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Feenix Fire
Hey guys! Okay, please forgive my lack of detail on the subject. but I'm hoping that some of you can help me out with this.

I think I saw this on TV once but can't remember which show. They said that either the Incas or Aztecs (can't remember which one rolleyes.gif ) Had made a prediction in some of their documents or something. They predicted that in a certain year or date, they would be visited by seven stars. Now when the time came, Thousands of people in Mexico City, witnessed SEVEN UFOs In the city skies. Coincidence?

My Father LOVES to read books on astronomical theory. He told me once that either Incas or Aztecs,(AGAIN I can't remember which one disgust.gif ) worshiped a star. but for a long time scientists did not know what star it was because when they searched, there was nothing there. As technology advanced, scientists were finally able to map out the location of the "mysterious" star. As it turns out, it was not a star at all. But a planet! VERY interesting.

I'm going to google the subject and post what I find. If any of you have any info or feedback on the subject I'd very much appreciate it. wink2.gif
ravus_infans
possibly more than just concidence, probably an exact prediction, but the question is wheter or not its going to hapen again as SEVEN UFOS. or was it just a one time prediction type of thing
laveticus666
yes i heard about this two and i theres some vids on those ufos flying in mexico its pretty cool. but as for who made the prediction im not sure but im kinda leaning on aztecs tho i thought the mayan did to but im not sure.
koenig212003
I think for the second part of your post you are referring to the Sirius Dog Star myth but that was in Africa and concerned the Dogon tribe. (See Robert Temple's 1976 book The Sirius Mystery). However modern anthropology has shown that the Dogon actually obtained this knowledge from a European traveler when it had just become available and they then incorporated it into their belief system very quickly. So when others came later to do ethnographic work it appeared that they had been worshipping the star for centuries before it was discovered when they actually hadn't. Hope that helps some.

QUOTE(Feenix Fire @ Nov 23 2004, 12:17 PM)
Hey guys! Okay, please forgive my lack of detail on the subject. but I'm hoping that some of you can help me out with this.

I think I saw this on TV once but can't remember which show.  They said that either the Incas or Aztecs (can't remember which one rolleyes.gif ) Had made a prediction in some of their documents or something. They predicted that in a certain year or date, they would be visited by seven stars. Now when the time came, Thousands of people in Mexico City, witnessed SEVEN UFOs In the city skies. Coincidence?

My Father LOVES to read books on astronomical theory.  He told me once that either Incas or Aztecs,(AGAIN I can't remember which one disgust.gif ) worshiped a star. but for a long time scientists did not know what star it was because when they searched, there was nothing there.  As technology advanced, scientists were finally able to map out the location of the "mysterious" star. As it turns out, it was not a star at all. But a planet! VERY interesting.

I'm going to google the subject and post what I find. If any of you have any info or feedback on the subject I'd very much appreciate it. wink2.gif
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ravus_infans
Like i said i dotn knowmuch of the topic, but anythign dealing with ancient predictions always come into relation with the unknown, so think about it, were they the only ones with teh prediction? is it true that egyptians had help in the desgin and buliding the pyramids, they say that at the time it was physically impossible to bulid it with the technology they had, FACT OR FICTION? heiroglyphics are kind of a weird righting as well especially the fact that they have predictions sch as helicopter shape objects and ufos and aliens go figure....
aquatus1
I wouldn't pin too much hope in the sightings. If there is a prediction that X strange phenomena is going to happen on such and such a day, and thousands show up to see, I guarantee you you will have several hundreds willing to swear on a stack of bibles that it happened, regardless of wether it did or not.

In regards to the pyramids, they are nowhere near accurate enough or complex enough to warrant any sort of mystery, extraterrestrial or otherwise. It was not only very possible for the Egyptians to build, it was very common form of construction throughout the world. Many civilizations were able to independantly figure out how to do it, though Egypt certainly held the lead.

