PsionicArchon
Nov 13 2004, 01:15 AM
Is god really as powerful as we picture it as could there be a biger fish. I beleave there is a biger fish and god isint what we think it is if it evin exists what do the rest of you think.
Darkwind
Nov 13 2004, 01:34 AM
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Is god really as powerful as we picture it as could there be a biger fish. I beleave there is a biger fish and god isint what we think it is if it evin exists what do the rest of you think
Spell Check, I love it. I am a bad speller, but with spell check I look smarter than I am.
I think that is one of those things that is in the eye of the be holder, as a Pagan I say yes; the Gods have Gods. As far as is he what we think he is: that must be an infinite question. It all boils down to your point of view. Kind of like Schoulders(sp) Cat you have to open the box to find out if the cat is still a live.
DrStrangelove
Nov 13 2004, 03:42 AM
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think that is one of those things that is in the eye of the be holder
The answer is not what ones opinion is on the subject. You can't look at a tree and say "whether or not this tree is here is in the eye of the beholder". If Gods exists than God exists. It is not up to someones opinion. If gods have gods, then gods have gods. It is not up to someones opinion.
Darkwind
Nov 13 2004, 01:50 PM
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You can't look at a tree and say "whether or not this tree is here is in the eye of the beholder".
Yes, but you can go out and cut the tree down and make a chair out of and sit in it. Can you go out and cut down a God and make a chair out of him? It is about Faith. Can I prove God is there? No, I know they are there, but I can't take you out in my back yard and say there is Daga. See his club. I might see him but unless you are on the same plain you are not going to see him. All you will see is a nut in his back yard pointing and talking at nothing. It all comes down to Faith. Is the cat dead or is the cat alive don't know until you open the box. As long as he is in the box he is in both states, he is alive and dead.

Actually nothing is as we see it. We are adapted to see the Universe in a certain way so our clump energy can go on being a living clump of energy and not a dead clump of energy.
Zaus
Nov 13 2004, 10:39 PM
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Darkwind Posted Yesterday, 05:34 PM
Kind of like Schoulders(sp) Cat you have to open the box to find out if the cat is still a live.
It's Schroders Cat.
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DrStrangelove Posted Yesterday, 07:42 PM
You can't look at a tree and say "whether or not this tree is here is in the eye of the beholder".
According to the theory of special relativity everything is relative to the observer meaning if you cant see something it doesn't exist. So until you saw the tree it didnt exist in your reality. Thats what Schroders Cat is... you put a cat in a box and since you cant see it(in quantum physics if a particle has the ability to go in 2 directions both those directions MUST be possible at the same point in time.) the cat is both alive and dead at the same time.
firefemme1202
Nov 14 2004, 05:25 AM
QUOTE(DrStrangelove @ Nov 12 2004, 09:42 PM)
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think that is one of those things that is in the eye of the be holder
The answer is not what ones opinion is on the subject. You can't look at a tree and say "whether or not this tree is here is in the eye of the beholder". If Gods exists than God exists. It is not up to someones opinion. If gods have gods, then gods have gods. It is not up to someones opinion.
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You can't take something tangible and compare it to something intangible, that would be like comparing the reality of an orange and the smell of an orange. Like Zaus said, to a person who can't smell the orange, his reality is different than that of a person who CAN smell the orange. But they can both SEE the orange. But God is different, no one can see God. God is not tangible.
I think life is greater than God. If you ask a mother, this woman who has a living child, and you were to ask her, what is greater, who has the most value, almost every mother (who truly loves her child) would say her child. It's this feeling that what was made from the mother has more value because of the love the mother has for what is partly her, but not her. So I see it with the being that created our universe. The universe is the child of the creator...therefore, if you one could actually ask the creator...or God...which is greater, more valuable....I have no doubt the answer would be Life...the universe is the life born from the creator.
Welf
Nov 14 2004, 03:07 PM
PsionicArchon
Is god really as powerful as we picture it as could there be a biger fish. I beleave there is a biger fish and god isint what we think it is if it evin exists what do the rest of you think.
I don't think it really matters at all if god isn't what we think god is or even if god exists... Basically, god is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the combination is locked up in the safe. Bummer eh?
Welf
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Art Vandelay
Nov 14 2004, 03:53 PM
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It's Schroders Cat.
HEHE, it's actually "Schrodinger's Cat".
Falco Rex
Nov 14 2004, 04:46 PM
I'd say there's something out there infinitely more powerful than any God you'd care to name..The Human Mind.
moe eubleck
Nov 14 2004, 04:50 PM
This depends entirely upon who's mind is the subject.
Falco Rex
Nov 14 2004, 04:56 PM
True, but I'm ignoring the minds on this site for the sake of making an analogy...
CatAstrofix
Nov 14 2004, 05:07 PM
To be able to say if there's someone more powerful than god, one should be able to show exactly how powerful the god is, and which god are we comparing to? In the history there's been so many gods, one more powerful than the other.. Like all questions about god, this comes down to the "believe what you choose".
