The News Article may get the ball rolling as these LARGE objects described have been seen almost over every major city. Their maneuvers DEFY CONVENTIONAL Physics.

But they also didn't believe there was an Element 115:
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm

I personally feel this is another U.S. [Shadow] Government "Black Project" -- but anyone may come up with a better idea!

Unusual in that the NEWS is now considering this serious and not just the usual "Little Green Men" from Mars humor!

H/W the News Article (unless someone has already posted it):

http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2589794&nav=168XTKs

From the Gryphon's Lair

(Temporarily on a sabbatical)

You'd be suprised how much you'd see in the sky if you take a look every night.

Well You just might be right on this on. I too think these things might be ours(mans) it could be a hybrid blimp covered in composites for its lightness. the quietness can be done by a new technology that sends sound at sound to cancel out the noise of a engine. The quickness of its flight could be done with some kinda a jet engine or a newer propulsion system. If it is for recon what better place to test it at the stage it looks to be at then fly it over big friendly cities where the worst that can be done is someone can say "hey look a ufo" and the cover story is already made for you. I myself for some reason never thought that the triangles where from out there , I dont know why I just don't.

I have seen one of these before, in my youth. We saw one take off from a field, neither i nor my brother knew what it was. Apon contacting the RAF to ask what it was (me and my brother in those days were fanatical about military hardware.), they told us it was a secret helicopter test. This puzzled us as the triangle we saw did not have any rotors...nor looked like a conventional helicopter. After researching the belgium triangles, black trianlge reports, and information from sources, i have come to the conclusion that it is indeed a man made craft. However it is one that has not been "released to the public". One name that was given for it was the TR3b (TR series), althought this is open to speculation.

Seems logical. But why wouldn't they use that on currently jets and such? Like that...oh what was the name of it? The fastest commercial jet that they retired. It was too loud..although very fast.

Ive heard about this somewhere else. It was an interview with an ex military officer and he was explaning how it work and what it was. I dont remember all of it but the triangle craft are a human sip using ufo tech fom a crash. He said it has 3 gravity drives that are used to pull the craft forward, not push it. I dont really remember how he said it worked but it somehow creates a gravity vacuum in the font of the craft pulling it foard vey fast. Im only going by wht i heard from this guy i havnt heard anything from any other sources.

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That may refer to Bob Lazar (who was one of the "Techs" at S-4 (Part of Area-51) - NORTH of Nelliis AFB, Nevada).

You're right there, Guy -- Gravity is "distorted" so that the object FALLS FORWARD and not down - establishing a classic wobble at times. However - DIRECTION force fields could be employed to stabilize slow movement or hover techniques.

But I THROW IN A HYPOTHETICAL GUYS:

WHAT IF: These craft ARE "High Caliber TERRESTRIAL Black Projects" - that have incorporated Alien Technology (thus the use of Element 115 which has mysterious properties). A Department DOES Exist which is called 'Alien Technologies Inc.' :
http://www.alientechnology.com/ -- which deals with "IMPLANTED" RFID Chips!!
What better way to hide a secret than to put it out in the OPEN!

WHY FLY OVER MAJOR CITIES IF THIS IS A HIGHLY CLASSIFIED PROJECT? (CLUE!)
=== In that Article I posted - World Affairs Journal:
<a href='http://www.worldaffairsjournal.com/article1.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.worldaffairsjournal.com/article1.htm</a> ] - there may be something FURTHER Sinister involved - and GUYS I AM going WAY OUT ON THE LIMB WITH THIS!

WHAT IF: Certain elements within our/their 'Shadow' Government may be actually trying to "test the waters" with the Giant Black objects to see how the people react to a POTENTIAL INVASION. NOT A REAL ONE mind you -- but a STAGED ONE. This would UP THE ANTE for the Patriot Act :

[ http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html ]

- cause Martial law -- and give the people greater fear than we had with the Soviets and now Osama (which I am beginning to wonder isn't another "TOOL" of these ever secretive guys).

I could go on -- but word of this "disguised" invasion has already "leaked" from those who are getting quite nervous with the implications and designs. Comes to realize that we have had to have SOME ENEMY about every 20 years to keep us on our toes and our attention AWAY from the real dangers. Now our enemy can be "Created" into a HOSTILE INVASION (Independence Day Style!) after 50 plus years of Psychological Brainwashing and Disinformation -- "those proverbial cute little Gre/ays"!

IN ALL SERIOUSNESS -- I DO NOT have the proof - this is just conjecture - but my instinct tells me that something MAJOR may be coming out of S-4 and some other "KEY" Air Force and Navy Bases in certains states. The SAME states that have recorded these objects with MASS Witnesses. Some coming FROM and going TOWARD these specified bases. The LEAD article explains the WHATs. I am just offering a possible WHY!

Again -- my sources HAVE to be descrete - but "leaks" sometimes CAN lead to the right answers to questions that boggle the mind!

Anyone ever hear of RET US Navy Admiral Bobby Inman?
What would a man of his IMPRESSIVE Career (NSA/CSS, DIA, and ONI) have to do with the MARS Projects now going on?

I knew him personally while I was at Fort Meade circa (1976) -- and the Pentagon.

