Hi all,
As we all know that the christian sacred book "The Bible" has some codes which people claim that they can predict some events using it.
There is a page for all the predictions using the bible codes,
it is:
http://exodus2006.com/3code.htm
Well, as i was researching about more events that may happen and some people know about it from the bible codes, i really found that many predictions using bible codes didnt happen yet, and they must be happened before this current time.
One of these prediction codes is the death of Laura Bush
You can find this in that page:
http://exodus2006.com/sutton/LBUSH.htm
The scientists who are using this codes for prediction said that this will happen between mid-September and mid-October 2004.
And now we are in the end of November 2004.
Im sure that as time passes, we will find more and more wrong predictions using bible codes.
So, do you think that we must trust bible codes ??
tell me what do u think?
Full Version: Should we trust Bible codes ?!
I chose yes we can trust them, but then they could be wrong...has there been an event where the codes were right?
The death prediction of Laura was incorrect. I checked the link and clicked "2004 - threat of new Bin Laden attack " and I think that was incorrect too. I'm not really sure if I can trust the bible codes.
Do you think there are codes in the Koran or Torah?
...I've trusted the bible text and served me right. As a Christian, I have never heard of the Bible Codes.
The death prediction of Laura was incorrect. I checked the link and clicked "2004 - threat of new Bin Laden attack " and I think that was incorrect too. I'm not really sure if I can trust the bible codes.
Do you think there are codes in the Koran or Torah?
...I've trusted the bible text and served me right. As a Christian, I have never heard of the Bible Codes.
no we should not. If you know what you are searching you will find it.
Well im reading the bible 
too bad im only on page 22. The bible is a big book 
too bad im only on page 22. The bible is a big book
There's so many supposed prophecies in the Bible Code and so many different interpretations of them that some are bound to match some events. So in one sense you can trust them. Meaning that some of them are bound to seem to be fulfilled by events and some will be forced to by those who believe..
If you mean should you trust them enough to live your life expecting them all to happen, then no..It's basically the same quagmire that surrounds Nostradamus. Give it a few hundred or thousand years after it's written and enough will have happenend in history that you can fit them to anything..
If you mean should you trust them enough to live your life expecting them all to happen, then no..It's basically the same quagmire that surrounds Nostradamus. Give it a few hundred or thousand years after it's written and enough will have happenend in history that you can fit them to anything..
To an extent, I suppose you can. But some predictions are just bound to happen. It's like me saying, "In the near future, you will have a moment of pure happiness" You could interpret the 'near future' as 2 years or 2 days, and it not uncommon for somebody to be happy.
I think this should be moved into Spirituality and Skeptism...
I think this should be moved into Spirituality and Skeptism...
I really can't get that people believe in a book with such unbelievable stories and stuff.
It is like saying fairy tales are true.
It is like saying fairy tales are true.
I think that bible codes are just an overcomplicated way to look at a pretty simple book, yeah its written wierd but thats no reason to throw more complications in the way. sometimes things just need to be taken at face value, rather then looking for some greater meaning.
I voted no.
Why should we let a book control our lives?
Why should we let a book control our lives?
I don't think every code will come true. I think the codes were written to say what would happen if nothing changed and everything stayed on course, but sometimes things do change and the future gets rewritten. Nothing is ever for sure. I think alot of these codes are legitimate because the way their placed is far beyond a million to one.
On that site it states codes of a threat in 2004. Okay, We already recieved 2 videos from Al-Qaeda with threats in 2004.
In Michael Drosnin's second book about the bible codes it states New York shall be attacked in 2001 and 2004.
The 2001 one has happened, Now we await the attack of 2004.
Only one more month of 2004 left, sit tight guys.
Also, The matrix of the death of Laura Bush looks too messy compared to other matrixes which have had successful prophecies.
And, Why is Arafat's name spelled differently in the prophecies pertaining to his assasination compared to other prophecies where his name is shown?
And finally, Sorry about the Thanksgiving prophecy for those who read my thread. I may have mistranslated thanksgiving into hebrew.
In Michael Drosnin's second book about the bible codes it states New York shall be attacked in 2001 and 2004.
