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Who else wants to prove the skeptics and scientists wrong??!? If your interested, post here. We need everyone willing to do it and with high experience to get MSN messenger and eventually a webcam. lets make a huge video of proof! ^^
I think that you might want to talk with Aquatus1 about how best to go about gathering the proof you are looking for, he seems to have a pretty good understanding of what would be considered proof...
kk, but a lot of people do xD
I will help as I can, All I can do so far is make psi balls, but I could be a subject or something, like If someone wants to do readings of my mind while I try to project a image.
its interesting as an idea Frosty my friend but you have to think aboot how much we will still be persecuted for "its fake! somehow they faked it" whoever wants to post something must be prepared to go to different length to prove it works and take skeptics comments as a challenge. Its not as reliable as showing in person but we can give it a shot 
i just need to find a webcam 
i just need to find a webcam
Well, I can help but I don't have a webcam and all I can do is tk.
I wish I could be of some help (niether working webcam nor visible abilities) but I do have information to share and questions to ask .
First, is this a venture to prove wrong individuals, or the scientific community on a national and international scale? Because it is individuals, this is brilliant and I hope (desperately) that someone will be able to come forward and do this.
If it is to prove wrong the scientific community, it'll be a bit harder than this. According to aquatus1 (and I thank you for this, it's good when someone wants proof then specifies what proof is legitimate) -
And the other thing was that, for this to work, the person would need to include themselves setting up. To prove there is no trickery going on. And the webcam showing a wide view so that there can't be anything off camera having an effect....
There's no such thing as "just TK", that is an impressive achievement!
Potholer (*winks at Poida*
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.First, is this a venture to prove wrong individuals, or the scientific community on a national and international scale? Because it is individuals, this is brilliant and I hope (desperately) that someone will be able to come forward and do this.
If it is to prove wrong the scientific community, it'll be a bit harder than this. According to aquatus1 (and I thank you for this, it's good when someone wants proof then specifies what proof is legitimate) -
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At an absolute bare minimum, what is needed is a reliable, repeatable, phenomena. Once you have this, everything else will fall into place, but without it, you are dead in the water.
At that point, experiments need to be set up. The purpose of the experiments is to isolate the source of the phenomena. In this case, the experiments would first attempt to identify the source of the heat, and then remove any other variable that could be a factor till there is no question that the only source of energy is unexplained. This is the stage where many of the current Psychic experiments fail, as the source of energy invariable turns out to be less than mystical.
But let us say that you did indeed discover a phenomena with no known natural causes and distinct qualities which are both repeatable and reliable.
At this point you have a choice. You can choose to publish a speculative paper in a credible scientific journal stating that you have an unexplained phenomena. Your paper would be submitted to a peer-review, where scientists in relevant fields would check your paper for proper research and methodology, as well as for logical fallacies and incorrect data. Because your paper is both speculative and ideologically consequential, the steps of your logical deduction will be analysed in the highest degree possible. Chances are very good that the paper will not be published, since the demands of speculation are among the highest and most rigorous of all credible publishings.
Your second option, and by far the most common one, is to spend several years researching this phenomena and compiling a preponderance of evidence so large and encompassing that it can withstand the massive amounts of nit-picking it will enduring when it is published for the first time. In the meantime, you will be establishing your credibility in the scientific community with paperts and studies concerning natural forces and phenomena, which will indicate to the world that you do indeed have a firm grasp of scientific methodology and research requirements.
The process is long, hard, and requires a great deal of mental fortitude, far more than most are willing to give. There are no short-cuts. The price is your life's work, the reward is intellectual immortality.
But, at a minimum, you have to have a repeatable, reliable, phenomena. Once you have that, you can begin to design your experiment.
At that point, experiments need to be set up. The purpose of the experiments is to isolate the source of the phenomena. In this case, the experiments would first attempt to identify the source of the heat, and then remove any other variable that could be a factor till there is no question that the only source of energy is unexplained. This is the stage where many of the current Psychic experiments fail, as the source of energy invariable turns out to be less than mystical.
But let us say that you did indeed discover a phenomena with no known natural causes and distinct qualities which are both repeatable and reliable.
