I think

a, Scientists find new evidence every day to dispel common belief e.g. the world is not round. Opps they haven't proved that wrong yet.

b, We may need to redefine what human really is because we are not the same humans as they were 5,000 years ago. We have evolved from then, HAVEN'T WE?

c, We may need to understand the boundaries of the definition of a dinosaur.

Cambridge online dictionary definition:

2 an old-fashioned person or thing that people no longer consider to be useful:
This typewriter's a bit of a dinosaur, isn't it?

1 a type of reptile which stopped existing about 60 000 000 years ago. There were many different types of dinosaur, some of which were extremely large.


As I cannot remember far back as 5-60 million years I have not concrete proof humans were or were not with the dinosaus. Also I realise evidence to prove this as fact may turn up tommorow. I wait with open mind. Proof is usualy transient in nature if you look at human historical discoveries closley.

As there is no proof right now. The original author is wrong or has his own evidence. I don't care, I just like the debate.

The bone evidence is mounting, check the dates of discoveries on the link below


http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/navigation.html

Okay....let's start at the top.



I think you'll found they have...well, the earth isn't exactly round...it's a spheriod, rather than an actual sphere. Nevertheless, we have in fact proved this. The fact that you're ignorant of this proof does not make it any less valid .



No, five thousand years is far too short a time for any physiological change to occur in any species that could be called evolution. Certainly, minor adaptations can occur, but nothing on the scale of evolution, which would require vast changes in the genepool. Five thousand years doesn't even count as a blip on the evolutionary scale.



Fact - no human foccils have ever been found dating back anything like that far.

Fact 2 - we know that the dinosaurs were killed during an unspecified global catastrophe, that wiped out 90% of life on the planet along with them. This occured roughly 65 million years ago. Humans...were not present

Not withstanding that our earliest ancestors, the creatures we are known to have evolved from, did not even appeal for some 61 million years afterwards, it is literally impossible for modern man to have existed alongside the dinosaurs....saying so, is like claiming to be older than your patents.

This matter has absolutely nothing to do with being "open minded" or not: It's known fact versus crazy talk Crazy talk isn't making a very solid case either (not that it ever does...)

You obviously didn't read that link you provided either....you'll actually find every single reference on that page fits in with the timeline I'M suggesting...not the extremely scewed up "humans walking with dinosaurs" scenario that you've dreamt up

Actually yes. We have no proof that the world is round or spheroid or even curved. We only percieve it to be so, so we agree until it is proven wrong with new degrees of measurement. I posted the link to agree with you on released documented evidence. I am also showing you how close the known discoveries are to today and that a future discovery breaking our rigid views is more likely to be possible soon so keep an open mind.

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I guess you are suggesting that we live by the book of recorded discoveries. I don't agree in the totality of any book including the bible. I live to push ahead with speculated evidence in mind.



I other words. 'As far as we know'. Or. 'As far as we are told'.

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And I take if all those pictures from space....satellites in orbit above the earth...people who have SEEN the planet...they all obviously don't count as evidence at all



There's a difference between "what if", and going completely off the rails...the fact is, what you're proposing isn't something possible because of some loophole in the evidence...it goes directly AGAINST the evidence. We know dinosaurs and mankind did not exist at the same time...and no, there isn't any room for error on that fact.

Even if we assume, in a moment of absolute stupidity and disregard for logic, that you might just be correct...let us look for a moment at the scientific advancements made by mankind over the past few thousand or so years (technology only began to advance to any great degree at this time, given the establishment of permanant societies).

If humans had been around for over 65 millions years...longer, in fact, in order to have existed "alongside" the dinosaurs...then we'd be colonising other galaxies by now...well...not really. 65 million years is a VERY long time for evolution, and if humans had been around 65 million+ years ago, then whatever we were would probably be something else altogether....a species simply doesn't last that long.



Actually, you'll find that modern discoveries are in fact moving closer and closer towards fitting in with current thoughts of evolution and the known timeline of human existance. If anything, the evidence for our case is growing stronger and stronger on an almost monthly basis, and your own little fantasy world is looking all the flimsier

Well here is a list of things you can try out to make sure the earth is in a spheroid shape:

-Do you belive in Satellite technology or in the moon? For an object to create a "safe" orbit the other object must be spheroid because any other shape would create an odd gravity center. Lets take the shape of the disc the gravity center is in the middle yet because of it's shape the gravity is spread in the whole surface, that would create too may "collision" routes.