Darkwind
Nov 14 2004, 09:55 PM
Moe said:QUOTE
This depends entirely upon who's mind is the subject.
We are all living in Moe's mind.

I am just a little brain cell in Moe's brain. Having a dream that I am sitting at a computer.
Zaus
Nov 17 2004, 05:18 AM
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Art Vandelay Posted Nov 14 2004, 07:53 AM
HEHE, it's actually "Schrodinger's Cat".
Thank you for correcting me, the only website I could find on Schrodinger's Cat had the name spelt wrong.
Isaac Lucado
Nov 17 2004, 05:41 AM
"dos god exist?" we ask ourselves. "Is he power source?"
But human, should't we look into ourselves to find
the true power? sort of like Falco Rex is saying.
But if we (human) find if there is no god, then we've
been making up fairy tales and crap. Yes?
If thats the case, then humans are dumb and ignorant
and wish to live in another world were ther is god.
The Coyote agrees.
the master theologian
Nov 17 2004, 06:09 PM
There is not another entity that is more powerful than God.
God is the most powerful being in the universe!
And, Isaac, what are you talking about?
Diebytheflyguy
Nov 18 2004, 08:51 PM
I'd say a Hurricane, blackhole, volcano (etc) is more powerful than God.
the master theologian
Nov 18 2004, 11:59 PM
superman? Batman?
Captain Planet? BTW:
I sware I just heard of that I never saw it.
Insight
Nov 19 2004, 01:26 AM
Only God himself is more powerful than God himself. A paradox? A thought circle? No, be the power of thje infinately mighty I believe does have the ability to limit himself. Example: Humans have free will. God has limited himself in intervening in every aspect of our lives.
Insight
Nov 19 2004, 01:30 AM
Interesting that some earth worshippers on this site would believe that hurricanes, vocanoes, or black holes (Things which God himself created and has recorded in his WORD for us) would be more powerful than God. None of those things have a conscious mind, or an eternal soul, or any type of spirit. How could these things by themselves create themselves.
Selfsubnstantiation does not exist in the space-time that we exist in, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics. (Energy exists in a state pattern of high to low.)
Diebytheflyguy
Nov 19 2004, 02:17 AM
QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 18 2004, 08:30 PM)
Interesting that some earth worshippers on this site would believe that hurricanes, vocanoes, or black holes (Things which God himself created and has recorded in his WORD for us) would be more powerful than God. None of those things have a conscious mind, or an eternal soul, or any type of spirit. How could these things by themselves create themselves.
Selfsubnstantiation does not exist in the space-time that we exist in, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics. (Energy exists in a state pattern of high to low.)
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I'm not an earth worshipper.
What I mean by this site, is that hurricanes, blackholes, volcanos are more powerful than God because I have no belief in God and therefore I have no reason to believe God is the creator of these natural fear machines.
Mishari
Nov 19 2004, 10:34 AM
No there isn't someone more powerful than god. We just assume there is someone more powerful or there is someone that created God because of the logical things we live and see here in this world....you know, like where did a chair come from where was it's original source...a tree and so on. But God is a different thing, God is THE creator of everything and HAS NO partners or other sources that link his power...he is THE superior of all....The Main Source of Everything.
Insight
Nov 19 2004, 09:06 PM
"I'm not an earth worshipper.
What I mean by this site, is that hurricanes, blackholes, volcanos are more powerful than God because I have no belief in God and therefore I have no reason to believe God is the creator of these natural fear machines. "
Mere acknoledgement of a power greater than yourself and the study or persuit of it is worship. Also, the above thought is a circle and negates it's self. If you have no belief in God, they you cannot reason to say what is more powerful than Him. The mere statement reasons that you can at least consciously imgine if he did exist, compare it to your belief that he does not exist, and then reason the biggest forces in our world that you have observed.
If one can imagine something, it paves way for it's existing to be proven true, because belief in perception becomes individual reality. This draws the importance of seeking knowledge and wisdom at every conventional and unconventional turn, in order to expand our imaginations, and thus expand our perceptions of what is, and might be true.
Dead people cannot become alive again according to your belief. This is proven in the fact that nobody you have ever seen, or heard of has ever done so.
However, if you were witness to a deceased relative rising from death and living again, you imagination would be forced to account for it in some way, and you mind would expand to accept new theories that were previously unavailable for your belief in.
chico del nacho
Nov 19 2004, 09:13 PM
the thing more powerful then god has been whispered about before..."god's landlady." a typical exchange, excerpted from an audio recording in the preconception of the bible, has this:
GOD: AND LO, I SHALL MAKE A WORLD IN MINE OWN IMAGE, AND IT SHALL BE GOO-
*sounds of knocking*
G: WHAT?
GOD'S LANDLADY: Are you using a hotplate in there?
G: NO, I DON'T OWN A HOTPLATE.
GL: Are you making a world filled with living creatures to be at your beck and call?
G: NO...GO AWAY...
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