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Scorpius
Flash Movie: Pentagon and FBI: Hidden Agenda

WATCH the movie, before you comment.
Frosty
I am now convinced more than ever that the 757 did hit the Pentagon.
Dancing_Dumplings
QUOTE(Frosty @ Nov 19 2004, 06:13 PM)
I am now convinced more than ever that the 757 did hit the Pentagon.
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whys that? im not sayin what i think about it, cause honestly i dont know.
Stellar
my god... this is still going around the internet?
Dancing_Dumplings
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Fluffybunny
Ahhh...the beauty of a conspiricy...take a little bit of fact, add a dash of creative interpretation, and bake until it puffs up into something spectacular...

My whole concern is that while there are points that the video cover that are true, there are so many points that are really open to opinion.

They say no plane wreckage was found. I've seen pictures of plane wreckage in front of the pentagon. (I've been told that the wreckage was placed there after the fact...), They implied a 757 couldn't have made the hole in the side of the building, I don't see why not as the kinetic energy behind a big heavy aircraft could do some pretty amazing things.

They had a bunch of quote about what people thought they heard, but then again, it wasn't like those people were trained to know what a 757 sounds like near top speed that low to the ground, no one hears that kind of sound. Near takeoff and landing when we are hearing planes at the airport on our way out of town we only hear them travelling at relatively low speeds. We aren't trained to know what a 757 sounds like at 500 miles per hour a few feet above ground...generally the planes are 35,000 feet up at that speed...

Conspiricies are always so clever in that any opposing information is always met with something along the lines of: "Well that was just disinformation...", or "The just want you to think that...".

Well of course they do...

There always seems to be some response that is so incredibly unverifiable that it is just as much a guess as anything...(But that is the way they want it to be...)

Who knows, the conspiricy is always setup to be unverifiable. Do we know the whole truth of what happened 9/11? no, not by a long shot. Was 9/11 part of some conspiricy? I don't know, but I find it doubtful that it was.

People just aren't good at keeping secrets, and with the amount of effort it would take to orchestrate something of this caliber would take a whole lot of people in a whole lot of areas. I doubt that all of the people that it would take to pull of a stunt like that would remain silent about it for this long knowing what they know. It just doesn't add up to me...

There are a lot of questions that have been unanswered about what happened that day, I will say that much...I just find that our government is too inept to pull something off like this in my opinion.(Which is what they want you to think...)
Frosty
QUOTE(Dancing_Dumplings @ Nov 19 2004, 05:29 PM)
QUOTE(Frosty @ Nov 19 2004, 06:13 PM)
I am now convinced more than ever that the 757 did hit the Pentagon.
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whys that? im not sayin what i think about it, cause honestly i dont know.
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If this was the video that everyone I hear that has been taughting as proof of a missile strike or non-plane strike, than this is a very weak argument. I could make a better video than this. Talk about great editing. Notice how they don't bother to show the photos of the plane's turbine engine that survived, which belongs to a 757, nor do they say the size of the hole which is roughly 15 ft wide 12 ft tall in the E-ring, big hole! Nor do they mention the fact the plane never left radar till it struck the building.

"It sounded like a missile." Wow, guess what, tomahawk missiles use turbine engines as well as numerous other missiles that are the only logical explanation as to what type of missile 'could' cause this amount of destruction! Whoopty Freaking Doo!

Notice the area around the hole and the destruction. It appears as if that's where the wings hit the plane, and as far as I know, missiles do not have wings.

As far as the video and the 757 being unable to fit in with what the cameras caught, take into account that objects tend to become smaller in view as distance from them is increased.

"Light poles and trees were in the way". Yeah, you think a light pole or a tree is going to stop an 80 ton vehicle traveling 470 mph?
Dancing_Dumplings
747, missle or atom bomb. innocent people died. end of story. who cares how it happened, just make sure it doesnt happend again crying.gif
Stellar
QUOTE(Dancing_Dumplings @ Nov 20 2004, 12:17 AM)
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Sounds like something out of a video game grin2.gif
vimjams
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I am now convinced more than ever that the 757 did hit the Pentagon.

