Although there is no right or wrong when looking at a photo of this nature. We all know the score of ‘how the mind can see recognizable shapes’ in clouds etc. Still, I believe it’s possible to capture the energy signal as an alien enters through the wall. Not saying that’s what this photo is but who knows? It’s a subjective opinion but I can make out a cloaked form which is consistent with reports of a known alien type. Interesting but inconclusive. Could be nothing, could be everything. It's a mystery, so qualifies to be posted in the unexplained mysteries forum.


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um...all I see is smoke in that pic...

and ethyl....you know I heart you, right?

Being skeptical is easy. I’m inclined to believe her because her writing style is indicative of someone recalling true events. What those events are is another question.
There are certainly indications of the alien’s modus operandi.
I wish I had some useful advice, if it is the aliens then it’s tough because they have the ability to act covertly and with impunity.
My advice would be; in moments of confusion always separate what you ‘know’ what you ‘believe’ what your intuition is and speculations. Don’t be afraid to say ‘I don’t know’ and always look for the most plausible explanation first. Common sense really.

Saying that, I still think people should still be aware of the possibility of alien abductions. Just because it freaks the aliens out. These alien’s top priority is to remain covert.

If you don’t believe these aliens exist, fair enough but I recommend you place it under ‘to be remembered until further evidence is available’. available you personally of course

Thanks! I heart you too!



That is a matter of opinion and not a valid argument at all. Stephen King can write in the style of someone recalling true events. It still doesn't make the events true.



How is that picture an indication of an aliens mode of operation??? And if aliens have the ability to be invisible and go thru walls why do they need to act covertly??



Yes, advice well heeded. I don't 'believe' aliens are raping people and I 'know' that picture isn't proof.



How is an alien going to know what I believe? If it can know if I believe in it or not then again why does it need to be covert? This statement is a bizarre circular pattern that belongs in a field in England.



Is that a threat? Should I be worried that an alien/demon (because last I heard she didn't know which it was) is going to come out of the wall and appear on my pictures and then molest me?? Funnily enough, I'm not in the least bit worried.

It is amazing to me that some people actually see something in that photo. There is no clear image of a face, and the smoke doesn't look glowing to me
I wish I had a scanner because I have a bunch of photos that were taken at a New Year's party where people were smoking. If Jolene's photo impressed you then mine would blow you away.
Smoke does all sorts of interesting things in photos and you can also see whatever you want in it, kind of like clouds. You are looking for some sort of recognizable form, even if there isn't really one there.

Wow, thank you for that. I am wondering though, could you go into detail about your experience. I am interested. Maybe there will be something in your experience that might offer further understanding of these things. That is one of the most powerful reasons why I even bother to post mine. I do thank you very much for your support. My saying what I have been through isn't fun or easy either.
I do, however, enjoy learning about possible explanations, and I am so greatful to everyone who sends me messages about sites I can check out for info.

For people like us, who have had unusual experiences will never loose the drive to want to know why.

Hope to read from ya soon.

Yes but you don’t know for a fact it’s smoke, just as I don’t know for a fact it’s an alien.
Opinions. Did I pretend otherwise concerning this photo?



Or course it’s matter of opinion, hence in this case I used the word believe. Who said anything about an argument? All arguments concerning this subject on forums like this, can only lead to circular arguments.



I love when skeptics expect you explain all the aspects of the situation. Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but judging from you position concerning alien contact no doubt you are, however you bring up some valid points. I don’t know is the honest answer. Seems illogical doesn’t it. Maybe it’s a question of energy supply.. mere speculation. However it does not mean alien abductions do not happen.
You can only say it’s probably not happening and that’s it. It all depends on personal experience eg what evidence have you personally seen? No doubt because you and mainstream science does not have access to the irrefutable evidence then you consider it highly probable all alien abductions are merely the product of the human imagination (including all sleep disorders). In some case you’d be correct but certainly not all case.



All photos are inconclusive especially in this day and age; what science needs is an alien corpse. Does science possess an alien corpse? Highly probable. But as we all know mainstream science does not possess an alien corpse.

You don’t believe aliens are raping people, that’s cool I respect your belief.
I think the rape may have been a medical procedure? It could have been rape, according to Dr Jacobs these half alien half human hybrids are into to abusing the abductees. Again I don't know if this is a fact. I don't know if there is a Hybrid program in action, but I do know these aliens exist in objective reality and that is a fact. A not well known fact granted but a fact nevertheless. One day it may be proved to you or may not. Not alot anyone can do about it.




Telepathy. These aliens are telepathic. Believe it or not. Or don't use faith at all and wait untill further evidence is available like an open minded skeptic should.



lol Not a threat but an accurate assessment of the situation eg The only thing that can convince a skeptic (btw not a insult) like yourself is to see/interact with an alien for yourself. Oh and if it’s verified from an outside source then that’s a bonus. Then, you’ll be worried er as most people would be if they found themselves in this situation.

You said you could make out a cloaked alien figure of what the aliens are supposed to look like. She said she doesn't even know if it was an alien or a demon but I'm glad you sussed it out with that picture.



Go here to learn all the different meanings for the word 'argument'.