At this point you have a choice. You can choose to publish a speculative paper in a credible scientific journal stating that you have an unexplained phenomena. Your paper would be submitted to a peer-review, where scientists in relevant fields would check your paper for proper research and methodology, as well as for logical fallacies and incorrect data. Because your paper is both speculative and ideologically consequential, the steps of your logical deduction will be analysed in the highest degree possible. Chances are very good that the paper will not be published, since the demands of speculation are among the highest and most rigorous of all credible publishings.
Your second option, and by far the most common one, is to spend several years researching this phenomena and compiling a preponderance of evidence so large and encompassing that it can withstand the massive amounts of nit-picking it will enduring when it is published for the first time. In the meantime, you will be establishing your credibility in the scientific community with paperts and studies concerning natural forces and phenomena, which will indicate to the world that you do indeed have a firm grasp of scientific methodology and research requirements.
The process is long, hard, and requires a great deal of mental fortitude, far more than most are willing to give. There are no short-cuts. The price is your life's work, the reward is intellectual immortality.
But, at a minimum, you have to have a repeatable, reliable, phenomena. Once you have that, you can begin to design your experiment.
And the other thing was that, for this to work, the person would need to include themselves setting up. To prove there is no trickery going on
. And the webcam showing a wide view so that there can't be anything off camera having an effect....QUOTE
Well, I can help but I don't have a webcam and all I can do is tk.
There's no such thing as "just TK", that is an impressive achievement!
Potholer (*winks at Poida*
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Iam very interested in seeing a proof .
this is mostly for the skeptical audience here at UM, but if its good enough i suppose we could expand. ^^
I would want to show a video letting Skeptics know we believe in psi and we can do it, but that only convinces us.
An experiment would be more evident. Something that proves all skeptic explanations to psi, wrong. But we need to explain it and that is difficult.
An experiment would be more evident. Something that proves all skeptic explanations to psi, wrong. But we need to explain it and that is difficult.
ok, then heres a basic outline of what we could find people to do:
Freeze water... (i can do this for us)
Move something heavier, like an eraser (post here if you can do this, i know its hard x___x)
Make a visible psiball
manipulate wind through certain trees on a day without wind (arwen?)
post if you have anything else that would be difficult or impossible to fake
Freeze water... (i can do this for us)
Move something heavier, like an eraser (post here if you can do this, i know its hard x___x)
Make a visible psiball
manipulate wind through certain trees on a day without wind (arwen?)
post if you have anything else that would be difficult or impossible to fake
Yes its impossible to fake, I believe in it. But Skeptics would eventually find another explanation (Rule 1: Know your enemy 
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You need a complete analysis on the ability.
Like when you take an experiment, you don't prove it to your teacher that your experiment is true and successful just by showing her the actions of the experiment. You draw conclusions, hypothesis, analysis, don't you?
).You need a complete analysis on the ability.
Like when you take an experiment, you don't prove it to your teacher that your experiment is true and successful just by showing her the actions of the experiment. You draw conclusions, hypothesis, analysis, don't you?
If I may, I recommend Frostwarrior's claim to be able to freeze water. Even if the freezing point is not reached, a significant drop in temperature can be measured and recorded in realtime. Also, it would be far easier to set up experiments to remove other variables.
whats another experiment you would recommend, aquatus?
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But Skeptics would eventually find another explanation (Rule 1: Know your enemy ).
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When this is done, we need to make sure there is nothing but the phenomenon that could be causing it. For example, with TK. If we were to do it with a psiwheel, then put the psiwheel under a bowl with blu tac around the edges to make sure no air can get in.
Potholer
exactly, but its SO much harder to do when the wheel is under glass.
You know every now and then I've been going to the chat room and testing my telepatic skills.
This person who called [himself/herself?] Putte wanted to see if I could guess what he was thinking of that was on his desk. I wasn't sure what to expect because I just met the guy. My first guess (what word should I use instead of guess? it's not really guessing) was that it was green-blue. At this point it was getting harder to describe. I also got that it had something to do with a liquid, but not exactly. Now it was really hard to interpret, so I told him what I got -- solid, and yet not-so-solid.
It was green tea in a blue cup. Am I good or what?
This person who called [himself/herself?] Putte wanted to see if I could guess what he was thinking of that was on his desk. I wasn't sure what to expect because I just met the guy. My first guess (what word should I use instead of guess? it's not really guessing) was that it was green-blue. At this point it was getting harder to describe. I also got that it had something to do with a liquid, but not exactly. Now it was really hard to interpret, so I told him what I got -- solid, and yet not-so-solid.
