDUS VALLEY Discoveries.


From the Gryphon's Lair (Web Page pending)

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To be precise --- Make that first statement "heretofore as YET to be proven" -- Mea Culpa on the keyboard A.R.?
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Discordia
There was another topic on this forum about the Sumerians that was posted a few days ago. It deals with Planet X, really interesting. Planet-X It gives more information on just how advanced the sumerians were. I'd suggest reading it if your interested on this subject.
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(Discordia @ Nov 13 2004, 11:56 AM)
There was another topic on this forum about the Sumerians that was posted a few days ago. It deals with Planet X, really interesting. Planet-X  It gives more information on just how advanced the sumerians were. I'd suggest reading it if your interested on this subject.
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Thank, Guy! Already have -- and the "EARTH CHRONICALS" are based on that very thing.

molo
I've read about Planet X and the Sumerians and my interest for them grows everday; i'm realy curious on their subterranean voyages and am wondering what happened to those living in the subterranea.
gryphon_2005
[quote=gryphon_2005,Nov 13 2004, 12:31 PM]
[quote=Discordia,Nov 13 2004, 11:56 AM]There was another topic on this forum about the Sumerians that was posted a few days ago. It deals with Planet X, really interesting. Planet-X It gives more information on just how advanced the sumerians were. I'd suggest reading it if your interested on this subject.
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I checked out that picture of Planet "X' -- you might want to go to NASA's SOHO site at http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/ -- that image of Planet "X" appears to be the Sun taken circa 2001.
The Hubble Space Telescope > http://hubblesite.org/ <
site seems to be stuck on "re runs" - so you will not get it there. The Math probs for planet "X" are realistic. Theory, Yes .. proof ONLY in Astrophysics right now.
BUT .. the Sumerians DID refer to it as the "Planet of the CROSSING" with an expected orbit (eliptical) of every 3600 years. Seems it may be due (or overdue as the case may be).
Maybe we had better consult the Dogons about this 'SIRIUS' situation!!

From the Gryphon's Lair

Falco Rex
As far as I'm aware the Sumerians didn't have elaborate sewer systems and subterranean tunnels. Actually, since they built their structures almost exclusively out of dried mud and had to rebuild their cities several times after heavy rain seasons it would argue against that "factoid." Mud is uniquely unsuited for building drainage systems with.. rolleyes.gif
You may be confusing Sumeria with the Harrappan civilization of India which was in existance about the same time as Sumeria. They actually did have advanced drainage and water works relative to the time period...
Then again you may be going off the Sumerian Flood legend of a king who led his people underground and built a subterranean city; which has been written down and passed on over the years(And been made in to an absolutely terrible movie in the 50's tongue.gif ).
I'd be inclined to take that story with the same grain of salt you'd give most Great Flood legends. Let's not mix up archeology with fable, or we'll lose a clear picture of the past completely..
Cobalt Demon
Falco got everything correct. Yes if we can translate Sumerian lanaguage we would solve ton of mysteries in the history. Sumerian are very interesting civilization of the history. I will write more when I get home from doing a 15 pages typing. Hell I may will start a new thread on few mysteries of this civilization.
molo
Falco, the 50s movie you are referring to was ranked as third best in the top ten scifi "lost worlds" flicks with 1 being King Kong's Skull Island and the 2nd being Lost Continent. the Subterranean portions, the palace, the caverns were impressive.
Falco Rex
Actually I was reffering to a movie called "Mole People" which had Alfred the Butler as a Sumerian priest And Ward Cleaver as one of the Archeologists..And starring the incredibly long-winded John Agar...It just wasn't good trust me..
The Lost World was about dinosaurs if I recall correctly..
molo
Yes that's the movie i'm referring to. There's no other movie.
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The Sumerians were adapt in making sewer systems.
Falco Rex
As much as it pains me to be wrong; after looking into it more I've found that the Sumerians did indeed have sewr systems. Proving that even I learn something new every day.. huh.gif
Still a bad movie though. Unless you enjoy pasty white Sumerians in elf costumes.. tongue.gif
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(molo @ Nov 13 2004, 11:03 PM)
Falco, the 50s movie you are referring to was ranked as third best in the top ten scifi "lost worlds" flicks with 1 being King Kong's Skull Island and the 2nd being Lost Continent. the Subterranean portions, the palace, the caverns were impressive.
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Would we be better off in the '50s watching SCI FI Movies about 2004? Or being in 2004 watching re-runs of what we now consider ridiculous!? Flash Gordon with stringed up rocket ships belching steam -- or now pictures of earth taken from space?
Right now ---- conventional knowledge of SPACE, History, Archeology, Oceanography and all avenues of what we learned in school -- have changed drastically in forty years. To many -- the Sumerians were a mud-bricked civilization that held no torch to us. To me there was a unique culture that produced treasures of politics, civilization - literature that would make even scholars blush in embarassment - and myths that somehow corelate with Astronomical knowledge we have just recently achieved. Even the DOGON causes one to wonder. Their knowledge of Sirius "B" and its orbital parameters - Passed on by a hand full of Missionaries?? I doubt it!

