man it seems everything has to do with god why can't people give him a rest

it is because people are always trying to fit religion in with everything.

Why do you ask why? I'm not religious, but I do know that a vast majority of the world believes in a higher power, God, Allah, Buddha, etc. For the believers, their answers are in their holy books, so for people to question things when they feel the answers are in the holy books, seems just as incredulous to them as it is to people like you to think they're incredulous for relying on a book and religion to give them answers.

Everything in our world has an answer in religion. So those who are religious accept adn believe those answers as fact. It's their way of life just as you questioning God and his connection to everything is your way of life. It's diversity lol.

God is the creator of all things, however God does not have his hand in acts of evil, most of those things are perpetrated by man.

As far as religion goes, I think something created everything because something doesn't come from nothing and there is a lot of something out there. All things in the universe start with the atom and from that point forward it recreates things by the same atoms and if this is the law on the universe then we are just copying what we came from, so that brings us back to the atom and"what created the atom. Don't get me going on the Laws of containment, thats a whole new topic.

Who says there was ever nothing?

people are curious that and lots of people want to see if religion connects to everthing.

Your question was:
"why does everything have to do with God?"
Can you be a little more specific?
If you don't believe in God, you will argue that not everything
has to do with God. But maybe He is real, therefore
giving your question an answer. Because God could be real.

Well....technically if there is an evil side to everything, it's because god created a good side to everything, with no good side or God, then there would be no bad side or evil.


Agreed, there has never been any evidence to prove that there was once absolute nothingness

People try to tie god to everything and religion to everything because you have to realize, there are two paths in life. Those who believe the universe was created by God and those who believe it was just evolution of sorts. The majority of the world is on the God path of belief....to them, you're the one their curious about, asking "why oh why doesn't he include god in any of his reasoning."

If you believed in something, say, Evolution, would you not want it to connect with every facet of life, thus proving your belief even more?

stop. I know the answers!
Is because God is like a 5 year old. He needs our attention. Yes.
Coyote says: We all hungry for attention. Attention hogger.

G-d is real, but shouldn't be blamed for mankinds inhumanity to man. Mankind chooses to make war and commit violence in His/Her name depending on your theology.

Religion is the excuse not the cause for people to make war against each other.

If other peoples religious beliefs, or non-religious beliefs were respected than it would no longer be an excuse.

People have a habit of finding something other than themselves to blame when things don't go thier way. It is either another person, a race of people, or a religion, and if that isn't enough G-d takes all the blame.

People learn by thier mistakes when they can start accepting the blames for thier own mistakes instead of putting it on to somebody, or someone else.

Take it from me-I have made my share of mistakes in my lifetime and at no time have I ever felt the need to blame G-d, or anybody else.

I have even been a victim of crime and hate violence. Again G-d is not at fault-the individuals who choose that path are not willing to evolve and perpetuate thier crimes on others who they fear finding somebody else to take the fall for thier failings and shortfalls.

Isn't it time the Human Race grew up and come out of the adolescent stage?
We choose the paths in our lives because it is our free will and our right to do so-once we accept that and the consequences of following the wrong path-then maybe we will all have a better future.

Sorry to be so abrupt; but if you were to know the things I have seen and witnessed on every level of my existance-you would understand.

Love to all of you
Love, Light and Peace

I have a simple answer. FEAR! Fear of living without a purpose, fear of dieing and not existing. People just cannot accept it. So they turn to religion to ease these fears. Sounds pretty good, you get to have a life filled with "purpose" and a great "afterlife". To make "god" part of everything is helping them mentally have purpose. They believe in the bible which was WRITTEN by the same people that thought the earth was flat, emotions came from the heart (really the heart), among many other things that in the last 2,000 years we have proven again and again not true.

I am so glad that the liberal mindset has obviously freed us from our prejudices; and allowed us to accept people of other beliefs as equals. I'm sure that would never happen with all those evil god people running around telling people to love others.

what is so evil about people wanting to love other people

Ummmm blazer? Have you ever heard of sarcasm before?

lol yes i have

well, i tie everything to God and religion because that's what you're supposed to do! It helps me watch out for stuff that a christian teen like myself should not be doing. my life would suck without God.

Oh? Is that why I "made up" God now? Excuse me, but I don't much appreciate having words shoved down my throat, sir! And just so you know, there is nothing more in life that I want than to be without purpose. I do not want a purpose. I do not want a God to exist.

Jeez... sometimes I do wish atheism was a religion... then I could tell him "Well, we're forced to show you the light!" just like lots of religious people do when they preach to us...

