I become more worried when listening to people like you embrace the idea of the world being destroyed. Some would call this type of thinking psychotic or maybe even suicidal. I hope you have little political influence; I would hate to have another dooms day preacher spreading the word of death; saying things like, “No need to protect the environment people, God is coming, and He will take care of it all."

I think your image of the future is gross. Beliefs like this are probably why man built the bomb in the first place. THE PROPHECY MUST BE FULFILLED!!! *EDIT-SP* If not, then Christianity in your interpretation would lose its power as a religion. How long do you think it would take for you to stop believing in your doomsday tale if it never came? My guess is, as a planet, we will never know because one day too many people, like you, will be in power and this is when we will fall. Not because of your Doomsday prophecy, but because one a day person of your character will believe that they are supposed to turn the key and push the big red button.

Thanks!

You know, there is a way to stop this madness. God loves all of us right? He wants all of us to follow his word so we can be in heaven with him. Ok, this makes getting into heaven a top priority. Let’s take a proactive stance on this belief and help the most people into heaven as we can. Since the majority of people are going to hell anyways, and the unborn children, not yet of this world, will most likely fall to the will of Satan; we should launch all the nukes right now and end the world before any more babies are born. This way, we will end up saving more souls, which would be born in the next 100 years, by never giving them a chance at free will. That’s an estimated 6 Billion souls saved just by killing us all right now. 50% up 50% down.

Wow - isn’t that Great!

Shadowsleet, gotta agree with you on all your posts here....I too would find Heaven to be the Hell...Xians talk about how they will get to do this and to do that, but all their bible talks about is singing praises to God (notice I didn't mention the Trinity - just as the bible doesn't) forever and ever! Boooooring to the nth degree. As soon as we chip in, install a/c, a bitchin' sound system, and lock up God's torturers - we can party hardy for eternity......

P.S. Why would I want God's forgivence for living the crappy life that he hands all of us, to the best of my ability....he should ask our forgivence for the cards that he has dealt us.

whatever "the end" is. i do not know

Thank you. It's nice to meet an enlightened person such as yourself, who understands that I am always right

If God created us, Then we should follow God's orders... Right?
If God established this Earth for us to live on in happiness and bliss, Then should we be defiant to the commands of God?

Does God have the right to unleash its wrath on all those who disagree and can damage humanity? If not, Do we seek to be better or higher than God?

It is not God's fault if you live an aweful life. It is your own fault and the other humans around you who affect it.

Poor God! Created humanity, And now its creation is showing it the middle finger!

Only the Xian God, my God demands no worship!

Oh yes... Poor God... just as poor as the father who tried to kill his son because he felt like it.

Athiest party in hell?!?
ILL SEE YOU THERE

I heard about that...poor kid

I am loooking forward to "The End"... because I know where I will be.. In Heaven with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

But also saddened.. because I will have to look down to all the people that I have tried to witness to... and they are going to ask me why I didn't convince them more... but I can only try so hard to make people see the truth.

Peace to everyone,
~Nxt2Hvn

Wow, i have never more in my life felt like i was being preached to...

If he takes offence, wouldn't he have done something about it?

Yea, me too, although, i would have said much the same thing

You will not feel sadness in heaven, so don't worry about it.

This is for all you doomsday preachers - listen carefully

http://www.mp3search.ru/m3u.html?id=38488

But there might be Xians down there pointing , laughing and saying " I told you so "..

In the beggining there was life , this life is what I refer to as God the thing that takes an inanimate object and can make it capable of breathing , eating , sleeping , loveing , hateing thinking and learning . The spark that generated the on set of the universe as we know it today .

It may be no more than a spark of energy or may be something greater but it is certainly worth respect and honour . However I would never dream of coming on to a public forum and telling people how they should worship or honour this God. Infact I can't see why on earth or in heaven any-ones God would want some of his creations annoying the pergatory out of other people with the old my God is better than your God routine . Most parents are highly intolerant of that kind of behaiviour and I'm sure if God is an aware being and more than just a spark he has better things to do than promote arguments over who knows God best . And if he hasn't then Janiel and I shall consume Pepsi together in the after life with Shadowsleet and his hicking and boozing buddies .

AHHHHAHAHAHAHA what an interesting song.
"Heaven is on the earth."
If i were to believe in heaven, that's where i would see it.
but, if heaven was on earth, so would be hell. it wouldnt balance right

Yay Kizzy!
we shall toast to this!
*raises can of pepsi*

Well Janiel ,interestingly enough if you look at the Celtic wisdom it would balance perfectly , for they see all things as being on earth , with a third of all the people destined to create goodness and third destined to create evil and the most important third niether for good or evil but to keep balance .

as valid a religion as any other , maybe more so on a public forum .



and I toast you to fair brethren child .

Where is this hiking and boozing hell??? Show me the way home, brothers and sisters!