It was green tea in a blue cup. Am I good or what?
Frost warrior: Doesn't mean you can't do it now, can you .
I've known people that can do it. It takes time. It ups your concentration and level of ability if you can move the psiwheel through glass.
Whiskers: You did telepathy online . And you got it right? Cool !! I've known people to do that too..
.I've known people that can do it. It takes time. It ups your concentration and level of ability if you can move the psiwheel through glass.
Whiskers: You did telepathy online
. And you got it right? Cool !! I've known people to do that too..
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Whiskers: You did telepathy online . And you got it right? Cool !! I've known people to do that too..
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It was unbelievably hard, though. I couldn't give him the object, I could only give him bits and pieces of info on it...
He wanted me to do it again.
And I thought... NO. 
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Whiskers: You did telepathy online . And you got it right? Cool !! I've known people to do that too..
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It was unbelievably hard, though. I couldn't give him the object, I could only give him bits and pieces of info on it...
He wanted me to do it again.
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Yeah, but ya gotta give in to his request and make sure that YOU believe you can do it. I would have done it to benefit myself. I'm not calling you a coward, but I understand it may be unbelievably hard, so I'm sure you left because you didn't want to go back in the process again....
....meet me in the chat room
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I would suggest that you concentrate on one phenomena at a time. Whichever one you choose, you should keep in mind a few things:
1) Definitive, not statistical. Proving with statistics is a mind-numbing endeavor that suffers from the incredible flexibility of numbers. If you can get a yes or no answer (Pyrokinesis-did it light up or not?), it is much more believable than numbers (Telepathy-How many pictures did the person get right?)
2) Definition. The ultimate purpose of an experiment is to isolate the one variable whose presence causes the phenomena and whose absense prevents the phenomena from occuring. You cannot have more than one variable in an experiment, so each must be set up to eliminate as many factors that could affect the outcome as possible. Things like "manipulate wind through certain trees" have so many different variables involved that attempting to limit or set controls on them would be a nightmare.
3) KISS: The less complicated it is, the less can go wrong. Making an eraser heavier requires only one measure (weight). Making a psi-wheel spin requires several (direction, speed, consistency, and wobble).
4) Predictability and measurability. Spinning a psi-wheel is not measurable unless you know exactly how a psi-wheel is supposed to spin given an applied force in a specific direction. Nor is it predictable, as one cannot, prior to the experiment, state with confidence what the results are expected to be. Dropping the temperature in a cup of water is measurable (because you can measure the quantity of heat energy moving in or out of a known quantity of water, and it is predictable, because you are able to independently verify the amount of energy that would be required to change the temperature.
1) Definitive, not statistical. Proving with statistics is a mind-numbing endeavor that suffers from the incredible flexibility of numbers. If you can get a yes or no answer (Pyrokinesis-did it light up or not?), it is much more believable than numbers (Telepathy-How many pictures did the person get right?)
2) Definition. The ultimate purpose of an experiment is to isolate the one variable whose presence causes the phenomena and whose absense prevents the phenomena from occuring. You cannot have more than one variable in an experiment, so each must be set up to eliminate as many factors that could affect the outcome as possible. Things like "manipulate wind through certain trees" have so many different variables involved that attempting to limit or set controls on them would be a nightmare.
3) KISS: The less complicated it is, the less can go wrong. Making an eraser heavier requires only one measure (weight). Making a psi-wheel spin requires several (direction, speed, consistency, and wobble).
4) Predictability and measurability. Spinning a psi-wheel is not measurable unless you know exactly how a psi-wheel is supposed to spin given an applied force in a specific direction. Nor is it predictable, as one cannot, prior to the experiment, state with confidence what the results are expected to be. Dropping the temperature in a cup of water is measurable (because you can measure the quantity of heat energy moving in or out of a known quantity of water, and it is predictable, because you are able to independently verify the amount of energy that would be required to change the temperature.
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I would suggest that you concentrate on one phenomena at a time.
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Good point
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4) Predictability and measurability. Spinning a psi-wheel is not measurable unless you know exactly how a psi-wheel is supposed to spin given an applied force in a specific direction. Nor is it predictable, as one cannot, prior to the experiment, state with confidence what the results are expected to be. Dropping the temperature in a cup of water is measurable (because you can measure the quantity of heat energy moving in or out of a known quantity of water, and it is predictable, because you are able to independently verify the amount of energy that would be required to change the temperature.
