houseonfire
Nov 29 2004, 01:35 AM
last night i was in bed and i closed my eyes and pretended that i could turn back time, well my digital clock said it was 12:31 i closed my eyes and thought what if it was one minute ago i then opend my eyes and it was 12:30 AGAIN , so then i tried it again and then it was suddeny 12:40 and I KNOW i diddnt fall asleep cause i was sitting up.
weird dont you think?
Sirius147
Nov 29 2004, 01:40 AM
Get new batteries

HaHa LoL just kidding well u may have chronokinesis or you might have electrokinesis...
Curiosity
Nov 29 2004, 01:48 AM
Well my guess is when you "went back in time" it was already 12:30 or 12:29 and you say your clock is digital, so you probably only saw a part of the minute place on the clock and
thought it was 12:31. I really, really doubt that you went back in time. Or maybe you accidently screwed up your clock with electrokinesis.
And if this happened at night, this was happening past midnight so you were probably pretty tired, and your perception of time blurs when the brain isn't fully awake. You don't have to be dozing off to be tired.
But the good news is: chronokinesis=deliberatly changing your perception of time. Congrats! Now maybe you can find a way to do it in the waking hours.
arwenpotter
Nov 29 2004, 04:46 AM
its happened to me before but i dont think much of it. however ek has changed my clock forward and hour or behind so ive woken up thinking i was late for school gah
kosei-x
Dec 1 2004, 02:41 AM
I agree with whiskers on this one because maybe your eyes were just playing tricks on you , really it was 12:30am!
Insight
Dec 1 2004, 02:48 AM
QUOTE(houseonfire @ Nov 28 2004, 05:35 PM)
last night i was in bed and i closed my eyes and pretended that i could turn back time, well my digital clock said it was 12:31 i closed my eyes and thought what if it was one minute ago i then opend my eyes and it was 12:30 AGAIN , so then i tried it again and then it was suddeny 12:40 and I KNOW i diddnt fall asleep cause i was sitting up.
weird dont you think?
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I think there is no credibility in your post whatsoever. I have had many dreams in which I "wake up" multiple times.
Just because you imagined you could do something doesn't mean you can actually do it.
You seem to have an over active imagination.
By the way, how old are you?
AstralDragon
Dec 1 2004, 05:38 AM
Does our age really matter, we dont have to be grown and sophisticated adults such as yourself...I think this forum is open to all people and the fact that you think that people such as myself think we are wasting your time with these so called stories doesnt give you the reason to be so harsh and rude...