I did not ask you to write me a dissertation on the desciption of alien abductions. I just asked about what you said. You said that picture was an indication of an alien's MO. I asked about that. Seems simple enough to me.
Did I state my position on alien contact? I did state my position on aliens raping people.



Well let me just say I think I would be correct in my assertions in EVERY case. Why are you associating me with mainstream science?



No, it is highly improbable that science possesses an alien corpse. If it was highly probable you would be able to back this argument (check how I'm using this word) up with facts. There's just not enough facts to support that statement. There is however all kinds of documented evidence supporting sleep paralysis, hallucination and just plain fantasy.



No, that is your belief. That is not a fact. The term objective reality is not even a factual term.



Oh no. I don't believe any of it. I am an open minded skeptic but I'm not so open minded that my mind has slipped out of my head.



You sure have convinced yourself that this account that this woman related was indeed an alien. Maybe you need to be less open minded (not an insult).
I don't think I have to worry about coming in contact with an alien, but if I do I'll try and get a good snapshot.

Before I say what I have to say, I must first quote here Jolene's first line in her opening post in this thread:



My question now is: Why are some people saying that she's lying and calling her (in other words ) crazy? Did she ask for it? NO. Did she ask " do you guys think what is happening to me is real or not?" NOPE. So why are some of you being so negative towards her? She made this thread to search for help or an explanation about her paranormal experience, not to be put down by a couple of you. In my opinion, if you want to criticize her and call her a liar or that she "see things that doesnt exist" then you should make another thread and complain about it there, not in this one. She doesn't need any of your dashing or your not-so-effective debunking theories, she needs someone that understands whats going on and that could help her with whatever evil thing she's dealing with.

Lol oh dear. Circular arguments here we come.
There are certainly indications of the alien’s modus operandi. I meant in her whole account not just the picture. Assumptions assumptions! You seem to have it in your head I’m basing my opinion on one photo? Yes I can make out an alien, does that mean it is an alien? Of course not! Re-read my post. Looks like school’s out for summer.



Yes you are correct. Very rational but unfortunately you haven’t seen the irrefutable evidence of alien contact. I can make this obvious assumption. Mainstream science is available to all. Military science is not. It is highly probable the military has the irrefutable evidence ie a dead alien..



No, it is your belief that you believe it’s my belief. Assumptions, remember.
Circular arguments around and around...



Yeah haven’t heard that one…brains falling out. I respect skeptic's right to suspend judgement. Like I said; you’re waiting for the irrefutable proof maybe? Or do you know for a fact in this case she is deluded or lying. Not your belief. Not even using probability. Do you know for a fact?



Good for you.. although one problem, your camera won’t work (they'll knock out your camera) rendering it completely useless. But at least you’ll understand the extreme difficulties for a civilian to get hold of the irrefutable evidence. Btw Concerning alien abductions; photos would be considered as inconclusive to science. In fact most people will think you’ve hoaxed it anyway. Like your former self. Irony. Still at least your brains won't fall out..

Yes, she did. She has a separate thread asking 'Do you believe Jolene's experiences'. It's been around for a while just like all of this has been. I don't care what she needs or what you think she needs. I gave my opinion. That's what happens on forums. She only wants to hear what she wants to hear.



Oh my, well then say what you mean! I can only respond to what you say because unlike the aliens I can't read your mind.



Looks like it is. Okay, you said you can make out a hooded alien figure. I said you must have sussed it was an alien and not a demon? Well? Looks like you have. School's out forever.



I suppose you have access to military science? Hhhmm. Look around and see who is closer to military science, me or you? I wonder....



Click here for the definition of fact.



Yeah, that one is a classic.



I can say that I know for a fact that is what I believe just like I said. Why don't you re-read MY post?



Yeah keep thinking that. It's still just your opinion. You have proof anything can telepathically knock out a camera? I didn't think so.



Oh yeah a snapshot wouldn't be proof, I know but I'd have a great picture for people to argue about, wouldn't I? I am not my former self, I'm still me thanks. I've still yet to be abducted. I told you, I'd let you know when that happened. No my brains will stay firmly in place unless your friends suck them out with telepathy. Somehow, someway I'll get a message here tho.

You know I always find it most humorous how when someone asks for people's opinions on something they are always kindest to the ones who agree blindly with them.
I was here when the OP was around to begin with and I remember all the stuff that went on then and I seem to remember stating that fact when I was responding to her in this thread. She's probably put me on ignore because people who are firm believers don't want to listen to anyone else. They only want to listen to other believers. Talk about open minds...

To Daniella2310,

Once in a while someone comes around and is supportive. I can't tell you how much your posting meant to me right now. I really did go through my experiences and it really sucks when your insulted and pesterred.

You are right. I didn't ask for insults.

I TOTALLY AGREE with your point that if someone wants to insult and belittle me, they should start a topic of their own and do this black hearted thing there.

coldHEARTEDethyl is right about one thing though, I did start a topic called, what do you think about Jolene's experiences?

coldHEARTEDethyl didn't realize one thing though, I started that topic so that when I should receive insults etc, it should be MOSTLY there. After all, I am actually asking what their opinions are by a poll. The poll I made humbly listed choices like: send her to a padded room, etc.