RETIRED Navy Admirals DO act as ADVISORS - but play very little lead roles UNLESS that very HIGH SECURITY background was involved and the ORIGINAL "Keepers of the Golden Keys" share little IF ANY of their previous knowledge with PRESENT Operations.

I have given some clues here -- again food for thought!

Have a Good Evening Guys!

From the now reorganized Gryphon's Lair

(November 22nd -- a day we still remember (1963))

If it can happen to Our President -- think what could happen to us!!

You are referring to the 'Concorde'. It's a damn shame too because it only had 1 fatal crash in it's history............

On 2 occasion i have seen black triangles. Once it was extremely high altitude so it was just 4 poits of light making a triangle with a center point that was very bright. the othe time was when it flew over just above the trees so i could see no stars only the three points of the triangle.

Seems logical. But why wouldn't they use that on currently jets and such? Like that...oh what was the name of it? The fastest commercial jet that they retired. It was too loud..although very fast.
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[/quote] Art Vandelay answered your question on the name of the fast jet "Concorde" and the engines may not be so new of a technology but the ability to make them quiet maybe. Then again it might be a whole new propulsion that we the public have even heard of like the one Bob Lazar speaks about the Gravity aplifire. I personally think it is not that exotic . Just think how fast you cold get a airship to move if you could get jet engines mounted to it and solve the the problem of the softskin of it. I am no engineer but if I get the time I will come up with a drawing to show what Im talking about and how it would be possible to create such a craft.

I also have seen this!!!!


When I was 15 years old me, my friends and my now girlfriend of 8 years used to go down to a field over by one of their houses and shine really highpowered flashlights in to the night sky.

We would just lie their on the ground staring in the sky just clicking the flashlight on and off making a little pattern as you go about, you would shine over a series of clustered stars then go over to another one and so forth.

What we were seeing was (not just once either im talking 5 out of the ten times we would see) these three greyish/white lights in the shape of a triangle fly by us, no more than a thousand feet in the air. The main thing I noticed about these things were that the three lights were rotating positions, its hard to explain the top light would spin to the bottom left light, and left to right and so forth but they stayed in a straight path.

Only one time though did I see two them fly by us at the exact time, they were right beside eachother and rotating so in there were six lights.


The first few times we all saw these lights we got so scared we had to jump a creek and run to the house just hysterical, two girls just bawling and my three buddies and I just shaking like leaves.


P.S. I never really thought back then that these things could have been man made because first they made no noise at all just an eerie quiet.

ive heard rumors in many sites ina ll of Black projects" that the goverment has been creating i think it is very much possible becasue the goverment creates some serious things "UFOS" that we dotn know about and because we never seen it before it automatically qualifies as a unidentified flying object. but the goverment never comes forth in telling us it is our own.

www.orbislabs.com

So here is what I came up with for a conventional black triangle. It is just a very basic drawing so...but it will give you an idea of how I think it would be possible to make one. Think if you where able to use enough helium to cancel out the weight of the craft the engines would have amazing exceleration . Having a composite skin and ribs would keep the weight to a minimum but give it great strength. Being a hard skinned balloon it would be able to hover and excelrate away at great speed do to the trust to weight ratio. So there you go thats what I came up with.[attachmentid=8594]

When I was 14 I was camping out with about 5 friends of mine that I grew up with. We were camping in this old van. We had the back doors open, and me and another friend were just laying on our backs looking up at the sky. He saw it first as I was looking at the stars and he pointed out these strange lights that formed a triangle up above the clouds. We got everyone in the van watching and it just kinda sat in the sky for a few moments. The more you looked at it you could see it was a triangle craft and the lights were on the bottom of it. They were not very bright lights but did have a pale glow to them. Each light was kinda egg shaped. It started to turn or point south and then it started to angle up and it just kept getting smaller and smaller. It made no noise and it just left its position very quickly. That was 20 years ago

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Sorry guys!!

Seems I "stepped on a few toes" and got "WHAT FOR" with mentioning a few things. I'll get back to you as soon as I change my ISP.

This subject is HOT! Take my word for it!!

Shortly AFTER I posted the above (Black Triangles) -- I lost my ISP connection, phone's been ringing (no one on other side) with heavy static .. and I had to change my number.

I know this sounds far-fetched .. but

I will be gone for a bit ..

Take care and I hope you all have had a good Thanksgiving!!

I will be moving out of state (time/place not being mentioned here) -- and as soon as I get back to "normal" I will catch up with things.

For you guys trying to get in touch with me on the back channels .. PLEASE be patient .. there IS much to share and we will deal with the DETAILS at that time. I will be in contact.

For now -- KEEP POSTING! It seems to be having a serious effect!

From the snuffed out candles of Gryphon's Lair.

To quote a California Governor: "I WILL be back!!!

=== Sheesh!!

Gotta go -- on borrowed computer!