The 2001 one has happened, Now we await the attack of 2004.
Only one more month of 2004 left, sit tight guys.
Also, The matrix of the death of Laura Bush looks too messy compared to other matrixes which have had successful prophecies.
And, Why is Arafat's name spelled differently in the prophecies pertaining to his assasination compared to other prophecies where his name is shown?
And finally, Sorry about the Thanksgiving prophecy for those who read my thread. I may have mistranslated thanksgiving into hebrew.
Why should we let a book control our lives?
It os not a book. It is words of God.
It sure is a nice though not to be responsible for our own actions isn't it. Not having anyone or anything to be accountable to. This is why many subscribe to evolution.
I really can't get that people believe in a book with such unbelievable stories and stuff.
It is like saying fairy tales are true.
You must be a person who does not believe in the unbelievable stories of our time. People have been programmed to not accept that which they don't immediately understand.
There is a woman who is able to dive 525 feet straight down into water without any apparatus whatsover. Sounds unbelieveable.
Mozart Composed his first piece at age five. Sounds unbelieveable.
There is a man who ATE an entire Cessna airplane. Sounds unbelieveable.
There is a woman in india who is able to stare at the sun for hours on end wothout any discomfort or damage to her eyes. sounds unbelieveable.
Do you know where these facts come from? Ripleys believe it or not!
I find it hard to believe that someone posting on this website wouldn't have enough faith to be able to believe in the miracles described in the Bible. You believe in Ghosts, UFO's, and psychic powers, yet you call the bible a fairy tale.
You must expand your mind and understand that what we have been taught reality is, is NOT what it actually is.
I chose yes we can trust them, but then they could be wrong...has there been an event where the codes were right?
The codes are not meant for future prediction. This goes against the Word of God. They are meant as confirmation of the past. There has been codes discovered naming the exact name of the missiles used in the gulf war. There have been codes confirming many past events. But the Bible is not meant to be used and a tool of divination.
The death prediction of Laura was incorrect. I checked the link and clicked "2004 - threat of new Bin Laden attack " and I think that was incorrect too. I'm not really sure if I can trust the bible codes.
Don't trust any prediction made to forsee the future. Free wil changes what the future is every second.
Do you think there are codes in the Koran or Torah?
The Torah, yes. The Koran, No. Jewish priests who memorize the torah have known for a century that every 7 letters it spells out "Yeshua is my name" over and over again, throughout the entire Torah.
...I've trusted the bible text and served me right. As a Christian, I have never heard of the Bible Codes.
The Bible codes are not needed to have faith in God, or his Word. If they interest you, then study them. But don't think that you have to.
To Sirius147: I suggest you start reading in Proverbs after you finish Genesis. It has brilliant wisdom in it.
It os not a book. It is words of God.
It sure is a nice though not to be responsible for our own actions isn't it. Not having anyone or anything to be accountable to. This is why many subscribe to evolution.
I really can't get that people believe in a book with such unbelievable stories and stuff.
It is like saying fairy tales are true.
You must be a person who does not believe in the unbelievable stories of our time. People have been programmed to not accept that which they don't immediately understand.
There is a woman who is able to dive 525 feet straight down into water without any apparatus whatsover. Sounds unbelieveable.
Mozart Composed his first piece at age five. Sounds unbelieveable.
There is a man who ATE an entire Cessna airplane. Sounds unbelieveable.
There is a woman in india who is able to stare at the sun for hours on end wothout any discomfort or damage to her eyes. sounds unbelieveable.
Do you know where these facts come from? Ripleys believe it or not!
I find it hard to believe that someone posting on this website wouldn't have enough faith to be able to believe in the miracles described in the Bible. You believe in Ghosts, UFO's, and psychic powers, yet you call the bible a fairy tale.
You must expand your mind and understand that what we have been taught reality is, is NOT what it actually is.
I chose yes we can trust them, but then they could be wrong...has there been an event where the codes were right?
The codes are not meant for future prediction. This goes against the Word of God. They are meant as confirmation of the past. There has been codes discovered naming the exact name of the missiles used in the gulf war. There have been codes confirming many past events. But the Bible is not meant to be used and a tool of divination.