I am realistic though, I know everyone has their opinions and I am glad for people like you Daniella who are compassionate. I hope that I could focus my attention to actually posting my experiences again soon and not having to reply and read a particular bored person's idea of entertainment and source for enjoyment.

I do welcome someone's input, be it disbelief or belief, but if it is done in a disrespectful childish way, I obviously will not welcome it.

So many people like yourself have helped me more than you know. If this ethyl character was mature enough, she might have approached me in a constructive way instead of a destructive way. Insulting someone doesn't help them to realize the point attempting to be made. I really think that she never really wanted me to understand her point of view, she just was never open in that way. I asked her to try and she laughed and assumed I wanted her to try to believe me. Twisting my words AGAIN.


The way she approaches me tells me that she is very bored, probably not busy enough on the job.
She just wants to be ugly to people. Have you noticed her other comments to other people? I have, and they, IMHO, show her skepticism. Makes one wonder why she comes to this site at all.

Now, I also think that maybe she comes to this site seeking something. She certainly doesn't come here with the thought of respecting anyone or their experiences.

I tried to reason with her. I really wanted to know more about her position. I initially wanted to read about the info she may have found to convince her that peoples' experiences are ploys for attention. Honestly, if she cared for anyone other than herself, she might have made me to consider and use some logical thinking that is as of now unknown to me.

After all, you know why we post topics and fill them up. We want ideas, and initially we post our own findings and judgements of the experience. Others agree or disagree. If someone agrees, they may add some additional info as to support their opinions. If someone disagrees, they usually POLITELY reason with the topic starter, as to why they disbelieve. She didn't even bother doing that. No she thinks that she knows it allll and she just doesn't show any regard for the existence of the human heart of emotions.


I was actually responding to her last joy ride of bashing my validity as a human, but I lost my signal and couldn't post it. So I was gonna wait to do so when I had time.

I am sure that it is obvious, by now, that this message was not only for you.
I don't want to play games. That is why I am admitting this before hand.
I hope that this doesn't rub you wrong, BECAUSE UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE , I actually value the feelings, beliefs and experiences that a person is capable of having.

I do thank you for standing up for me. You don't even have proof of the validity of my experiences and yet your compassion for me is what makes communicating with fellow humans worth while. The chance that I am telling the truth paired with your good heart inlists your kindness on my behalf. I thank you again.

From now on I am going to address Little miss on the appropriate topic I started for the that purpose.

Since this thread is titled "Aliens, Sexual Experiences and Demons: Experiences, Questions and Theories" I think I am in the right place to say what ever I would like to say about the above topic.

Now let's see what I posted that could have bent you so out of shape?

"Oh yeah, I remember this thread alright. Your first sentence doesn't sound crazy it sounds like sleep paralysis. Everything else however.....
Wow that's a lot of pictures. It seems to me that someone who is currently being raped and/or stalked by a demon and/or alien wouldn't be so open about showing themselves off. But hey, that's just my opinion. And that's a quote from when this was all going on. I looked back to see what I said about it then and amazingly enough I didn't say anything.Same thing goes for this 'poem' or whatever it is. Being at the height of fear but being able to threaten someone with your burden. Cute. hmm.gif

Now looking at what I originally said to you I gave my opinion and I didn't insult Jolene at all.
I even stated that it was only my opinion of your situation. Coldhearted? I think not. But I must say I like the new nick name even though name calling isn't allowed.

That's all I said and that's when you got bent out of shape and said:

"Just layoff, live and let live.
I am my own person, you are your own person.
What if you suffered through hell and you, out of desperation, seeking info, posted your experiences, and someone, in an around about way, decided to pester you about how they think you aren't miserable enough.
And on top of it all, what if they looked to nit pick about every little thing that they could to discredit you and your frightening experiences, all the while saying, in tactful ways, that you were crazy.
How would you feel?
Did you ever consider the possibility that I could be telling the truth, and that your cynical postings are like a spit in my mouth."

You obviously only want to hear sympathy from people who believe you. Why didn't you just start a thread like that?
I'm not trying to insult or belittle you. I guess you're just perceiving it that way because I have a different opinion than you do and you don't want to have to hear it.

You haven't shown me any respect and you have acted childish towards me. I guess if you are peceiving that I've acted that way towards you it is because I'm feeding off the negative, childish way you've acted towards me.
If your goal is not to get people to believe you Jolene, then what is your goal?
You did not try and reason with me and you did not ask me anything about my opinion. Maybe you think you did, but you didn't.

I respect most people's opinions and I come here to this site because I enjoy it and yes I have time to do this while I'm at work. I sit in front of a pc all day and I have the time, so.....I didn't see a sign at the door that said 'believers only'. So don't start in on all that 'she must have to fill up her boring life' crap because it's just not true. I'm here 8 hours a day because that's how long my work day is. Sorry if you don't have a job where this is allowed Jolene.

I see no reason to call me the Little Miss unless you want this to get even uglier. I remember so well how you did your little attacks by saving up supporters and then talking to them about the poster you didn't like. Oh yeah and you didn't quote them either because you rarely address anything that was said. If it doesn't suit you, you ignore it.