you should be more considerate of others peoples thoughts and if people dotn want to reveal their age to you then they dont have to...
houseonfire
Dec 1 2004, 07:34 AM
i was wide awake, i was siting up before i even layed down, i hadnt fallen asleep, i was wide awake! and i had had 7 can of soda that day so iwas perfacly awake!
Insight
Dec 1 2004, 08:30 AM
Yes, age DOES matter. You are obviously young to make the argument that it doesn't.
Does our age really matter,
Yes, age DOES matter. You are obviously young to make the argument that it doesn't.
we dont have to be grown and sophisticated adults such as yourself.
I made no claim that I am sophisticated. I'm merely an adult. And I see the follys of my youth. Youth's folly is invisable to youth.
..I think this forum is open to all people
Yes, it is, and should remain so.
and the fact that you think that people such as myself think we are wasting your time with these so called stories doesnt give you the reason to be so harsh and rude...
Don't be so quick to jump the gun. I am merely trying to take into account every possible fact before I make a conclusion in my mind about such stories. Numerical age of a person is a highly important factor in determining credibility, metal capacity, maturity, and most importantly, predisposition for fibs. If one is attending a public school and not socially accepted there, one will seek accpetance where ever one can, in any way one can. it's survival instinct. Human's are pack animals. This is one of the biggest problems in north america: or school system. It's not what they teach, it's what they don't teach, and enforce. School is all a big power struggle. It is designed to destroy the wills of the young early on in life so they will be an easy mass to control. Infact, some people are so abused by the system they kill themselves, and others. This should never, ever, EVER happen in a proper school environment.
you should be more considerate of others peoples thoughts and if people dotn want to reveal their age to you then they dont have to...
The only person who would say this is a younger person seeking acceptance from an older crowd. Let me make a guess: you are 15. Why do I say this? Because I fully remember my life when I was younger and all the stupid rediculous cries for help I made, all the lies, and the deception, all the fronts, and all the masks. And it hurts me that anyone else should ever have to go through it. It hurts me to think that I felt justified in my actions. It hurts me to think of the people in school who feel like worthless pieces or garbage because of their social status, and not the beautiful works of art they really are. It hurts me to think that they are all seeking acceptance in allt he wrong places, for all the wrong reasons.
This is why numerical age is omportant. It can let a person know what the individual in question is experiencing, or exposed to.
For the record, I'm 22
girty1600
Dec 1 2004, 09:04 AM
Who thinks that Insight's age (or anyone's age) has anything to do with this thread?
_hAiLO_
Dec 1 2004, 12:31 PM
I am very firm about this and I think that age only matters through the 'lying and telling the truth' situations...I think adults are more truth telling...
But young people wouldn't lie for a reason. I see absolutely no reason why they lie and its not because they want adult acceptance, but they want help and answers. If they seek adult acceptance, they would be somewhere else.
And I see no reason why they should lie. Give me one cause I can't think, but easily thought, young people over 13 can be trusted because I see them as mature enough to know what the consequences are if they were lying....
AstralDragon
Dec 1 2004, 03:04 PM
OK, listen here mister im 13 and proud just cuz you think people my age lie doesnt mean they all du, for your information i wasnt brought up that way! If you felt that way when you were 15 i suggest(if you hadn't) for you to talk to a certified therapist...and one more thing just cuz someones a certain age doesnt mean you have to incompetent
Sirius147
Dec 1 2004, 03:17 PM
QUOTE
Don't be so quick to jump the gun. I am merely trying to take into account every possible fact before I make a conclusion in my mind about such stories. Numerical age of a person is a highly important factor in determining credibility, metal capacity, maturity, and most importantly, predisposition for fibs. If one is attending a public school and not socially accepted there, one will seek accpetance where ever one can, in any way one can. it's survival instinct. Human's are pack animals. This is one of the biggest problems in north america: or school system. It's not what they teach, it's what they don't teach, and enforce. School is all a big power struggle. It is designed to destroy the wills of the young early on in life so they will be an easy mass to control. Infact, some people are so abused by the system they kill themselves, and others. This should never, ever, EVER happen in a proper school environment.
Seeking for acceptance? Are you suggesting that most of us here dont get accepted at school? Socially accepted. Ok first of all, i dont want to be accepted by some people at school for i can be popular. I dont want to join a clique for i can feel accepted. I do things my way in any way i want to. I dont reach by everyones standards... i dont want to be in everyones high expectations. Someone who just wants to have acceptance by other people and make friends for all the morally wrong reasons are just crazy in the head. So let me get this straight, you think people here are not accepted by social groups in school that they have to lie just for they can feel they are apart of something?
houseonfire
Dec 1 2004, 05:07 PM
im 14 , i know the second you saw how old i was you thought "liar" well im not i wouldnt come on UM and just liar about stuff.
I just wouldnt lie.
and anyways why are you seeking just this topic out there are MANY more topics on here go to those!!!
gufzoo
Dec 1 2004, 05:31 PM
Guys, I think the problem isn't lying so much as having an over-active imagination. Young people like yourselves are inquisitive and enthusiastic and idealistic, and you see a lot of mystery and magic and beauty in the world. And you want so badly to feel special and to have cool powers, like the comic book superheroes.