Computers the size of rooms in the 60's and 70's - to the tiny little hand held we have today. Remarkable COSMIC LEAP in forty years plus. Yet if we were to go back in time and tell those Fanatics at Salem that man walked on the moon -- we know what would happen! BAR-BE-QUE!!

All things relative ... it is ONLY an open mind that will prevent the terrible torches from burning down the treasures of prehistoric and historic civilizations again. But with measured doses of "Correctness" now blazing up the torches once again -- I fear for OUR OWN legacy!

From the Gryphon's Lair
molo
Falco, you don't know bad movies; Mole People may sound cheesy to this generation because of the "hip" trend media had molded peoples minds of the past decade giving what's cool and what's not. Trends pass and change through time and back at the time of the movie, the view was very different from being today and you shouldn't scoff about things like that. It showed an imaginitive view of a new world beneath our own and possible what-ifs about the glimpses of the Sumerian mysteries. After all we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the past.
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(molo @ Nov 14 2004, 07:31 PM)
Falco, you don't know bad movies; Mole People may sound cheesy to this generation because of the "hip" trend media had molded peoples minds of the past decade giving what's cool and what's not. Trends pass and change through time and back at the time of the movie, the view was very different from being today and you shouldn't scoff about things like that. It showed an imaginitive view of a new world beneath our own and possible what-ifs about the glimpses of the Sumerian mysteries. After all we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the past.
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I strongly prefer old Boris Karloff and Lon Chaney movies myself!!!
However - one good movie was "Forbidden Planet" --- ahead of its time!
Don't get me wrong - I love curling up to a good movie - black and white even. But my original point was the CHANGES that have come and gone .. in 40 years look where science has gone - as compared to two thousand years prior. SOMETHING helped that leap .. and it was not necessarily George Lucas!!!

From the Gryphon's Lair

molo
Forbidden Planet is a beautiful movie, from the beginning segment of the spaceship floating toward the planet with the cold mysterious "BWEEEP..... BWEOOOOP" sounds to the tempestuous end, it is based off Shakespeare's The Tempest.
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(molo @ Nov 15 2004, 08:42 PM)
Forbidden Planet is a beautiful movie, from the beginning segment of the spaceship floating toward the planet with the cold mysterious "BWEEEP..... BWEOOOOP" sounds to the tempestuous end, it is based off Shakespeare's The Tempest.
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Ah Indeed! Shakespeare's TEMPEST!
The movie introduced "ELECTRONIC SOUND" as replacement for music. Like the FOUR CHANNEL STEREO system of the ORIENT -- which was negated in this country ... all things fleeting!! That movie reminded us of our "shortfalls" of our OWN PERSONAL 'ID' to deal with!. HOW nice it would be to create (from the mind) our favorite DISH -- but somehow our secret little aggravated 'ID'' intervenes and destroys our neighbor's Bar-Be-Que and all that he is ... and even ourselves when we HATE!!

Sorry Guys! We are so close to home with this .. it makes ... makes things a little awkward!!! Sheesh!!! You caught me at a low in my ..... response!!

HOWEVER! The effects were superior! Special effects .. and an adorable ROBOT named "ROBBY" that went on to star in many other movies! I would like his ROYALTIES!!!!

Now .... WHERE did these ideas REALLY come from???

From the Gryphon's Lair (fermented with the favors of Bacchus!)
[Mellowed from the sounds of the EARLY 60's!!]
molo
A special edition dvd of this will come out 2005 which i'm sure to pick up.
Hotoke
everything we know about the sumerians are based on zecharia sitchin's theory's but how reliable are those?
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 17 2004, 04:58 PM)

everything we know about the sumerians are based on zecharia sitchin's theory's but how reliable are those?
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He IS a recognized Scholar and Professor of Sumerian Linguistics --

Of course - with ANY Heiroglyphics - there may be more than one meaning to the actual translations.

