Because he says he's a forgiving god?

Btw, if thats your definition of an atheist, you've got it all wrong.



Alright, so shouldnt god set an example? Got is not blameless neither. If he exists, he created me to become an atheist, because he knows everything. Therefor, its also HIS fault I dont believe in him.



Well then, if non believers are so irritating, then dont read our posts!

No, I am not confused, I just wanted to point out to you that 5/6ths of the world's population consider your's a pagan religion! Gone are the days when Xians ruled the roost and everyday sees fewer and fewer - go look at ExChristians.net and see how many are falling away everyday!

how can we help not to read it, you folks besmirch every thread with your mythology! Why don't you get a life!

Show me some secular contemporary (not conemporaneous) proof he was ever here. There being a religion bearing his name is not proof, else you would have to accept Mithra, Buddha, Kung Tse, and others (and yes, each within years of their supposed existence)! So prove it or have the "Man" show up!



I thought the "Man" told you to judge not lest ye be judged!


Agree with you Stellar, 110%!

Believe what you want Raistlin, I can't change your mind, nor do I claim to be able to. It's up to you.

Ok, again, for the one who goes on about how evil and hypocritical God is, God forgives even the wicked, He says, and forgets their past transgressions if they come back to Him. He says Himself He doesn't WANT to have to pour down a wrath, but people just won't listen. I'll give you a passage to clear this up. Stop condemning God ok, you believe whatever you want, but you are way out of line saying what you say about God. And you say all this whilst claiming to not even believe in His existence?

First I will show you what God thinks of serving 'pagan gods' and idols:

Ezekial: 20
39 " 'As for you, O house of Israel, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Go and serve your idols, every one of you! But afterward you will surely listen to me and no longer profane my holy name with your gifts and idols. 40 For on my holy mountain, the high mountain of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD , there in the land the entire house of Israel will serve me, and there I will accept them. There I will require your offerings and your choice gifts, [4] along with all your holy sacrifices. 41 I will accept you as fragrant incense when I bring you out from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will show myself holy among you in the sight of the nations. 42 Then you will know that I am the LORD , when I bring you into the land of Israel, the land I had sworn with uplifted hand to give to your fathers. 43 There you will remember your conduct and all the actions by which you have defiled yourselves, and you will loathe yourselves for all the evil you have done. 44 You will know that I am the LORD , when I deal with you for my name's sake and not according to your evil ways and your corrupt practices, O house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD .' "

And for those saying God is unjust, here's your answer:

Ezekial: 18

He will not die for his father's sin; he will surely live. 18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.
19 "Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. 22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD . Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
24 "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.
25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. 27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Are my ways unjust, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
30 "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD . Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD . Repent and live!

This claim that God is unjust is not new, but God has already answered.

God does not want to punish, but for those who go against Him, you leave Him no choice.

I'm not judging you, YOU are judging GOD of which YOU have no right to do.

God IS blameless. What He does is not judged because HE IS THE JUDGE. What He does is just and fair and the conculsion He comes to when such an event occurs comes with wisodm far beyond that of a mere human mind, because HE IS GOD.

You are the ones coming to my posts when I specifically said I did NOT aim them at people who don't even believe in the first place. Do you see me deliberately attacking and seeking out posts aimed specifically to atheists and trying to rip them apart? No, I stay within my own domain, YOU splatter yourself over mine. And if you do so, as you do, I will defend my beliefs. Like I said, if you want a war over it, bring it on, but don't start whinging like a little baby under apron strings when the heat is on. Like I said, don't stand so close and you won't get burnt. You're jumping right into the fire and expecting to come away unscathed.

You called me dumb when I wasn't even talking to ya. So uhm yeah.. what comes around...

No, you started it. You attacked me and my beliefs first. And people have hurled insults here at me too for which I defend MYSELF without going around whinging.

Accually no.. having my beliefs called fairy tales was what braught me in. Then you went off and called me dumn. *shrugs*

And your holier then thou additude is what kept it going.

Sweety ... just let her say what she will...just let it go in one eye.. and out the other... and keep posting your beliefs.

You will find here ... that Christians and people who want to spread the word of God are considered Stupid.. ignorant... narrow minded.... and so on....

But you know ... coming from them... I consider it a compliment... cause I know my life is great because of my strong faith, we believe in something and a lot of people just don't understand that ... and nobody here will ever get to me so don't let them get to you!

Just learn to let it roll off your back... cause one day the truth will be known!

Hugs!
Nxt2Hvn

Thanks Nxt2Hvn

You have my support Silver Cougar. I don't think you are dumb or that your religion is any less valid than others and maybe more valid that some!

*Sigh*... Theres no getting through to you.



Oh but saying "Its enoch, its the truth! Those who dont know enoch is the truth are dumb!" is all perfectly good? If you dont want to see comments from those who oppose you, dont post!



First of all, no, you dont. You post on a public forum. Second of all, werent you saying we all have freedom of speech?



Im not the one who comes to the thread and acts like a brat and insults those who dont believe what I believe.



And YOU attacked ours with this thread!

Heh Thank you for understanding my point hon, that no religion is more valid then any other. Mine is no more then say, Buddism, or Shintoinsm... or even Christianity. They are all the same to those who follow them.

It's funny... I don't have a problem with anyone who's of any religion. I don't have a problem with other people sharing thier religion... I accually am happy to see when someone has a faith that suits them.

But I get called closed minded for having a problem with being dumb, for sticking up for when my beliefs are called fairy tales... for disliking having someone shove thier beliefs in my face so seethingly it accually borders offensivness, for expressing my viewpoint on how something could have happenend. For not pouring myself into a religion that does not work for me, that I don't agree with...
Being told I'll be going to hell, that I have no eternal life... Yeah, I sure am closed minded...

I'm sorry, but damn... if accepting the fact that there are other religions out there, that not everyone is going to follow the same one, that there are so many different paths and encourage people to take the one that feels right to them, makes me closed minded...

You can go to a mountain top, scream your beliefs at the top of your lungs. You can proclaim that you believe in the bible all you want. Fine, No problem. I amy interject another possibility.. but hey, what are debates made of. But if you get in my face, tell me that I'm wrong for what I follow as a religion of belief because it's not the same of yours, condemned me to whatever... then we'll have the problem.

If I came across as having attacked your faith... read a few posts up. More then likely, you'll see that I started defending my own. Then being called dumb for worshiping fairy tales didn't make it better.