lol . You did teach me after all .

If you want I have a forum at my disposal... PM me.

And no one has posted a video yet? Where's the proof?

I didn't think we were making a video but a live webcam thing?

Ok what do we need to do?
1. Pick a measurable phenomenon

2. Find someone who has the ability AND a webcam or access to one.

3. Organise times for people to meet and witness the act.


1. What abilities are measurable?
Cryokinesis - can be measured by drop in temperature
Pyrokinesis - can be measured by a rise in temperature
Telekinesis - yes, as long as it is something more measurable than a psiwheel
Telepathy doesn't count as it's results can't be counted
Aerokinesis - yes if they have access to a wind speed indicator, otherwise no.
Empathy - no (can't be counted)
Clairaudience - no (can't be counted)
Precognition - no (can't be counted)

I'm not sure what else, are there others that you can think of anyone? I'll edit this to add them on .

2. Ok, anyone who has one of these abilities, are confident and have access to the technology please post.

3. We'll work this one out when we know who is to be involved and where they are.

Please people, this would be brilliant if we could pull it off, don't you think? Ask for a webcam for Christmas . What better cause is there than planning, executing and evatluating a scientific investigation on the paranormal? Your parents would be proud (and maybe slightly disbelieving) that you're doing science in your spare time .

Oh, you can do telekinesis, you just need something more measurable than a psi-wheel. The general testing method for this is a marble on a glass plate. The object is to make it move out of a small circle. Of course, a duplicate is nearby as a control.

um Insight? Die? my site is the home base for the bleievers club and i have a forum and chatroom there and basically everything needed for such a thing.... just saying since most here are part of the beleivers club whether its in their sig or not.

heh Aquatus i dont err think my school would have one lol... heh dump its ok for basics but theres nothing really special there cept pcs and music instruments since its just a local public highschool. even some of our voltmeters suck. ill ask anyway though but t'll have to wait til mon.

and as for footage of ak from me i do however have a digital cam (my mums) that records for a short period of time. but the only thing left it the bloody wind speed indicator.. if only i could make one it would be so much easier

Gah, this isn't actually going to happen is it?

Lets hope you can get ahold of the wind speed indicator arwen though it doesn't look too good.

*sigh*

I know there are plenty of people here who have abilities (or at elast say they do), where are they all??

Sorry, Potholer.

Enthusiasm is admirable, and loyalty to a cause is great, but neither, in and of themselves, are sufficient for science. They will help a person maintain a belief, but that is all, and, as you know, beliefs is meaningless to science. Science requires long, hard work, and, frankly, if it is taking this much effort simply to even choose a subject, much less talk about how to set up an experiment, there is little hope that the experiment will ever be done.

Well, I don't have enough of the ability (tk) but thinking about it I will be able to roll stuff soon but i don't have a bloody webcam and no one would get me one 4 christmas so I think all i can give you guys is ideas.
If anyone here can slide a toothpic with tk then that would be a great vid.

Jesus Christ, I hate precognition about what people are going to post (I had a vision about that post. Gah, I'm angry now....)

I'm willing to lend my services to this project. I think for Arwen's Aerokinesis, she would not nessesarily need a wind thing.

She could have three pieces of small paper. Each are marked with either an A, B, or C. Then she could write the letters, A, B, and C on different spots on a table. Maybe she could blow the letter A to the spot where it says A and B to the spot where it says B and ect.

Just a thought.....

I think the best would be a video of Frost freezing water. That would be very interesting to see .

Well soon I will be able to roll things. as many know I am not able to do ANYTHING, execpt make my psi-wheel wobble. I have been meditating for an hour and I still can't do it. So once I am able to regain control I'll show everyone on my webcam.

That is an excellent Idea. Arwen can't order or own a Wind Speed Indicator. So maybe she can just abide by your experiment rules instead .


That is good, I always like to hear that from people...I hear it often too. But when you do it with a webcam witnessing, try not to think of it or hide it so you won't be distracted.

I think whiskers explained that once? How a webcam witnessing psi is harder than you think...

ooh thx Sya!!!! *bows* but now im going to have to practice that coz im guessing ill probably have to do it inside

Indeed .



Yes, that would be perfect if only he would offer his services. As does the aerokinesis one. Aquatus, would Syo's suggestion for arwen be legitmate?



This, s p e a k, is exactly what we are looking for! Keep practising until you feel confident - not before, it wont do any good if you say "Yes, I can do it" and then have trouble when the moment of truth arrives. Even if it looks like this thread has died, find it and post here.

Ok, so it isn't looking so bad after all. I hope it doens't seem that I'm blindly believing that this is possible. 'Twould just be brilliant if those who do believe could show why they do so.