As far as the Hieroglyphics go, yes it was a form of writing, and the one that you are referring to is actually not upright, but rather rotated 90 clock-wise. Viewed correctly, the symbols represent a guard and a tying post,
Draco5832000
QUOTE(ravus_infans @ Nov 23 2004, 08:16 PM)
Like i said i dotn knowmuch of the topic, but anythign dealing with ancient predictions always come into relation with the unknown, so think about it, were they the only ones with teh prediction? is it true that egyptians had help in the desgin and buliding the pyramids, they say that at the time it was physically impossible to bulid it with the technology they had, FACT OR FICTION? heiroglyphics are kind of a weird righting as well especially the fact that they have predictions sch as helicopter shape objects and ufos and aliens go figure....
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rolleyes.gif Oh, dear sweet kansas.
Okay, let me straiten this out. I read hieroglyphs and it is not that weird and not even that complicated. And it most certainly WAS physically possible to build the pyramids. Good heavens. Don't underestimate what humans can do, okay. I mean look at them, their flying now for crying out loud. Just because it was in the past doesn't mean it can't be done. I know my Egyptians very well, and I know they were one of the most constructive of the ancient civilizations.
The pyramids was one of their greatest feats. So lets give THEM the credit, shall we?
For heaven's sake, most of the people who still say it was physically impossible still say that the pyramids were built by SLAVES. It's completely ludicrious.
Asterix
QUOTE(Draco5832000 @ Nov 24 2004, 06:14 AM)

Don't underestimate what humans can do, okay. 

The pyramids was one of their greatest feats. So lets give THEM the credit, shall we?
For heaven's sake, most of the people who still say it was physically impossible still say that the pyramids were built by SLAVES. It's completely ludicrious.
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I agree, completely. It's really sad when you see such little faith in human mind and abilities. We're ready to believe that the Pyramids (for example) were built by 1) Aliens 2) God(s) 3) Some super-race of human-alien hybrids 4) Hungarians tongue.gif yet we just refuse to believe that it could be, indeed, "ordinary" people who could find the strength, knowledge, innovating thinking to achieve this magnificence.

PS.
By "Hungarians" I didn't mean any offensive comment, I just borrowed the 1st "explanation" of the Fermi paradox, which says that Aliens are already here, and they call themselves Hungarians. grin2.gif
Draco5832000
Thank you, Asterix. thumbsup.gif
It is nice to know that SOMEONE bellieves me.
I've been studying Egyptology for years and no one believes what I say.
Burnside accused me of lying about it. And I spoke the actual language to him!
Ugh, thanks for believing me. original.gif
Stellar
QUOTE(Draco5832000 @ Nov 25 2004, 02:59 AM)
Thank you, Asterix.  thumbsup.gif
It is nice to know that SOMEONE bellieves me.
I've been studying Egyptology for years and no one believes what I say.
Burnside accused me of lying about it. And I spoke the actual language to him!
Ugh, thanks for believing me.  original.gif
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Miiight have something to do with the fact that, umm... according to your profile... YOUR 16! You couldnt have studied egyptology at any colledge level.
Draco5832000
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 25 2004, 03:02 AM)
QUOTE(Draco5832000 @ Nov 25 2004, 02:59 AM)
Thank you, Asterix.  thumbsup.gif
It is nice to know that SOMEONE bellieves me.
I've been studying Egyptology for years and no one believes what I say.
Burnside accused me of lying about it. And I spoke the actual language to him!
Ugh, thanks for believing me.  original.gif
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Miiight have something to do with the fact that, umm... according to your profile... YOUR 16! You couldnt have studied egyptology at any colledge level.
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For crying out loud, you guys are underestimating humans again.
I love Egyptology, therefore I've done all I can to know it. I know even younger people who are in simular situations with their choice knowledge.
I love Egypt, and I want to be prepared to give them the glory they diserve.
So I'm learning everything I can about Egypt, past and present. I even have friends over there and am learning the Arabic language.
Is not 16 old enough to be knowlegable? I'm not the usual air-headed teen you come across on the streets. I don't have friends, I don't pay any heed to fashion, I speak in whatever manner I please... Knowledge is ME and I adore it.
You could even quiz me on Ancient Egpyt and I'll get 96% correct.
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aquatus1
Draco, when you say thing like "I spoke the actual language to him." You damage your credibility. We have no oral examples of Egyptian or a phonetic alphabet or syllibary from which we could deduce what the language sounded like. You couldn't have spoken the actual language to him, unless you have made a discovery that all the top archeologists in the world would be interested in talking to you about.

