i feel lonely i can't talk to anyone about it face to face. my close friends are skepticall an will prob think im a weirdo if i told them what i think. and my family are a bunch of strict muslims. no one seems to understand me. I ve built myself a reputation of being a sensible and logical thinker then if i went about tellin ppl i believe in that stuff, well not really believe, but im kinda searchin for truth an the only way u can do that is by being open minded. ill be contradicting myself.

awww poor alias *HUG* it sucks when no one believes you im luckier then most though my friends believe me partly becoz ive shown them or the've been around when all the odd stuff happens like the fire birds.... *recalls*

yer i get where you coming from though, although my friends believe and trust me and my foster mum believes to some extent too (my foster brother thinks i belong in an asylum *rolls eyes*) i dont have anyone to practice with... like noone to talk too aboot it face to face... argh! damn limitations of un-teleportations-ness.... (yes i liek to make up pointless versions of words )

*nods* im really logical too in most parts.. unless im goofing around and im two people sometimes... i can be really serious at one point (when its needed) then hen thats over im like a 6 yr old

i know its not the same but im here for you and most of us here at UM in the M,A and PP are here for you too *HUG*

Some times i feel the same.......
but i can't understand why ur family can't understand u or why u can't talk with ur family , iam a muslim and my family all are muslims and i very enjoy talking with them about science , paranormal , psi and theories .
anyway u can count on me if u want anyone to talk with , iam ready to listen and talk .

i feel lonely all the time, i don't know why i am always depress all the time..
Relationship with my family is really bad, i never have any solid conversation will either of them. I wish all this things could end as soon as possible,

thnx soo much for hugs, an i kno um sre here for me, but u can understand the diff between talkin on forums an when there someone there with u, sharing feelins. anyway " i dont have anyone to practice with... " thats one off the reasons i gave up on wicca along with others. its nice to see u hav belief in something, i don't, gave up on allah/god years ago. tried wicca, didnt seem to workout, an now jus searchin really with paranormal, science, philosophy, astronomy anythin that explores and tries to explain. religion ive gave up on.

I sympathize with you, although I seem to be at the other end of the spectrum. I am, as many of my friends and collegues have told me, a very scientifically minded and logically based person. Many of my peers, however, are actively religious, and while that does not mean they believe in the paranatural, in does dispose them to the mindset of those who equate the power of faith with the power of science. Consequently, some of my friends cannot reconcile that, while I do not support nor find scientific the notion of psychic powers, I do, nonetheless, believe in them.

Belief does not require imperical evidence or logical deduction. What you believe can be, and often is, derived from the most irreproducible and nonsensicle line of logic you might ever encounter. A belief that not washing your socks during the entire season will guarantee a victory can be as powerful as a belief in an all-powerful deity. It is almost impossible to predict or justify what you believe. You simply do, or do not, and only time and experience can change your mind, not logic and desire.

So I do believe in psychic powers, and when my skeptical friends demand proof, I simply shrug and respond, "There isn't any that I am aware of." I do not attempt to justify my beliefs logically or imperically because that is not what beliefs are about. When my religious friends demand that I grant their deity equal time in my mind, I simply respond that I do not believe in deities. Yes, it is a double standard, but standards are not requirements of beliefs, and therefore do not matter. I will never defend psychic powers in an argument concerning science, but I still retain my guilty pleasure of their existance.

I do not know the situation that you face at home, and my advice is free and worth exactly what you paid for it. Feel free to ignore it, take, or modify it at will. I suggest you do not make this an issue. Do not herald to the world that you believe in the supernatural or that you are purely a scientists. Likewise, do not hide you interest in either. If your friends find you reading a copy of the Fortean Times or a copy of Discovery, do not bother justifying yourself, simply explain and accept that you understand full well what science is and what beliefs are, and you are willing to bite the bullet and believe, for the meantime anyway, in something that is not scientifically supported.

Good luck to you. You are not as alone as you may feel.

my parents think psi or anything related to magick in anyway is to do with the devil. so as iv grown up i started rebel against religion, cause ive kinda always related neg emotions with religion. ive always felt attracted to paranormal an there i was told all that stuff was to do with the devil.

Do not worry, I am also a Muslim, hint, don't tell until you hve some kind of proof, or talk to anyone in your family who you have a good relationship with, for me, it's my mother and sister.