So all your previous posts about this were tainted with 'self doubt'...Typical!

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People just aren't good at keeping secrets...

People who have a secret to keep...Are good at keeping secrets.

And I've said this before in another thread...
If you want to create a situation which would bring about something like 911 then there is certainly no need to bring that many people into your confidence. Employees do not question their bosses and Soldiers do not question their generals: those that do...Can be punished, forgotten and ignored.
A conspiracy on the scale of 911 only required the loyal co-operation of people who genuinely believed they were carrying out official orders. Both terrorist and counter terrorist groups could easily have been manipulated into performing (exactly) to a planned agenda.

Vimjams
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Scorpius
I was wondering about the wreckage, that seems to have not been found near the E Ring of the Pentagon. We should have seen the part of 757 that punched those holes as it stopped before hitting the next ring.

Unless that photo shown in the video was taken after being cleaned up.

And about the security camera's on those hotels; why did the FBI confiscate them? It seems like they already planned to retrieve the videos after the "plane" had it. whistling2.gif
bluelight
Is there a running footage where the plane actually hit the pentagon? Cause all pics releases that I'd seen are mostly after it hitted pentagon.

I thought pentagon have more security cameras in the grounds areas than this! blink.gif
Frosty
QUOTE(bluefenix211 @ Nov 20 2004, 12:43 AM)
Is there a running footage where the plane actually hit the pentagon? Cause all pics releases that I'd seen are mostly after it hitted pentagon.

I thought pentagon have more security cameras in the grounds areas than this!  blink.gif
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True, but these cameras are probably posted inside the building and around the entrances to the facility and the checkpoints to get into the grounds of the Pentagon. But what were you expecting, cameras pointing in the air capturing the moments before the plane hit the lawn?


As far as I know, missiles do not have tires.
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Scorpius
Even if there were security camera's around the area where the "plane" hit, I bet those video footage would have been confiscated or hidden. If the conspiracy holds true.
Thanato
All cameras that could of cought the Aircraft were confiscated shortly after by the FBI, and the Tape inwhich shows the plane hit the Pentagon is Leaked.

~Thanato
Scorpius
QUOTE(Frosty @ Nov 20 2004, 12:32 PM)
As far as I know, missiles do not have tires.
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Vehicles do. That image could have came from a truck.
Like the truck in this image (bottom-right hand corner) Pentagon in Flames
AliceCoopersGirl
Here is a link about the alleged Boeing 757 crashing into the Pentagon...please watch this,it is very interesting.
Sunofone
QUOTE(Frosty @ Nov 19 2004, 06:46 PM)
Notice how they don't bother to show the photos of the plane's turbine engine that survived, which belongs to a 757,

does the complete destruction of your statement here prove to you that it was not a 757 that crashed into the pentagon?
two quotes that do just that!
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“If the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engine,” Mark Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt & Whitney, told AFP.
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John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: “It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I’m familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.”
photos of the part Mr. Brown is commenting upon
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this is one of the many smoking guns surrounding the official story of 9/11
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...otos/rotor.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1152
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb...pic.php?p=50105
Stellar
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John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: “It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I’m familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.”


Ironically, its the AE 3007H thats used in the RQ-71 Global Hawk which many conspiracy theorists say is what hit the Pentagon.

Also, the Boeing 757-200's specifications cleary show that it has 2 Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4 engines or 2 Pratt & Whitney PW2037s OR 2 Pratt & Whitney PW2040s OR 2 Pratt & Whitney PW2043s
__Kratos__
OOOO booo! I posted that flash about a month ago on here and it that post was shut down by the mods. Reason: There was already another active link for it.
bathory
heres a landing gear

It has to be a plane. what type of plane? well there is that missing 757 to think of
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