What is the Church of Satan guys? What does it entail to be a Satanist? Are they supposed to do evil? Any Satanists in the forum?

What are your opinions guys?

You worship satan.
You drink blood, perform rituals where you
have sex, and you must obey satan which will
eventually lead to your death.

Church of satan? never heard of it.
I heard of Haloween.

Does that mean that Xians never suffer physical death?

What does Halloween have to do with this?

Here's a link to soil your pure Christian eyes:

www.churchofsatan.com

Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan. Over the course of time, Man has called this Force by many names, and it has been reviled by those whose very nature causes them to be separate from this fountainhead of existence. They live in obsessive envy of we who exist by flowing naturally with the dread Prince of Darkness. It is for this reason that individuals who resonate with Satan have always been an alien elite, often outsiders in cultures whose masses pursue solace in an external deity. We Satanists are our own Gods, and we are the explorers of the Left-Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right-Hand Path.

Satanists and the CHURCH of Satan must not have anything to do with drinking blood and worship animal-sacrifices and s.o.!

Many understand the poltics of Satanism as a contrary stream to the way of life many christians do live. satanists don't want to be regulated by the rules of christianity and want to speak tthemselves free from all the constrictions and prohibitions religious live brings with it. Remember the born again christians in the US: No drugs, no sex, no free living - but only a way of live ruled by the laws of their church. In areas and times where people are oppressed since their chidhood with a system of believe their parents decided for them ( and remember how often violence and also se4xual violence happens under the cloak of a religious live!!!), you will ever find these contrary tendencies! Greets MrFree

I have a friend who is a satanist. Well, at least I think she's still satanist.

Let me stress the point that Satanism the religion has absolutely nothing to do with the Christian Satan. At least, that's what my friend told me. Satanism is a religion completely apart from Christianity.

That's interesting. I thought that Satan is a product of christianity. Who it prince of the darkness if not the one mentioned in the bible?
I've heard sometimes that satanism, and worshipping satan are two different things, is that so?

I don't think Satan actually origonates in Christianity....like a great many parts of it, he was actually stolen from a previous belief system. Almost all of the "villains" in Christianity, actually existed previously as the benevolent dieties of other religions

This was a design tool used by early christians to get people to convert, by portraying their current gods as evil and whatnot

here's something to ponder:
"But who prays for satan, who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner who needed it most?"
Mark Twain i believe

Apparently there's a satanic bible also published by LeVey which has many christians a bit peeved but the book itself is more like ideology and philosophy then an actual "bible"

Anyway, LeVey's church of Satan basically centers around the ideas of being an individual and a leader rather then a mindless follower; being someone who strives for oneself and his/her own gains and pleasures. It really does a nice job justifying it all too.

It's true, Christianity and Satanism are unrelated. The Christians did not create the word Satan I think it came from Greek or Latin, maybe someone can help me with that. I can probably talk to a couple of my friends who are satanists later, one of them owns a copy of the Satanic Bible by Anton Lavey even! But another one who calls herself a 'nihilistic satanist' basically told me the other day that Satanism is about doing what you want, but realising that what you do could lead you in a bad way. So it's like, if you want to murder someone, do it, but realise that if you do murder someone, you will most likely go to jail, and that is not good, so really it's better not to murder someone. So in other words it's about embracing the 'Satan' in you, or doing as you desire. Not feeling remorse is also a part of it, and the golden rule of Satanism ironically enough is:
"Do unto others as they do unto you"
All this crap about dancing around fires and chanting about demons and summoning Satan, well I'll admit, some people do it, but that is not Satanism. It's a media-created perception of Satanism, in the late 80's to early 90's that was paticularly popular to look on Satanists as 'devil-worshippers', if you watch some TV from that time I'm sure you'll understand what I mean.
LINK
And of course Wikipedia..

I will ask my friends who are Satanists more about it tomorrow and I will see what I can find out from them.
EDIT: Oh and the second half of The Satanic Bible by Lavey has got magic in it, but it's not like the most important part..

And that's the main reason the Chrisitian Church percieves this organization as both evil and a threat.

Gotta love pagans.

This world, this cosmos, this universe, this existence, or however else you want to call it, is not permeated neither motivated by the Dark Force you call Satan. Leaving aside religious definitions (that seem to confuse a lot of people around here) and moving directly to the core, we agree that there are two sides, Good and Evil. Good is what brings construction, creation, progress, freedom, love, understanding, meaning. It's what brings to an individual (and to any extended total) a surfacing of faith, courage, trust, belief, and all the values that exist within. Ultimately, it brings completion. For all that to happen, there is a very important condition-which is the very core of Goodness. That is, you can't be happy alone. You can be happy only with others, and only by doing good to others. Happiness, when it's divided, it's multiplied.

On the other hand, Evil is by definition the exact opposite. Evil is what brings destruction, dismay, regress, slavery (with all the meanings of the word), hate, emptiness. It's what brings to an individual (and to any extended total) a surfacing of disbelief, cowardice, false hope, false power, false meaning, false existence. And for all that to happen, and here comes the very core of Evilness, the condition is: Selfishness; hatred; lack of respect towards others. You can't be happy alone, but you can be very miserable all by yourself...


