Watch out for 18 if you know what i mean.

You should get yourself a lucky Rabbit foot to, and cover all bases!

Unfortuently Jolene hasn't been on in over 3 months, lets hope she got whatever help she needed to live a normal life.

her experiences sound similar to that of a friend of mine. And there is no supernatural explaination for it at all.
I will not go over incident by incident, but the two chains of events are similar. The only difference is that with my friend, it started with a rape when she was barely an adult. Apparently she supressed her memories and then she began to experience events very much like Jolene and continues to. She refuses to believe she was raped, even when another friend of hers (who found her and drove off her attackers) tries to tell her what happened. She also tends to have strange dreams and has visions and has disembodied voices telling her how much they want her in impolite terms.
I am not saying this is Jolene's solution, but the similarities were too much for me to ignore.

Well I got another idea about her experiences...

Maybe it's a Poltergeist. I know most of you will start to think about the knocking on the door and stuff...

...but a poltergeist can do a lot more than that...

...when a person has extreme emotions for a long time it can attract a poltergeist.
The poltergeist feeds himself with the strong emotional energy...
...creating thinks like knocking on doors, ghostly events, flooding bathtubs,voices...

In Jolene's case I think she had experiences with a stalker when she was young...
...and because of her strong emotional energy the poltergeist feeds itself, and is now creating the same events or even making it stronger!

Just an idea...

D. knows his stuff...
...like he should...

I hate posting the last topic

D. just made a stupid reply...
...that's why the don't react!

hi there...allow me a question...have you ever been abused while you was a child?????
Because that may be the key to understand what's going on you.

whered she go, she hasnt been replying for a long time

one love,
mr 450

hiya jolene just wanna say hiya and say you are very brave to be where you are today and still be...well talking to us with what has been going on, now i dont think it would be aliens because aliens are stupid little grey guys that get captured by the fbi.....just proves how smart they are. now i am not religious really in anyway, althou i do believe in sumthing more powerful than us, now a creator just somewhere else we go after this plane of existance. but i do really believe you have some sort of demon or bad spirit following you around.

have you ever considered a.....grrr forgot when they called but priests do em to rid evil spirits, sorry im bad at these things. now ive said im not bible religious but ive seen the effects of what this does and it really does help people.

also does it seem like there are 2 people or things or is there just 1 because i have a theory of what may be happening but dont wanna go into it inless im more certain.

^ suck up

Yeah,

Hope she is still with us...
(I mean not in some kind of institute)

...maybe she got help somewhere.

D. always looks at the positive side of things...
...that's why he and his symbiote are so happy!

Having read all of that , I'm not going to come down on one side or the other, I believe anything me, well almost!
BUT - I do have similar experiences, that are not however supernatural.
They began when I was coming ( far too fast, my doc later told me ) off Seroxat ( Paxil ) , because they were giving me dreadful side effects. And they continue now, three years after. But the experiences only happen if I nap in the afternoons, it has to be a certain level of sleep, not the heavier sleep I fall into at night. It's a form of sleep paralysis, for me, and always, every time, involves sex. Now, I do have a partner, so I'm not simply gagging for it and not getting any! At first it was rape, but I've always been able to ' control ' my dreams, make them how I wish, with a bit of effort, so , although I couldn't wake myself up, ( I'm sure there's threads on here that explain about sleep paralysis ) and was trying to scream, move, fight, I got utterly p*ssed off, after a few times, when I thought ' this is madness! ' So I changed the attacker into my b/f or some-one I fancied like , I don't know, some actor, or some-one, and made it become incredibly pleasurable. So ner, if it was a demon or alien, I'm getting more out of it than them!
I DID speak to a counseller and doctor, since I'm not coy about something to do with my mental health, and the doctor agreed that it could be a reaction to those tablets, still screwing up certain parts of my brain, basically causing this. I think it's true, also it's probably tied in with a mid-ish life crisis, me thinking I'm getting older and not so attractive, ( never was much but you know what I mean! )
I'm not saying this was what Jolene experienced, I only know that my similar experiences, in Sleep Paralysis, are more than likely, due to medication.
Hope it may help if any-one reads this.
Take care all.

From what I read, you have an evil spirit that stays with you and feeds off of your sexual energies. Look up sexual alchemy and read about it, or prayoga. You CAN make this spirit go away if you want, but you need to learn how. For one, and seriously so, start with God and asking for His divine protection. Keep out darkness with light. You are in danger though, I can tell you that.

Interesting Lethe, 3 years is a long time for withdrawal symptoms.

its most definetly demonic
sexual things are ALWAYS demonic
almost as if its a pervertion
wispers almost non threatening but at the same time sexual

ive heard my name being wispered while i walked through my hallway
it was an almost soft and definatly female voice, quite strange
almost distorted kind of with uh slow echo
but i could still heard it clearly
i also feel presents all the time
always threatening like something i have to fight
i have dreams about fighting demons all the time
always with a bible in my hand like its uh job
like its ment to be, almost as if i like doing it even though im scared
because its my duty
i always have the thought of being uh protecter and fighter of god while im having those dreams or feeling the presence
far from your experiences but i know the difference between demonic and angelic....

Hello I am back. I am sorry for the long time no hear. I have read all of the posts. I am glad to read that most were positive and opened minded. Except three of them. I will respond soon.
Before I left, I knew that some people would be inclined to think the worst of me, due to my being gone for such a long time. Hopefully, if they read everything, they would know why I left. I am back now and I will continue to find out as much as possible about this matter.
Some of you are just so kind. I never would have thought that I would find such kindness from strangers. All of the advice is just wonderful. I am even grateful for the negative feedback. It really doesn't hurt to know how I am viewed by many. This, in fact, is a type of measuring stick. I just want you to know that if something is hurting you, scaring you, and controlling you, while enjoying it; you would seek information, you would have questions, you would seek to share your experiences, despite the insult versus understanding.