Because of this, it is easy to see how young people can experience or manifest a perfectly explainable thing, but automatically assign a supernatural metaphysical reasoning behind it. For example, you sit there staring for half an hour at a psi wheel, trying to spin it with your mind. Then a breeze moves through the room, coming from an open window across the house, and makes the wheel move and you automatically think "I've done it! I'm telekinetic!"
Don't get mad at me here, I'm not a skeptic and I do believe that anything is possible. However, in light of the whole idealistic/enthusiastic/magic-seeking attitude that young teens embrace, it's easy for an older person to wonder exactly how many of your psionic claims are real-world explainable... I believe in the metaphysical and I personally have many experiences in that arena. I'm just trying to explain to you why your age is a factor in determining your credibility. It isn't because of a tendency to lie - it's because of your idealistic attitudes. Try to hold onto them, by all means - just don't let them get the best of you.
houseonfire
Dec 1 2004, 05:42 PM
QUOTE(gufzoo @ Dec 1 2004, 05:31 PM)
Because of this, it is easy to see how young people can experience or manifest a perfectly explainable thing, but automatically assign a supernatural metaphysical reasoning behind it.
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ok than please explain to me the "explanation" of ek and those other psi that doesnt have wind to make it look like you did it?
gufzoo
Dec 1 2004, 06:50 PM
You missed my point. I wasn't proving or disproving anything. I was just trying to show you why older people have a hard time believing younger people have supernatural abilities.
It isn't because of a tendency to lie. It's because of a tendency to over-react.
Insight
Dec 1 2004, 08:52 PM
I am very firm about this and I think that age only matters through the 'lying and telling the truth' situations...I think adults are more truth telling...
Adults are capable of much more elaborate lies. But they aren't as pre-disposed to active imaginitive thinkings.
But young people wouldn't lie for a reason. I see absolutely no reason why they lie and its not because they want adult acceptance, but they want help and answers. If they seek adult acceptance, they would be somewhere else.
That's easy for an individual to say. But you don't seem to understand what I mean by "acceptance". You will, however, understand when you get out of highschool and into the real world.
And I see no reason why they should lie. Give me one cause I can't think, but easily thought, young people over 13 can be trusted because I see them as mature enough to know what the consequences are if they were lying....
Present consequences, yes. Future consequences, no. Only be experience and the passing of time can one insight into how an action affaects the future.
As for you one reason why they would lie, consider the following:
I think I have the ability to move objects with my mind. It seems fantastic and wonderful to me. But the feeling as of yet only exists in one reality: the reality of my own mind. Having another person believe in your ability causes the feeling to exist in two realities: two minds. The added good-feeling energy is picked up on by the person who started it and the sensation is felt more strongly. The more people who share belief in what you can do, the more real it seems to become, and the more real and pleasureable it seems to feel. This applies to ANYTHING in life.
Guys, I think the problem isn't lying so much as having an over-active imagination. Young people like yourselves are inquisitive and enthusiastic and idealistic, and you see a lot of mystery and magic and beauty in the world. And you want so badly to feel special and to have cool powers, like the comic book superheroes.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Something that one believes in can almost be forced into existance through imagination. I was exactly like you in my youth, forcing my dreams of power into existance without seeing they were just another form my imagination took. I even seem to do this on a different level today.
"Because of this, it is easy to see how young people can experience or manifest a perfectly explainable thing, but automatically assign a supernatural metaphysical reasoning behind it. For example, you sit there staring for half an hour at a psi wheel, trying to spin it with your mind. Then a breeze moves through the room, coming from an open window across the house, and makes the wheel move and you automatically think "I've done it! I'm telekinetic!" "
Again, I couldn't have said it better myself. You want to believe something SO badly, that you will automatically believe it outright if a single incedent of it happens. Often times, not even trying it again, for fear it won't work, crushing your faith in your ability.
Don't get mad at me here, I'm not a skeptic and I do believe that anything is possible. However, in light of the whole idealistic/enthusiastic/magic-seeking attitude that young teens embrace, it's easy for an older person to wonder exactly how many of your psionic claims are real-world explainable... I believe in the metaphysical and I personally have many experiences in that arena. I'm just trying to explain to you why your age is a factor in determining your credibility. It isn't because of a tendency to lie - it's because of your idealistic attitudes. Try to hold onto them, by all means - just don't let them get the best of you.
These are faultless words of wisdom people. I am a firm believer of the psychic realm also. But as was said in above post, don't let idealistic attutudes get the best of you. Control of this can only really come through experience.
As the famous poet Oscar Wilde said, :The old have seen everything, the middle aged suspect everything, and the youth know everything. Don't take offense to this. Take it as a very experienced and influential individual's obervations about life.
ok than please explain to me the "explanation" of ek and those other psi that doesnt have wind to make it look like you did it?