P.S. My brother is known to be skeptical, and sometyimes a jerk about it,I no tell him

thanks 4 hints zudo, an its nice to kno that there are few muslims here.

i have 3 brothers no sis 2 younger brothers hav learning difficulties an my older bro is a serious logical thinker an if he found out that his sis was into this stuff he'd be freaked out

hahah. interesting, ^^

my mom and dad dont know, my brother does, and hes not nearly as skeptical as i though he would be. hahah thanks tk, cryo couldve never done it ^^ <3

I have felt really bad when i read ur replay cause iam a proude muslim , i always said such strick and ignorance will lead to bad results , who relate psi and paranormal to devil is ignorant, that's remind me when people in Europe in the dark ages related science to devil and evil , don't forget islam was the first religion to encourage science , while people in Europe were killing scientists and consider woman as a devil , muslims were the first to encourage science and the islamic science was the base of modern science , have u forgetten that Jaber Ibn Hayan invented the modern chemistry rules and purified it from alchemistry ? or AlKhawarezmi who invented the zero and the known numbers (1,2,3,...) ? if i talked i won't finish .
i will be really interested in talking with u and here is my email
hellish_cyber_lord@hotmail.com
it's an invetation u may accept or decline , but if u are an open minded and really want the true please accept .
Thanx for your time
once again i only wrote my replay because i don't want islam to be misunderstood like most people do .
thanx again.

Man, Alias, I know how you feel . Lately every time I sit with my friends at lunch, I'm bursting to tell them, but I can't... I don't want to be viewed as crazy(er).

I understand what you mean when you say the forums isn't really like having someone to talk to. I only have one person I can call on the phone now, but I find that I'm lucky if I have anyone.

Telepathy keeps coming in handy for me. I freaked my friends out when I could "guess" what object they were thinking of and that made a believer of my best friend, who isn't really that religious. Yesterday in the chat room I could describe something that a guy was thinking of and I just met him. That seemed to make him a bet less of a skeptic.

Eventually someone will know about it, it's too hard to keep a secret forever.

All true...just studied Islam in my history class...think I did good on my test..

Anyway, Muslims are not only the first religion to encourage science, it was the most tolerant religion. Like Muslims are the most merciful people. Doesn't the Koran oppose strictness?

Well, i guess most people here are in the same boat. no one to talk to, family doesnt know. I get excited just to think about the time when i show my mother some results. but i found flaring really hard to acchieve, now im gathering info on TK so i can start with that.
Im catholic and so´s my mom, she thinks psi is evil and associates psi with those witchcraft stuff. (thats creepy). And there´s no way i can convince her. I hope she doesnt tell me to stop doing it when i show to her. that would suck

thats all. be peaceful

Same here. I'm trying to get my TK and telepathy to work a bit better. A visible psiball work work too, I guess.

Arrrgh... I wish I could tell my family. My dad would never let me do it again (He's against "witchcraft"). My mom would get mad at me 'cause I spend all the time on the internet reading about psi, not on my homework. I would tell my brother if he was old enough to understand what a secret is.

Brothers are suposed to be a pain in the --- (neck). Thats thier job!

hi. i know how you feel too. i finally found some one i can tlak to about it all but sometimes i just want to talk and talk..lol. but sometimes i feel really down and alone..

I've also got the problem of noone to talk to. My parents probably wouldn't mind (I suspect that my mum is into this kind of stuff too). My brother wouldn't stop laughing if he found out though.

I know for a fact that one of my friends is into this, but I've never really found a good time to talk to her about it.

Maybe one day we'll see your friend in UM?

I would like to take this moment, to tap dance

tap tap tap...

yay...

Instead of turning away from the quran, study it like you study psi, I honestly don't see why psi in Islam would be considered evil or anything, the quran was made to give muslims guidance and to help them seek knowledge, to me, psi is just another form of knowledge, What I do see wrong is asking the devil to help you, but psi doesn't do that... *shrug*

tap tap tap

hehe my name is Islam...

yes indeed , the koran appose strictness , i said islam is perfect not muslims , if muslims nowadays do as Allah said in koran we would be great again like we once were not a third world's countries, but as i said we musn't relate the behaviour of the people to the religion.

as u said the only thing is considered evil is to asking devil and jinns for help , every other knowledege islam encourages to take . wicca nowadays is mixed between science , philosophy and myths . some activites in it is science even if it was done by rituals , we must purify science and knowledge from untrue legendes and myths not to ignore it .
anyway my email is
hellish_cyber_lord@hotmail.com
for anyone wants to talk with me about psi and paranormal
Thanx.