And what I mean by measuring stick, is that when so many wild and weird things have happened to someone, you do start to think that you are going crazy. You do question your sanity. You really feel threatened by your own mind. Having questions like:
Am I loosing it? Why is this stuff happening to me? Why does this happen at all? What did I do to deserve this? How do I help myself?

After all, crazy people say that they aren't crazy.
I just didn't and don't want to be like that, being closed to the perceptions of the real world.
If I am crazy, I want to know. I want to be straightened up. Even alcoholics have to admit to their problem first, in order to finally start healing.

I have been very distracted lately. You all know that life is it's own drama.
I haven't been able to access any computers long enough to post anything. I also lost my code number to access my account under my name to check all of my messages. I thought long and hard then finally after trying so many possibilities, I found it.
I HUNTED DOWN THIS POSTED TOPIC, day by day. I am again very sorry for so much time lost.

And for the ones that have any questions regarding what you have read, please ask. I am telling the truth and I don't have to worry about you reading my past postings and comparing them to my future postings to see if they don't make sense. The truth has nothing to fear. Everyone knows that if you tell a lie, you have to lie to keep the first one in belief. These all get screwed up and soon you are revealed to be a liar. I am sharing so many of my past experiences with you all. If they are lies. I would mess up in conversing with you all. I would get supposed facts mixed up.

Someone might argue that I could go back and read my past postings, to keep the story or stories straight. That is true. I admit that. I am terribly honest. Even to a fault. I also want that someone to also realize that if I were to go back and hunt down all of my past postings to find (one posting) that someone is inquiring about, to be able to converse with someone on it, that this I assume would really be gruesome work. I mean really--doing this every time someone talks to me about one of my experiences. If they were made up and or exaggerated, I would truly be a car wreck in conversing with people about inquiries on one of my experiences. There is just so many.
And I do have a life. I am simply telling the truth. I am pulling all of this off of my memory. This is the only way to know what each individual is talking about when they PM me. When they send me a message regarding one of my past posts, the only way I can aptly reply is to recall my memory. It is almost impossible to recall some lie made up. You only recall what is memory. Think about it.

I do have a few things I have been through that I want to share. I will soon post them.

Try a prayer to the God.

I don't think that it is strange. I had some serious computer troubles. I had to leave to internet for a while.
I also have been caught up, busy. Long story.
I do go to school. I do have access to a computer at school, but the computers are in a public place where teachers walk around observing what you do. They frown on using internet for recreation instead of school work. Also I just didn't get enough time.

I now have established internet at home again, this time I am protected from hackers and viruses. I just got through a computer class that helped me out in the area of protecting yourself on line.

I didn't want to risk my new laptop to viruses by coming here unprotected. I already lost a brand new computer to doing that before.

So

Sorry for offtopic, but how did you lost brand new PC ? If if was realy messed up, you could just format it or whatever. My guess is that the guy who was fixing your PC cheated you.

I am replying to your accusations. I knew this would happen. I would like to discuss this with you. I want you to understand that by your accusations, you may cause people to completely ignore me and my cries for help in getting any information that I might receive in efforts to help me. I am thinking because of your view toward me, I will be shunned and therefore not receive any help with my problem. My whole point for coming to this site was to find others like myself in this trouble. To seek answers are atleast clues to understanding these experiences of mine.



I have pictures. One of a ghost lady flying between me and my son. I am the one taking the picture and my son is opening presents. I want to know how to post this picture. I hope that it comes out good enough for you all see it well enough. I did show it to my class mates. I didn't tell them anything. I just showed it to my friend at school. She freaked and said something like, what is this?, The class became interested and wanted to take a look. I told her to be quiet for the class to see it. I wanted to see if they would notice it. I wanted to see what their opinions would be. Out of a class of 67 people, only 2 said that it was nothing. These two particular girls were in opposition to the whole class and didn't like me. They were two attractive girls. The guys like me instead of them. I guess that is why they may have a grudge against me. So many people were surprised at them for saying that there was nothing. I want to post this picture, could some one give me some detailed instructions.

I also have a few other pictures. One is of people "orbs" walking into my apartment through the front door. I have one of something sitting at my dinning room table on a chair. I had bought a polaroid camera and took that shot when I felt something in the house next to me at that direction. I also felt something to my right side near my son's bedroom door and took a snap shot of that too. I have a pic of some weird arrow pointing floating in mid air. I also have a pic of some thing all over me and my dogs that I was holding. It surrounded me. I will post these pictures for you all to see. I am not joking. Please send me some instructions on how to post pics. I am sorry that I haven't done this before. You are right to the degree that I haven't provided one shred of evidence to support my claims.
But as for the other experiences of mine. I CAN'T prove. I can't take a picture of the cesaren mark on my lower belly. This wouldn't prove to you that I didn't have a cesaren. I can't. I didn't record the thing when it spoke to me. etc.

From now on, when something happens to me. i.e when I awake with some strange markings on my body, I will take a pic and post. If I know how soon enough.




NOW as for your second paragraph of constructive negativity, I didn't have a paragraph to post a topic. Otherwise, if I would have written a paragraph for a topic, it wouldn't be a topic, wouldn't it. So yes with having only a sentence worth of space to write on, I did.
yes, I began that topic, I recall posting how I searched the sight and couldn't find anything that acknowledged my experiences. Know one was talking about this. I read so much and I decided, once I figured out how to do it, to post
my situations and start a topic. I also recall posting that I DIDN'T KNOW for sure if it was demons are aliens that were my taunters. So hence the title.


To address you on saying that I baited the thread and waited to see what someone might say. If they talked about demons, that I would drop aliens and go for demons, religion, etc.
O' boy, common think for a minute. I said that I DIDN'T KNOW for sure which it is. I have proof to myself that it could be both. I have such a confusing mixture of experiences.