My evil, black, hard-hearted self does come to this site seeking something. Something to do with my time at work. Why don't you stop with your assumptions and stop trying to put words in my mouth and stop calling me names and get on with your little play, Jolene. I'll be here to watch it unfold. And when I feel like posting under 'experiences, questions, or therories then I will do so.

Does a double take..
There are plenty of hardcore skeptics in the UM forum yet they are still respectful.

Fact, dictionary definition number 1; Knowledge or information based on real occurrences.
Objective Dictionary definition number 1&2
1Of or having to do with a material object.
2Having actual existence or reality.

Do a google on objective reality.

In defense of Ethyl, I have not seen her post anything disrespectful.
If anything, Jolene's use of "Little Miss" and when she said something about sorting that crooked stick out was disrespectful.
Just because Ethyl (and I) don't believe Jolene's experiences to be true, doesn't mean you should personally attack her.
You posted your experience on a forum, you are going to get opinions whether you ask for them or not. It is only natural, you should know that. And not everyone is going to agree with you.

It is impossible not only for civilians but also for Military to get any evidence particularly photo evidences. Don't think that army (of any nation) has evidences of any supernatural power. It simply can't. These powers are powerful enough not to allow any evidence being recorded/collected. Whatever photos/videos are being presented as a proof of their existence, are just misinterpreted items. And that is why they are controversial. And that is why nobody has a clear-cut proof which is acceptable to a reasonable person.

The only proof is that of self-experiance. Like that of headache. If you say that you have headache and people don't believe you, you just can not do anything.

Responce to coldethyl in proper topic

What do you think about Jolene's experiences

Are you not jolene? or are you speaking in the third person?

OMG!!!! This is a thread I'm gonna have to keep tabs on.
I've ehard about this phenomena, in different forms before.

Some people attribute it demonic force. like incubi/succubi.

I'm not sure what to make of it.

What would you think when you are a teacher and one of students wants to go home saying that he has severe headache. At that time you may decide whether he has headache or not by way he is telling his experience(i.e. pain), his past record etc. etc. But it is quite difficult to say about someone's experience with whom we have no or little interaction.

Still, whenever I hear about such experiences, I assume that the person is not making false stories unless I have reasons to believe that he/she is doing so.

I have done reading on incubi and succubi and I am surprised at the simularities. I just don't think that it could be this that has bothered me.

I don't know how accurate my findings were on this, but according to my research, succubi and incubi live among us and are somewhat human. This may be wrong.

My experiences weren't with some person.

These things that would come into my bedroom were pitch black shaddow figures and sometimes I couldn't see anything. If it was an incubi, this would have to mean that my research wasn't sufficient and incubi could make themseves almost invisible. I don't know. I would like to know.

This thing that has been haunting me or watching me from God knows where, has followed me from childhood.
I have had experiences with other being personalities. Yet this one in particular, I can sense. It just has a certain feeling when it is present. I to this day, for the past two years, have been able to avoid being fully violated. I pray and I have been able to concentrate enough will power to move when It holds me down. This drains all of my strength, but I refuse to let it do. Most of the time now, It lets me know that it is in the room, behind me and infront of me, It just tries to get me now when I am asleep. It does give me feelings of intense anxiety and horrible dreams. It passes by me and says my name.
I awoke one morning to the feeling of it's presence, so I sat up and layed back down. It went right passed my face saying "DO I KNOW YOU" in a sarcastic hello kind of way. It was very strong and large. I just layed there frozen. It has said much to me. I just will always remember these words.

I give just as much respect as is given to me.



Thank you very much. She even did ask for opinions, therein lies the kicker... Jolene just doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion's unless they are "I believe you 100%"
I guess that's all Jolene can do though is name call?

Woooahh............. Jolene

It seems you are totally over reacting towards other peoples opinions that do not agree, esp towards coldethyl which seems pretty unfair.

I have been quietly following some of these various threads around this forum and have not seen any disrespect or any of what you accuse coldeythyl of, I think you have the wrong end of the stick there. The only thing I do see as things develop is another close minded RC clone emerging with nonsensical ideas and claims............

I do also question the motives for producing these threads since it appears your not prepared to consider any skeptical opinion or idea that disagrees. To state my position, I am a believer that fully agrees with the skeptics view on this one.

OK so my opinion on this is -------



This sounds like classic SP. Seriously, SP can also be extremely lucid (some think it can used as a way to astral project if you know how) It's common to expeirence false wakenings where you think you are awake and going about your normal stuff when infact your still alseep. The sensations can alternate between such fluidity and paralysis, hearing things, seeing things, feeling things and umm yea even sexually.

I have been a SP suffer for 10 years, also experienced with meditation and receptive to spirits clairvoyantly. In my opinion SP is nothing paranormal, it is a sleep dysfunction. It's nothing like or remotley close to experiencing a paranormal occurance when fully awake, concious and 100% functioning. There is no demons or aliens possessing or attacking you in reality and realising this can go along way to helping how you deal with it.

I think that your take on my experiences is a good way of looking at it.
I will ask my psyciatirst for more details. She didn't bring this up as a possible explanation to my experiences.

All though I think back at some times and this thing--in my life--also enjoyed scarring me by coming in between my legs while I was in class at school--when I ws 14--,and it did this two or three times while I was watching tv in my living room with my mom.
It wouldn't complete the act, it would just show me that it could do it. This was a big fear for me.