You jumped to a grave conclusion in your haste for a defense, but I don't fault you for it. I was not attempting to explain EVERY SINGLE KINETIC ABILITY with those few sentences. I was merely making an easily understandible example of one or two of them. As for the rest, any person who will never believe in the psychic realm will always be able to explain away his skepticism. this is the nature of human belief. And any person dedicated to studying the art of kinetics MUST be prepared for this, if he wants to be taken seriously.
im 14 , i know the second you saw how old i was you thought "liar" well im not i wouldnt come on UM and just liar about stuff.
I just wouldnt lie.
and anyways why are you seeking just this topic out there are MANY more topics on here go to those!!!
I'm not saying you are a liar. I believe that you believe in your abilities. But your reality is not my reality, and I can not function outside of my own mind. Perhaps you wouldn't lie. Perhaps you would accidentally or innocently present evidnce that has been skewed. or perhaps you would be perfectly rocksolid in your explinations. But the majority of young people (and older people as well!!!) across the net, ecspecially in chat rooms, are complete frauds, and easily detectable by someone in the know. I am not being prejudice against youth, I am merely being realistic.
Seeking for acceptance? Are you suggesting that most of us here dont get accepted at school?
No, i am not. Not whatsoever. But a person in highschool hasnot yet become self actualized because they have no been exposed to the real world. They are not self dependant because they are still finding themselves and defining who they are, who they are not, and who they want to be. Acceptance comesa in so many different shapes and forms that you cannot truely understand what I mean when you are not part of adult society. Though many adults STILL do not become self sufficient after highschool, the majority do. And by self sufficient, I mean needing nothing but themselves to maintain their existance in comfort.
i dont want to be accepted by some people at school for i can be popular. I dont want to join a clique for i can feel accepted.
Maybe not in your conscious mind, no. Perhaps not even in your sunconscious mind. Who's to say really. But this is NOT what I am talking about.
I do things my way in any way i want to. I dont reach by everyones standards... i dont want to be in everyones high expectations. Someone who just wants to have acceptance by other people and make friends for all the morally wrong reasons are just crazy in the head. So let me get this straight, you think people here are not accepted by social groups in school that they have to lie just for they can feel they are apart of something?
Nope. I don't. Lie is the wrong word, as is the context you have placed my words in. See the above statement I made.
Stretching the truth is not a full lie. A half truth is not a full lie. A fib is not a full lie. There are many different forms of information and data in our world, and all of them are imperfect. But it's the depth of their imperfection that can throw them into the full category of outright acception.
So let me get this straight, you think people here are not accepted by social groups in school that they have to lie just for they can feel they are apart of something?
Though this isn't always the case, it does happen. More than you realize, becausxe you may not be a part of it. I have watched and studied the power struggles in modern schools and in my own self to know this. And it's not a complete study by any means. But it is a very real thing as any psychologist can expplain. But I am not saying it is a predominent possibility by any means.
Who thinks that Insight's age (or anyone's age) has anything to do with this thread?
I do. People of different numerical age come from different worlds. Your world is one of institutional learning, supplemented, and confined social environment. My world is one of struggling towards self-sufficiency, worldly learning, and career paths. If two people come from different worlds, there will inevitably be a conflict of interests. I was trying to figure out what worlds people came from so i can better communicate with them. So in essense, there will be less information misunderstood, or "lost in translation" during conversation. Do you understand what I am talking about?
houseonfire
Dec 1 2004, 10:19 PM
insite PLEASE get out of these forums we dont need your negativity
gufzoo
Dec 2 2004, 12:17 AM
QUOTE(houseonfire @ Dec 1 2004, 10:19 PM)
insite PLEASE get out of these forums we dont need your negativity
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That's not negativity, house. That's open-minded realism. Sorry if he's bursting your bubble, but it's true. And this is an open forum, as many skeptics have reminded me in the past. Just because you don't agree with what he has to say doesn't mean he should lose the right to be heard.
I for one would miss him if he left
"Faultless words of wisdom..." - aw shucks! I'm blushing
AstralDragon
Dec 2 2004, 12:19 AM
Okay ive had enough of all this ridicule, i am gonna say goodbye to this forum and might i say never return...I hope your happy with the "immature" decision im making but i think this form of action is the only way i can escape from all your belittling... well bye and thank you all that believe in yourself and bye insight I hope you and your pessimistic attitude climbs a mountain and falls off (speaking metaphorically of course) BYE!!!
houseonfire
Dec 2 2004, 12:24 AM
k sorry all!!
gufzoo
Dec 2 2004, 12:27 AM
QUOTE(AstralDragon @ Dec 2 2004, 12:19 AM)
Okay ive had enough of all this ridicule, i am gonna say goodbye to this forum and might i say never return...I hope your happy with the "immature" decision im making but i think this form of action is the only way i can escape from all your belittling... well bye and thank you all that believe in yourself and bye insight I hope you and your pessimistic attitude climbs a mountain and falls off (speaking metaphorically of course) BYE!!!
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see ya
Sirius147
Dec 2 2004, 12:27 AM
Im gonna leave to... Well bah bye arwen frost whiskers pyscic poida and everyone
_hAiLO_
Dec 2 2004, 01:22 AM
Thats a shock huh