Now think for a minute. If you really wanted to be fair and unbyest, without negativity, you might reason that this site has hundreds of people posting their own beliefs, experiences and ideas. If some one opposed to believing in aliens suggests to me ideas regarding spiritual matters. Who am I to blow their ideas out of the water and say "no no" to them.
You silly

I am going to converse with them and seek possible avenues as to what my problem is and how it relates to their explanation of ideas. What will you be happy with? What will make sense to you.? Should I tell this nice person " no no you are wrong, what is bothering me is both alien and ghosts". WHAT AM I supposed to do? When a person is truly seeking answers, they don't throw away help. I am truly opened minded. A person doesn't learn of the truth if they have your attitude towards everything.

My whole objective is to find answers, possibly even someone who has experienced what I have. I bet you think that you are in the right all of the time. I bet your not open to reason when you already have your mind set. I don't want to be trapped in to that kind of thinking, so if someone has the desire to express their beliefs to me regarding my problem, I do well by being opened minded, hearing them out and discussing the possibilities. I have reason to believe that both things are the cause of my problems. I am not sure thought. If someone offers me an explanation are directs me to a revealing book that could explain to me why I suffer both phenomonons, hey, that is absolutely wonderful.

So, should I shun someone who only believes in aliens and not demons? No, I instead relate to their experiences that correlate to the ones that I have had that seem to be caused by aliens.

I don't think that demons will cause me to have a cesaren. I don't believe aliens will wisper sweet nothings into my ear either. I believe demons have OR A DEMON whispered into my ear. I believe aliens caused me to have this scar.
I have good reason to be confused and to talk on what ever matter someone has info on. It the person is more inclined toward aliens, I lend my ear. I have an opened mind. I am not negative. I am like the rest of us, left in the dark with so many desperate questions.



To your third paragraph. I showed my psychiatrist my cesaren scar. I told her to check my medical history. I reasoned with her. How could I have a cesaren without having a baby or any records of another pregnancy, or even any records of giving birth for a second time.
I had testimonials given on my behalf to testify to my over all temperament and I luckily had my husband come in and relate his experiences since coming to know me. I offered
pics to her.

I explained myself, she listened. My complaints weren't of just seeing things. They were also about things flying off of my walls. Things moving. Things breaking and being set on fire before my eyes. Things turning off and on without a source of electricity. My friend being urinated on and my bed also being urinated on. My friend testified to this.

I was very fortunate to have a psychiatrist that believes in God and good and bad angels.
She said that she couldn't do anything but give me something to help me sleep and to relieve my anxiety. She said that I should contact the leader of my church for spiritual help. She believes me and believes that I have a polterguist.
This is her belief. She lives on and is from earth. I don't know her personal story. But maybe she knows someone are has had personal experiences herself. I don't know.
Her opinion of me is important and is credible. Also the opinions of the other 6 psychiatrists that saw me.

And judging from your third paragraph, you seem to not have any belief in God. That is fine. The problem is that you said that a psychiatrist that is worth a grain of salt would not suggest help from a church. Wow. You aren't to considerate of anyone's beliefs are opinions aren't you. Maybe this is the wrong site for you. Maybe you should go to a closed minded brick head site

Because this site has full of individuals who have their own unique beliefs and you can't really communicate with others without mutilating people's feet. You are going to hurt feelings and insult people. We really don't come here to judge anyone. We come here to explore mysteries of life and relate experiences. Why are you here insulting people, looking for any possible negative thing to say? Why did you even bother to read my stories if you are just going to insult me and not even open your mind to it?

I think that you were here on this site maybe to find some interesting things. Maybe to find answers to something you have been through. I don't know. But you came here for a reason.
What good would this site be if no one posted their embarrassing experiences for us to read and learn from? If too many negative people like you come and insult and try to tear the credibility of others down, who are voluntarily making themselves vulnerable, just for the sake of maybe getting help and answers, people will soon just start slacking off in being open and expressing themselves. And by all means, express yourself. But do you have to be negative? Do you have to say that my doctor and I aren't from earth, then say WTF.

You have to understand my desire to reason with you. My trying to rectify the situation. You have insulted me and you have made fun of me.
You have all of the right. I just don't see why you would choose to.
What did you get out of it?
I was gone for a long time, and you saw it fit to talk ill of me thinking I wouldn't come back. WOW

O boy, I hope not. If your assumption is correct, then my ignorance costed me.

I since then have secured another source to communicate with you all.

I hope this works. go to www.msnusers.com/picsfromJolene

I have a pic of a female ghost in my living room while my son was opening some Christmas pictures on morning. It didn't scan well enough to see what I see on my actual photo, but hey.

I also have a scan of a polaroid of something I felt in my home. It came into my house and I felt it. I took the shot. It appears to be sitting on my chair to my dinning room table. I also felt something in the area of my son's bedroom so you will see a pic of some weird smoky arrow near the floor of his bedroom door. Weird!!!

Look for my email address jo_ladyluck click on my photos
tellme what you think

[I am sorry, this isn't working. I contacted someone to help. I will get it up soon
I didn't mean that

KAZAHEL, what do you think?

Yes my assumptions are correct, no virus can kill your PC it can just mess up OS which is very easy to fix with full format.

My husband is a computer technician. If you had a really bad virus then you could have just wiped your hard drive clean and reinstalled windows.
I looked at your photos and not to sound mean or anything but, I don't see anything paranormal with them.
What are we supposed to be looking at in photos 2 and 3 with your son?
The other ones look like someone was smoking a cigarette or burnt a pizza. Sorry

I, first of all, want to thank you for checking them out. Your opinion means much to me.
After all, there can be so many ways to view a pic.