Potholer

indeedles it would and it shall i hope that it is creditable though

*nods* I remember one day I could make the psiwheel go beserk by just looking at it for 2 seconds, no hands, so I got my digital camera out thinking, "this is it!", and when I tried to film it I got zilch. You start to focus on the camera more than the psiwheel.

hmm whisks could you meditate to focus your mind completely?? so you wont slide focus.. just a thought... its early morning so i have almost nothing ^^

Well, again, things need to start from the beginning. We aren't trying to prove how accurate Arwen is with the wind powers, but rather that she has the ability to influence the wind in the first place. The best way to demostrate that is by showing a reliable and repeatable measured wind movement. You can't really do that by moving little pieces of paper on a table. If someone were to ask you "What would it take for this phenomena to occur naturally?", you would only be able to shrug your shoulders. At this point, all you would have is an unexplained phenomena, with no reason to consider the source to be paranatural. Ignorance of a cause does not validate the assumption of the improbable. Only the definite elimination of all possible outside factors allows you to do that, and since we have no way to measure what caused the phenomena, we have no way to determine what sort of factor caused it.

I tried moving little pieces of paper by blowing on them, and it was difficult enough to do using my mouth (the dogs were greatly entertained, though). I couldn't even get enough accuracy to make it land in a little circle.

Regardless, I think that a wonderful opportunity is being missed here. An anemometer is an expensive device, ranging anywhere from $70.00 to $120.00 for the average ones. If your school does not have one, or access to one (or, more likely, will not make the effort to get one), then they simply require more convincing of the validity of the experiment, or even of your personal dedication to science. If you were to carry on with your experiment, following all the proper scientific rules and regs, as well as providing clear, concise, and throughly credible data, you will be in a far better position to request aid for further research from whichever source of funding you can get (consider this training for the real world of research).

I therefore propose that you build your very own anemometer. A wind speed indicator is a very simple device to build and can be relatively easily calibrated. For this very rudimentary first step, it will more than suffice. The dedication to build your own equipment, set up a valid experiment, write up a scientific analysis, with tested hypothesis and conclusion included, is absolutely guaranteed to raise interested eyebrows at the teacher's lounge.

Isn't it funny how everyone always gets off topic all the time?

hmmm can oyu provde me with a way to make it? couldnt i just use a pinwheel lol... coz i have some wooden lady bug ones in my back yard ^^

I'm a little busy, but I'm sure you can find a dozen ways to make an anemometer on the net. If you truly make an effort and are unable to find or figure out a way yourself, I will post instructions, but try to make a project out of this. Learning starts with research.

Wait, wait, a wind speed indicator is expensive? I remember back in 6th grade we went to outdoor school for a week, and once my group had to give the others the weather. The wind speed thingy looked like a tube with a styrofoam ball in it, and whenever the wind blew into the hole at the side of the tube, the ball went up. It sure didn't look expensive.

A professional one is expensive. You can make one at a grade school science level for almost nothing.

But the measurment tools, like the wierd devices that measure the wind speed, aren't they costly ?

whoa ok ok Aquatus i am dedicated but Goddess i was just asking!

well at least i know there not too expensive to make

i will look up tomorrow most likely as i have limited time til i should practice piano..

Sorry Arwen. Teacher Mode got turned on. (not saying it won't happen again, but, oh well...)

I honestly dont think we should all worry so much about proving the skeptics wrong. Time and knowledge will prove them wrong.

Look up and study the "Final Theory" or "11- dimension theory". It's physics. These theories open alot of doors for the unexplained such as ghosts, spirits, heaven, and psychics....etc. If the answeres lie somewhere, it's got to be in that area.

I'm all about encouraging education. Although I would recommend a Physics 101 course prior to diving into dimensional theory.

Hehe, those words kinda mess me up, but I think education is a smart priority.

The secod sentence though, I didn't understand...is diving a word?

Ever hear of scuba-diving? You know, going underwater?

Diving is used as an allegory concerning the study of physics. In much the same way that a person diving represents the action of jumping irreversably into a given situation (usually water), so may the beginning student of physics feel distinctly in over their heads that first week of classes ;-)

Man!! I thought it wasn't a word because I pronounced 'diving' with the first 'I' like how you say 'Magic'.

So your saying that we jump into the education of study and research of physics to debunk all explanations against the Psi Phenomenon(and debunk other explanaionts siding with the Psi Phenomenon)?

I think thats a dedicated lifes work of study.

Headlines: "A group of scientists from other countries have banded together to research and form explanations of the Psychic Phenomenon"

Wait 'till that day comes...