You have all the confidence and enthusiasm of youth, unfortunately that is not enough to warrant academic respect. Claims are not what creates your credibility; actions are. A little humility will go a long way in distinguishing you from others in your age group.
Engulf
QUOTE(Draco5832000 @ Nov 25 2004, 04:00 PM)
For crying out loud, you guys are underestimating humans again.


Hello Draco original.gif ,

First of all, you are absolutely right. Age is not a boundary towards the sufficiency of knowledge. I've seen many of this so-called, old and experienced people around here (in my living place that is), and fooh....you just feel like slapping them. tongue.gif While at that, there some teenagers or even children, who speak with extreme rationality and maturity that shook me a little I tell you. w00t.gif

Knowledge is indirectly clicked through your awareness and consciousness. And your awareness clicks, at anytime I should say. You can be 16, or 10, or 57 years old, it doesn't matter. It's all up to your inner self, whether you would wanna realise it, or sadly...not. sad.gif Some spirits take almost a few life-times in order to just get it started!! But it's alright, we're all in the learning process, and there's no need for immaturish competition or speed-against-time type of approach. Just let it come, and come it will. grin2.gif

So keep it up my friend, and hopefully the growth would proceed at its swiftness. thumbsup.gif

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You couldn't have spoken the actual language to him, unless you have made a discovery that all the top archeologists in the world would be interested in talking to you about.


Hello aquatus grin2.gif ,

I'm afraid that I find your statements, well just not too right. sad.gif You cannot disregard someone's claims just because it does not correlate with the other more experience, or erm...smarter (?) guys out there in the appropriate field. That's a very static and primitive approach I must say. dontgetit.gif

Notice that our world is filled with ignorance and egoism. Therefore, if we smart-asses can't think of it, therefore it is unreal or rubbish. sad.gif I have met tonnes of this old people, and I get really sick. I mean there's totally no room for expansion, the possibilities are so narrowed.

Moreover in a totally different perspective, there are also situations in where erm, say...an accountant giving his ideas towards ancient civilizations to an archaeologist. First response, it's rubbish, why? You're an accountact, stay where you are and don't try me!!! tongue.gif Again? Totally egoistic and primitive, and immature, and.....(argh, I'll shut up grin2.gif )

So yeah, there you have it. But you have your own perspective to it, and it's just that I find it a little not too right, that's all, nothing big. thumbsup.gif Hopefully mankind would one day wake up, and stretch thier limitations of possibilities from finite, to the very infinite. w00t.gif thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif
Chanelle_Rose

Hey guys,

I don't doubt that humans built the pyramids, but what do you think about the pictures on the wall of the pyramids that depic helicopters, ships, and other flying vehicles? And they are authentic too, not a hoax by anyone they are really on the pyramid walls. I say proof of time travel? original.gif

aquatus1
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Hello aquatus grin2.gif ,

I'm afraid that I find your statements, well just not too right. sad.gif You cannot disregard someone's claims just because it does not correlate with the other more experience, or erm...smarter (?) guys out there in the appropriate field. That's a very static and primitive approach I must say. dontgetit.gif


We are not talking about disregarding an amateur's opinion on what might have happened over a trained, experienced, and credible professional, even though I would not, in any way shape, or form, consider that either "static" or "primitive". Armchair archeology is static, professionals in the field are not. Granting an young amateur the same level of intellectual respect as a trained archeologist out of...what, fairness? That is primitive. Recognizing study, research, and experience is not.

This is not about opinions, which everyone, particularly the youthful, have in spades. Rather, this is about claims. Claims are quite a bit more powerful than opinions; they bear the stamp of responsibility of action. When a person posts an opinion, they are entitled to whatever lattittude they wish. Posting a claim, however, opens one up to demand for support. Making a claim is the thrown glove of conversation. Make a claim and prepare to defend yourself.