On pic 2 and 3, to the top left. A white face of a woman.
She is facing left as though she is gliding away. I have the picture at home obviously and seeing it personally, I can see also peices of white dangily strings of her garment all across the room. Even a piece may be viewable to you on one of the presents. The green one.

I initially didn't want to point out where the ghost was on the pic, just to see if it was visible to people right off.
But I see, now, that it's not clear enough on screen.

I will try to figure out how I actaully got those pics on that web site. I have more.

And as for the cigerette smoke you said. I do smoke, but I only smoke outside away from my home. My son has terrible asthma and I can't let myself contribute to this. I myself has suffered from this, as a child, and my parent and family didn't bother to smoke elsewhere for my health. I know what it can do.

Anyway, my house is smoke free. I simply felt something coming from that direction and I remembered my polaroid and snap snap. There was something there. I took many pictures. I have spent so much money on taking a bunch of nothing pictures, over the span of time. I caught these when I actually felt something. When I was alone. It's funny to, because the feeling that I remember getting from that thing was very bad. It made me feel scared.

What about that weird arrow thing floating above the floor infront of my son's bedroom door?
And please consider one thing.
How many pictures of ghosts does any one family have? In my honest opinion maybe 2.
I have never been told by friends that they have one pic of a ghost.
I think that if a person has more than three pics that they may as well have ghosts.
I have, in my opinion, six. I have to scan all of my photo albulms to check for more that I have missed. I will soon post the rest of the remaining pics that I haven't done yet for you all to view.

1. thing sitting on kitchen chair
2. weird arrow near son's door
3. people coming in through front door
4. woman in livingroom
5. thing all over me when I was 11 yrs. old
6. thing in my bedroom on my ceiling

I do see something in the pic of your baby and the other one too! But did you say there was a woman presence near you? I thought it was only a man. Did I skip something??

You didn't miss anything, atleast I don't think so. You see, I have a mother in law that very badly wanted to survive long enough to see her only grandson born. She had cancer and was dying in the hospital bed while I was still pregnant. I gave birth two weeks after her death. This female face very much resembles her face. I even had dreams of her after her passing. She hated me. I guess that was because I became more important to her son than she was. That was her opinion, not her son's.

Anyway, yes there has always been some male figure around me. Or atleast it wants me to believe that.
And so, I think that she was there to see her grandson enjoy opening all of his presents that Christmas morning. I also just woke up and I don't smoke in the house. This is not smoke. I didn't just get through cooking. I had just woke up and sat on the couch to take pictures of my baby. We were about to move, and that is why I had no tree at that time, and no furniture as well.

Hello,

I, while being very open-minded.. Have to take this thread with a grain of salt.

You've posted it like a novel/thriller. You've casually joked with people inbetween posts, when you say you are so emotionally overwhelmed, If such atrocious things were really happening, who would ever be able to talk in a joking mood? It would consume your every thought.. I know it would for me.

Also, from what I've seen, basically Everything that could have possibly gone wrong if you actually were stalked by an entity, Did. I have never heard of a case so extreme as this that did not result in insanity and death for the person affected. If it was happening people would notice it immediately in your behavior, and if you were being harmed so often that was making you even unable to speak, How on earth could you keep up with school? I have not yet been through college, few years still.. But I've heard it's some hard work .

Then there's the pictures, why do you only have random photos like that? Surely if so many of your posessions were being destroyed, you would take photos. And I see nothing substantial in the pictures, the ones with your son were taken with flash on, Flash can cause all kinds of glares and effects, turning small pieces of dust into large orbs, etc... And we naturally will try to attatch a face to something unrelated if we believe there might be one. The uninvited guest one looked like a blur on the camera lens, or light that was hitting the lens at the time you took the pic. Thinks like that can happen when pictures are developed, also.

How could you afford to constantly replace all your possesions that you said were being broken? That would rack up an impressive bill.. If you were supported with a job from your husband, how were you able to afford it? Maybe I'm assuming too much here, but I'm just going by average American wages.

And the psychiatrist problem, As was said before.. psychiatrists follow strictly scientific treatment methods, If I were to tell one you're story he would likely say you had skizophrenia or something. It's interesting how only you felt the weather different at that one point? It can't be one thing for one person and one completely different thing for everyone else, without hallucination occuring.

Then lastly, there's the computer. You simply can't have your computer Hardware destroyed by viruses, as was aforementioned... Only files and information that are stored within your hard drive. And even if you had, it would've been much cheaper to take it to a repair shop than buy a new one.

Again, I am an open minded person.. I'm not trying to be rude, I just find flaws with this so I have to beleive what I interpret it to be.

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Hello,

I, while being very open-minded.. Have to take this thread with a grain of salt.

you've posted it like a novel/thriller. You've casually joked with people inbetween posts, when you say you are so emotionally overwhelmed, If such atrocious things were really happening, who would ever be able to talk in a joking mood? It would consume your every thought.. I know it would for me.

Also, from what I've seen, basically Everything that could have possibly gone wrong if you actually were stalked by an entity, Did. I have never heard of a case so extreme as this that did not result in insanity and death for the person affected. If it was happening people would notice it immediately in your behavior, and if you were being harmed so often that was making you even unable to speak, How on earth could you keep up with school? I have not yet been through college, few years still.. But I've heard it's some hard work .

Then there's the pictures, why do you only have random photos like that? Surely if so many of your posessions were being destroyed, you would take photos. And I see nothing substantial in the pictures, the ones with your son were taken with flash on, Flash can cause all kinds of glares and effects, turning small pieces of dust into large orbs, etc... And we naturally will try to attatch a face to something unrelated if we believe there might be one. The uninvited guest one looked like a blur on the camera lens, or light that was hitting the lens at the time you took the pic. Thinks like that can happen when pictures are developed, also.