G'day i'm steering in the same direction as Gryphon_2005 where he believe's that the black triangles are goverment black projects. After reading all the reply's on this topic and how everyone has seen these guy's somewhere. Is'nt it interesting how pretty much all of the sighting's have taken place in America. And with the yanks being the most powerful and richest country on the planet, It only makes sense that the yankee goverment would be able to pull this off. My guess would be that they are planning for something big eg: like releasing to the world the new technology that they process or to use or launch them on the front line in a war or something. Being that if it's the goverment why would u fly it over major cities instead of flying them over the desert, There is less eye's for this kind activity and flying over cities just cause's the general population curiosity to arouse, Citing more concern for security so their enemies are restricted from knowing their advance technology and capabilities in times of war. And now they have even more pressure with people landing on their back yard fence trying to have a look or more to extreme try to get into their billon dollar forts. So why bring so much attention to yourself if your trying to keep something so tight lipped. I live in the great land down under (Australia) and u don't hear anything on theses types of black triangles flying around which strongly leads me to follow gryghon to believe that they indeed are yankee goverment black projects. p.s being that there is more guns in America alone then in the world i say anyone who see's these triangles flying around grab your gun and shoot the sucker down. This will leed them to be more aware of the power of the people and not the power of the goverment. Because u can fear your enemy across the ocean but what do u do if that enemy is in their back yard and that enemy is the people of the United States Of America. Their not gonna go around killing them all because that will show that they have something to hide and hopefully it would make them think twice about deceiving the people of the free world. And if i see one here in oz i'll do my best to take that sucker down in flames.

Hey guys i have a theory. The triangle could be govt ships that are flying around to create a cover for what the govt is really up to you know just get every consentrating on aliens and not on the truth. For example that whole Bob Lazar S-4 thing with area 51 might just be a cover when on some island that no ones heard of the have real stuff going on like creating ships or weapon. And i know what your about to say why wont a satellite see it, easy the base could be underground and whenever a satellite is anywhere near the just pull stuff into the caves. This could let them hide undetected for a long period of time with no one suspecting anything.

Hey zoltan, Welcome to the site. Well I don't know if you'd want to shoot at one of these things lol, What if it shoots back. I mean if your going to dump all that money into a project of this size I would think adding a gun or to would'nt be a bad idea. On the issue of flying them in the desert I know that one of the host's of a radio show called coast to coast Art Bell and his wife has seen one in the desert. I posted earlier for reasons for flying over cities plus what better way to hide something then to hide it out in the open and let people come up with all kinds of stories that create your cover story for you. Like I said before I think its a recon platform or possible an advanced bomber but the bomber idea is not likely seeing they just sent all that money on the B2 and there seems to be nothing that can come close to it now. I personally don't think they have that new S4 technology down yet because it would be a much better/cheaper way to travel into space and if they have it then they have a lot to explain to the american public who pays the bills. Oh the webs we weave huh.

Hey ZOLTAN the reason most sighting are in america could be the other countries don't report as many. They probably think of it as national security. Think about it if they keep reporting sightings evintualy some other country will think they have one and it could start a war.

G'day ninj and cheers for the for the welcome, I guess u never know what the price will be if u shoot at one of their pet projects. If it's theirs but by taking a shot at it u might just learn something new about their capabilities.

I mean what if i managed to get a beauty of a shot and just maybe it sustained some critical damage and it had to land or crash land, Think of the opportunity that could arise from this situation like knowing the truth or even better black mailing the suckers for alittle $ lol.

I guess it would'nt be a bad idea to let the public create the cover up but exposing yourself yet the billion dollar secret would have to be suicide. I mean look at the deal with the devil the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was that he never existed, And if he does he surely does'nt go flying around over major cities.

Yeah it could be a recon platform or a advance bomber but what if it's like a b2 bomber, fighter jet and helicopter all in one where it can bomb, dog fight, land on the ground where ever it wants and is able to cloak itself for clamouflage while on the ground in the time of war.

G'day jacob that could be a good reason why there seems to be so many sightings in the USA. But if they are pet projects of the USA then other countries most prob won't start a war knowing the fact that they don't have such advance technology, Then they could'nt possibly defend their own air space yet attack theirs who have it. To rule the air ways will win a war because u can pound the living hell out of them by carpet sweeping until there is no resource's to fight back.

The best way to win a war is to not fight head on but fight from within like a flu eg: russian kgb they had the greatest spy network then any other goverment or country. So if u wanted to get your hands on such technology send in some spy's to get the fruit from the bowl.

Now if it was a case of national security and u did'nt want anyone to get their hands on your fruit, Then the best way is to hind the fruit from the thief hence the reason why u would splash that secret out where they can see it for the taking. That is why if it is the Us goverment playing with their big flashy toys would'nt it be better to keep it behind close doors then to expose it and go threw all those things that they most fear.

Hey to those that have seen these things do they always have the lights on the corners? I was thinking and I wonder why you'd paint a ship black and then light it up so to be seen, hmmmmm.

Good point ninj.

Yeah good point. They could be some type of energy from the engines but im just guessing. I also agree that these are man made and have somthing to do with the U.S. but i dont believe the majority of the goverment has any clue about it. It is possible to that its a underground group thats not connected to the gov at all. This could also explan why there not worried about flying over cities because they know everyone with blame the gov. or aliens and not look to any other explanations. But im only throwing out theorys.

I think they are a black ops program myself