Edited: With replaced with wish

ever 1 can say what they wana say i know jesus is waiting for us

I know he's not.

i know he is

congratulations blazer on your 7th birthday.

We have officially entered the "sandbox stage" of the thread. At this point any use of logic is to be abandoned; and is to be replaced by throwing mud and calling everyone various names that they picked up in preschool.

hahahaha good one CW

Wow... i didn't mean that christians were actual nazis, my meaning of christians - nazis is the way they try and force others to their religion. Where I am (America) we have freedom of religion. But these christian idiots think that means they can poster board a whole city with their religion. Then once someone takes them up and asks them to take it down they go nuts! I mean wtf? What would they say if i was a satanist and i wanted to hang up my posters around town? Yep, they would go nuts and try to force me to take it down. To the person that rejected my claim that i said god was made up for ease of mind, i wasn't refering to you the person, i was refering to the ancients 2,000 years ago. You however are a slave to some crazy idea.

I know he's not

jeeze kratos... we freak out if someone tells us to take our sign down cuz we have the right to put our signs there... and I for one wouldn't freak out if there were satanist signs all over town... i accept that other people dont believe what i believe... i just think they believe in the wrong thing...

Jesus Freak, Then you are one of the few that believe that is a right for all.

i call myself a christian because i try to be like Christ as much as i can..... now don't you think Christ would allow other people to have beliefs too? that's why i think everyone has their rights

I would like to ask a question regarding something said earlier, to sort of expand on it, sorry for the backtracking.

"Who says there was ever nothing?" -Stellar

If their was ever nothing, and something can not be created from nothing, then where did the something that created everything come from?

Just wondering

The simple answer... It is just so much more easy to people to explain everything with the acts of God. God is a lazy man's explanation to anything he doesn't understand. If something's too big to comprehend... it's got to be the makings of GOD. I'm personally sick of it.

I've had numerous conversations with my mother on the subject who by the way works in a local church and she just does not want think for herself, she absorbs what others tell her as long as it supports her own beliefs. I'm sad for her for not being able to see the world at least for a moment from a different enlightening view.

BTW Jesus Freak, in hopes that I understood you correctly in my books you really can call yourself one of the few true christian who does not pass judgement on others.

Ancient Greeks were saying "Pan metron ariston", which roughly means that there should be a balance on everything. To explain everything we don't undrstand with the dogmatic approach of God or Divine Intervention of course is a false way towards understanding and comprehension. E.g. in ancient times people would think that solar eclipses were God's signs. If nobody would believe that there might be something more there, we would still live in the bonds of superstition.
BUT:
We also have to aknowledge that there are some things for which there is just no explanation, pure and simple. If you try to think for a moment what was before everything was created, your head will begin to spin. Or, my favorite one, who created God? When did all begin? All these are questions that are just not meant for our small mind. We don't have to explain the miracle of life; we just have to live the life, and find the wonders and the miracles in it..

I guess that sending a she-bear to kill and eat 40 young boys, who in their innocence laughed at a bald-headed man (so what if he was supposedly the prophet of God) is justified? If that isn't over-reaction and just plain evil, then nothing is!



You got that right in one try.....There should be a qualification to that - Revealed organized religion is the excuse not the cause for people to make war....



I agree with Krator, you are one of the few that wouldn't. I live in the smack-dab middle of the "Bible Belt" and see "good God-fearing Church going Christians" denying other religions their rights all the time. I have seen Synagogues and Mosques fire bombed, the homes and lives of non-Christians put in danger, so you are one of the very few that are that liberal!

Interestingly, I've finished yesterday reading (for the, I dunno, 10th time) Paulo Coelho's book "The fifth mountain". Quite thought-provoking book and quite thought provoking line:

Thats exactly what I'm saying. No where does anything in science state that something came out of nothing.



I know what you mean. A few months ago in an EvsC thread on this forum (Hell, doesnt matter what the thread was in this section, it always became EvsC)... When I told the guy theres no proof of god, he came back to show me something that hasnt been explained yet... and said its proof of god. No... something unexplained isnt proof of god... Lighting was unexplained for a long time... it wasnt proof of god...



I agree... I dont find Jesus Freak to be like the many (many many many many many many many many many many many many many many * 10) christians that come here and preach to us as if their belief has been proven true to the world, but the people who dont accept are just stupid and wont accept it.



Ahh, but you see... there is an explenation for everything... we just dont have it yet.

