i aint no witch but i do believe in magic and i do believe in witchcraft.

i've done some little witchcraft. does that mean i'm a witch?

and i'd like to add this. why do people always say that being a witch is like being satanists? i mean.. hello!! witches aren't satanists!!!! >: z

plus, i am really interested on practicing witchcraft. d problem is i believe in God. what can i do?

Your post is bit confusing, and something tells me that it reflects your confusion as well.

"I ain't no witch" sounds like you actually don't want to be one, then you say you've done some witchcraft (what have you done, btw) and you ask if that means whether you're a witch or not. Then you say that you're interested in witchcraft, problem is you believe in God.

My advice is, first of all be clear with yourself. Ask yourself, and give yourself a mature answer: What do you really want? Do you want to be able to fly, for example? Is that what you mean by being interested in witchcraft?
Life is a matter of choices and priorities.
Ask yourself what do you want, pure and simple..

I agree with asterix.

However God specifically forbids all forms of divination and witch craft. This power does not come from him. And if you want to believe in witch craft and in God, take heed that god says that he spits the lukewarm person out of his mouth like lukewarm water.

Ask yourself if your desire for witch craft will enrich your life like your desire for God does. If God does not enrich you life, perhaps you are not actively seeking him enough. I too have great interest in the occult, and the powers of nature, but believe in God, therefore do not let myself pratice such things. I learn about them, and study them, but only for knowledge. Observing and acting are completely different.

If you are really stumped, start a prayer vigil and ask God what to do and have faith that he will reveal truth to you.

i agree with both asterix and insight...

witchcraft isn't necesarrily evil... it's worldly, and being worldly leads you from God. You have to decide whether practicing witchcraft is more important to you than your relationship with God. Good luck with finding what you want to do.

Yes I agree too
Vixen be careful of what you are doing for if you are unsure dont dabble for you will get burnt otherwise.
Just take a look at the "I am a Witch" thread if you are looking to learn Vixen as it is a real eye opener.

I hope you find the path of your choice.

Blessed Be.

Nightshade.
xxx

i have decided... i WANT to be a witch. but my mom won't be able to accept it coz she's christian. She pushes me into going or attending church every sunday.

what shud i do?

Then...you will become a white Witch.
You go to church on sunday and learn God then after service you practice withcraft but don't experiment us. You will see who has more power.
The power of going to church or practicing witchcraft !

It will probably turn out to be equal as Wicca/Vudunn and other magical religions are as valid as any other religions (including the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). Therefore if vixen practiced both equally and without favortism the gains from each would be equal.

She can't control your religion, period, since I take it you live in the United States, the first 10 amendments were dedicated for the sole cause of pure freedom. Religious freedom infact, people are supposed to be tolerant and accepting, and no one can say you have to be a christian or disown you because of your beliefs. If people are not accepting, they are just prejudiced and ignorant, and that shouldn't matter to you because what they say and think, in truth, really doesn't matter.

Infact, what are the big differences between a prayer and a spell, what is the difference between ending a prayer with amen and ending a spell with something such as "so mote it be" or whatever you please. You see, the dividing line is VERY thin, and anyone who can't come to see this, well, I pity you.

I encourage you to follow the path you feel is the correct one and don't let outside, trendy, or other things -- mostly stressors -- influence you. Let the choice be yours and yours alone, and may you have joy in whatever path you come to choose

And by the way, next time you are asked to go to church, if you indeed wander away from it, being honest is the best thing you can do. Just be blunt and honestly say that you don't want to go and do not feel comfortable going. Words of religions you lack faith in and probably have all your life will flow over you like a soft breeze, and it's almost pointless unless you are looking to study what is spoken.

Oh? You mean humans can just sit back and pick what they want and automatically it is the right way? What if I choose a religion where the only guide line is to kill you and everyone else I can... yeah, that sounds like the most fitting religion, after I am following my heart, right?


Actually they are laws...