How could you afford to constantly replace all your possesions that you said were being broken? That would rack up an impressive bill.. If you were supported with a job from your husband, how were you able to afford it? Maybe I'm assuming too much here, but I'm just going by average American wages.

And the psychiatrist problem, As was said before.. psychiatrists follow strictly scientific treatment methods, If I were to tell one you're story he would likely say you had skizophrenia or something. It's interesting how only you felt the weather different at that one point? It can't be one thing for one person and one completely different thing for everyone else, without hallucination occuring.

Then lastly, there's the computer. You simply can't have your computer Hardware destroyed by viruses, as was aforementioned... Only files and information that are stored within your hard drive. And even if you had, it would've been much cheaper to take it to a repair shop than buy a new one.

Again, I am an open minded person.. I'm not trying to be rude, I just find flaws with this so I have to beleive what I interpret it to be.

WOW--that was gut renchingly honest. I surely do thank you for not being rude.
I am not being sarcastic. I really don't mean any offense. I do hope that you are on line now so that you can read this.

First, I think that you have the time line all messed up. That is partly my fault. These events occured over a span of 8 years. I can see what you were saying. If ALL of these things were happining to me or anyone even in a span of 2 or 3 years, this would prove to be disasterous. I have absorbed it and fought to keep my witts.

Yes, I do joke around. I have to keep my sense of humor. What's wrong with that?


Also, I wrote most of my experiences on this forum a year ago. At that time, I was very upset, because these things were messing with me, at that time, on a regular basis. Now, I am not currently going through such a rough time. Yes, things happen on and off, but it isn't as bad as it was. That's not to say that what ever it is that bothers me is not going to bother me ever again. I am just trying to clarify the timeline for you and all who read this.

I just picked up two days ago from this date 05-27-06. Today being 05-29-06.
I wrote my experiences to all a year ago.
Now that I am picking up where I left off, I now know that this will confuse people.

I am sorry for not picking up on that earlier to make myself easy to understand.

And as for me posting it like a novel/thriller. I am good at details. I express myself fluently. I am in college after all. I have a talent at trying to make people understand where I am coming from. I try. And when I go through such terrible things, I am absolutely consumed by it. I get extremely depressed.
You seem to be dissipointed that I am not momments away from suicide.
I hope I am wrong.
I don't really think that you are wanting someone to feel that way.
And as for your statement about how a person usually dies are goes completely insane from these experiences. You said that you haven't heard of anyone going through these things unless the two above circumstances occur afterward. Well, now you know that this isn't always the outcome. I am telling the truth and I am still kickin. I will live and fight for everybit of enjoyment life has to offer. I have a son to live for, this, at times, was the only reason I didn't take my life, in the past. I am the only one who loves him for real. I am the only one that will be there for him unconditionally. I have such an innocent lil son, who is deserving of a mother above ground.
So yea, I am human and I have rezielence in that I do move on and try to learn from my past. I am a strong person, that may be one reason why I am bothered.

Think about this.

What if every single person went bananas after an encounter? They would all claim to have experiences with demons are aliens etc. Wouldn't this reveal them to the world? I mean, if perfectly sane people, all of a sudden, went crazy, and all had experiences, wouldn't this expose them?

I don't know about you, but I heard this saying. The Devil's greatest trick was fulling people into believing that he dosen't exist. And yet, the devil and his buddies choose certain individuals to bother and taunt for their heartless entertainment.

So, it is easy to assume that these things do not want everyone to firmly believe in their existance. All of us would come together and find a way to rid of them, maybe.

And what about aliens? I don't think that they want everybody to know about their existance here. That is why they conspired with the government in the 50's.
That is why they experiment on us and then cover up our memories of their gruesome experiments with memories that we personally will most likely believe.
I, and so many others, assume that even aliens do not wish to have every one firmly believe and be aware of what they do and are. That is why so many visit in our sleep, at night. That is why they drug us and mess with our minds. What they are doing isn't very nice to us.


This a possibility of what happened to me. How did I find this out? Well, I got this info from someone who emailed me a site to visit containing this info. This person read my experiences and offered me some help. Constructive help that inspires me to come to this site.

I am not saying that your views aren't constructive. Believe me, please. You see, because of you posting your views, I have a chance to look at this in a different light. I can take what you have voiced, in letters, and further explain myself, which only helps me clarify myself to everyone else who is reading what is in my heart's mind.

This is very constructive. I thank you for that.
Further, I keep up with school, barely. It is difficult just attending school everyday without these problems, so just imagine going to school while this is happening. But, like I said before, I went through a dark time when I first started posting this. I am now doing much better, as compared to my life a year ago.
I must say, again, that still things do occur. They are just on a much smaller scale.
This accounts for my decent mood.

I also said a few times of how I am bothered for a while and then they (what ever it is) leave me alone for a time. By now, I have learned to enjoy my time free from their hold.
I am 23 and I have experienced so much, that I seem so much older to everyone who meets me. I seem to be 37. I feel like I am 45. This crap will put a whole lot of mileage on ya. I mean, if you suffer such tramatizing things and get the crap scared out of you almost literally, what else can someone do? I stopped being concerned with the mondane things in life, i.e. what's the latest band out man? O' my hair is just so flat today. I broke a nail, boo boo hoo. O' that is just so hot. My babies' daddy didn't give me my money last week Gurrl,
etc.

I ponder on what is really going on out there. I want to know. I have been exposed to so much for so long. I know for a fact that these things exist. This is something I believe. Therefore, I can't help but wonder about it. I don't have enough time in my lifetime to devote the time that this very thing well deserves me to, just to guess aimlessly, only to hope that I am on to something.