Draco claimed that he was a student of Egyptian civilization, and even implied that he was advanced at that. However, when he attempted to demonstrate his level, he committed an error of knowledge so basic that it undermined the entire foundation of his credibility. It would be similar to a person claiming to be an advanced mathematician saying that prime numbers have multiple divisors. Unless he made a discovery the oral equivalent of the Rosetta Stone, he, quite simply, could not have accomplished what he claims to have accomplished. The far more likely possibility is that he has mistaken the modern day language spoken in Egypt to the Egyptian languange spoken by the ancient people who built the pyramid, and that is a mistake worthy of notice, particularly from someone so devoted to the culture.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Draco loves the Egyptian culture and that he has spent a great deal of time reading about it. The warning that I gave to him was, quite specifically, social in nature. Draco was making grandious claims, quite likely without realizing it, and this was damaging his credibility. As an actual student, as opposed to some of those out there who believe that wearing simple skirts is proof that the Egyptians had to have extraterrestrial help to build the wonders of archetecture they are responsible for, Draco deserves better. He simply needs to reign in his admirable enthusiasm a little bit, to give him the caution and patience a scholar must have in order to be considered credible.

You are quite correct that this is all about perspective, but it is strictly social, not academic.
aquatus1
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I don't doubt that humans built the pyramids, but what do you think about the pictures on the wall of the pyramids that depic helicopters, ships, and other flying vehicles? And they are authentic too, not a hoax by anyone they are really on the pyramid walls. I say proof of time travel?


You are referring to the pictures which look like an Apache attack helicopter and the Millenium Falcon, I take it. Hardly proof of time travel, unless our intrepid chrononaut took an entertainment system with him to the past. The picture of these glyphs that you so often see has actually been rotated 90 degrees clockwise. If you turn it back to its upright position you will find, even though they are a bit worn away by time, the clear glyphs of a soldier and a tying post. It's a matter of perspective wink2.gif
Draco5832000
Oh, good greif.
No, there is no evidence of pronounciation for crying out loud! That's not what I mean! Besides, how could I have litterally SPOKEN to Burnside?
See, here's an example.
Dooaoo ii Rekh Kemet.
See? and Sechem m pet
C'mon. crying.gif
I couldn't have copied these either, because Dooaoo ii Rekh Kemet is my own phrase. You can even check!
Give me a symbol, give me a group of sybols! I know them! crying.gif

And yes, I do agree with the strangeness of the modern apearing symbols. But there is even predictions of airplanes in the bible through dreams. I do believe in visions.
aquatus1
*Shrugs* eh, what ancient civilization didn't have strange things flying through the air? People have wanted to fly since the first tiger chased the first human.
Engulf
Hello aquatus original.gif ,

Yeap, exactly, whatever you've said makes a lot of sense and in certain perspectives, excellent too. Perhaps my earlier post created a misunderstanding, what I'm getting into is the whole approach towards the whole subject must never just be narrowed towards a certain something, in fact everything from everyone should be taken into thought, and not just the only few experts. Yeah exactly that they have that upper-hand, but what I'm saying is never use that as an excuse to disregard anything whatsoever regarding the appropriate subject. thumbsup.gif

Oh anyway, if in any way my earlier post was seemingly a little too negative, I apologize, for it is only the statements I meant. No nothing personal. Whatever it is, keep it up mate. thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif grin2.gif
sonofkrypton
i read somewhere that the vatican has a storehouse beneath it that houses paintings drawings and notes that depict or mention ufo's and also scriptures and notes on the true purpose of the bible that coincides with my own views of the true purpose of the bibles
Art Vandelay
QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 26 2004, 06:07 AM)

Hey guys,

I don't doubt that humans built the pyramids, but what do you think about the pictures on the wall of the pyramids that depic helicopters, ships, and other flying vehicles? And they are authentic too, not a hoax by anyone they are really on the pyramid walls. I say proof of time travel?  original.gif


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Sorry Hon, but your thinking of this.

The fact the pyramids are still so mysterious is the very fact that there WERE NO hieroglyphs found which is astonishing because we know how the ancient egyptions would adorn elaborate hieroglyphs all over they're burial tombs and such. The only 'hieroglyph' found was in the Gaza pyramid and that is thought to have been faked I believe in the 1800's....

[edit] Sorry Aquatus1, I didn't see that you had already responded to this issue...
jacob
Me and a few buddies belive the greek gods to be alien because of some of the artwork.
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