Since when do we know what is the right path? We never want what is best for ourselves. Frankly, that is very foolish.

Hehe, I didn't score the greatest on my government test at school, but I do know that the FIRST AMENDMENT, enacted shortly after the Constitution was born, gave the 5 main freedoms, Assembly, Religion, Press, Petition, Speech. The 9 after that, if I remember correctly, have to do with freedoms and rights of the people. They were not "LAWS" that came in a package with the Constitution. You can believe or practice whatever you want as long as it does not break laws, such as using illegal drugs in religious ceremonies being accepted, but of course you just can't now make up a religion that says "I'm christian but I believe in doing pot and getting drunk in a ritual I call walking down the street totally wasted!"

Since when do we know what is the right path? If we for some reason can't choose a "Right" path for us, who can? NO ONE, because no one knows better what you want and what you feel than yourself. Sure some people have mixed views, and some have sick views, but if they want to follow them, LET THEM, they will soon learn the error of their ways and maybe get a little bit of enlightening on the way.

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you must 1st abide by God's rules, and then abide by our stupid country's rules... so doing w/e you want as long as it doesnt break america's rules isn't the greatest thing you could ever do....and what does the bill of rights have anything to do with the spiritual decision that vixen must make?

and about the getting drunk and smoking pot... i dont think God likes you doin that all that much, i mean you are destroying the biggest gift He ever gave to you.

It has to do with her freedom to choose anything she wants. The thing about pot and drinking was an example, I, and I think I speak for anyone in the right mind, wouldn't do something that stupid.

Ok, Vixen,

Witchcraft is dangerous, even the supposed 'white magic'. Yes, it does work, but it also has consequences, take it from someone who has seen this in action. If you really do believe in God, stay away from witchcraft.

You can do what you want, that's why we have free will, but remember, you and you ALONE are responsible for your actions, and the resulting consequences, and I tell you, you may not like them. And, no, I'm not just talking about hell, I'm talking about before that, while you're still here. There are very good reasons why it is forbidden. But, by the same token, some people honestly don't realize how bad it is, and think it's ok, until everything starts going wrong.....

Look inside yourself, see who you are, where you're going, how to get there and most importantly what empowers you!

Besides I know many Christian witches who follow their own path! Go be who you are!

Star child, thoughs have negative repercussions, words, can kill, actions can cripple. Nature can succor you or destroy you.

Magick in itself is neither black or white, it just is. People and their intentions take it to a dark place, don't be cloud from truth. Love can be a joy or a prison. As with magick, it can bring joy, it can imprison those who use it for ill.
Jg

Ashley
I have been practicing Witchcraft for many years now and it is a way of life for me therefore I must take the sweet along with the sour sometimes. I dont however, think it is right for you to judge for I think its only the divine upper forces allowed to do that.
Yes witchcraft can be dangerous, especially to the unknowledgeable.But as I said before, one must be prepared to take the sweet with the sour. Thats the way it is, a way of life. The witches path.
I also said many times before that magic is magic and not colour coded in any way. Its neither black, white or grey. Yes it can sometimes lead to a dark path but a witch will use all the tools she has to, to survive, therefore never disrespect one. Witches like anyone else are allowed to choose their own path, it is up to the individual to decide not you, I or anyone else but some are born into it maybe through direct family members or through ancestry.
I hope you find your way Vixen and get out of your confusion, for it is also confusion ( the feeling of being dragged in all different directions ) which can cloud your judgement.
Remember though, It has to be your choice for only you know whats deep within you.
I wish you luck on your path whichever path it may be Vixen.

Oh and thanyou Pagan Jedi Girl for wishing me a happy birthday.

With Love and Lite
So Blessed Be.

Nightshade
xxx.

No, they are not christian witches. There is no such thing.

I'm interested in learning alchemy, is that anything bad? I believe in God and all, but I hardly go to curch anymore, just CCD on Turesdays.

anything that draws worship away from God is bad

The forums are not the place to proselytise.