But, theoretically, if you isolate the wheel (which is in your first point
) so that nothing explained can move it, then if it spins at all, isn't that measurable?Say, if TK were to be the chosen phenomenon to be tested, could we write up an order of actions (forgive me, I'm having a bad word day and can't seem to think of the right words for what I want to say). For example, first the person must spin it clockwise for 3 rotations, then counter-clockwise for 6 rotations then.....whatever. I've tried doing TK and havn't ever got consistent results. It doesn't just spin on it's own (for me) so if you were to do such specific actions... Or is that not scientific enough?
This is great, if only we had someone with the ability and the technology, heh.
Thanks aquatus1 for the help
lol, were gonna have at least 45 minutes, we might as well take our time... we need only the best displays of the paranormal. so practice, people 
We need to chat together in MSN, Yahoo or of the sort so we could figure out how you want to make a psi video.
For the newbies on the board my Hundred dollar challenge still stands..Convince me that there's something to what you say and you win a C-note!
Only one person has so far accepted my challenge and she dissapeared from the boards before I heard from her again..
I too think the freezing water would be a good sample experiment to start with..
Only one person has so far accepted my challenge and she dissapeared from the boards before I heard from her again..
I too think the freezing water would be a good sample experiment to start with..
Hi there ...
first i want to say iam a believer so don't understand me wrong , ok
i would like to know why there is no proof ?
if anyone here wants to chat with me and experiment telepathy with me or any other ability i'll welcome it because iam dying to see a proof .
here is my email
hellish_cyber_lord@hotmail.com
Thanx
first i want to say iam a believer so don't understand me wrong , ok
i would like to know why there is no proof ?
if anyone here wants to chat with me and experiment telepathy with me or any other ability i'll welcome it because iam dying to see a proof .
here is my email
hellish_cyber_lord@hotmail.com
Thanx
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But, theoretically, if you isolate the wheel (which is in your first point ) so that nothing explained can move it, then if it spins at all, isn't that measurable?
Say, if TK were to be the chosen phenomenon to be tested, could we write up an order of actions (forgive me, I'm having a bad word day and can't seem to think of the right words for what I want to say). For example, first the person must spin it clockwise for 3 rotations, then counter-clockwise for 6 rotations then.....whatever. I've tried doing TK and havn't ever got consistent results. It doesn't just spin on it's own (for me) so if you were to do such specific actions... Or is that not scientific enough?
Thanks aquatus1 for the help
) so that nothing explained can move it, then if it spins at all, isn't that measurable?Say, if TK were to be the chosen phenomenon to be tested, could we write up an order of actions (forgive me, I'm having a bad word day and can't seem to think of the right words for what I want to say). For example, first the person must spin it clockwise for 3 rotations, then counter-clockwise for 6 rotations then.....whatever. I've tried doing TK and havn't ever got consistent results. It doesn't just spin on it's own (for me) so if you were to do such specific actions... Or is that not scientific enough?
Thanks aquatus1 for the help
Yes, it is measurable, but it is also far more complicated. You are looking for the utmost simplicity. Remember, these are the beginning stages. The purpose is not to show how much you can move the wheel, but rather: Can you move the wheel at all? You need to define precisely what it is that the phenomena is expected to do.
When a peer review group checks your work, they will want to know how much energy it will take for the phenomena to occur. If we are talking about changing the temperature of water, then it is very easy to predict. Formulas for this are part of any Physics 101 course, and the volume of water and the environmental factors are extremely easy to control. It is also very easy to measure; a simple thermometer will do the trick.
A psi-wheel, on the other hand, is different. When asked to predict how much energy it will take for the phenomena to occur, you will have to then ask for a definition of the phenomena. Does a wobble count? Does it have to be a full turn at a consistent speed? It isn't very clear-cut. Even then, after you define what the phenomena is, you still have many variables. How do you predict the amount of energy required? The angles of the creases, the center of rotation, all of these are factors that will actually be in flux during the experiment, to say nothing of the many other factors, such as the size of the wheel and the height of the needle, that will also affect the outcome. It would take someone with more expertise than I to give an accurate calculation of this, and even then, the complexity would raise an eyebrow. Why set up something so difficult to measure? The reputation of the paranormal field tends to bias reviewers in a certain direction.