I wouldn't mind at all if I proved that this stuff existed. In fact it looks like that's where I'm heading . I have exellent writing skills, I'm very good at science, and I have a strong personal drive to investigate the metaphysical. Now I just need to finish the rest of my education, and then... well, we'll see what happens.

There wont be any knowledge if we don't seek it. If no-one sways from their stance of either "I don't have to prove anything - I believe and that's all that matters" or "I refuse to believe because there is no proof" then we wont get anywhere.

Whiskers -
Do you have a measurable ability and a webcam? You've got the right attitude, but do you have the means?



Potholer

I have a digital camera and vids of me spinning the basic psiwheel, nothing really convincing. The videos it takes are fairly large (usually 7570 KB) so I need to find out another way to post them, if that's what you're suggesting.

I think I need to improve my skills before I can show anything that might actually be considered proof. Maybe as soon as I can find a marble, as aquatus suggested, then we can get this thing rolling.

Ha! I made a pun and I didn't even try.

*high five*

I think it would be much better to do a live webcam feed than a video. It would be easier to fake a video than live webcam, you know? By no means am I saying anyone would fake this but we can't have it as a possiblility - there must be no room for trickery.

Some digital cameras can be used as webcams using a USB (?) cable to hook it up to the computer. Apparently ours can but we've never got it working ( ).

But yes, become wholly confident. Maybe you could practise doing it with a webcam with friends who you are comfortable with first to get a feel for what it will be like?

We should have a general chat host like MSN Messenger or Yahoo Messenger or just the UM Chat Room...

...I apperantly am not good at psi and therefore aren't a good subject . But I could make wicked banners and avators .

I also am a little good at research, I could do that...

Hmmm... somehow I get the feeling that my parents will say "no" about the webcam.

I don't think we'll get any proof posted on here soon. It's going to take a whole lot of time, practice, patience, and research. Not to mention a reliable source. The best I can do for now is work on my abilities.

And why no university or research facility has successfully sponsored an effort that proves beyond a resonable doubt the existence of any -kinesis, is a wonder to I.

Damn, I lost my post. Start again.

Hailo -
UM is probably as good an option as any, I think. Otherwise there's the business of swapping email addresses.


Yeah, this will be a long process. Defiantely keep working on it. Just because this thread dies, doesn't mean we've all given up. Gutted that you wont be able to get a webcam but you might as well ask, right? You don't know unless you ask.

Well, you can debunk as much as you like, but you will still need a scientifically valid theory to present to the world before anyone believes that paranatural forces exist. For right now, you should simply concentrate on learning proper research and scientific methodology.

lol its ok aquatus we know you mean well *cough... cough* j/k

eeep brains not fuctioning yet so i have no idea wot to say aboot other posts*whacks head* work brain damnit work!

haha...true...it's still cool

Before the 11 dimension theory, everything before the Big Bang can not be explained. Now that they have this 11 dimension theory, lots of new exciting theorys like the universe is not a sphere or a disk shape...it's actually like a membrane, which explains how the big bang is formed. And then cosmic strings and what not get thrown into the mix...just neato stuff. You just have to read up on it. Im sure anybody with basic knowledge of Physics will understand.

Come on guys/gals, 1 million bucks are up for grabs, and non of you will try and get it!!!?

Info:
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Why learn when this "mustardkinesis" you claim to know should do the trick

Oh yeah! I...uh....forgot about "mustardkinesis"! Yeah, that's it...

Not this again!

My abilities aren't really that impressive at all. It will take me years to master them, and then probably even more years to prove them.

I wouldn't be expecting proof anytime soon, though I intend to prove that these abilities are in fact real. Gathering some undeniable evidence is going to be a hard task.

I can't even think about that million dollars yet... the goal of getting skilled enough is still hard to reach.

Well, not really "again" cause I posted this before Manfred made his thread.


What about others who claim to have mastered certain techniques, or those who have been practicing for a long time, where are they at? And I'm sure you can do something, even if its not significant, its still something you can show.



You can't think of a million dollars! Say what?

Well then, if your not that experienced, why don't "veterans" or those who have made help threads here on UM do it? And I'm sure you, and all others on this site aren't the only ones practicing, and claiming to have these powers either.

im with whisks... i hate this whole "why are you still here why not go and get the million ucks if oyu think you're so good" none of us think we're good enough to prove it without logical doubt! and this gets posted like every month! why not just leave it be if we want to we already know!! and besides it always turns into some form of debate or soemthing on why we wouldnt want to and the skeps saying why wouldnt you! ARG!

Yes, just leave us to develop our powers and when we are ready we will come out and show U all, or I will at least

haha i will but not for a million dollars... i dont want media attention and to eb treated like a frreak or something.. im happy just being me for now