The Gryph
Hotoke
QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 18 2004, 02:56 AM)
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 17 2004, 04:58 PM)

everything we know about the sumerians are based on zecharia sitchin's theory's but how reliable are those?
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He IS a recognized Scholar and Professor of Sumerian Linguistics --

Of course - with ANY Hyroglyphics - there may be more than one meaning to the actual translations.

The Gryph
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hmm i disagree read the following article



Source: http://www.bibleufo.com/sitchin.htm


Works of Zechariah Sitchin
Fact or Fiction?

The Bible UFO Connection receives numerous requests for our thoughts on the work of Zechariah Sitchin and our work is often associated with his. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In order to better understand Sitchin's work
, we have done research into his background and standing in the archeological field he claims to possess such a unique understanding and perspective in. He has come up lacking in either credentials, expertise or respect in the field he claims such knowledge. Our concern relates to his particularly grandiose claim that the Bible is nothing more than an ancient plagiarism of Sumerian text, which he also asserts nullifies virtually all other ancient writings in the known world.
Zechariah Sitchin’s claim that the Bible is nothing more than a copy of Sumerian writings is, in part, premised on the assumption that, "The Nefilim are a humanoid technology superior race from another galaxy who have used their own genes to create the human race together with the genes of Homo Erectus." This concept, created by Zechariah Sitchin and advanced by many others, is purely theoretical. The assertion by Sitchin that the Nefilim were alien beings based on the interpretation of a word found in the Bible is fraudulent. In his words: "Nefilim, the name by which those extraordinary beings, the sons of the gods were known, means literally, "Those who have come down to Earth from the heavens." There are no theological or scholarly references to validate this definition. The proper definition of the word is, actually, very simple and to the point: From the Hebrew, Strongs Exhaustive Concordance: giants, Nephilim, nphiyl pronounced nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:
But, fraudulent use of ancient language by Mr. Sitchin is not restricted to the Hebrew, as he is well known by his peers to mix and match Akkadian and Sumerian word-syllables to suit his theories. Even though he possesses no credentials in the interpretation of ancient Sumerian clay tablets he uses as the basis for his theories, and while claiming to be self-taught in its rendering, he makes the incredible claim that he alone can read these works properly. He totally disregards the abilities of all others in this field to understand the true meanings of the text and stands alone in his beliefs. Astronomers, scientific archaeologists, and ancient linguistic scholars familiar with his work consider him as inexperienced and uneducated.
He refuses to reveal his evidence dismissing, without comment, allegations of fraudulent representations and considers all critics of his work simply uninformed about the unique understanding he alone possesses about the true ancestry of mankind. Though presenting highly controversial claims, none of his books contain a reference section or footnotes. He refuses to validate his theories by simply ignoring justifiable requests for credible documentation. His work demonstrates no recognizable knowledge of anthropology, archeology, theology or astronomy. There is clear evidence of plagiarism, mixing of languages, ignorance of basic fundamentals of Sumerian and Akkadian grammar, misquotes, fictions, speculations, and mistranslations of many ancient works in his books and writings. He has no credibility with any of the experts in Sumerian translations whom he refuses to debate and shows no respect for.
Sitchin entered the field of Sumerian text translation with a degree in economic history and a short career as a journalist and nothing more. With these credentials alone, he claims he has proven that all of the world's ancient cultural narrations are simple copies of the one work he claims to be the basis for all human history. And, as the sole correct interpreter, he has set himself up literally as the sole source for the truth in all human history. This fact alone should raise red flags in abundance, yet, few seem to care to check the facts instead accepting his every word as fact.
In truth Sitchin’s work is benefactor of a time-tested truism. Any lie told often enough will eventually be accepted as a truth. Sitchin’s fictions have been “grand fathered in” by the sheer extent and the years of exposure his work has received and the many other authors who have copied his false assumptions. One simply needs to do research outside his own writings to see that there is no credibility gap. There is, in fact, no credibility at all.
For all those who question why this work does not include the works of Sitchin nor use them as a reference source, this should now be clear. For those who would like to do their own research, we have included some resourses

molo
So all our knowledge of the Sumerians derives from someones "theory"? That's very weak convincing.
hamellr
QUOTE(molo @ Nov 18 2004, 01:59 AM)
So all our knowledge of the Sumerians derives from someones "theory"? That's very weak convincing.
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But it's all we've got to work on at this time. Science works that way. Theory is the truth until it's proven different. It's also the reason there is so much in fighting between Archeologists, each is trying to get their pet theory funded to prove or disprove it and leads to bitter rivalries.

