This is the only pic i could be bothered to find, but what do you think about crop circles?

I believe them all to be man-made. I cannot think of a single quality they possess that would require thinking up of aliens, or plasma, or any such non-phenomena in order to come about. This is less about science and more about investigative work.

I belive most of them to be man made but there is always a few that remain unexplained.

As a professional civil engineer, a goodly number of them are mysteries to me. I have been involved in a good bit of construction staking, and to make the complex ones would require a whole lot of control points to be placed. I see no easy way to do this to get the accuracy needed. It is well and good that you take the position of their being man made, but to date I have heard no explanation of just how man made them. Not talking about stepping on boards and the like, but a step by step description of the process, beginning with placement of control points, which would be an absolute necessity.

Yes LarryOldTimer I agree.

Try looking up Team Satan's web site. They might have contact information for themselves for specific questions on how they do what they do. I doubt they have it posted on their web site, since it could be considered inciting vandalism. They do have some great pictures of the more intricate ones they were commissioned to make, including the giant alien head.

I dont think humans could make crop circles, they are to precise and geometrically done, some are miles in diameter and humans are meant to do all this with out gettin noticed. I dont think so.

Strife, what crop circle has ever been miles in diameter? And what sort of geometry and precision do crop circles have that not only can, but has, been duplicated by humans on a repeated basis?

There have been many crop circles miles in diameter, romania, britain, U.S, france, senagal, all over the world, you should really look at soem of the designs that have been created and ask yourself, could humans really do that in a matter of hours?

Yes, I am very familiar with the designs, all over the world, and how long it has taken them to be created. Heck, the design Team Satan produced for the Discovery Channel took less than six hours, and it was pretty complex (and yes, the crop circle "experts" classified it as genuine, pointing out the woven stems, the iron spherules, and the microwave damage, all planted by the college students). I have not heard of a single crop circle miles in diameter. If you could post just one example, I would be most grateful.

This one is france 1992, its a helicopter veiw and it measued 1mile 98metres across, and 1mile 159metres up-down.

I dont mean to fill this place with crop circles, but i just found this one, smaller than the last, but look, isnt that cool.

Sorry, but this is the last one.
This one is a mile and a half long.

Has anyone noticed that that crop circle looks exactly like a pyramid would from above, the rectangles get thinner as they get nearer to the edge.

i actually just noticed that blake2kuk.

My bad, I had it stuck in my mind that you were referring to circles, not pictograms. It is true that there are extremely long pictograms, but then, shooting a straight line is hardly a sign of advanced intelligence. Heck, they were doing that before the Egyptians built the pyramids. A circle that large would be challenging (hardly impossible), but a line would be downright easy.

As far as the pictograms go, I think if you look close that these intricate designs are actually nothing more than a series of smaller, far more managable forms, put together in a geometrically pleasing way. Any good geometry student could figure out the particulars. And again, all this talk of precision and geometry...how is any of this beyond human capacity? Heck, for that matter, what makes you think it is all that precise? What is the deviation in the straight lines, or the circles? You would need to know that before making any claims of precision.

Im just saying that this is my opinion and i beleive it is correct, but im not here to tell all you guys its correct, you are intitled to your own opinions.

I believe in crop circles being created by aliens. My neighbor got one in his corn field a few years back and that same night there was a weird light and some strange noise coming from the sky-definately wasn't a plane.

Fine with me. I just think you should take a look at some of the more "imprecise" crop circles before you make up your mind.

It becomes, ironically, a bit of a circular argument. The crop circles that aren't precise (beginners) are written off as hoaxes. The ones that are precise (professionals who were once beginners), are considered extraterrestrial.

strife I've heard about crop circls being made by plasma vortxs but I think not
realy intraket ones so strife.

I think some are made by people ( probably the sketchy ones ), but i beleive some are made by other beings.

i agree that some are made by man, but some are impossible to make by make in the amout of time taken to make them. It may seems easy to make a straight line a mile and a half long but its not. The Egyptions took days to do so with many people and as someone said to make a large circle would be extremely hard and take alot of time a precistion with many people and tools, just doing these on the ground with a bourd in one night isnt possible. Ive also heard that to Hylain but i dont see how thats possible with no burn markes and the fact that there not just circles as strife showed in his pics.

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With astute OBJECTIVITY I would have to agree that we can go either way with this ... even man made would require COMPLEX Math involvement. But AGAIN - as with a lot of the other threads -- the question keeps popping up. The ... WHY??

Why go through all this trouble for even a HOAX? And IF it were all a hoax WHAT STARTED THIS IDEA in the first place?? Again the ... Why??