Oh, I understand now. Yes, KISS indeed, and cyrokinesis definitely sounds like the way to go.
Where's our volunteer now?
I wish I had a clear ability
Where's our volunteer now?
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For the newbies on the board my Hundred dollar challenge still stands..Convince me that there's something to what you say and you win a C-note!
I wish I had a clear ability
*raises hand* from the looks of it i have the strongest cryokinesis here at UM.
oh and i can make a psiwheel consistantly make full spins... really fast. I can probably do it for about 5 minutes before losing concentration. if someone can do it under glass, though, lets use that for the video instead. ACTUALLY, we can have more than 1 for tk, its a really popular skill and powerful tk has enough potential to prove tons of skeptics wrong.
oh and i can make a psiwheel consistantly make full spins... really fast. I can probably do it for about 5 minutes before losing concentration. if someone can do it under glass, though, lets use that for the video instead. ACTUALLY, we can have more than 1 for tk, its a really popular skill and powerful tk has enough potential to prove tons of skeptics wrong.
Oooook well i have somethign ebtter then doing ak outside *winks* i can do it inside to a degree but i would need to sneak our digital cam to do so... meh bring it on...
GO WHISKS! heh yer i dont like to push my luck trying a second time either but you need to just slap yourself silly and give it a shot
Well Aquatus would you think me using ak on a dreamcatcher inside be plausible for most? as in i first tape it not practicing in which it will (presuming i havent lost my mind LOL jk) stay still unturning and then tape myself using ak inside in which it will proceed to turn and blow? sure its not as strong as my outside ak but it still works with visable results.
As for all of us meeting up on msn i think i have everyone i need to on my list cept you Whisks... i have Frost, Hailo, Pot and lol of course i dont have the semite skeps like aquatus or falco but still.
For all of us to meet i recommend a Saturday night for us on the southern hemisphere like me and Pot and so for you guys (Frost, Hailo and Whisks) it will be a friday night or day wotever. so that way we can all meet up and hopefully stay as long as we need. how aboot say 10am aussie time this weekend? so for Pot twill be 12pm and for you guys in america/northern hemisphere it will be roughly 12am or so. or if thats a prob for most Pot would you be able to come on late with me on sat so it will be round afternoon for the others?
GO WHISKS! heh yer i dont like to push my luck trying a second time either but you need to just slap yourself silly and give it a shot
Well Aquatus would you think me using ak on a dreamcatcher inside be plausible for most? as in i first tape it not practicing in which it will (presuming i havent lost my mind LOL jk) stay still unturning and then tape myself using ak inside in which it will proceed to turn and blow? sure its not as strong as my outside ak but it still works with visable results.
As for all of us meeting up on msn i think i have everyone i need to on my list cept you Whisks... i have Frost, Hailo, Pot and lol of course i dont have the semite skeps like aquatus or falco but still.
For all of us to meet i recommend a Saturday night for us on the southern hemisphere like me and Pot and so for you guys (Frost, Hailo and Whisks) it will be a friday night or day wotever. so that way we can all meet up and hopefully stay as long as we need. how aboot say 10am aussie time this weekend? so for Pot twill be 12pm and for you guys in america/northern hemisphere it will be roughly 12am or so. or if thats a prob for most Pot would you be able to come on late with me on sat so it will be round afternoon for the others?
Wait...the stats are screwed up...Everytime I click on someone's profile, everyone turned out to be 8 hours ahead of me...
...that can't be right .
And i'm not allowed to stay up till 10 at night .
...that can't be right
.And i'm not allowed to stay up till 10 at night
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Well Aquatus would you think me using ak on a dreamcatcher inside be plausible for most? as in i first tape it not practicing in which it will (presuming i havent lost my mind LOL jk) stay still unturning and then tape myself using ak inside in which it will proceed to turn and blow? sure its not as strong as my outside ak but it still works with visable results.
Not for science, no. I better thing to turn would be a wind speed indicator, available from many different sources, which is specifically designed to measure the speed of wind. You can indeed test this outside, or wherever you wish, however you must have a way of showing that it was not a random burst of air that turned the indicator.
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i have Frost, Hailo, Pot and lol of course i dont have the semite skeps like aquatus or falco but still.
I'm not Jewish.
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i have Frost, Hailo, Pot and lol of course i dont have the semite skeps like aquatus or falco but still.