And as for my pictures, I am not finished posting them. I am working on that. I have a huge box of photoes to look through, and after all I am a mother who goes to school. I am stretching my time as wisely as I can. And yet, I did manage to find some and post them, and you were pretty quick to assume that those pics were the only ones I have. You could have asked if I had more.

They are random pics because I grew up with this crap in my life and for a long time I didn't know that these things were weird and only happened to selected few. I didn't think to document my life during my childhood or even during my teen years. I was a young mother. I was extremely busy and couldn't afford equipment to buy, in order to gather the type of proof everyone wants me to provide. I also just didn't think about it. I really didn't. So these photos are random. What else could they be? We take pics when we think about it. Some thing shows up, it shows up.


And as for my things being destroyed, I didn't say that they took my entire house and cumbeled it up to throw it away.

Once in awhile, my cup would shatter. Once in--well--a few times my dishes all flew out of my drawyers and crashed on the floor, all at once, in the middle of the night.
. Yes some things I was looking at set on fire before, some of those things were other people's things. Believe it or not. I got extremely angry and it happened. Once in awhile a picture would fly off of the wall. I never claimed that what they did was costing me a fortune.

The things I mentioned are just a few of the things that have broke. But how do you assume that this must have cost me so much. Are you just looking for any and every little thing that you could possibly cast doubt on?

Now, let's get to your real serious points of argument against the validity of my experiences.
Ofcourse, if you were to tell someone my story, you would certainly leave out the emotion only I could feel, due to having personally experiencing these things. You would certainly fail to represent me or my case to any ethical psychologist or psychiatrist.
I am currently taking psychology in college and I know what my teacher would say, because she has said it so many times. She would say something to the effect of "I don't know her side of the story. She isn't here being given a chance to say her part. In psychology, there is always a side to a story. My side, your side, and the truth. Your side is an opinion of what I put in language to describe and express myself. And language, being the best form of communication we have to work with, without jumping into eachother's minds and fully experiencing what a fellow human being is going through or remembers going through, sadly fails at fully capturing the actual essense of a person's real core feelings.
How is that so, you might argue. Think about it. I make a mistake or fail to mention some things and someone reads or listens to my words. There is room for misunderstandings, and left out details that cause doubt. Ever heard of someone complaining of their spouse always arguing? Anyone can play with words and argue on both sides to a matter.
We just make a lot of good choices and ill informed ones too. Due to our limited ability to communicate. Someone is reading this connecting the dots to what I am saying.
Dot one, you misunderstood me earlier, thinking that I was going through all of this stuff recently and you brought out how I was unusually in a good mood, being all cheerful, when I should have been misereable. You took what I accidently didn't address and misunderstood me. This happens. Not the end of the world, Yet!!
I failed to recognize that someone could easily read all of my posts and assume that these events are occuring at present.
You see. Dot two, language fails to communicate the little details that affords us ultimate understanding of one another.

My point.
If you were to represent me during a visit to a psychologist or psychiatrist, I wouldn't even be given the chance to represent my mind fully to this person, and yet, still--I, again, would only be limited to language in expressing my thoughts, experiences, etc, to this person, if I were to go with you and see one AGAIN for an evaluation that is only as valid as the many human beings brains' that conjured up all of the many, many theories that this person would be juggling around in their head to diagnose me with something that in effect is a product of what little knowledge we have, at this time, about the human brain, at the first place.

Many students start talking about someone they want to help with their problems. They state their complaints about the person, and then she can only give limited solutions and or helpful ideas to them for their friends. She often said that she dosen't really know the problem because the actual person having the problem wasn't present.
Now, no one asks anymore, because they now know that she is ethical and a respector of persons and their thought patterns, as to explain how and why they are feeling and or doing what they do.

My point is, if you were to go to an unethical psychologist or psychiatrist, you would spill our all of your opinion of my situation, no emotions attatched, you probably wouldn't beable to keep from being byest and well--I would be spoken ill of.

Is this fare and right?
No


And hallucinations. Hello, look up the word and it's meaning. Now compare it to what goes on when a spirit creature messes with someone's head. Compare it to what a person would go through if an alien is drugging them or telepathically messing with them.

Hallucnations are an altered perception of realty.



My computer, you mentioned, yes, I was stupid. I didn't know better. I got screwed. It dosen't mean that I am some liar, that I made up the whole thing.

I just remember trying to type my name down on the screen and I had to wait forever just for the letter J to come up. Then so on for O L E N E.
I had someone look at it, and well, I was told that I would be better off getting a new one and then putting better firewalls for protection from viruses, etc.

So I was excluded from my friends for a while.
But I still cared enough to come back.
I assume that with busy life and all that many other people might just forget about this forum and forget about a topic they might have started. That's not me. I actually do care about these things. Isn't that painfully obvious, I type for ever and ever about this subject WITHOUT PAY


I just can't help myself, I feel like I must explain myself. I did, after all, start this topic and I must make sure that everyone can understand me. This is how I feel. That is why I explaine my position to you all when I feel misunderstood.

See you all soon. I need an advil and a butt massage

^

Also the poll about whether we believe you or not seems really out of place. If this was really happening, why would you care if we believed you or not? I'd just be thankful if one person believed me.

As for the photos, I have a whole bunch just like yours if not even "spookier". I won't lie, I used to try to make myself believe that they were something paranormal. Then I surfed around the internet and found all these examples of photographic anomalies. And to my disappointment I could pretty much explain every photo as being some sort of glitch, whether it be hair in front of the lense, camera straps, lense flare, etc.

I also found out about matrixing which is the human mind's natural tendency to find familiar shapes in complex shapes or colors. I think everyone does this and if you look in almost any photo with an abnormality then you will find some sort of human face or shape.
Sometimes you just have to accept that it is not something paranormal.