If you wish to cover religious based topics then all religions must be concidered valid regardless of personal preference or opinion .

If you have to ask your Mother whether or not you can be a witch you are too young to make the choice. Learn, study, and wait until you can make the choice yourself. Take my word on this, you are young for a very short time and an adult for a long time. You have time to wait on this.

Jesus Freak, Who are you to judge???
This is an unfair statement for you to make.
Everyone has the right to believe in whatever religion they chose.

Blessed Be.
xxx.

Darkwind,
that's really good advice.

Nightshade,
I believe that has just been covered , lets try to stick to the topic at hand .

i'm saying from a christian standpoint, anything that draws worship from God is bad... simple as that, that's what i believe, and other christians should too.... i accept that people have different religions, but i think they are wrong....

There is nothing more rude than an Xian coming on a secular website and shoving his particular religion's viewpoint down others throats.

Nightshade beowulf,
I believe that has just been covered , lets try to stick to the topic at hand .

But its true.
Maybe it has been covered but xtians are still ramming their religions into our faces.

I have given my advice to Vixen and i wish her luck on her path which ever path she choses.

If you are confused Vixen do some research first , grow a little and I dont mean that in a patronizing way for the more we spiritually progress, the more we learn.
Good Luck Vixen.

Blessed Be.
xxx

It is only human to want power. I want to be a witch too. I want the powers of the supernatural to bend to my will. I want the power to do whatever I want.

But power corrupts. The very desire for power is an evil one. In the christian faith, there are two sorces of power: God's power, and Satan's power.

In God's kingdom, the highest of all people is the servant, because the servant uses his power for everything but himself. It is a selfless power. God will give us power to glorify God. Satan will give us power to glorify man. (Please don't anyone take offense to any of what I have written here. i am merely stating what the christian belief says. I am not trying to judge any of you, for it is not my place to do so.)

My advice to you, is to examine your heart and try to figure out why you want power which you do not have already. More importantly, why do you feel you need it?

A person can get by just fine without powers of witch craft. Why do you desire it?
I admit it is fascinating. Very fascinating. And perhaps this desire in you is God testing your faith.

I myself regect following the wiccan powers because I would use them for my own devices. I would use them to hurt people I do not like, get things that I want but do not need. And all of this goes against the teachings of the God that I love and follow. I will not judge people who do so, but I will hold myself accountable for my own actions regarding my beliefs.

From what I can tell in your writing, you are still very young and attend school. School is a terrible place where the powerful prey of the weak. Where a person is spit upon for his differences. Where your will and spirit are crushed early on in life in order to make you a controlable populous. I personally would never send my child to a public school. All they do is cause confusion and problems. Children have even killed themselves because of public school life, and that is one of the saddest things in the world to me.

Do not seek to be powerful in your school, because this is not life. The most groth you will every experience as a person are the three years after you graduate, and I think most people will agree with me on this one.

If you want power not for yourself, so you can do good things for others, why would you feel the need to become a witch? Cannot God use his power through you to help others?

Examine what you need against what you want. Make your own descision. But take into account the things I have said.

I couldn't agree with you more. Am I myself am a christian.

I will not try to force people into beliving what I believe, but I will, if asked, freely express my beliefs and opinions to others.

*applauds* I like you kid...creepy avatar, but I like you.

You're right of course...Vixen, the only two people in this thread that have given you anything like good advice are Crow here, and Darkwind...



Don't let anyone sway you by trying to scare you with their dogma, whether for witchcraft, or against it. My advice...like Darkwind said, wait a while. Take a bit of time to research witchcraft, decide if you like it, and then (as I'm sure you will) go ahead and do it - to hell with what your local church group thinks. It's your life, not theirs.

If on the other hand, for some odd reason, you decide you prefer the church, then that's just your thing...just don't let fear make you go down a path that you honestly don't want to be on, whether it's fear of god, fear of your mother, or whatever...but that's also why I think you should wait a while before making the choice, so you're sure it's definately the one you want to make

I AM WILLING TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING A WITCH.