? I guess one truth lecture really got the best of them

?
Curiosity
Dec 2 2004, 03:21 AM
Oh, I think they'll be back...
Anyway, while I agree with Insight that younger people seem to have more faulty logic than adults, I want to voice my opinion that numerical age isn't that big of a deal. It should be how mature and reasonable a person is. I've learned that people seem to respect someone who makes complete sense of what they're saying and treats everyone as equals. By equals I mean equals on the social ladder, not as in equal decisions and opinions.
I just want to point out that just because someone is a certain age doesn't mean that the fact should be used against them, rather their reasoning.
_hAiLO_
Dec 2 2004, 04:04 AM
^Yup...those who really see what Insight and Aquauts1 are trying to tell us would really be...very tolerant and understanding.
The mature sometimes didn't mature through age, but how fast they learn. The more they accept and take into account and give truthful thoughts to it I think can really be a true Believer or Skeptic.
Insight
Dec 2 2004, 04:39 AM
*laughs* See ya round guys!
Thats a shock huh ? I guess one truth lecture really got the best of them
Of course. They are no longer able to have their faulty realities reassured, so they will go somewhere where they can. Their abilities seem to have no power outside of their own heads, so they need the power to be reaffirmed in others. Just as I stated earlier.
Okay ive had enough of all this ridicule, i am gonna say goodbye to this forum and might i say never return...
I think you'll find that the threats of your leaving are quite ineffectual on me.
I hope your happy with the "immature" decision im making but i think this form of action is the only way i can escape from all your belittling...
Oh, but I am. Because you will come back. It'll be under a different name, but you will come back. And I'll see right through it again and again no matter how many names you think of.
well bye and thank you all that believe in yourself and bye insight I hope you and your pessimistic attitude climbs a mountain and falls off (speaking metaphorically of course) BYE!!!
Here is the definition of pessimism: A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view.
Here's the definitiom of naive: Lacking worldly experience and understanding,Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment.
How many times do I have to tell you guys that I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THE PSYCHIC REALM. Just to reiterate, I DO, that's, DO, believe in the psychic realm. What I am being in not pessemistic. I am being REALISTIC. Yoga master practice their entire lives to be able to perform an act of telekinesis. What reason do I have to believe a 13 year old can learn it in less than a year?
insite PLEASE get out of these forums we dont need your negativity
I have every right to express my opinions in these forums as you do. What you don't need, I mean, what you don't WANT is skepticism. It feels so good to finally "have" the powers you have always dreamed of, that you will do anything to get away from truths and reality provided by others. What you don't want is not my negativity, but my constructive criticism. Any real psychic should be used to criticism, and able to counteract it with their own opinions and facts without telling someone to "get out of here".
So anyways, see you guys later, those of you who are "leaving". By later, I mean, we will see you again soon. Most likely under a different name. Unless you have the guts to keep your old name.
Insight
Dec 2 2004, 04:40 AM
And to gufzoo, thanks for being one who'd miss me!!!
gufzoo
Dec 2 2004, 06:33 AM
QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 2 2004, 04:39 AM)
*laughs* See ya round guys!
Thats a shock huh ? I guess one truth lecture really got the best of them
Of course. They are no longer able to have their faulty realities reassured, so they will go somewhere where they can. Their abilities seem to have no power outside of their own heads, so they need the power to be reaffirmed in others. Just as I stated earlier.
Okay ive had enough of all this ridicule, i am gonna say goodbye to this forum and might i say never return...
I think you'll find that the threats of your leaving are quite ineffectual on me.
I hope your happy with the "immature" decision im making but i think this form of action is the only way i can escape from all your belittling...
Oh, but I am. Because you will come back. It'll be under a different name, but you will come back. And I'll see right through it again and again no matter how many names you think of.
well bye and thank you all that believe in yourself and bye insight I hope you and your pessimistic attitude climbs a mountain and falls off (speaking metaphorically of course) BYE!!!
Here is the definition of pessimism: A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view.
Here's the definitiom of naive: Lacking worldly experience and understanding,Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment.
How many times do I have to tell you guys that I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THE PSYCHIC REALM. Just to reiterate, I DO, that's, DO, believe in the psychic realm. What I am being in not pessemistic. I am being REALISTIC. Yoga master practice their entire lives to be able to perform an act of telekinesis. What reason do I have to believe a 13 year old can learn it in less than a year?
insite PLEASE get out of these forums we dont need your negativity
I have every right to express my opinions in these forums as you do. What you don't need, I mean, what you don't WANT is skepticism. It feels so good to finally "have" the powers you have always dreamed of, that you will do anything to get away from truths and reality provided by others. What you don't want is not my negativity, but my constructive criticism. Any real psychic should be used to criticism, and able to counteract it with their own opinions and facts without telling someone to "get out of here".
So anyways, see you guys later, those of you who are "leaving". By later, I mean, we will see you again soon. Most likely under a different name. Unless you have the guts to keep your old name.
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Dude, you crack me up.
And Whisks and Hailo, thanks for your open-mindedness. Truly you are wise beyond your years
Insight
Dec 2 2004, 07:56 AM
I'd have to agree!
Potholer
Dec 2 2004, 08:27 AM
Insight you definately have a right to state you opinion, it's great that people feel they can - it would be a boring world if everyone agreed about everything, don't you think?
I understand where you're getting at with the age thing but it's unfair to claim that with age comes maturity. I'm 16. I'd like to think I make mature posts. You can gauge a person's maturity by their posts not their age. People's typing style gives away alot about what they're like as they often type how they speak. There is no need, IMHO, to include age.
Asking in a completely rational manner - could you please not infer that all young people are blind believers. It is a popular stereotype, it seems. "You're a teen? Oh...that explains it then." It is true that a lot of young people are interested in this sort of thing and do grasp at the possibility a little more than is perhaps rational but it would be great if everyone didn't think we're all like that.
One last thing - you mentioned younguns haven't fully self-actualized. If you are using it in the psychological context I think you are (forgive me if you are not) very few people reach the stage of self-actualisation. It is akin to enlightenment. About 6% (I'm fairly sure that is correct) of all people reach the Self-Actualization stage.
Oh, question - wouldn't it be more productive to encourage experimentation and investigation into this phenomena (note: not blind believing - that would be counter-productive) rather than almost automatically putting it down to imagination?
I am honestly sorry if I've blown this out of proportion. But, like you said, we have a right to express our opinions