With these words alone, you indicate exactly how much of a non-elite satanists are, how much of slaves they are to those who guide them, making them believe they are gods, and how much satanists bow before the myths and fictions created by these few "smart ones" that guide them..
If you are an elite, why do you need to belong somewhere? Why do you need to belong to something that believes itself to be the elite? Why does the "elite" feel the need to call itself "the elite"?



Ahh, now you come to the point of the issue...It's really tragic, really sad, to see how this organization called Church (as in Catholic Church, Orthodox Church and so on) that throughout the centuries was guided and ruled by thugs and criminals (and by very few good men and women) has cause such unbelivable harm to Christianity. I don't know for what reasons, but it seems that in USA the problem is much more serious than in Europe. I really can't believe how many people have turned their back on Christianity because of the lies and manipulation the "official church" has imposed. It's really a pity, not to be able to distinguish the difference between Christianity and Church...Pity, but unfortunately understandable..





I try to make sense by combining these two with the quote earlier that said "..an alien elite...We Satanists are our own Gods...We do not bow down before the myths and fictions..."
Well, what can I say? You don't bow before the myths and fictions, only before LAPD?

That's it...I think I'm done posting in Spirituality for a while...

Uhh, not sure if you thought so or not...but I didn't type the quote above...I just cut and pasted from the Church of Satan's site to give the author of this thread an idea of what they're about. Personally, I don't agree with it

Probably because Europe has been around, as a culture, far longer than the US has...we've had much more time to progress socially, and strike a balance between spiritual and social beliefs. We realise where one stops, and the other begins...this doesn't seem to be the case in the US.

The fact the people could vote for their President, regardless of how much of a screw up he is, based on the fact he's a Christian pretty much says it all..As a society, the US is a good many generations away from achieving the same level of social evolution that much of Europe has in regards to attitudes towards spiritual beliefs.

Oh! Sorry..Lol. I thought it reflected your opinion on the matter. Well, good you clarified it



Yes, this is very true. Even if it seems irrelevant to judge the present based on the extension of the past, still I think that the collective "experience" let's say does matter.

Excuse me? Just because one belief set does that, doesnt mean every other pagan religion does. Some have very strict rules.

And I agree... why be a mindless sheep? That's exactly what made me denounce christianity. Being called one. I hated it and felt that I am deffinatly not. So I found my own path. No ministers, priests, or covents, or churches. Just myself.

As for the meaning of Satan...

Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin Satn, from Greek Satanas, Satan, from Hebrew n, devil, adversary, from an, to accuse, act as adversary. See n in Semitic Roots.

So basicaly the word Satan just means "an adversary" Which makes the Church of Satan, the Church of Adversary. hehe

I really feel there is much to much speculation in the string of posts. There are alot of opinions, but not too many facts. Anyone can have an opinion, but for that opinion to influence otehrs in this day and age, it much be backed up by tangible proof.

We have all been lied to. We have been lied to in school, by our parents, by govenment authorities, and by a populaous who doesn't know any better.

Everything we see on the news and in mass media is a scam. Everything the govenment tells you is a lie or a half truth.

We have been lied to about the true nature of our reality.
We have been lied to about what the human being it, and what the animal being is.

The essence of ignorance is believing we are wise.
The essence of stupidity is trusting our own abilities.

Dig for the facts that are off the beaten path. Dig for the truths which mainstream tells us are un-rue. Salmon fufill their desiny by swimming against the current, upstream.

And don't be afraid to open your mind and heart to an all-powerful, and loving God. The process in which you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

If there would be any source of truth in this world, don't you think it would come from a being who knows, and is able to know every fact, detail, and mystery of every single aspect of life on planet earth?

Haha. Sorry I don't mean to laugh - but I found the ignorance in this reply staggering. All do respect - please take no offense. I think you might want to read up on the subject.

I am glad there are some folks on this message board that had correct information to offer.

Satanism has nothing to do with blood or Halloween. In fact Halloween is a Christian holiday that was derived from Samhain (the Celtic New Year). This was done in an effort to eliminate Pagan holidays.

I for one do not believe in Satanism. But I know enough about it to understand there are a lot of misconceptions about it.

Accually the day after is the christian holiday, All Saints Day.

Halloween, though a failed attempt, is still very pagan (for those who celebrate it), and very commercial.

I have to disagree. Halloween was created by Christians as "All Hallows Eve" or now "Halloween" on the Oct 31st, and "All Saints Day" on Nov1. - in an attempt to replace the Pagan holiday Samhain which also started on October 31 (the day the veil between the dead and living is thin) and continues to Nov 1 (the New Year and end of the harvest).

Today's Halloween is in no way celebrated as Samhain was - or should be. The Romans and Christians took variations of the holiday Samhain (such as costumes) and added other "tradtions" - but changed the title of the holiday and how it was celebrated according to the Celtic traditions.

The true meaning of Samhain was to celebrate the night before the new year (Oct 31) to honor the spirits, they would leave offerings in order to prevent the dead from ruining crops or causing other other mischief (later this was converted to trick or treat by the Christians)... Samhain continued through the next day (Nov 1.) and that day was to be celebrated as the ending of the harvest - and the New Year. The Celts would sacrifice animals and offer food to the Celtic deities.

Halloween, although derived from Samhain is NOT the same. And I agree Halloween is very commercial, but not the Samhain version.

Here is a link from the History Channel about Samhain and how Halloween came of it. http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/hal...y_origins1.html

Might I also suggest to some of you The Celtic Book of Days. Great book.

667, the neighbour of the beast.