I think that since I was fully awake in the middle of the day when this occured that I just can't explain it with SP.

Umm, also my extreme sorness and bleeding after one of my most strongest experiences provides proof to me that there just is something more going on than SP.
Sorry, I don't want to offend you.

My sesarian scar too is one other thing. I only had one child and this was natural birth, and I have this scar. Found by docs at Ben Taub Hospital.

O man, it also urinated allover my friend and my bed infront of my friend and myself. It has also messed with my friends i.e. scratches, seeing it etc.. As a young girl having sleep overs my friends would never come back. Well at least most of them anyway. I didn't open up to them about something being in the house. They just learned it through first hand experience.

Well...these things and things moving in my house for years etc, tells me it has gotta be more than SP.

Still though I will ask my psyciatrist.

Thanks for your advice.

Not sure why you sent this post to me in pm as well, but what does your psyciatrist say about this? is this the reason why you see one?

Sending it to you as a PM was an accident. I am not quite sure how. I had to copy and paste it here.

And no, my past experiences was not the reason why I began seeing one. I began seeing one because I starting having panic attacks and these would happen around 8 or 9 times a day lasting anywhere from 8 to 45 minutes long.
They felt like some one was dumping a five gallon bucket of cold water on me from behind. This to me seems to be demonic posession. I am not to sure though. I do know that since I thought this was a possibility and I was suffering so much with these, I needed to find out if I was crazy and causing this. I needed it to stop or I WOULD have killed myself.

Ironically, I started having these panic attacks just as soon as I started fighting back and stopped being that things victom. I think maybe, just maybe, I am not sure, but it is possible that that thing started putting immense fear into me as payback and retalliation.

Initially they gave me drugs that made me into zombie and I stayed on this for a year. .

i AM not on anything anymore. I haven't been for 7 ro 8 months. Finallyfree of those drugsl.

I do continue to see my psyciatrist though. I see her atleast 4 times a year for maintenance oI do believe that these things, be it aliens demons what ever, can influence the way people think and feel. Even inspire dreams and put fear into people. My theory on why I had such experiences isn't important, beause they nolonger happen. I I do thank God that I am nolonger on those drugs, they gave me a blank mind. Ilost my personality
and stopped talking even.. I WAS AS DUMB AS A BUSH AND i COULDN'T EVEN DO COMPLICATED MATH ANYMORE. tHIS HAD TO STOP.

I do converse with her on my life and ask her for info on things.

Hi Jolene, glad to see you came back.

So the disturbances are decreasing or I should say you're able to control them some what now?

i have actually read only first 2 pages of this thread, and due to lack of time i will have to continue some other time, however from what i have seen/read/heard, and with the prior knowledge of the matter like this its rather easy to conclude that you have a Ghost/quardian that is obseesed with you, i have actually heard storys of guardians fighting other ghosts (Useally happens when you move to a new place) yours however seems to be jelous of everyone,

Sounds like you were suffering with panick attacks and anxiety disorder pretty bad but that is NOT a sign or to be confused with possession. It is not rational to go about making these links........not sure exactly how much attention you have derived from your various threads to support this notion but it looks quite alot. Just because some people agree with you doesn't mean they are right. Panick and anxiety can be treated and you can learn how to manage it with the right therpy.

Some of the physical and mental feelings can be very extreme and frighting with panick/aniexty, yours almost sounds on the verge of paranoria as well (aka the demon/alien possession) Sounds like the medication they gave you didn't suit you too well, sometimes that can happen and it's a case of finding the best fit as to say. If this is still an ongoing problem I'm suprised they haven't tryed you on something else or used a combined approach with some therpy.

I would be curious to know if you ever actualy told your psychiatrist about the aliens and demons, basically everything you have written about here, Have you?

I am also not clear on whether you are talking about past experiences that don't troule you anymore, or if you are still having experiences that do. The time lines amongst your postings are a little confusing.

sounds like an incubus(male daemon that has sex with women,(or gay pepole)the incubus is the male version of the cubi, the other one is the succubus(a female daemon that enters the dreams of men and has sex with them ther(i have never read abaout a succubus entering the dream of a lesbian)))

lots of info ther on the cubi but you beat me at writing long stories(i am by saing "stories" not implying that you have made all of theese things up)

Here's some statements about alien abductions.
italic is my answers.

* Aliens can alter our perception of our surroundings.

Accurate

* Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us
in any number of guises, and shapes.

Accurate

* Aliens can take us - our consciousness - out of our physical
bodies, disable our control of our bodies, install one of their
own entities, and use our bodies as vehicles for their own
activities before returning our consciousness to our bodies.

Don't know

* Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can
make themselves only partially visible.

Don't know- highly probable

* Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-
known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include
single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three - and
four-fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.

Accurate

* Females abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems
after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead
to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breasts and uterus, and to
hysterectomies.

Don't know

* Aliens take body fluids from our necks, spines, blood veins,
joints such as knees and wrists, and other places. They also
inject unknown fluids into various parts of our bodies.

Don't know


* A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses
they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to
surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors
can't identify.