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We didn't mean to add people cause their jewish
. Just ordinary people so we can put together something that will turn out like a decent experiment (though it still wouldn't turn out to be like a world break through).
lol... ok people participating in the video post your time zone. the forum time isnt accurate...
im in eastern us zone
im in eastern us zone
PM who?
Western US Time zone.
Mine is in the one that says -8 on top, yes the purple one.
Western US Time zone.
Mine is in the one that says -8 on top, yes the purple one.
i believe this is called the pacific zone.
(FYI that's where I am too, just ot let everyone know. )
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oks ^^
I'm in -6, and What have we decided on islam would like to be a witness, you must have witnesses!
huh aquatus? why does not being jewish have anythign to do with it 
im wiccan...
and im 8hrs ahead of you but my time in my profuile is two hrs fast really.. you cant pick the exact time
hmmm well if they arent too costly aquatus i might be able to get one... coz if i asked my mum she'd wonder why...
im in +10 on the eastern coast of AUS...
and then it'll have to be night for us then.. maybe 10pm for me and Pot? i wonder if thats ok for her coz then it'll be 12am for her
im wiccan...and im 8hrs ahead of you but my time in my profuile is two hrs fast really.. you cant pick the exact time
hmmm well if they arent too costly aquatus i might be able to get one... coz if i asked my mum she'd wonder why...
im in +10 on the eastern coast of AUS...
and then it'll have to be night for us then.. maybe 10pm for me and Pot? i wonder if thats ok for her coz then it'll be 12am for her
Hmmmm I don't think I could do that and if I could I'd only be there for a half hour or so which isn't nearly sufficient.
If it's midnight for me and 10pm for arwen, doesn't that make it 4am for Hailo?
*curses time differences*
If it's midnight for me and 10pm for arwen, doesn't that make it 4am for Hailo?
*curses time differences*
Why not meeting on paltalk ?
check this thread
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t=0#entry368728
check this thread
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t=0#entry368728
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huh aquatus? why does not being jewish have anythign to do with it huh.gif im wiccan...
Little joke.
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i have Frost, Hailo, Pot and lol of course i dont have the semite skeps like aquatus or falco but still.
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hmmm well if they arent too costly aquatus i might be able to get one... coz if i asked my mum she'd wonder why...
Ask around first. See if the local school or university has one they could lend or rent you.
Why don't you all move to champaign...
I would love to, but I'm horrible at technology, totally. If I had the experiences, I would, but i don't. So basically, love to help, but count me out!
Let's do it people. We should set up a webpage of somesort. I'm willing to head that department if no one else is. We could have our own form there, dedicated to our proof. We will have to rigorously test out abilities in controlled, and non-controlled envoronments, and get documented proof from as many sources we can find. But what would we call the group? We need a name to enhance unity.
^Believesr club .
Or should i recognize 'The Grand Chamber of Adamantine Opinions, Council of Believers' . Just a believers club is all, we can do it under that name...unless you have another name you would like to share? We would be interested.
.Or should i recognize 'The Grand Chamber of Adamantine Opinions, Council of Believers'
. Just a believers club is all, we can do it under that name...unless you have another name you would like to share? We would be interested.
Names and councils and clubs are all well and good, but perhaps having a definite goal and a well-thought out experiment might add more to your credibility.
^Thanks aquatus .
Explaining psi will take a very long time though and we just want to put out a hint of proof that psi does exist. Not necassarilly explain it, we don't have the equipment. But to show a little light that it exists amogst us all.
.Explaining psi will take a very long time though and we just want to put out a hint of proof that psi does exist. Not necassarilly explain it, we don't have the equipment. But to show a little light that it exists amogst us all.
Exactly. Your first goal should most definitely not be explaining psi, but rather showing that an unexplained phenomena exists in the first place. I would wager that this will be difficult enough.
Make your defined goal as simple as you possibly can. Choose one specific phenomena so that you can begin to design the experiement.
I fear this thread will soon disappear from the lack of interest in the actual work required of science. The excitement and enthusiasm dies down when the reality of the situation takes hold.
Make your defined goal as simple as you possibly can. Choose one specific phenomena so that you can begin to design the experiement.
I fear this thread will soon disappear from the lack of interest in the actual work required of science. The excitement and enthusiasm dies down when the reality of the situation takes hold.
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