. Feel free to pick my post apart

Thanks
Potholer
Insight
Dec 2 2004, 08:49 AM
I'm 16. I'd like to think I make mature posts.You certainly seem to.
You can gauge a person's maturity by their posts not their age. Maturity, perhaps not. But consider this: The human brain only stops growing when you reach the age of 18. Not that size indicates intellengece, because amount of nueral pathways indicated intellegence. But what is does indicate is development.
Also, did you know that every single molecule in your body makes a complete change over to new ones 3 times during your lifespan? This also must have alot to do with different stages in life. I myself am reaching the time of complete renewal from my childhood particles.
Now, maturity is not based on age. You are correct in thinking that. But maturity IS based on LIFE EXPERIENCE. Some people experience more in a short time than others. Some less. But obviously, the longer you have been on planet earth, the more experience you have the possibility of having. I mean, there is no way a 22 year old as myself could ever have the life experience, or maturity for that matter, of someone who is 60. I think you'll agree with that.
People's typing style gives away alot about what they're like as they often type how they speak. There is no need, IMHO, to include age.Often, yes. But not always.
I can more often than not tell a persons age by how they type. The reason I ask for age is the fact that sometimes they type "older" than they actually are. ( due to computer aptitude, typing ability, english skills, and so forth) Why would I want to know that? Lets say I get into a very deeply heated discussion about religion or politics. Suddenly I find out I have been arguing with a 12 year old, and everything makes sense to me. I understand why they cannot see my points, because they have not developed to a level to be able to. I also feel a bit angry I have wasted my time discussing something with someone I thought they could validly argue.
If I pretended to be 13, and talk to you as I am now, only to later reveal I was infact 22, would you not feel a little bit annoyed, deceieved, or "led along"?
People who understand the nature of age have absolutely NO problem in taking their own age into account. Which is why I believe you understand much of it, and why I can have this discussion with you. Young children will often not want to reveal their age, because they might feel "caught, trying to act older then they are". Or perhaps they realize people won't take them seriously. How do I know this? because I used to do it all the time on the internet when I was young. At 13, I once pretended to be 28, and got away with it again and again. I pretended to be an adept computer hacker, and got away with it. I'd deceive people and lead them along for whatever primitive reason I had. But I should never have been allowed to get away with it, because now I am paying for how unhealthy it was for me. The search for the true "me" was delayed because of me being the "fantasy me".
Mostly, the internet is a place where you can act however you want, be what ever you want, and no one can prove your not. It gives us complete freedom to be what we always wanted to be, or what we were always not. We can delve deeper into our fantasies than we ever could in real life. But this is is only fantasy. Pretend. And the longer we pretend to be something we're not, the harder it is for us to see what we really and truely are. The harder it is for us to accept who we are at heart. People who are comulsive liars (Yes, there is a psychological condition of such!) eventually believe their lies. They loose touch with reality completely, and cease to function as what they are. What they were meant to be.
Age is important to know if your goal is to help people shed off the folleys of youth. I never had a person to help me do that. I always got away with it. And I wish I hadn't. My goal is to help everyone understand themselves better, other people better, and the world around them better. And with trying to solve any problem, you can't leave out any bits of data, like a persons age.
Asking in a completely rational manner - could you please not infer that all young people are blind believers. It is a popular stereotype, it seems. "You're a teen? Oh...that explains it then." It is true that a lot of young people are interested in this sort of thing and do grasp at the possibility a little more than is perhaps rational but it would be great if everyone didn't think we're all like that.
One last thing - you mentioned younguns haven't fully self-actualized. If you are using it in the psychological context I think you are (forgive me if you are not) very few people reach the stage of self-actualisation. It is akin to enlightenment. About 6% (I'm fairly sure that is correct) of all people reach the Self-Actualization stage.
Oh, question - wouldn't it be more productive to encourage experimentation and investigation into this phenomena (note: not blind believing - that would be counter-productive) rather than almost automatically putting it down to imagination?
I am honestly sorry if I've blown this out of proportion. But, like you said, we have a right to express our opinions