Accurate

* Some abductees experience a degeneration of their mental,
social, and spiritual well-being. Excessive behavior frequently
erupts, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, overeating, and
promiscuity. Strange obsessions develop and cause the disruption
of normal life and the destruction of personal relationships.

Accurate

* Aliens show a great interest in adult sexuality, child
sexuality, and in inflicting physical pain on abductees.

Don't know about the rest but the pain bit is accurate

* Abductees recall being instructed and trained by aliens. This
training may be in the form of verbal or telepathic lessons,
slide shows, or actual hands-on instruction in the operation of
alien technology.

Accurate.

* Abductees report being taken to facilities in which they
encounter not only aliens but also normal-looking humans,
sometimes in military uniforms, working with the alien captors.

Don't know highly probable.

* Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during
an experience, not just the grays. Every possible combination of
gray, reptoid, insectoid,
during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same
facility.

Accurate


* Abductees - "virgin" cases - report being taken to underground
facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries
of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled
with parts of human bodies.

Don't know

* Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being
drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and
being stacked, lifeless, like cords of wood. Some abductees have
been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if
they don't co-operate with their alien captors.

Don't know

* Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children,
leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In
cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist
that "The children belong to us."

Don't know

* Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual
intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while
groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters,
the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain
the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as
Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses
of the abductees.

Don't know

* Children abductees sometimes show a new and obsessive interest
in their own genitalia after alien encounters, saying that their
abductors who come at night have been touching these parts of
their bodies.

Don't know

* Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on
abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but giving no
explanation why. Abductees' eyes are painfully removed from the
sockets, allowing the aliens to scrape the area or implant
devices into the area before the eyeballs are replaced, for
instance.

Accurate

Some abductees are subjected to painful constrictions,
often around the head, chest and extremities. Painful genitalia
and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.

Don't know

* Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos
and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans - and
the number varies dramatically from case to case - will be
"rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species,
either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction
is over.

Accurate

Many abductees report that they don't believe their
alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of
the "rescued" humans.



Accurate

just realised something... the flyu experiences, well, belsebub can be transelated to: lord/king of the flys... or somethin,
anny ways this may be deeper than an incubus, cose, well, the flys and stuff....

i hope stuff wil get better... and stuff...

by the way, this might be a problem that can be solved by a healer...
it may sound wierd but you should keep all doors open



--Typo

shiza (another word for sh** for you pepole that dont no)
i have to start reading the entire tread be fore i start posting...
sorry for posting so many times

Yes, yes, I can't complaine. I am gliding through relaxation NOW, and I am enjoying it as much as I can. Although, some small relatively unimportant things do happen once in a while, I am happy and getting on with my life.

I call on God in prayer every night.

No one can post too much. I am thankful for your time and interest. I remember posting about flies awhile back too and you are being considerate to reply to it. I have so many things to post myself and haven't got the time to devote the amount of attention needed.

I do want to clear one thing up though. I am not currently experiencing the type of experiences that I posted earlier. Currently I am just having some real crazy dreams and sometimes something decides to break or fall, or some strange unidentifiable odor appears out of no where. And yes, something kicks at my back when I am driving. But for the most part I am free.

Things really turned around once I began fighting back. As it would seem to be. I don't want to provoke what ever it is to bother me again.

Now when it comes behind me or in my bedroom, I just talk myself into ignoring it and facing my fear. I just don't turn around anymore, unless it makes a noise or something.
I just want to clear this thing up. I don't want for you all to think that I am curently experiencing those other night--or should I say daymares. Whatever, I give up hu hu.
Trying to describe it.

If it should pick up again being the extremity it once was, I will deal with it and post it to you all.

Honestly, that is what I think too. It knew that I had planned on loosing my virginity and it messed with me the night before I did. This was the first time it messed with me and I told my mom. Can you imagine how weird and hard this was for me to tell her?
Before ever having other things--to personal to list--it did it first.
It came to me in dreams before and talked as though we had been lovers in a distant past. This was freakin crazy.
It never was nice to my ex-husband or my current one, etcetra etcetra.

Jolene,
You're welcome girl! Send me a pm or anything of you ever need someone to talk to!

Now, for this guy/girl who is bothering you, the cold something ethylene something(sorry i don't remember the nickname and i'm too lazy to go back to look for it), you can simply click on the nickname, then go to options and click on "ignore user". That's gonna make things easier

You are right, I don't want to confuse it with possesion. I do consider it a possibility though. Since I repeadietly felt something jump into me from behind. And after this would happen, I would get so terrified and my heart would race, and I would panic for both things, my heart racing and the extremely cold thing that felt like it entered my body through my back.

I would admediately call on God and I would try to pray in my time of fear and desperation. I found my self unable to pray because praying would cause my extreme fear to leap into realms of fear so bad that I found myself preferring death than to ever feel it again. After these extremely long panic attacks would go away, I was puzzled as to why I couldn't pray while going through one. I soon realized that maybe I had something evil inside of me and it was causing this fear in me, and it didn't and probably couldn't withstand my calling on God, so it wouldn't allow for me to do this. This is one of my theories of answers to my problem. What do you think?

Before you give me your answer, I must first tell you of how I first began having these panic attacks.