I remember there was a time when if something I thought was unexplainable happened to me then my first thought would be that it was paranormal. I later realised that this was due to my fear of the paranormal, my fear of the unknown. As much as I was afraid of it, part of my mind wanted it to happen.

My door handles used to shake even if no one was around...or so I thought. I used to be so scared that I didn't even investigate to see if there was any other cause. Later when I finally worked up enough nerve, I opened the door at the exact same time the handle was shaking only to find..my cat sitting there! He was jumping up at the handle wanting to be let in and I just assumed in the dark of the night that it had to be something paranormal.

I used to hear voices in the middle of the night as well. I suffer terrible periods of insomnia and I was often the only one awake. When I heard those voices I would be convinced that it was a spirit. Again when I worked up enough nerve to further investigate, I found it was only my husband and daughter talking in their sleep.

I think you need to ask yourself if you have investigated every possible logical explanation before deciding it was paranormal. And if some part of you conciously or subconciously wants these incidents to be paranormal.

I am not a skeptic, I do believe in spirits. But, I also believe in investigating every other possibility as well.

I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes

Please read every post from me and then you will read one of my postings that will tell of how I ended up bleeding, sore in the mouth, jaw, throat and of how I was sore elsewhere, from one of my experiences. I also have a cesaren scar that no doctor nor I can account for. I have friends that witnessed some incidences at my home.
I have so called friends that left my house after an incident and never came back.
I have a husband who, now that he lives with me, cannot bring himself to deny. What I claim is now what he claims too.
My ex-husband started experiencing things after getting close to me.

I wish that I could just rule these things out, not the case.
That would be great. I wouldn't have to put up with it or anything.
Now my pics may be something you do not agree with me on. That is cool.
I thank you for your viewing them. Also, I ask people what they think, because I am interested.

I already believe in my own experiences.
That can't be changed.
I like feedback. I need advice. And at the time that I first started posting my experinces, I was terribly scared of loosing my mind. So I put up a poll to see how I would be viewed by others, to see if I was considered crazy.

I just had such fear of loosing my mind under all of the stress that I was under.

Again, I thank you.
Please read further into my postings, you will find some details that can't be explained away.

o.O" Creepy

Oh yeah, I remember this thread alright. Your first sentence doesn't sound crazy it sounds like sleep paralysis. Everything else however.....



Wow that's a lot of pictures. It seems to me that someone who is currently being raped and/or stalked by a demon and/or alien wouldn't be so open about showing themselves off. But hey, that's just my opinion. And that's a quote from when this was all going on. I looked back to see what I said about it then and amazingly enough I didn't say anything.



Same thing goes for this 'poem' or whatever it is. Being at the height of fear but being able to threaten someone with your burden. Cute.

DEAR JOLENE,
As a woman who has been through something with am Alien Being, I believe everything that you have written about. My experiences may have not been as dramatic as yours or lasted as long, but I know it happened....I support you and always will......

People deal with situations differently. In my case if I was stressed out by something, I would go out all the time and try to be positive. Some other people would just get in their rooms and sleep all day trying to not think about it. People are different.

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Oh yeah, I remember this thread alright. Your first sentence doesn't sound crazy it sounds like sleep paralysis. Everything else however.....
Wow that's a lot of pictures. It seems to me that someone who is currently being raped and/or stalked by a demon and/or alien wouldn't be so open about showing themselves off. But hey, that's just my opinion. And that's a quote from when this was all going on. I looked back to see what I said about it then and amazingly enough I didn't say anything.

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Same thing goes for this 'poem' or whatever it is. Being at the height of fear but being able to threaten someone with your burden. Cute.

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Being at the height of fear but beign able to threaten someone wiht your burden.

Here we go again!
Who says that I CAN NEVER enjoy life? Do you think that I souldn't?
I am able to live my life. I laugh.

Even people in concentration camps, at times, told stories, sang songs and reminisced about the past. They were suffering more than I, can't I just actually joke around with people.

You obviously cannot see how someone can go through what I have, and still be capable of normalcy.

Maybe you are comparing yourself and how you personally might handle a life like mine.
Maybe you personally wouldn't be able to bounce back into society in the way that I have.

This comparing yourself and the way you think I should handle it, is unrealistic.

Just layoff, live and let live.
I am my own person, you are your own person.

What if you suffered through hell and you, out of desperation, seeking info, posted your experiences, and someone, in an around about way, decided to pester you about how they think you aren't miserable enough.

And on top of it all, what if they looked to nit pick about every little thing that they could to discredit you and your frightening experiences, all the while saying, in tactful ways, that you were crazy.

How would you feel?
Did you ever consider the possibility that I could be telling the truth, and that your cynical postings are like a spit in my mouth.


Another thing, you don't quite understand what I was talking about a year ago with Mo.
He was posting stuff that was funny, to bring some cheer to the whole topic. I played along with him. You might consider one thing. Some people do handle sadness, fear, stress, etc., by laughing,you know!

I urge you, actually take the time to read it. You will see.

I posted that joke, about sending my *friend* to moe, in response to his funny posting.
I also had in mind the truth about how my friends and family experience things when they get mad or be mean to me. I took the experience of this and used it to address moe.
He expressed doubt in the entity being any real threat. I wanted for him to not challenge the thing that I know to really exist.

Now,you will also see that one of his postings offended me later. I responded, trying to reason with him. He stopped. Later we chatted about poetry and I even posted some for him to read. I did, however, removed my poetry for legal reasons.


Now, consider another thing, should I be so scared to take pictures of myself?
Should I be hiding in my closet?
I did, however, isolate myself for a time, trying to deal with everything.
But, should I not take pictures?
What will pictures do to me?
Demons and or Aliens bother a person regardless of what pictures they have and take.
Carefully read your last post to me. It says "It seems to me that someone who is being currently raped and/or stalked by a demon and/or alien wouldn't be so open about showing themselves off."