-Buy a really powerful telescope look at Jupiters weather pattern and write them down. Then make a monthly entry of the "motions", you will notice that it revolve around it self, then you can check the the "outer" surface( the point between the planet and space) of jupiter if you find any "disturbance" call your local astronomy club.

-For this one you need a friend, two sticks, two Compasses and two angle rulers. First be sure to be in the same meridian, then split (about 10 miles but in the same meridian). Then plant the stick strait up use the compass to place the angle ruler (90 degrees) toward the north, then at the same time write at what angle the shadow is casted. Then compare the information, in a flat world both would have the same angle but here it will be slightly different.
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For the dino/human relation, if that would of happen wouldn't humanity would have been wiped out by the much faster, much stronger predators? How can we create agriculture if you fear being hunted? Why haven't we find a human bone inside a dinosaur fossils (as we find plants and other things in dino's diet)? If humanity is as old as you clam why can't we find human remains next to australopitec or Homo Abilis?

Probably not. Mankind spent most of its early existance on the bottom of the food chain, and we're still alive to speak of it. If humans had existed alongside the dinosaurs, then the chances are we would have found a way to kill them, or at the very least keep out of their way.

However, that doesn't make the proposal that humans and dinosaurs shared the planet any less absurd.

As far as we know or are told is true.

Zeus, you're downright ridiculous assumptions, and lack of knowledge on evolution, foccil records, and the entire timeline as our evidence shows it, is so incredibly annoying that I can only hope this is the last post I need to make on the subject...



I'd rather go with what we know...than completely discard what we know in favour of some baseless fantasy, as you have

I made the post for debate. I have no opinions on the truth. You seem offended by my open mindedness. You may also know the quote 'Nothing is written in stone' and you may want to investigate the author of the claim and his other weird claims which will really get you spinning. I believe evidence is being with held from the public on many issues for various reasons. Including the human creation projects. But I won't state them as true because I have no proof.

If you have no proof...how can you possibly claim any given explanation is valid when the opposing one DOES have proof? This is the typical claim of conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists all over the world...they make ridiculous claims that go completely against the evidence we have available to us, and if we don't accept their crazy assumptions, we're branded as being "not open minded".

You do waste your time with me. Before you went for that high horse you should have trie to understanding what I wrote. Not just the content.

I never ask you to believe me or my post. I only suggested, as it was with the original post and all the following posts just for the debate. To speculate is no crime. To trumpet absolutes with arrogance is foolish though.

And the lens of any camera on any satalite provides an IMAGE of the earth, just like your eyes. AS FAR AS WE KNOW that is the true shape of the earth. But that is only an IMAGE. Our instuments and euipment may even EVOLVE through invention soon and new ideas MAY just crop up. But to say this is the way it is, is the crime.

If YOU had lived as a dinosaur or in the dark ages. You would fit in very well with the then reputable and wholly accepted science called the bible and other then modern theories of reality including the then FACT that the world is flat. I would be the renegrade shouting out 'who are you to dictate the authority of fact when science has only clues and theories'. Let us search beyond this agreed point of discovery. We need greater flexability in the discovery of our selves.

Sorry I am a heretic not a conspiracy person. No need to go explaining that part of me either. You would only agree to disagree with me.

So evidence smevidence.
Your turn now , because I am finished here and Nobody else is writing anything interesting anymore. And yes I believe in humans and large reptiles cohabiting together. So.

You know, that alone scares me a little....you've stepped away from being ignorant of evidence, and are actually consciously rejecting it

Allow me to explain to you how discovery works, how facts are reached, and how conclusions are drawn - you look at the evidence, and use the evidence to reach your conclusion. You do not make a conclusion, and then try and find evidence to support it...doing so leads to, as you have done, consciously rejecting evidence that would contradict your fantasy.

You can say I'm "trumpeting absolutes with arrogance" all you like...they're still absolutes Dinosaurs and mankind did not live side by side...this is such a huge leap away from all the evidence we've gathered that it's like suddenly claiming human beings are grown from yeast, in Dr Cid's secret underground yeast lab.



The one thing you've said actually supported by evidence You're right, I am wasting my time with you.

Good.

Oh, for crying out loud... Shadowsleet, sometimes it just doesn't do any good to keep trying to explain yourself. I think Zeus was just trying to get a rise out of you (I hope). And Zeus, I'm really hoping you were posting the previous merely to provoke Shadowsleet. If not...