. Feel free to pick my post apart

Thanks
Potholer
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Insight
Dec 2 2004, 09:00 AM
Oops, I hit the post button without being finished and ended up posting part of what you said in the bottom of my speech. Here is the rest of my post:
It is a popular stereotype, it seems. "You're a teen? Oh...that explains it then."
Please understand that it infact does explain alot of things. The hormonal activity during adolescence is comparable only to a female's menopause in later life. The teen years represent instability. I stereotype everyone like this though. Just as I am not stereo typing you in our discussion.
It is true that a lot of young people are interested in this sort of thing and do grasp at the possibility a little more than is perhaps rational but it would be great if everyone didn't think we're all like that.
I don't think you are all like that. From what I can tell, you are not like that. But many are like it.
One last thing - you mentioned younguns haven't fully self-actualized. If you are using it in the psychological context I think you are (forgive me if you are not) very few people reach the stage of self-actualisation. It is akin to enlightenment. About 6% (I'm fairly sure that is correct) of all people reach the Self-Actualization stage.
A brillaint observation to bring that up, and that definately seperates you from most people on here. You are right, only a small percentage of people reach self-actualization. But none of them are children. I guess you could say it's kinda like enlightnement, but I prefer to call it self-sufficiancy. If one is self-actualized, they support themselves both finacially, and emotionally. They need only but themselves to suceed in life to the full extent. They are happy, content, rational, logical, and often very creative. I myself would not grow my ego to the size to say that I am self-actualized. Only another person could really make that comment about me.
Oh, question - wouldn't it be more productive to encourage experimentation and investigation into this phenomena (note: not blind believing - that would be counter-productive) rather than almost automatically putting it down to imagination?
Well, you have to elaborate on the productivity. It would be more productive for me to encourage the practice of a legitimate skill, but that may be counter productive if a person doesn't have the other things in their life together, or if they have an over inflated sense of reality. I would never tell my kid to keep praticing if he told me he was trying to learn to fly. I would however, tell him to keep practicing if he told me he was trying to learn to read. If he told me he was trying to read chinese, i would not tell him to pratice it, but rather tell him to stick to english until he has it down fairly well. You see what I am getting at here?
I am honestly sorry if I've blown this out of proportion.
Not at all. I think you made some of the most legitimate arguments of anyone, and asked questions that truely deserved to be answered.
Sirius147
Dec 2 2004, 04:23 PM
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Oh, but I am. Because you will come back. It'll be under a different name, but you will come back. And I'll see right through it again and again no matter how many names you think of.
HaHa ok first of all, im leaving but not coming back, second of all, f.y.i this forum isnt my life, i have better things to do... Unlike you, this might be your alternative towards living....... Newho dont get paranoid over me

i only used you as an excuse to say bye to "these" people... so yea bah bye.... and i know you know what "these" people mean... So dont ask ne questions on my post nor on nething else.... this just got so boring for me... bah bye suckas
Insight
Dec 2 2004, 10:13 PM
HaHa ok first of all, im leaving but not coming back, second of all, f.y.i this forum isnt my life, i have better things to do... Unlike you, this might be your alternative towards living.
It's typical for a person to attack another in defense of themselves. I don't fault you doe it. It's to be expected.
_hAiLO_
Dec 3 2004, 04:21 AM
QUOTE(Sirius147 @ Dec 2 2004, 08:23 AM)
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Oh, but I am. Because you will come back. It'll be under a different name, but you will come back. And I'll see right through it again and again no matter how many names you think of.
HaHa ok first of all, im leaving but not coming back, second of all, f.y.i this forum isnt my life, i have better things to do... Unlike you, this might be your alternative towards living....... Newho dont get paranoid over me

i only used you as an excuse to say bye to "these" people... so yea bah bye.... and i know you know what "these" people mean... So dont ask ne questions on my post nor on nething else.... this just got so boring for me... bah bye suckas

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. Are you trying to create two types of people, "these" people and your type

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Seers, you have to understand all that happens and respect all that oppose you. I really don't want you to leave because of "these" people, but I wish you to visit once in a while .
You do realize that running away from your problems really doesn't make you feel good, but trying to get rid of what was happening? You have to come back in all situations and fix it.
You have to see what your opposition is trying to say in your face and really think of it and understand what they are trying to say. Don't back off and run from the forum...
QUOTE(gufzoo @ Dec 1 2004, 10:33 PM)
Dude, you crack me up.
And Whisks and Hailo, thanks for your open-mindedness. Truly you are wise beyond your years

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hehe...aww

...thank you
Curiosity
Dec 3 2004, 04:34 AM
How come I didn't read that part??