The way I began having them also influence my conclusion of it being something jumping into me.

In 2003, I went home to Louisiana to stay with my mother and grandparents. I was to help my mother with some problems she had been having. She was previously in a comma for seven days and came out of it all mentally messed up.
My grandparents needed my help. I was to witness what she was doing and if she was taking her medicine at all or in the correct way.

My grandparents were afraid of her, so I went over for four weeks.
My mother initially was distant and not mentally present to my visiting. I shared a bedroom with her. I also had no choice but to bring my son along.
I didn't know what I was going to have to deal with once I got there, all my grandmother tld me was that my mother was sick and spilling hot beverages on herself and driving wild, and she was in trouble with the law for writing many bad checks.

Soon I realized that she was totally introverted, talking to herself and she really couldn't hear much of what I or anyone had to say to her. I found out what meds she was on and I accompanied her on her doctor visits. She was nolonger sleeping at night and she was on the phone much with medical professionals concerning her panic attacks. We were at the hospital many times for this. She was extremely scared of sleeping in her room alone.
She had crashed the car I had given her into the fence and into a pole a few times.
She exploded the microwave. She was seeing three doctors for one problem, taking the meds they all had perscribed her. See the chemical imbalance here?

I noticed a presence in the house and I ignored it. Later I found a list of girls names. I asked my mom about it and she admitted shamefully that she was deciding what to name all of her newly acquired glass dolls. Yes, she was 45 with 42 glass dolls in her bedroom. She then started telling me all about what they do and how this one Mabeline is jealous of Mary. I got sick and horrified. My mom wasn't my mom anymore.

She then started confiding in me with all of the experiences that she was having with THE DEVIL. She thought it was the devil and his demons.

One night, she was laying in the bed with me and my son. My son and I were asleep, when I had a very vivid nightmare. I dreampt that my mother was coming after me with a butcher knife after stabbing my son to death.
I awoke, took my son and got the hell out of there. I went into the living room and
I stayed awake watching my son all night for four or five nights, until I finally fell asleep one night. I woke up that night to find my mother sitting in the kitchen rocking on her rocking chair.
I was startled an dso I got up to be with her. She was having a terrible night of panic attacks and didn't want o be in that room anymore. I began talking to her about faith in God and how he can help her, that all she had to do is believe and pray.
She did so, we both prayed together. She continued to see demons. I personally know that once you ask Jehovah to help you, he does. So I told her that it was probably inher mind. That we prayed and they or it had to leave. I wanted so badly for her to be comfortable and feel safe. She was just so scared crying, and I love her so much and this really hurt me to see her in such a way.

I continued for hours with her, talking about the apostle John the Baptist and how this man had astounding faith and how we should reason to be as much like him as possible.
She continued.

Man, I feel sick just thinking about what I am going to tell you.

I then said a very bad thing.

I am on the verge of freaking out. I have to confront this feeling and tell you. No matter how scarry this is for me.

I said a prayer something to the effect of

In Jesus' name I pray to you Jehovah, The Almighty. I ask of you to please help my mother. She is helpless and terrified. If there is any evil in this house and around us, please protect us and make them go away. I said things like this. It was a long prayer. My mom insisted that there was still evil in the house. I said "Well, then this has to be in your head." I saw her in such terrior and I wanted to prove to her by my faith that there was nothing in the house or near us. So I did the following:

In Jesus' name, I pray to you Almighty God Jehovah, please clear this house. Send an angel on our behalf. Don't let anything even come near this house. O loving father please help my mother. I then said the worst thing you can say. I said " Jehovah, if there is anything in this house, let it take me and do waht it wants. If it wants to kill me, let it. If you didn't clear this house and if there is something still here. let it kill me.
I give it permission o. I forfeit myself. I submit myself to anything evil in this house IF THERE IS ANYTHING AND IF YOU DIDN'T CLEAR THIS HOUSE FOR US. I felt sick and I Sat down and looked at my mother. Something jumped into my body from behind. It felt just like someone dumping a five gallon bucket of freezing water into my body.
I admediately jumped up completely surprised and terrofied at this. I felt immense fear swellin up inside me and I admediately fell to the floor, screaming in desperation for God to save me from this. I felt and believed that I was going to die. I was shaking like hell and I was screaming in multiple voices for help, trying harder and harder to pray. It ws getting more difficult and more difficult. It was like my throat was refusing this. I was on my knees and I screamed something like , God I am so unworthy and I believe in you, If you...I can't really remember exactly what I said. i just kept saying that I was so so sorry. Please help me. I begged for what felt like 5 minutes. Maybe it was. I then felt it leave me through my back. I was drained and shaking. My jaw was shaking so violently that I really couldn't say anything understandable. My mom ws crying and I didn't realize how my grandparets were watching it all. They just stood there shocked. We didn't go to sleep for the rest of the night. My papa had a stroke and was paralized allover his left side and really took a long time to move USUALLY. That night, they flew to the kitchen to where we were.