What should i do to become a witch?

are there any laws?

It all depends on which path of witchcraft you want to take Vixen???
Like for example;
If you chose the Wiccan Way, there is the threefold law, where you harm none , meaning what one sends out will come back to one, times three
Or witchraft dated back to the 15th 16th centuries, where we do not believe in such laws but you have to be strong and prepared to take the sweet with the sour......
Good Luck.

Nighthade
xxx.

I'd like to follow the old witchcraft way please.

Out of curiosity Vixen, I'm gonna ask you a straight and simple question, and I think it would benefit yourself to give a straight, simple, and honest answer.

Why do you want to be a witch?

Yes Vixen why???
Ive been practicing now for over twenty years now as its in my blood and believe me, it is hard work for one to learn the wicca way as it takes a lot of study if its not in ones blood. You seem to be running before you can walk......
For someone so young (and dont get me wrong here, i am not mocking you), do you realise how much hard work is involved here???
Learning witchcraft from old time is much more complicated, especially if it is not bloodlined.
It takes total dedication.....and I MEAN, TOTAL dedication.
If you enter into the circle, with the sole purpose of " I want to be a Witch so I can do magic" Think again... Magic is a tool not to be mest with or you will get burnt.
Dont get me wrong , I am not implying that you do think this way, its just an example of what would happen if you did think that.....
From views of your posts and how short space of time they are posted , I do not think you are ready, thats where you are going wrong you see....you do not have to look for a teacher, they will come looking for you.....You are not yet ready.....You need to do more research.....You cant decide to be a witch overnight......it doesnt work that way......
The rule of none is a complicated path to follow without witcraft being in your blood.....and this is where you want to learn from???
You are not ready for that yet not by a long shot....that is jumping in at the deep end and you dont want that do you, to get out of your depth???
Test the shallow waters first before diving into the deep....I will still be here to help you along but when you are ready.......

Good luck

Blessed Be.
xxx.

NIghtshade is right..it isnt something to just jump into. I agree with it takes much time and soul searching. Magic isnt a toy..and as nightshade once told me, to look within..not every where else. thats really put a lot of things in perspective for me....

Im glad i have helped you sis.

Blessed Be.
xxx.

Uhh, dude, going to chruch is not a power. The power of GOD is a power. The power of faith and belief in him is a power.

I can go to church every single day, but that doesn;t mean I;m going to go out an try to battle a witch. The wiccan power is very real, and if your an idiot about it even though you are a christian, you're gonna get burned.

If I felt LED by God to confront a witch, I would first pray to him in earnest for a few days, to make sure it was a message from him. If it was, I would confess all the sins in my life and try to purify my soul before God before stepping into spiritual battle. Any impurity could give the enemy foot hold into my life. After I was justly prepared, I would step into the confrontation with caution and patience. And regardless of what could be thrown at me, God would prevail through me.

This is the power of the God I have found! The power of powers. This is partially why I seek him. His power is greater than any of which a wiccan can summon or call upon. His power is greater than any satanist or his demonic ties. His power is greater than any psychic ability any one can posess. His power trancends all powers. I don't need to seek to control it. Or play with it. Or experiment with it. If I need protection, he gives it to me. if I need power, he works through me. Power corrupts, and I am totally free from being corrupted by power because of the nature of his divine and holy power.

But, you don't know what they are! None of us do. I don't even truely know the consequence of believeing in the living God. I have ideas, but I can never truely know. If there could possibly exist consequence in an after life, we could never know the true nature of it until we are dead physically.

the answer to the question "why" is:
It's like having to choose between "something you love and what you believe in" and "Something you're being pushed to believe in but you don't want to".

I've decided to chose and follow my own instincts. and my instincts led me to Witchcraft. I thought about your question before and i just couldn't find the answer. It just sort of "pulled" me. and then, i became curious then dedicated.

