I know that the bible states that you should stay away from witchcraft, sorcery and such, but what about psionics? They aren't really exactly the same. I was just wondering what your opinions were on this....

What exactly are there "phisonics"?

All these would fall under psionics:

Telepathy
Remote Viewing
Telekinesis
Pyrokinesis
Cyrokinesis

And the metaphysics forum is full of psionic stuff lately if you want more info.

interesting topic whisks friend. i dont think theres too much difference really and not being particulary religious and a wiccan i dont really have a problem with "staying away form thigns like psionics" but hey whisks i thinkas long as you dont harm anyone there shouldnt be aproblem with practicing wicca or psionics or anything really. its all opinion.

my friends reverend thinks that delta goodrem is anti-christ just becoz of her name can make 2 6's when you move one letter onto her first name- deltag oodrem... i think its insane becoz she actually beleives very strongly in god and always has a cross on some form of jewellry.

THERES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE!

Psionics incorporates much more than that stated. Psionics can do the same thing as magic. BUT, unlike magic, psionics is purely mind. Psionical power comes from within, whereas magic comes from divine, nature, whatever. Spells often require some kind of components (rituals, etc.) while psionics is purely force.

My friend and I (The Raven is his handle) had a conversation about gods. He suggested that the average human uses 4% of their brain. If you use more, you're probably using psionics. If you used 100% (which is virtually unknown to people now-a-days) then you'd truely be god-like from mind power. The thread he posted our conversation is under spiritual/skeptism, its called "The Brain Sponge: Infinite Power or Insanity" (I'm StoleYourSoul22, AIM)

erm Maekrix? whether you use and athame or candles or any other hocus pocus it doesnt matter the power comes from YOU you are just blessed by the Goddess and God by having the power to do so.

in almost every Wicca book i read it always states you do not need to have the flashy cauldron, wand and alter and everything just as long as wot you are doing -say a protection spell- has meaning to you. the words are just a way of expressing you goal or hope for the actual reason to be performing the spell/chant/ or wotever you wish to call it.

No no, obviously not. But most of the time magic is viewed to be withdrawing power from other things (be them people, places, whatever) and from what I've looked at of magic, you need candles or to draw a symbol (whether in the air with your finger or in some physical form, etc). Psionics, from what I understand, is supposed to be pure mind force. You don't need that symbol. Maybe that symbol helps you focus, but its all focus.

Oh, also I wanted to state, pyrokinetics uses candles, but only as a tether to the fire you are manipulating.(and this follows for anything. If you're good enough, you probably won't need the candle, so the candle, the power of the flame isn't an icon in psionics as it seems to be in magic(k))

Ack, another edit. Anyway, from what I understand, isn't Wicca more of a religion that practices magic, than anything else?

..Another edit. Umm... You suggested that self-power comes from God(s). In my previous post, I left the name of a thread with a theory that all gods were once men (generic term, women too) who gained enough control over their brain (4% is used by the average person, psionics could perhaps being using more, such as 5-15% for what is known, gods having probably around 100%). Thus, from our reasoning (my friend and myself), the power itself (from psionics) would be straight from yourself.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, actually a high probability. I do mistakes, I am human, and to tell the true, I've never attempted too much in either magic or psionics. But I have read, I do read a lot, and if I'm wrong, I'm a fool for five minutes, but it would be wrong to never state my mind when I have the opportunity, especially when I, myself, have a chance to learn. (Never, ever, ever turn down an opportunity to learn, unless.. your mother just died or something. I hate school too, but it'll be worth it someday)

He suggested wrongly.



No, it is not unknown and no, it does not make you god like.



Hmm... I know what muscular force is, what gravitational force is, I know a sh** load of forces... but not mind force. Care to explain?



Honestly, how old are you? The other thread about the brain being a sponge? I suspect it is true for quite a lot of people, since they dont even put any research into what they say.



Why dont you actually take that chance?

Stellar, must you ruin everything with your intolerable raving? We do not know if we use our entire brain or not, but that is for another conversation. Please, try to be more respectful and accepting. I truely don't CARE what you believe, but it is important to give everyone their say, and to be open to others ideas. Plus.. its just a THEORY. Some could call it a 'myth', but I can call the Christian God a myth, but it does not deny 'His' existence to some people. PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING

And I do take the chance to learn. And I have learned. I have learned that Stellar is an narrow-minded 16 year old who thinks because he has two 'scientific' sites that he is unmistakeably right.