Do not mix truth and lies, for then you have created something far worse


No I did not make that up

LOL, aquatus, I never pegged you for a believer!

Why are you so skeptical sounding most of the time? Is it that you don't believe someone you don't know and trust? Or are you just a sadist

I know huh...he got me confused of what he is between a Skeptic or a Believer. There is a club for both types, Stewey(the coffee guy) is overlord of that club.

Well, it IS good to be skeptical of everything you see and hear. Or at least, to not believe everything just because someone else says it's true. On the other hand, you need to keep in mind that in an infinite universe, anything is possible! Maybe that's what aquatus is trying to do.

The moral of the story, kids? Keep an open mind!

Being lonely every now and then is a part of life as far as I have experienced it . Everyone thins they are alone in some way or another at times .

My advice : Dont be afraid to speak your mind . If someone suddenly thinks low of you because you get the courage to say what you think then screw them . Everyone has some bizzare little belief or opinion they dont share with others , and anyone who pressures you because you spoke out is just jealous that you have more guts then them .

I haven't felt lonely in years and years...I don't socialise often, I do go out though keep to myself and have little contact with family or anyone that would consider themselves friends of mine and I keep work associates at a professional distance.

And yet I don't get lonely...I'm quite content to carry on this way for the rest of my days...I read, I travel, I watch movies, I go out to dinner and I enjoy myself moreso than I would with someone else present.

I'm happy when I'm alone.

I'm not the only one.

There are people out there who just don't need emotional/physical support.

Well I don't really get lonely coz I have a twin brother and he practices with me but the worst thing is that he'll sometimes get in a bad mood and annoy me.
My oldar brother would laugh at me and my Mum and Dad wouldn't care or would be glad that I "found something to believe in".

I hope you are not talking about me .
but if you are i want to tell you that i believe in psi , paranormal and any science or knowledge .
what i have said and made you think like that ?

sorry , my mistake , i haven't notice u r talking about aquatus .
it's just that ur posts were after mine directly .
sorry again .

Total agreement over here. I definitely prefer solitude compared to parties and other social gatherings.

Ack.. I sounded old when I said that...

Ohhh and where is that club where you are a skeptic and a believer. I'd sure like to join! I'm 3 forths believer and 1 forth skeptic! Meaning I believe in most things.. to an extent. But I do little experiments on everything to prove it to myself.

Ah, shut up Whitney!

Whitney: You should change that to, "I'm 3 forths gullible and 1 forth realistic"

Ahh, my lovely skeptic friend.

Ha. Lonley you might end up like me! seeing every ones futer it kinda annoying!

**Cough** Thats the last time I try not to interfer with computers....
and also seeing peoples futers are getting annoying and also seeing passwords heh not as bad...

Total agreement over here. I definitely prefer solitude compared to parties and other social gatherings.


yes, you did Bear. xD


im not lonely. i love the awe of people. i hate the "can you teach me to do that stuff in half an hour" of people. Humans suck.

ahhh reality check Frosty dear friend.... YOU ARE HUMAN....




ish

well my friedns are aware but i dont talk to anyone but here either... i dunno i sort of dont trust one friend in my group.. (bad spell casting *sighs*) i mostly keep to myself in the "real" world and write aboot it in my BoS (Book of Shadows) its not like it'll talk back to me but hey you can look back a few days later and you'll be surprised! its a reflection which is handy to all

And you dont have to have a religion you can just believe anything that you think is fair or not and contradict yourself with your beliefs or wotever coz they're YOURS not your PEERS. so anything you think makes sense can be your beleif. simple

haha Sya *giggles*

*nods* Aquatus confuses me too sometimes

Most the time i feel lonely ......
talking to my family is not like having a friend from ur generation and talk too ....
I don't go out alot and don't have many friends not because i can't but because i don't want to .....
Mostly youth in this world in this age are empty from inside , they only want to eat , sleep , have money and living fake love stories ....
so i don't feel that there is who i can consider a friend but so little ......
(sad , i feel sad .....) said the sorrow ( from metal gear 3 )