It just felt wrong to me to worship or believe in something that i never really felt. And then i heard of witchcraft.. it felt right, i felt something that i never did when i WAS a member of Christians.

I hope you know and understand what i feel.

hey vixen..i do understand what you mean. just keep searching.

Vixen, There are many Paths to follow. Study and search all Paths before you decide. If you still want to be a Witch. The Gods and Goddesses will be there to welcome you. You have time. This is a big step, take a good look before you leap.
Peace,Wisdom,Blessings,
Darkwind

Vixen,

Look, I'll tell ya flat out that I'm a Christian just to get that out of the way. I think you need to seriously analyze a few things before making any rash decisions about being a witch or a Christian.

First, most parents that I know who send their kids to church and/or Christian schools are not practicing Christians themselves. In fact, when I talk to them, they usually say, "Well, I don't neccesarily believe in all that God and Jesus stuff, but I want them to get the morals." Now, from what it sounds like, your mom is a believer in Christianity (is this true? I don't want to presume). But understand that most parents just want their kids to get some sense of morality instilled in them. They want something transcendant to bolster their parental instruction. And this is not neccesarily bad. I'm not a parent (yet), but it would freak me out to be the FINAL authority on morality in the life of my child. Parenting, from what I see and hear from my friends and family members with kids, is hard, and parents are not perfect (nor should we expect them to be).

Do you think that your mom is really just into suppressing your right to believe whatever you wish, or is it that she just cares for you, and this is the only way that she knows how to do that? I would recommend strongly that you don't adopt the stance of your Christian, dogmatic mom VS. poor, victimized you. Sure, questioning our parents in part and parcel of being kids, but we must be careful in the way we tell our stories. Mom being stern about church attendance is not automatically the equivalent of mom suppressing your right to follow whichever religious path you desire. I meet scores of college kids every year who say, "Yeah, I quit all that Christian crap because my parents shoved it down my throat!!!!!!" And sometimes this is true and there's real parental and/or church stupidity/abuse involved. But more often than not, when I ask students what they mean by "shoved down their throat", they usually talk about the "horrors" of having to go to church on Sundays and attend Sunday school !!!! It is VERY fashionable right now for people to tell their stories (and not just their religious ones) in terms of victimization, when in reality there is none.

Also, be honest about why you want to be a witch. Is it possible (and I'm REALLY not trying to judge you here) that you only want to be a witch to make your mom mad? Or maybe you just want to be different (and who doesn't?). Again, you should really think about this. Also, have you given Christianity a fair shake? I was raised practicing witchcraft myself, and I went to religious school from kindergarten to ninth grade. For the most part, I was horribly unimpressed with what I saw of Christians and Christianity. At nineteen, though, I wandered into a United Methodist church where there was a loving pastor and amazing paritioners, who while not perfect, were a great influence on me. The character of these people played a pivotal role in me becoming a Christian. If I had closed myself off to Christianity simply because of all the hypocrites I'd met, then I would have been relegating an entire faith to the worst of its adherents. And that's a narrow-minded way to evaluate any religion or worldview. As many witches on this forum can attest to, you'll meet hypocritical witches too. No truth system is safe from hypocrisy, Vixen.

Lastly (sorry this is so long), Jesus spent a whole lot of his ministry casting out unclean spirits/demons. This alone should give you pause about what you invite into your life. Sadu Sundar Singh, a missionary/mystic who converted to Christ from Sikhism in the early 20th century, spoke of evil spirits and how they work. He said that in the beginning a spirit will tell someone 99% truth and 1% lies so that the person is utterly enamored with being in touch with the spirit world and the power/influence that they wield. So awe-struck are they with the supernatural power and knowledge, that they totally ignore the 1% of error. Gradually, the percentage of truth to error shifts entirely, until there is 1% truth and 99% error. But by this time, the person is so enchanted with the power, that even the 1% warrants enduring all the falsehood.

C.S. Lewis is helpful here: "For wise men of old, the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike, the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is technique."

Because obviously we non-christians, who don't go to church, have no sense or morality whatsoever....