The death prediction of Laura was incorrect. I checked the link and clicked "2004 - threat of new Bin Laden attack " and I think that was incorrect too. I'm not really sure if I can trust the bible codes.
Don't trust any prediction made to forsee the future. Free wil changes what the future is every second.
Do you think there are codes in the Koran or Torah?
The Torah, yes. The Koran, No. Jewish priests who memorize the torah have known for a century that every 7 letters it spells out "Yeshua is my name" over and over again, throughout the entire Torah.
...I've trusted the bible text and served me right. As a Christian, I have never heard of the Bible Codes.
The Bible codes are not needed to have faith in God, or his Word. If they interest you, then study them. But don't think that you have to.
To Sirius147: I suggest you start reading in Proverbs after you finish Genesis. It has brilliant wisdom in it.
Oh for crying out loud...
People subscribe to evolution because, unlike religion, it not only has actual evidence, it actualyl makes sense. Next time you're going to talk about evolution, get your head out of your backside first. I'm sick and tired of some of the ridiculous rubbish creationists come up with to try and justify their warped, misguided beliefs.
Anyway, back to the topic...
No, we can't trust the bible code. It's been established that the same system used to withdraw the "code" can infact be used on any large body of text. If you get a large enough book, and sift through it in search of words to fit into your little pattern, then you will inevitably find something that can, with some imaginative interpretation, fit into events.
What interests me is that the people who claim to know and understand this code never come up with any of their "predictions" from the bible until AFTER the event has occured fancy that.
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It os not a book. It is words of God.
It sure is a nice though not to be responsible for our own actions isn't it. Not having anyone or anything to be accountable to. This is why many subscribe to evolution.
It sure is a nice though not to be responsible for our own actions isn't it. Not having anyone or anything to be accountable to. This is why many subscribe to evolution.
People subscribe to evolution because, unlike religion, it not only has actual evidence, it actualyl makes sense. Next time you're going to talk about evolution, get your head out of your backside first. I'm sick and tired of some of the ridiculous rubbish creationists come up with to try and justify their warped, misguided beliefs.
Anyway, back to the topic...
No, we can't trust the bible code. It's been established that the same system used to withdraw the "code" can infact be used on any large body of text. If you get a large enough book, and sift through it in search of words to fit into your little pattern, then you will inevitably find something that can, with some imaginative interpretation, fit into events.
What interests me is that the people who claim to know and understand this code never come up with any of their "predictions" from the bible until AFTER the event has occured
fancy that.
Why isn't this in the spirituality and skeptisism forum? 
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Oh for crying out loud...
[quote]It os not a book. It is words of God.
It sure is a nice though not to be responsible for our own actions isn't it. Not having anyone or anything to be accountable to. This is why many subscribe to evolution.[/quote]
People subscribe to evolution because, unlike religion, it not only has actual evidence, it actualyl makes sense.
From my point of view, there is no evidence of evolution, only evidence of Gods creation. From my point of view, evolution doesn't make sense, and God does. Am I wrong? Is there a right and wrong? Because I believe something different that what you believe in, does that make me wrong? Does what I believe in make you wrong?
I'm sick and tired of some of the ridiculous rubbish creationists come up with to try and justify their warped, misguided beliefs.
Tell a muslim his beliefs are rubbish, and see if you come back from it alive. Warped? Warped by what? And misguided? What better guide than a living, loving, divine God?
Just because a persons beliefs are different doesn't mean they are discounted. My perceptions are just as valid as anyone elses.
No, we can't trust the bible code. It's been established that the same system used to withdraw the "code" can infact be used on any large body of text. If you get a large enough book, and sift through it in search of words to fit into your little pattern, then you will inevitably find something that can, with some imaginative interpretation, fit into events.
The true code only exists in the hebrew text. People for some reason are trying to find codes in english texts all the time. It doesn;t work the way it does in hebrew texts. Infact, no codes are found in the greek new testament at all, even though the new testiment is accepted as part of the bible.
What interests me is that the people who claim to know and understand this code never come up with any of their "predictions" from the bible until AFTER the event has occured fancy that.