I agree with you Drekeo.
The only explanation I can come up with on this subject is that maybe xtians need to reassure themselves for they always seem to be shouting it from the rooftops.

With Love and Light

Blessed Be

Nightshade
xxx.

That is particularly offensive Kratos.

Why?, why does everything have to do with God?

simple question, simple answer

If you believe in god, (regardless of which faith) you believe that god is the creator of all. Therefore he is a part of everything.

before you guys say that i'm a "true christian" because i dont preach... think again... i do preach... i do try to get people to see things the right way, just like how you guys say that christians are wrong, and insinuating that they are too afraid or lazy to find out the "truth"... i dont go house to house preaching, but if i feel it is necessary to bring up christianity, then i will... and i could go for hours...

Ok here is the deal...first of all I am new...so hi! Second...my time is way too valuable to spend it reading your conversations that have been going on for really long LOL...just joking, but seriously, the truth is that science will never come up with a theory that might agnolege GOD. Truly I see the science of deciphering the origins of the universe a bunch of crap that does nothing but try and appose what most of this earth can see...that is that someone put us here. Something that science has not looked at is that maybe (for instance) aliens...we as humans can only imagine an alien as something we can touch and see but that leaves a lot of possibilities that maybe there is another civilization living alongside us that we can't see because we (humans) can only imagine something that our senses can tell us about. Now...how this relates to the topic! There is an infinite amount of possibilities that GOD is around us all the time and as the Bible so adequately tries to tell us GOD is almighty and therefor if a human (one of his creations) tries to fit Him into their heads they are therefor saying they are an equivalent to GOD. Now for all those "believers". I truly try and understand what theses reform churches are trying to tell you Jesus meant when He said "it is finished"...he didn't say "lets tag team" or "I'm beat...you take it from here"...NO! He said it is finished! that means he did it all for you. GOD does not say "your saved if you believe you are" he tells us that we are saved...believe us. GOD tells us in his word that all our good deeds are like dirty rags in His sight and that "no one is holy, not even one" Yet GOD asks us to be perfect...So the only way anyone will get to heaven is by going to GOD when you die and He will see whether you say "look at your son Jesus who died for me" or "look at all the great stuff I have done in my life"...in the later case GOD would say "well if you want to bring all those good things before me then also bring you sins before me " and if He sees one sin He will condemn you. Martin Luther said "I am glad that God did not say 'for God so loved martin luther...' because then I wouldn't know I was the martin luther he was talking about"... GOD says he saved everyone. Believe it!

Kratos,



This comment was inappropriate and offensive. The statement is deliberately hateful and mean-spirited. You'd best employ a bit more tact when arguing your point of view in the future.

Everyone else is reminded to maintain a level of civility in their arguements, the religious threads are controversial enough without all the unnecessary bickering and insults.

MM

What's this? A common ground between me and Stellar? I think I found something me and Stellar agree with...



Wow, another one of Stellars posts I agree with. If something goes unexplained it would be fitting to call it an act of God... in the dark ages... ZING!



I hope I am not on this list of bad christians... but I bet I am.


Uh oh... You're on the list now, bud.



I am not forced to "show you the light". I am not forced to do anything. I am simply told to go out and spread the Gosple. I can do it or I cannot. I am not forced to anything. But I would like to do it.



Counter-productive.... Saying things like that here is nothing but cannon fodder.



Agreed...



We are not supposed to force you into anything... I believe the religion you are looking for is Islam...



I KNOW!!! Can you believe this freedom of speach bull?!?!?!



Kinda like people take down their posters? LOL. Posters are put up and posters are taken down... it's gonna happen. But for the record if I were to put up a poster of christianity (which I wouldn't) and if someone took it down... I guess I would just put up another one... But I think christian bilboards and poster are not productive at all. I think ads for christian book stores and what not are ok though.



Teehehe, everyone is a sheep. The only difference between you and I is our sheperd.

Well.. it is a forum of unexplained misteries...

I'm not religous myself. I do believe some form of 'higher-power' exists so I guess I'm Agnostic. I have Christian friends and non-christian friends and some of them do tend shove their POV's further than they ought to. But I deal with it since it's harmless for the most part.

The religous zealots that I can't understand for the life of me are the ones that worship Allah and will kill anybody (and themselves) just so they can get 67 virgins in the 'afterlife' and whatever other made up s**t they are told...

*edit* (I myself wouldn't mind the 67 virgins but come ON!!! It's not real)

I'd like to believe it's 67 Virginians.
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