I also admitted that I might be wrong. Again, I'm human. But so are YOU. So stop being a rude, perfect-example-of-a-stereotypical teenager.

Edit: I want to apologize to others for allowing such irrelevant rantings to happen. I hope that everyone chooses to accept my theories.I don't care if you agree or not, but please, disagree in a respectful form. I'd hate for this thread to become any more ruined as it is.

Wow Steller, I don't know what it is you do with your free time, but you obviously don't have anything better to do then to go forum-surfing and find people to piss off just because what they say doesn't correlate with what you think. I think that Raven and Maekrix (and I as well) can respect what you think, but what you're doing is wrong. You're finding the most minute things in their posts and flaming and slamming them for it. THey have their own opinions and you have yours. Now, you can stop aggrevating everyone, stop wasting your time, and find another thred to bother, because frankly, I really can't stand 27 year olds who have nothing better to do except bother people for their beliefs.

YES! YES we DO know we use our entire brain. Thats the whole point I'm arguing. People comming here, to this section above all, and claiming that its a very real possibility that these super powers exist because we only use 4% of our brains. Well... we DONT. We use 100% of our brains.



Thats like asking me to be more accepting of people who come here and claim that their purple dog has wings and can fly.



Fine. Dont spread myths and lies, and we wont have any problems.

Your intitled to your own opinion and beliefs, but that doesnt mean I have to stand for them.



Its not a theory. Well, not a true theory. Maybe a laymans theory...



I really dont care how many times you say perception is everything... it doesnt change a thing. Your perception of the facts doesnt changes the fact that we do use 100% of our brains.



You have therefore learnt nothing.



I dont care if you admit you "might" be wrong... You are wrong. At least, beyond a reasonable doubt. People can always come up with conspiracy theories that the MRI and the PET scans are lying to us... but thats not reasonable.



Lmfao.



Maybe they should admit that we dont use only 4% nor 10% nor 20 nor anything in between, and that its been scientifically proven we use 100% of our brains? Thats all I ask... I ask people to stop mascarading and decorating disproven myths as viable possibilities.

Stellar must you?? cant you (if you wish to continue) take it to the chatroom or PM them please? coz you (and the others even though they are wot some could say on "maekrix's side", the defense, it doesnt matter) are startign to destroy this thread so please dont. yes i see its a debate topic but not for the 10% myth/truth but for psionics vs magick and even so the myth/truth only has a mild relevance that doesnt warrant a whole debate on it going off topic the further you go.

Ok, Here is goes! Stellar is right. We do use all of our brain. How do I know? I have a brain illness called MS and I had to learn a lot about our brains. I know more about brains than I ever wanted to know. How is works is fascinating. Look into the latest research. I have even seen my own brain on MRIs. What I hate is I keep losing little bits of it. I wish I was only using 4% of it then I could just teach another part of my brain to keep up with what I lose. Lately it has been long term memory that is acting up All I have to say is thank the Gods for spell check.

Psyonic abilities are a creation of man's imagination of what would happen if we could use the 90% of the mind we don't.

Magical abilities are a creation of man's imagination in the knowlege that they are far insignifigant to the powers of God or Nature.

Aww christ, not another one. Theres no % of our brains we dont use... we use ALL of our brain.

Seriously, can we drop the "% of our brains" debate? That's not what this topic is about. So why don't we get back on track here, please?

I don't know I appears to be central to the topic as people keep bringing it up. I would think an understanding of how the brain functions would be central to a discussion of any psionic ability. Brain power is what it is all about. There must me some connection with the function of the brain and the fundamental properties of the Universe to make psionics work.

This is a link to a thread my friend posted. Its all about the brain thing. You're welcome to go post on that, provided your respectful (you CAN disagree, but please try not to be completely offensive by it), that way, we'd stop dragging on this Magick Vs. Psionics.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=28190

Ok, if I get the orginal question it is whether or not psionics is Witchcraft. I would say yes. Telepathy, Remote Viewing, Telekinesis, Pyrokinesis and Cyrokinesis are all used in Witchcraft so they would be a part of Witchcraft. If your religion prohibits the use of Witchcraft then it would prohibit psionics. It is just another name for the occult.

Another thing about magic is that is often science that is not understood at the time. Like lighting a match in front of a stone age man. He would see it a magic and we see it as science.

Do you believe recovering lost memories is possible threw remote viewing?

Never tried it. Lost memories and remote viewing are very different things.