As I have explained to many before, the bible is not to be used as a tool of divination. God will confirm us information, but he will not allow his word to be used as a power seperate from himself in predicting future events. To properly understand this, neigh, to even address the situation, you must have a christian following, which I believe you do not have. Fancy that.
Oh for crying out loud...
[quote]It os not a book. It is words of God.
It sure is a nice though not to be responsible for our own actions isn't it. Not having anyone or anything to be accountable to. This is why many subscribe to evolution.[/quote]
People subscribe to evolution because, unlike religion, it not only has actual evidence, it actualyl makes sense.
From my point of view, there is no evidence of evolution, only evidence of Gods creation. From my point of view, evolution doesn't make sense, and God does. Am I wrong? Is there a right and wrong? Because I believe something different that what you believe in, does that make me wrong? Does what I believe in make you wrong?
I'm sick and tired of some of the ridiculous rubbish creationists come up with to try and justify their warped, misguided beliefs.
Tell a muslim his beliefs are rubbish, and see if you come back from it alive. Warped? Warped by what? And misguided? What better guide than a living, loving, divine God?
Just because a persons beliefs are different doesn't mean they are discounted. My perceptions are just as valid as anyone elses.
No, we can't trust the bible code. It's been established that the same system used to withdraw the "code" can infact be used on any large body of text. If you get a large enough book, and sift through it in search of words to fit into your little pattern, then you will inevitably find something that can, with some imaginative interpretation, fit into events.
The true code only exists in the hebrew text. People for some reason are trying to find codes in english texts all the time. It doesn;t work the way it does in hebrew texts. Infact, no codes are found in the greek new testament at all, even though the new testiment is accepted as part of the bible.
What interests me is that the people who claim to know and understand this code never come up with any of their "predictions" from the bible until AFTER the event has occured
fancy that.As I have explained to many before, the bible is not to be used as a tool of divination. God will confirm us information, but he will not allow his word to be used as a power seperate from himself in predicting future events. To properly understand this, neigh, to even address the situation, you must have a christian following, which I believe you do not have. Fancy that.
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Am I wrong?
Well...yeah
Evidence for evolution is physical...tangable. It's there, it can be shown to you, hell, it can be shown to anyone. The fact that you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there. There is a mountain of evidence to prove evolution...indeed, the theory would not exist without this evidence to have led, logically, to it (that's how science works).
There is no evidence for god, tangable or otherwise. So....yes, you are wrong. There's no "point of veiw" in supporting evolution - it's a matter of fact. I don't need faith to believe in evolution anymore than I need faith to believe the sky is blue...it simply is. Beleif in god doesn't share that luxury.
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Tell a muslim his beliefs are rubbish, and see if you come back from it alive. Warped? Warped by what? And misguided? What better guide than a living, loving, divine God?
Obviously you haven't read the bible. God is a ruthless tyrant, who's murdered millions of people. And incidentally, I think what muslims believe is rubbish too
As much as I respect your right to believe whatever you believe, I make no pretence of respecting WHAT you believe.
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The true code only exists in the hebrew text.
You mean the badly garbled, mistranslated rubbish that was derived FROM the hebrew text, I assume? Unless you're proposing every idiot out there with a website claiming to have unraveled the bible code has a copy of the dead sea scrolls in their desk drawer.
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As I have explained to many before, the bible is not to be used as a tool of divination. God will confirm us information, but he will not allow his word to be used as a power seperate from himself in predicting future events. To properly understand this, neigh, to even address the situation, you must have a christian following, which I believe you do not have. Fancy that.
My point was, if I wanted, I could use any method I wanted to extract any hidden message about an event that had already occured...I could do it with the bible, I could do it with lord of the rings, or I could do it with a dictionary...any large body of text will do. The bible code follows the exact same proceedure as creationism....it reaches its conclusion first, and then "finds" the evidence for it, regardless of whether or not that evidence is actually there or not
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Why isn't this in the spirituality and skeptisism forum?
My thought exactly, Whiskers. Would a mod please move this into Spirituality and Skepticism?
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