Yep!

BWA HA HA AH AH HA!!! Does that bother you? Huh huh huh?

Obstinate, just like a real Saiyan would be.

But seriously, all joking aside, morals are a heavy philosophical discussion, and you don't seem to express any knowledge of such. You completely took the statement out of context. Regardless of what you believe in, christian faith teaches morals, non of which are unhealthy. Infact, a recent study shows that people with high moral standards live longer and are more free from stress. You seem content in attacking whatever you don't believe in quite frequently, but you never seem to express your beliefs in detail. Perhaps because you really have none, and are searching for who you are.

Oh, really? What if the teacher happens to be anti-gay and puts some biblical verses into a certain context, much like the KKK did? Oh, I guess the KKK morals were all healthy too. I'm sure that the people which are soo filled with religion and think that anyone who doesnt believe in their belief and end up looking down upon those as inferior all have healthy morals.

My belief in detail....

I believe that religion...all religion...is complete garbage. Having been exposed to Christianity for much of my life, and been forced to endure the fantastically PC religious education classes throughout school, I have been able to surmise that not only do I find religious thoroughly boring, but I consider many of their beliefs insulting to my intelligence as a living, thinking human being.

As I told you before - I fully respect your right, and the right of every human being, to believe whatever they want to believe. I am, however, under no obligation to respect WHAT you believe. Nor, for that matter, to I make any pretence to do so.

The conclusion I reach, and my resultant beliefs, are based entirerly on fact. I conscribe to the theory of evolution, for example, because of the avalanche of facts supporting it. As a biology student, I am privy to a great many of these facts, have investigated them, and found them to sufficiently stand up to my own analyse to earn my trust.

I have done much the same for religion, and found it pitifully wanting.

Does this satisfy your curiousity about my beleifs? If you like, I could explain them again, with the aid of glove puppets, and a small shadow theatre group.

Just playing devils advocate but wouldn't that then become the KKK's morals and not Christian morals .

Basic Christian teachings do promote morals , but also basic Wiccan teaching promote moral values in much the same way .
Interestingly a report released recently ( I'm sure i can find a link somewhere ) actually suggested children who are taught to belive in Santa Clause and his ability to know if you've been bad or good also promotes morality .

Linky

My belief in detail....

I believe that religion...all religion...is complete garbage.

I agree. Fully. Religion is made by man, and completely corruptable.

Having been exposed to Christianity for much of my life, and been forced to endure the fantastically PC religious education classes throughout school, I have been able to surmise that not only do I find religious thoroughly boring, but I consider many of their beliefs insulting to my intelligence as a living, thinking human being.

Sounds like that would be enough to turn anyone off. I don't blame you. Sucks that Christians themselves ruined it for you. They'll certainly be accountable for that if a judgement day ever comes. And it makes me sick that a Christian would be so bloddy blind they couldn't see what they were doing to you. The problem with christians is that they think they're perfect. They think they are above everyone. And for the people that do, they deserve to be hated.

As I told you before - I fully respect your right, and the right of every human being, to believe whatever they want to believe. I am, however, under no obligation to respect WHAT you believe. Nor, for that matter, to I make any pretence to do so.

Fair enough.

The conclusion I reach, and my resultant beliefs, are based entirerly on fact. I conscribe to the theory of evolution, for example, because of the avalanche of facts supporting it. As a biology student, I am privy to a great many of these facts, have investigated them, and found them to sufficiently stand up to my own analyse to earn my trust.

What ever blows your hair back!

I have done much the same for religion, and found it pitifully wanting.

I suppose that's the greatest difference between us.

Does this satisfy your curiousity about my beleifs?

Yep!


If you like, I could explain them again, with the aid of glove puppets, and a small shadow theatre group.

*chuckles* I hope that won't be nessesary. Puppets scare me.

For me, it is clowns. If ever mankind divised the ultimate antagonist for a psycho orientated horror movie, it was the humble clown.