I for one like the theory that Sumerian Myth was the orgin of the Old Testement.

molo
And i guess the actual ruins and texts in the present day Middle east are just to take up space.
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 17 2004, 04:58 PM)
everything we know about the sumerians are based on zecharia sitchin's theory's but how reliable are those?
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NOT everything, Guy -- he just helped along a little more of what the Scholars have been pulling their hair out trying to translate and make sense out of -- for many years.

For those who DO NOT know -- Ancient Sumeria is now modern day IRAQ.

Now it is a country with ruins upon the ruins!!

Remember that there is also a link to ancient Babylon, and some other kingdoms.

From the Gryphon's Lair

gryphon_2005
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 17 2004, 06:37 PM)
QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 18 2004, 02:56 AM)
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 17 2004, 04:58 PM)

everything we know about the sumerians are based on zecharia sitchin's theory's but how reliable are those?
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He IS a recognized Scholar and Professor of Sumerian Linguistics --

Of course - with ANY Hyroglyphics - there may be more than one meaning to the actual translations.

The Gryph
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hmm i disagree read the following article



Source: http://www.bibleufo.com/sitchin.htm


Works of Zechariah Sitchin
Fact or Fiction?

The Bible UFO Connection receives numerous requests for our thoughts on the work of Zechariah Sitchin and our work is often associated with his. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In order to better understand Sitchin's work
, we have done research into his background and standing in the archeological field he claims to possess such a unique understanding and perspective in. He has come up lacking in either credentials, expertise or respect in the field he claims such knowledge. Our concern relates to his particularly grandiose claim that the Bible is nothing more than an ancient plagiarism of Sumerian text, which he also asserts nullifies virtually all other ancient writings in the known world.
Zechariah Sitchin’s claim that the Bible is nothing more than a copy of Sumerian writings is, in part, premised on the assumption that, "The Nefilim are a humanoid technology superior race from another galaxy who have used their own genes to create the human race together with the genes of Homo Erectus." This concept, created by Zechariah Sitchin and advanced by many others, is purely theoretical. The assertion by Sitchin that the Nefilim were alien beings based on the interpretation of a word found in the Bible is fraudulent. In his words: "Nefilim, the name by which those extraordinary beings, the sons of the gods were known, means literally, "Those who have come down to Earth from the heavens." There are no theological or scholarly references to validate this definition. The proper definition of the word is, actually, very simple and to the point: From the Hebrew, Strongs Exhaustive Concordance: giants, Nephilim, nphiyl pronounced nef-eel' or nphil {nef-eel'}; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:
But, fraudulent use of ancient language by Mr. Sitchin is not restricted to the Hebrew, as he is well known by his peers to mix and match Akkadian and Sumerian word-syllables to suit his theories. Even though he possesses no credentials in the interpretation of ancient Sumerian clay tablets he uses as the basis for his theories, and while claiming to be self-taught in its rendering, he makes the incredible claim that he alone can read these works properly. He totally disregards the abilities of all others in this field to understand the true meanings of the text and stands alone in his beliefs. Astronomers, scientific archaeologists, and ancient linguistic scholars familiar with his work consider him as inexperienced and uneducated.
He refuses to reveal his evidence dismissing, without comment, allegations of fraudulent representations and considers all critics of his work simply uninformed about the unique understanding he alone possesses about the true ancestry of mankind. Though presenting highly controversial claims, none of his books contain a reference section or footnotes. He refuses to validate his theories by simply ignoring justifiable requests for credible documentation. His work demonstrates no recognizable knowledge of anthropology, archeology, theology or astronomy. There is clear evidence of plagiarism, mixing of languages, ignorance of basic fundamentals of Sumerian and Akkadian grammar, misquotes, fictions, speculations, and mistranslations of many ancient works in his books and writings. He has no credibility with any of the experts in Sumerian translations whom he refuses to debate and shows no respect for.
Sitchin entered the field of Sumerian text translation with a degree in economic history and a short career as a journalist and nothing more. With these credentials alone, he claims he has proven that all of the world's ancient cultural narrations are simple copies of the one work he claims to be the basis for all human history. And, as the sole correct interpreter, he has set himself up literally as the sole source for the truth in all human history. This fact alone should raise red flags in abundance, yet, few seem to care to check the facts instead accepting his every word as fact.
In truth Sitchin’s work is benefactor of a time-tested truism. Any lie told often enough will eventually be accepted as a truth. Sitchin’s fictions have been “grand fathered in” by the sheer extent and the years of exposure his work has received and the many other authors who have copied his false assumptions. One simply needs to do research outside his own writings to see that there is no credibility gap. There is, in fact, no credibility at all.
For all those who question why this work does not include the works of Sitchin nor use them as a reference source, this should now be clear. For those who would like to do their own research, we have included some resourses
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Point taken, Pal --- time would ONLY tell if many of what is ascertained above is true or just opinionated. As for me -- I am neither for nor against all claims of Dr. Sitchen. ONE Web page is opinionated. I should like to see the Scholars and their opinions before I form my own conclusions.