That sounds, actually, pretty cool. If i were religious, i'd pick that

and, like you said, it makes more sense on a public forum

lol sure god or what ever may have some nifty stuff for us in the here after, all I am saying, is enjoy the now. on second thought, you don't know the group of drunks I run around with, they would be hard to top for a good time
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Just a thought, but i want a third option for the end, heaven sounds like a no fun place full of boring people who need an all powerful being to make a place they can be ok in.
hell sounds really bad if you listen to those people. and heh why take chances!
so i guess here sounds best. but if i have to go some where else...id like another choice lol.
some place i can Booze it up, hike and enjoy what I have
not in that order lol

Ok, whoever it was that said you shouldn't take care of the envirnoment and all that other crap I never said that. And as for the line about 'prophecy being fulfilled' that's not even in English....

Sure you wshould look after what you've got here try to do the right thing etc, but the point I'm trying to make here, which most are missing, is that Earth isn't everything, and Heaven would hardly be boring. The way Christians paint Heaven and the way it really is (taken from much more detailed sources) is not the same. Heaven is home, people just don't realize that yet. You live life on Earth the way Earth is run, but has it occurred to you that after you leave this world the things that seemed so important now won't be? Following God isn't about being a goody-goody, if fact in Judiasm most things are allowed IN MODERATION. I live life the best way I can, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy it, but I do, or at least try to, understand that there are certain rules you have to follow, and most of the are the same as our legal system anyway, don't kill, being the most obvious. I also try to understand that Heaven is not our world, it's not the world of humans, it's the world of God, and it can't be comparable. This is the mini-world, that's the big-time. Think of the size of the Earth in comparison to the apparently infinate universe (Heaven IS in space, not a cloud, the ancients knew that but somewhere along the line this cloud idea came in). Our little Earth is a tiny inconsequential. speck in comparison, so if you think this is all there is, look up at night, how many stars do you see? How vast is the sky? Everyone wants to know 'are we alone?' Of course the answer is no, but it's not aliens you're gonna find out there. The only intelligent life out in space is in the Heavens, because the two are one and the same.

Could you please give the biblical reference supporting your assertations?

Which ones exactly?

All of them!

Most are Enoch, go read it, you might learn something

Enoch is a 2nd century BCE forgery...can't learn from and unsubstantiated forgery!

I find it humorous how Christians will grasp at straws to "prove" how right their fairy tales are! If Enoch was real, wouldn't your God have ensured that it was included in your bible?

Well darling, it says at the very end of the Book of Enoch that GOD HIMSELF says to share the book with EVERYONE. Before this, NO ONE could write, nor read, Enoch was the first, and God, originally didn't like the idea, because He of course knew, that it would become a source of trouble over time, but He allowed Enoch, whom became one of His favored angels to write the Book of Enoch. Enoch, therefore was the first to write. Therefore, it was THE FIRST BIBLE.

If you'e athiest to begin with, why are you arguing over it? You wouldn't believe in a NKJ version any more than the Book of Enoch to begin with.

oh well, I hope I already have lived my life fully before I get blown up by the sun or frozen... somthing..

Okay, I am going to use your Christian time line and point out some facts - according to Christians, Abraham (the supposed original Jew) lived around 1900 -1700 BCE and all the other fairytales occurred afterwards. Mankind has been writing since 3100 BCE, in other words 1200-1400 years before Abraham. Now the Jews did not have a script until about 700 BCE and the bible was written around 600-650 BCE and Enoch was written during the Maccabean period 200-150 BCE. Enoch was a forgery written by Maccabean scribes (as was Daniel) during their reconstitution of the scriptures burned by the Greeks during the Maccabean revolution. You might really consider studying history before you go off on tangents!

And again I ask you to look up the several posts I've made here which shows that in SEVERAL parts of the Bible, including Genesis, Hebrews, and Jude, that Enoch is EXPRESSLY referred to.

It was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

as several persons, including myself have pointed out, they are referring to the person, not the book! What about this can't you understand? If they had referred to the book, they would have indicated that it was a book! Please quit showing your ignorance!

The person is the same as the one who wrote the damn book!

The person is the same as the one who *claims* wrote the book. People are saying that, in order to make it believable, a writer signed it "Enoch" even though he wasnt Enoch.

Again I say, in JUDE it talked about Enoch, the event of the angels marrying into humanity and leaving Heaven, Noah and the flood and said it was quoted FROM The Book of ENOCH.

Ahh, shall I quote the only referance of Enoch in Jude?


Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones


All it sais is that Enoch prophecies... it does nothing to establish the credibility of the book of enoch.


Oh hey, wow, heres something interesting...

Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[3] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.


Interesting... very just. Oh I cant wait till the end

I never said you said it, but it is what doomsday preachers like yourself have said before. Why would you care about the rain forest in the next hundred years? You will be dead anyways, and by the sound of it you will be in heaven, so why would you care? If I understand you correctly, I will guess that you don’t care. If I am correct in this assumption, then it proves how dangerous a mind set like yours can be in a person with great influence over the world.