Hi everyone
in order to solve a part of loneliness problem most of us have i created this paltalk group
Paranormal Activities , Psi Abilities and Unknown .
paltalk is great actually we can chat by text ,voice and video which will be great to talk with each other online .
Iam ready to give admin access to who wants if i see he or she is suitable because i can't stay online all the time .
please join
thanx

ignore this post

I hate not being able to talk to anyone about defying physics. There was one time when a few of my friends did shrooms and had the most retarded conversation about the paranormal ever. It went something like this... there were 4 people sitting in a room(including me) spacing off while Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas was playing. Noone was even watching TV, but then someone said
Friend 1 "I think im phychic" a few seconds of spacing off and then the reply
Friend 2 "I was just thinking that, ahahaha" ...
Friend 1 "Maybe we are psychic and just dont realise it" ...
Friend 3 "Guess the number im thinking of" ...
Friend 2 "Your not thinking of a number!"
Friend 3 With confused look on his face "Your right!"
Just then the scene where Johnny Depp trips on acid and is talking to the lady at the desk comes on. Immediately everyone switches their attention to the TV and the conversation is forgotten about. Because of the illegal nature of this post names have been changed... obviously I dont have friends named friend 1, friend 2, or friend 3.

My thoughts exactly, frost. Thats why I'm planning on creating a disease that will eliminate the eggs from the human female. Everyone can live their happy little lives but no one can reproduce! So in like, 100 years, the human species will be dead. But those darn cloning experiments are ruining my plan! ABOO HAHA.

Heh, that probably won't happen, though.. Since my science mark happens to be 51%

I talk to my friends about psi, but they make fun of me. They start shooting imaginary psiballs at eachother then pretending they are in a great deal of pain. Then I shoot a real one and they actually ARE in pain.. Weh heh heh...

Bad thing about that is now everytime any of them are in pain, they think I sent a psi-ball after them... *sigh*

Also, how come there is this huge flood of drug related posts on UM lately ? Wow!

Were you messing around, or is this really true?

Just curious .What did you think of when you made that psiball?

It IS true. I'll sit there at lunch and try to make a psi-ball, then they start mocking me so I shoot it at them and it injures them .

Temporarily though, it usually wears off after a few hours. But I've heard it hurts A LOT. I did it to myself, and it does. Messed around with my nerves too, ack.

When I make my psi-balls, I always think of fire. Thats probably why it hurts. hehe

hi i want 2 learn more about pyro and aero plz can u help

^But what she made there was a psiball thinking about fire.

I strongly suggest that you read Xenojjin's Psiball guide.

Well, im muslim too.
But i think that there is a difference between ur case and mine.

I was searching for the truth, i read about many many religions and beliefs and then i found that the truth is the Islam.... this is my point of view and it can be a paradox of truth,,, relative truth according to the knowledge of everyone.

Im very interest in reading about religions and others beliefs,, mysticism,,spirituality ,,, Paranormal in general.
Well, as im an Astral Traveller, my parents agree that i can read about all this stuff, they see me believing in some stuff that could be against Islam,,,,they dont want me 2 be against Islam,,,they only accept 2 believe in something which can be under Islam,,not against it.
Actualy,i dont believe in anything against Islam.

But may be something like Reincarnation will seems against Islam, but i believe in it,, i did a relationship between Islam and Reincarnation that could not be against it.
Because we dont have 2 ignore all the experiences and stories of past lives.

Well,,,the problem,,is that i cant find people who i can share my information about paranormal with,,they feel that im a dumb !!

I just talking about it ,,in forums,,,etc...

good luck.

Hey I know how you feel......it can be hard to have paranormal experiences and not be able to tell anyone, but that's what these forums are for!!! Isn't the internet awesome? E-mail me anytime with your stories or questions!!!!!!

me too ....

How ... i reincarnatin is not acceptable neither logically nor religiously , can u tell me how u came to such believe ?

I fell that way sometime but I have a friend who interested in the same stuff but sometime she's it a bad mood. Everyone makes fun of us otherwise so we really don't talk about a a lot of people at school.

i'm werid friend and the universe sets me up to fall down, but i don't feel alone, well for now, my friends are getting split up in HS so i may have to adapt, anyway, me and kosei don't feel alone, we have each other