If they come right into your home whenever the urge strikes them, does pictures cause this to occur more?

Try something, although I may seem to be upset with you, I am actually not, try to think within yourself for a moment and ask yourself for the real reason behind your position with me.

Reveal this and we can hopefully stop this back and forth negativity.
I would like to post back to someone who is going to try.

My posting a pic or five will not be a problem for me. Millions of people do it like drawling in air. They are alive. It is reasonably safe to display a pic or so. It's not like I am displaying nude ones with my address posted along with a map.

I laugh too. What do you mean "here we go again"? I didn't talk to you before. Don't generalize me from the start.



Don't compare yourself with people in concentration camps. Do you really need that much attention? That is just sad. And I must say a bit sick.



Well I'm just going to be blunt and say I think you made it all up.



Maybe you know nothing about me? Maybe I've had a REAL mental illness and I'VE come back into society? Maybe when people make stuff up it really gets under my skin?



Exactly. You're the one who wanted input on your 'experiences'. Well do you want input or not? If you ask for people to tell you if they believe you then you'll have to learn to handle it when people tell you they don't.



You mean what if I made up a story and posted about it and then asked everyone what they thought and then got mad when people didn't believe me?



I don't think you're crazy at all. I know what crazy is. I think you want attention, negative or positive.



Like laundry detergent.



Well don't ask for other's opinions then. Write it all down and publish it under a mysterious pseudonyme.



Okay gotcha. You wished your horrible concetration camp like experience on someone else but it was okay because it was a joke.



Four thousand????? Yeah go ahead take away. Post them all.



I know what my post says because amazingly enough, I wrote it. I stand by what I wrote. A normal person under trauma does not behave the way you were behaving. It's just human nature. If what you claim to have happened to you really happened to you, you would be in a closet somewhere. I firmly believe that.



Oh good. I remember when all this was happening last time. I'm not just going to watch this time.



Try and what? Come around to believing you? That's not going to happen. If you just want to talk to people who believe you then what's the point in asking if people believe you in the first place? Makes no sense.

I hate this i roam around these forums reading all these cool experiences and I want to see something so bad. I have never seen an alien, ghost, nothing. I have taken ghost tours and saw some cool looking old buildings and heard the stories but never saw a thing. I wish I could see something so I could beleive this stuff but man as hard as I try to find something I get nothing. I live in texas San Angelo to be exact and I have been to marfa to see the lights and didnt see a thing there either, however others of the group said they did see some things wierd. It has gotten so bad I am afraid that my subconcious is going to create something that isnt real just because I want to see it so bad. Any suggestion as to where to go to see a ghost or ufo or anything. I know it off subject but I need some proof.

I know that it is unusual and that might contribute to your interest in seeing something, if I were you, I would be just happy for not dealing with the fear of it all.
I am sorry, I really don't have any idea where you could go to find something to see.

Wish you well.

Your bravery has impressed me.
I’ve enhanced one of your photos.

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I can't tell you how amazed I am to see this photo so clearly on this posting.
I can't thank you enough. I am so grateful to you. I really thank you for doing what you did. I think this photo is just amazing and I wanted to share it with all of you and I was disappointed with how poorly it came out on the posting with my scanner. I thank you again.
You did great

Like I previously suggested...it is smoke. And there is nothing in that photo that is paranormal.


Thank you Ethyl for saying what I didn't have the guts to say

Agreed.

I couldn't have written it better myself. I again thank you Ethyl for saying what I didn't have the guts to say

threats or a promise???

and......what does crucked stick mean??
As mentionned earlier, when posting an experience in a forum, be it true or not, you are going to get feedback from the skeptics and from the believers, if you cannot handle the disbelief, don't post them.
just my 2 cents.

I don't see anything paranormal in any of the pics either.

And you are welcome!

Thank you, not a problem.
I’m inclined to think you’re dealing with alien abductions but I can understand the confusion; they really do look like the cliché stereotypical imagine of demons. To say this blew my mind when I found this out is an understatement! I still can’t believe it but for me it’s not a question of faith I know for a fact they’re here and as you well know, they’re quite hostile to humans.
I’ve enhanced one of your photos. Of course it’s inconclusive on it's own (as the skeptics cry out) but I still find it strange. Like you said; they have the ability to pass through matter, although I have no idea how they achieve this. I also understand your frustrations in wanting people to believe you.
Alas without the irrefutable evidence some people will never believe you. It’s not really their fault I can’t blame them for not believing; but don’t worry because if everyone knew about this, I doubt there is anything any of us could do about it anyway.
The strength of will is solely upon the ones who have to endure the alien’s presence.

Goodluck.

Hi Jolene.

I have just read about you. I firmly believe that things like that happen. And it is very difficult for anybody to prove that. Infact we need not prove that. Just that we can not prove the pain in our head when we have a headache. But only we know that there is pain.

Yes, It makes a huge difference when it's sideways. Heres a full size sideways.. (it's vertical facing in the msn pcitures) With a few comments by me heh. Those saying it's smoke, Cmon, smoke will almost never get in such a specific formation where you can see a mouth, eyes, nose, face, neck, body, hair.. And besides she did say there was no smoke, It doesn't look like smoke either. It has a much more "glowing" appearance. Smoke is just gray, and has no reflective properties.

Look here to find out about pareidolia. The smoke didn't 'get in a specific formation' that is just want humans tend to see. We tend to pick out human faces in random things.
It could be smoke, altered, paint on the wall, etc.
Yes she says there's no smoke, she says a lot of stuff. If you believe her then you would believe that she wouldn't alter the pictures. I however, do not believe her so I don't put it past her to alter the pictures. I don't think this one was altered because it's not that good and I don't think she'd know how.
If you have enough lights and mirrors you can reflect anything.
Just my humble opinion though.