The point of the matter is that Sumeria had its "kick start" to civilization far more earlier (and quicker [IT SEEMS]) than the normal progression of time --

Yet once again I see another WEB Site that has "Bible" and "UFO" in the same address [http://www.bibleufo.com/sitchin.htm] - and oft times I grow weary of the "chase", and wary of the intent!

Gryph

molo
yes yes they had a kick-start very much, they seem even MORE advanced than the Greeks and Romans, i would like to know more of their mysteries but they've been shrouded in the sands of time in the ancient world...
LarryOldtimer
Actually, a great deal is known about the Sumerians, and not from Sitchen either. They did indeed have an advanced civilization by any meaning of the term. Not only did they build three story buildings, but had a true arch as well. Their mathematical system was complex indeed, having a base of 60 rather than our 10 based math. Imagine, not 10 symbols to remember, but 59 of them (the zero was represented by a blank space rather than a symbol. They made tables to make it easier for common use. They could and did calculate areas and volumes, and could calculate square roots and cube roots. Indeed advanced. They also had a codified law, codified on many clay tablets, with even the concept of case history. They are the ones who gave us the 360 degree compass, and surveyed individual property holdings with bearings and measured distances, and title was kept on those same clay tablets, much like the abstracts which are used to prove ownership even today. At one point in time, they adopted a "silver standard" and had government fixed prices and wages. They wrote contracts to cover all aspects of life, and the number of records is truly huge.

The problem with finding about them is that no one has ever written a complex history. There are many hundreds of thousand clay tablets untranslated. Most of them are only government records, however. To date, the emphasis of those who can translate Sumerian (and there are few of them) has been on texts of literary value . . . poems and the like. So to find out about this marvelous advanced civilization one has to look at many, many history texts, picking out the bits and pieces here and there. A pity that, as it is a whole lot of work and time consuming. Nevertheless, the references are there in standard texts of ancient history.
gryphon_2005
QUOTE(LarryOldtimer @ Nov 28 2004, 01:50 AM)
Actually, a great deal is known about the Sumerians, and not from Sitchen either.  They did indeed have an advanced civilization by any meaning of the term.  Not only did they build three story buildings, but had a true arch as well.  Their mathematical system was complex indeed, having a base of 60 rather than our 10 based math.  Imagine, not 10 symbols to remember, but 59 of them (the zero was represented by a blank space rather than a symbol.  They made tables to make it easier for common use.  They could and did calculate areas and volumes, and could calculate square roots and cube roots.  Indeed advanced.  They also had a codified law, codified on many clay tablets, with even the concept of case history.  They are the ones who gave us the 360 degree compass, and surveyed individual property holdings with bearings and measured distances, and title was kept on those same clay tablets, much like the abstracts which are used to prove ownership even today.  At one point in time, they adopted a "silver standard" and had government fixed prices and wages.  They wrote contracts to cover all aspects of life, and the number of records is truly huge.

The problem with finding about them is that no one has ever written a complex history.  There are many hundreds of thousand clay tablets untranslated.  Most of them are only government records, however.  To date, the emphasis of those who can translate Sumerian (and there are few of them) has been on texts of literary value . . . poems and the like.  So to find out about this marvelous advanced civilization one has to look at many, many history texts, picking out the bits and pieces here and there.  A pity that, as it is a whole lot of work and time consuming.  Nevertheless, the references are there in standard texts of ancient history.
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You are very correct -- and all available info SHOULD BE researched objectively.

But one with patience can be rewarded with a literature treasure that only objective scholars (and those curious) could appreciate!!

The Epic of Gilgamesh is one!!
[ H/W: http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/ ]

From the Gryphon's Lair



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