I couldn't sleep, I kept thanking God for saving me. I admediately realized that thou shall not test thy God. I did this that night and was left for the taking. I am not valuable enough for God to act on my behalf, on the account of my ignorance, testing him.
I did that that night with this in view. I have a lot of faith in God and I believe on him with all of my heart. I sincerely believed that my prayer to him earlier that night to rid of any possible evil in the house was gone. I was trying to prove this to my mother. I was hoping to finish that testing prayer, with reassuring my mom that God does help and that God cleared this house. I was really just trying to prove to my desperate, terrified, exhausted mother that God answers prayers and does help.

Instead, I got the scare of a lifetime. I have almost been unwillingly hit by a train while it was coming, and that fear is a rollercoaster ride compared to this complete and utter fear of all fears in the world that any human could ever and ever could imagine.

That night my mother and I ended up sitting on the bedwrapped in blankets freezing while smoking a cigerettes talking. My mother was able to converse with me freely that night. She said something like, Jolene, I can't get this cold out of my shoulders and neck. I admediately knew that something was wrong. Because I had this lingering cold feeling in my shoulders and neck too. This was hours after that experience.
I knew that she was being possesed as I was that night. I know I was possesed that night. She later did some things that confirmed to me that she had been possesed.

So every since this incident I started having panic attacks. Each one, at first, was accompanied by that feeling of something being dumped or thrown into me. This cold. This cold also in my shoulders and neck, along with the struggle to pray.
Imagine having a panic attack that slowly made you feel as though you were loosing control of yor self, and that you had to take yourself away from any object that you might kill yourself with.

So when I would have these, I new that it was a continuation of what had accured before. Before I even went to my grandparent's home, I HAD REALIZED THAT i COULD STRUGGLE ENOUGH TO STOP THAT THING FORM BOTHERING ME.
Then the crap began.

Now, I am currently off of any meds. I have been fine and free form panic attacks for a beautiful 6 or 7 months. No meds and no panic attacks. My psychiatrist continues to be surprised. How could someone have such a severe anxiety prob and just recover like this? All I do know is that I keep close to God and seek him humbly. This has saved me. What do you think?

And another thing. I did tell my psyciatrist everything. Like I said before, she believes me. I know you don't buy that. All I can say is that I am telling the truth, I do, however, still keep in mind the possibility that my whole experience just might not be a possesion. I really mean it when I say that I am open minded.
I currently believe that I was possesed and until someone or I find a good explanation otherwise, I will believe this.
I will not object to any thoughts and theories as to what might explain this.

Thanks for the invitation. I really think it is cool of ya to offer me.

I hope that coldethyl and I will get along and I won't ignore her. Her insight to things is valuable, in my eyes. If all is done politely, we can all be honest and constructive.
Thank you for the advice. You are a nice person. I just do not want to only hear what agreeing friends have to say. I want to hear what everyone says. I hope this dosen't offend you, I am really saying this in a positive way.

Naah its ok
So what were the things that your mom did that made you think she was possesed?

What caused your mum's coma?



Obviously your mum was sick if she was recovering from a coma





Your dream was just adream and it's no suprise the theme it took if you were dealing with your sick mother. Your mother was obviously still not well mentally....




I would say that the stress and trauma from your mothers illness was the factor in you getting panick attacks and anixety. It sounds like this was a rather highly emotional and hysterical moment for all concerned.








Yea this just backs up my previous thought even more...........Panick attacks DO make you feel out of control geesh!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is the essence of them!




Like what? she was very obviously mentally ill from her coma and what ever caused that! if you chose to believe her then..........




Really? Hmmm - sorry but I don't see the possession at all. All i see is someone severly affected stress wise by anothers illness.

What medication did your psychciarist put you on?

I find this rather rude to speak of another member like this. Everyones opinions are of as much value whether they agree or not with how Jolebe see things. FYI the person you speak of is called coldethyl and HER contributions are perfectly in place and valued.

I only feel sorry that you have been sucked into supporting Jolenes hysterical irational cause

Excuse me if I was giving her an option, rather than having to hear someone she considers rude. That was not rude at ALL and I'll give the same advice to any one else who needs it(of course not about the same person). She already said she wasn't gonna do it, so that's cool, it's her decision and not yours

Rude? all I see is your rudeness here. As it turns out Jolene now states she is now open to all opinions even those that disagree...



what? did I even make any decision? nooo? Only you suggesting to her she should ignore someone elses opinion.


arg I'm getting sick of this thread.

Hey, i just found this: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=52559

hope this will help you,
i did not have time to read it myself

then why are you still her?
and if you reply to this post it will just prove that you are looking for truble...

did you sleep well this night? no nightmares or dreams abaout the future?
and i certanly hope your "friend" didnt show up...

Excuse me Danella 210 or whatever (I'm too busy to look up) I'm not bothering anyone. I did what everyone else does and expressed my view on a forum. Don't like it? Too bad. Want to say something to me? Then say it to me and not about me, okay? Jolene and I can work out our issues ourselves.



Thanks Anvil. I'm glad even though we don't always believe exactly in the same things we have enough respect for each other that we can like each other and get along well!!

holy crap(hope i didnt ofend anyone ther) the last time i saw a topic this long was with "the creep in my nabourhood"(did i spell that right?)



17pages....




--typo

Thanks for your help, but I just couldn't get anything out of it. Amazon pops up and it doesn't reveal any info. Did I do something wrong? Do I need to check out something?