What if you’re wrong about the end? You will probably have kids someday and you are going to teach them about your theory of doom. What does this do for a world that is not doomed? What about the rest of us who want to live and find ways to go on. All you’re going to do is spread a diseases that needs to be stop. So slow down, take a deep breath and really ask your God if you should be spreading a message of doom.



Thanks for the grammar check, I really do try my best. Since I was born with normal sized organs, unlike you, and when tested in the 7th grade I was found to have an I.Q. of only a 190, I frequently make silly spelling mistakes like that. As you stated in another post, you have an I.Q. of 210, I humbly ask, was it to much for you to understand what I meant to say and make a comment on that, instead of getting hung up a technical error of writing, or is this what real genius is all about?

If anything I have learned about people when discussing a topic in written form is if they only make comments about my grammar and no comments about my concept, then I am assured they are trying to dodge my bullets, and for good reason, they don’t want to get shot down.

4dplane,

Well, all I was saying was that I never said don't care (me, personally) about the world around you, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

About the grammar, well, I didn't think you'd take offense to it, sorry.

I am not offended Ashley-Star*Child, I am just trying to get you to counter my argument / stick up for yourself but you don't seem very interested. You can say, “that’s not the point I was trying to make” all you want, but the fact is your point is about the destruction of the world and that automatically brings in a ton of other points that should be made. So quit holding the Mic so much and listen to what others have to say. You can show others that you are letting them have the Mic by replying to their thoughts in a well thought out constructive format.

Thank you; now give me some thoughts so as to make me think, please!

That's just plain stupid. Saying that random radical spods that spit out predictions is "Christianity" is just plain bullshit. Jesus can come whenever he wants. Time has no meaning for him.

Raistlin has got the right idea.

4dplane,

Ok, point one, the world WILL end, but only GOD knows when. Jesus Himself said that neither He (probably only while He was on Earth), nor the angels in Heaven know WHEN it will come but it WILL happen, only God knows, and when it does, like I said you're gonna know about it. I kid you not. In the meantime, you SHOULD look after your world, and your own soul while you're at it.

I've also mentioned before (since time was brought up) that 1000 EARTH years is ONE DAY in Heaven. So, don't get all excited, one DAY it will happen.

Where does it say that? Time is MEANINGLESS to heavenly beings such as God.

Well, if you READ ALL the texts, you would already know that.
To back it up, God Himself said to Adam when he ate from the apple, 'On this DAY you will surely die'. Adam died a few years off 1000 years old.

The end will come when it comes and theres nothing you or i can do about it.
Live life to the full.

Blessed Be
xxx.

That was refference to his soul, can't you understand symbolism? I'd hate to see you try to figure out how The Matrix is really an interpretation of the Bible.

It just shows that God lied....The snake told Adam that he would die on the day he ate the apple and God said he would, so who told the truth Satan or God? God would not have used his day when speaking to Adam because Adam would not have understood the concept! Face it Ashley, you worship a God that lies!

It was NOT symbolism. It IS AS IT'S SAID. Unless it SPECIFICALLY says it's a parable it's NO PARABLE either.

God doesn't lie, people do. And Adam DID understand the concept because Adam was with God originally, people weren't created to be spiritually blind, they brought that upon themselves.

Actually, that's a little faulty. The verse states "A thousand years is to a day as a day is to a thaousand years". This means that time does not funtion whatsoever like it does on earth. It points to the fact that time in heaven does not exist, and therefore accouts for enernity and infinite.

You child, you only see what you want to see, don't you? If you understood Biblical texts, or life for that matter, you wouldn't ask this question.

When Adam was created, he was perfect, without flaw, and immortal. He was NEVER meant to die. He walked in the garden WITH God, next to God, because he had done nothing to seperate himself from God. Being with God is eternal life. Being seperated from him is death, because only He is eternal. When they ate the forbidden fruit, they went against God's command, which seperated them from God. Seperation from God means death. Being seperated from God, they could no longer maintain Immortality.

God didn't lie whatsoever. Face it Tupac, your head is filled with lies.

Then I suppose "The circle of the earth" is not symbolism neither and should be taken literally?



So how do you know the people who wrote the bible didnt lie?



Oh yes... HE's the one who only sees what he wants to see.



Maybe if YOU understood, maybe YOU wouldnt be acting the way you do.



Your head is filled with lies. My proof? Hmm... let me see... for today, I'll pick "THe Koran is the word of god, therefor the bible is not."

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People didn't write the Bible. God wrote it through people. Perhaps people who translated it made mistakes and misconceptions. But this is why God created faith, so we may remain steadfast through the folleys of man.

As far as the circle of the earth is concerned, how could it be symbolic of anything else other than a round earth?

You know, the bible also talks about the waters vents deep under ther ocean ont he ocean floor. This phenomena was not discovered until thousands of years after it was written.