Anyways -- Thanks, Guffy.
Insight
Dec 3 2004, 05:19 AM
HaHa ok first of all, im leaving but not coming back, second of all, f.y.i this forum isnt my life, i have better things to do... Unlike you, this might be your alternative towards living....... Newho dont get paranoid over me
i only used you as an excuse to say bye to "these" people... so yea bah bye.... and i know you know what "these" people mean... So dont ask ne questions on my post nor on nething else.... this just got so boring for me... bah bye suckas 
No, NO! No please don't leave! I'll apologize! I'll change my ways! Just please don't leave me! I have come to depend on you so very much! How could you leave me! What about our children? WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! Why would you call us suckers? Why are you so mean?! MY LIFE IS WORTHLESS NOW!
Wow, you sure showed all of us!
*laughs*
He who fakes and runs away, lives to fake another day.
I guess the reason you became bored with us is because we stopped buying into your lies. It's so much more fun pretending to be something your not. When I was young, I used to pretend I was a superhero. It was waaaay more fun than going to school.
Okay, I'm done.
Yasha
Dec 3 2004, 05:21 AM
QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 3 2004, 01:19 AM)
HaHa ok first of all, im leaving but not coming back, second of all, f.y.i this forum isnt my life, i have better things to do... Unlike you, this might be your alternative towards living....... Newho dont get paranoid over me
i only used you as an excuse to say bye to "these" people... so yea bah bye.... and i know you know what "these" people mean... So dont ask ne questions on my post nor on nething else.... this just got so boring for me... bah bye suckas 
No, NO! No please don't leave! I'll apologize! I'll change my ways! Just please don't leave me! I have come to depend on you so very much! How could you leave me! What about our children? WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! Why would you call us suckers? Why are you so mean?! MY LIFE IS WORTHLESS NOW!
Wow, you sure showed all of us!
*laughs*
He who fakes and runs away, lives to fake another day.
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Lol, simpson-fan you are GOD THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
Insight
Dec 3 2004, 05:22 AM
I maintain that the simpsons is the funniest thing that has ever existed.
Yasha
Dec 3 2004, 05:23 AM
Hmm family guy I like better but we're getting off topic lol, I go different...
Sirius147
Dec 3 2004, 05:48 AM
Oh My Buddha, calm down, i am not running away, and im not lying.. haha if i were, what would i be lying about??? And these people it means psychic... or sumtin like dat i just typed dat cuz it was the morning and i was tired... neways lol insight well i be bak if u want...
Yasha
Dec 3 2004, 06:00 AM
Really? I thought you were wirius, as in your name? get it? haha.. oh im not funny.. oh, and I speak some japanese and from what I know Chi(chinese) and Ki(japanese) basically mean energy, or raw.. raw energy? not so sure, japanese is hard...
Insight
Dec 3 2004, 06:51 AM
And these people it means psychic... or sumtin like dat i just typed dat cuz it was the morning and i was tired... neways lol insight well i be bak if u want...
I'm doing my best to understand what you mean by this incoherent post.
When you say, "And these poeple it means psychic", what are you talking about? No offense, seriously, but is english your first language?
Yasha
Dec 3 2004, 06:54 AM
I think he means that Buddhists to be correct (Buddha is a god) believe ki means psychic...
Insight
Dec 3 2004, 06:55 AM
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I think he means that Buddhists to be correct (Buddha is a god) believe ki means psychic...
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Actually, ki refers to the energy flowing in the body, not so much the mind. Harnessing this power comes only through uniting the body with the mind.
Yasha
Dec 3 2004, 07:02 AM
I know, I'm saying what HE thinks I believe i posted something along those lines ealier, energy
Insight
Dec 3 2004, 09:14 AM
Ah, I see.
I like how this thread has become a slow moving chat room. I guess we scared off all the children who think they are superman.
gufzoo
Dec 3 2004, 05:31 PM
Sirius is starting to remind me of Cher. Just when I think he's gone for good, he's back with an even more over-the-top performance...