I RESPECT your objectivity on this, Guy -- and it IS refreshing to know we still have "heads" to put together and try to get the real facts about anything that stirs us within!!

For the record -- let's try to put this into a computer and see that what GOES IN (GIGO) - comes out making sense (GIGO again!). OR -- if it HAS been put into a computer -- WHY are we so ignorant (publically) as to the results> as to another WHY!

Those English (I think) chaps who declared they pulled the prank of the Century MUST HAVE been able to travel quite extensively, world-wide, to perform their pranks. Lest we have other "Copy-Cats" in the makings!! Even then .. the WHY persists! Why do this in the first place? Unless there was something that "popped up" overnight in Famer John's corn field -- and left us thinking. Again -- what came first? The HOAX or the actual Crop Circle??

Therin lies the ROOT of it all!

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Well, let's not go global yet. 90% of the crop circle formations are pretty much in that same area of England (Sommerset? No, somewhere else. Can't recall just now). The copycats didn't really pop up in force until the 90's, when the media jumped all over the pictograms. This follows the standard pattern of an increasing hoax; the more attention it receives, the more complex it gets and the more copy-cats jump on board. If this were a sign of extra-terrestrial conctact, then one would imagine the symbols would not be getting more complex, but simpler, since we are obviouxly not getting it. Incidentally, only a few pictograms require "complex math" Most can be drawn quite easily by an intro geometry student, or even a anyone who owns a Spirograph.

As to the "why", that is actually pretty simple. The greatests hoaxes in the world were ultimately pulled off for one reason, and one reason alone: sheer rascality. When M.I.T. sabotaged the Princeton Football, it wasn't for revenge. When what's his name spent twenty years of his life travelling the world and posing as several different men of several different professions (including doctors, lawyers, and various other specialists), again, he was just having fun. Why make huge crop circles in giant fields? Because it's fun! You get to watch all these 'experts' claim, with utmost seriousness, that no human could possibly have made these images on their own (and seriously, who doesn't like to be referred to as beyond human?) and point out all these clues, some of which you planted, others of which you have no idea where the experts pulled them out of.

The crop circle phenomena follows the pattern of a hoax that has been increasing in power since it first began so long ago. It began small, grew increasingly complex, and when national attention was focused on it, it exploded into a world-wide phenomena. It has even reached the point of ridiculousness, with the appearance of pictogryphs showing actual pictures of aliens and messages pulled from early balck and white alien movies.

^I think that is a good explanation of hoaxes . But is the begginning true? Like hoaxes didn't appear until the 90's and that crop circles were formed...before that?

Copycats didn't appear until the 90's; hoaxes have been there since the beginning. The crop circle phenomena started in the 70's, with simple circles in the field. It should be noted that, back then, all you got were circles. There weren't any tractor paths through the fields, like there are now, so drawing anything like the complex forms we get today would be extremely difficult without leaving trails.

Most of these very early, very simple, crop circles are attributed to Doug and Dave, the two notorious pranksters who had already been known for pulling off stunts of this kind, and who both confessed and demostrated how they had accomplished it.

Wow. But wait, you say that when the copy cats appear, the more complex circles started to appear as well? And that before any of them copied, there were just plain old circles on crop fields...

I think that makes much sense...but would some of the most complex and difficult crop cirlces also appear with the very first ones? I remember researching circles and I think some circles, some of the most complex were formed in the beginning...correct me if i'm wrong

Not that I believe that crop circles are alien made... but Doug and Dave made some fantastic claims that they could not have accomplished. They claimed to have fabricated all the crop circles, for one. If we take their words literally, then they would have had to fly all over the world a lot to accomplish that... but thats not the biggie. When Doug and Dave were asked to create one, they created one, yes... but it wasnt as complex nor, good, as others that were seen.

No, no, no. Read carefully. "It began small, grew increasingly complex, and when national attention was focused on it, it exploded into a world-wide phenomena."

The first crop circles were simple circles. Towards the end of the 80's, they only progressed to a few simple circles along the edges of other circles (bissecting a circle, as geometry students would say). The 90's is when the first pictographs began to appear. When the media focused on them, suddenly we began to see crop circles in places other than England. Even then, however, as a global phenomena this falls somewhat short. Crop circles always tend to stay in a single area and do not tend to repeat too often (most likely due to the limited travel ability of the average prankster).

It is also worth noting that the crop circles that begin in places other than England also tend to go from simpler to more complex. There is a definite learning curve that seems to apply in their construction.