Yes, it's gonna be bad, the Earth is going to be destroyed, or at least life will be, but if you've lived your life at least trying to be good, then what's there to worry about?
I don't entirely see it as a bad thing. This world is out of hand, and it was foretold since the beginning of time, it's the end of this world, and the beginning of a new, better one, which, if you make it past the test, doesn't have the threat of hell like being on this Earth constantly has. Honestly, if the world was to keep going the way it is, where would it get us? It NEEDS to change. Even non-Judeo-Christian cultures talk about the end of times...
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Concidering the end will either be by our own hands... or natural causes...
Not really. Natural causes.. it'll be a few million more years.... By us.. who knows when.
Not really. Natural causes.. it'll be a few million more years.... By us.. who knows when.
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the beginning of time,
haha.
*doubts the human race will even be around by the time the earth goes*
I could care less
But I'd have to try reeeeeaaal hard
I could care less
But I'd have to try reeeeeaaal hard
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*doubts the human race will even be around by the time the earth goes*
I could care less But I'd have to try reeeeeaaal hard
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Exactly!
I remember when SARS was in my town here 2 years ago life was so vulnerable. Everyone, like 95% of th people on the street were wearing masks. Just an air-borne disease, one which moves in the medium we breathe, will do it. You can really feel death in the silent town, in the subway that everyone is too afraid to catch to much contagious breath. The life of virus is and genetic reprogramming is so strong that may be we dont need to wait for other things like global warming to destroy us. Everyone dies eventually though, so I will try to live everyday the best I can.
Maybe if we would quit worry so much about the end of the world we could work on making the world a better place. If we could stop thinking about how many ways there are to bring on Armageddon we could start thinking about how many ways there are to live in Peace.
Seems like we got a billion ways to kill a man, but how many ways are there is feed a hungry child.
Maybe we could just skip Armageddon all together and just go to the thousand years of Peace part. Seems kind of silly to go through all that just because some guy had a bad dream and wrote it down in a book.
Seems like we got a billion ways to kill a man, but how many ways are there is feed a hungry child.
Maybe we could just skip Armageddon all together and just go to the thousand years of Peace part. Seems kind of silly to go through all that just because some guy had a bad dream and wrote it down in a book.
No, NOTHING WILL STOP THE END. And I personally wouldn't want it to. The end MUST COME, because the world the way it is WILL NEVER CHANGE. There will only ever be Peace, and maybe even one day UNIVERSAL ONENESS, once this world is over with. It can't exist in a place that is corrupt, and this world IS corrupt. Look around you, it wouldn't matter what we did, we'd still be living is this corruption.
I mean, if you believe that this is all there is, or that when you die, and if you DO actually make it to Heaven that you'll just sit around on a bit white fluffy cloud with nothing to do for the rest of eternity then maybe the idea of NOT living in this world might scare the sh** out of you, but it's not like that at all.
I don't see why the world NEEDS to end. Just because it's corrupt doesn't mean it won't change. If the world is going to "end," it's going to be of natural causes, most likely an asteroid impact or something like that. And even after that, I doubt ALL life will be destroyed. Earth life is known for being pretty resilient. We have a couple billion years until the sun engulfs us. *shrug*
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Maybe if we would quit worry so much about the end of the world we could work on making the world a better place. If we could stop thinking about how many ways there are to bring on Armageddon we could start thinking about how many ways there are to live in Peace.
Seems like we got a billion ways to kill a man, but how many ways are there is feed a hungry child.
Maybe we could just skip Armageddon all together and just go to the thousand years of Peace part. Seems kind of silly to go through all that just because some guy had a bad dream and wrote it down in a book.
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Seems like we got a billion ways to kill a man, but how many ways are there is feed a hungry child.
Maybe we could just skip Armageddon all together and just go to the thousand years of Peace part. Seems kind of silly to go through all that just because some guy had a bad dream and wrote it down in a book.
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I totally agree with you....it his a waste of energy of thinking about our end or the end of the world, we will die when we will die....the question his. What will we do until then....
and the world his corrupted only because we let it be that way. When I look around I see good people that like many of us feel overwhelmed by all these bad things happening and feel powerless.
It his corrupted because will let it be that way, if we all start helping where we can and think positivly, this would be a much better world. Lets not forget that most of the crimes are done for survival or out of feeling unloved. I am not saying they are all that way, but if we help people in need and love all that exist, then we would cut the majority of corruption in our world.
i think we're more likely to destroy ourselves rather then by natural causes 
stupid wars...
stupid wars...
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Nov 28 2004, 08:26 PM)
Yes, it's gonna be bad, the Earth is going to be destroyed, or at least life will be, but if you've lived your life at least trying to be good, then what's there to worry about?
I don't entirely see it as a bad thing. This world is out of hand, and it was foretold since the beginning of time, it's the end of this world, and the beginning of a new, better one, which, if you make it past the test, doesn't have the threat of hell like being on this Earth constantly has. Honestly, if the world was to keep going the way it is, where would it get us? It NEEDS to change. Even non-Judeo-Christian cultures talk about the end of times...
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I don't entirely see it as a bad thing. This world is out of hand, and it was foretold since the beginning of time, it's the end of this world, and the beginning of a new, better one, which, if you make it past the test, doesn't have the threat of hell like being on this Earth constantly has. Honestly, if the world was to keep going the way it is, where would it get us? It NEEDS to change. Even non-Judeo-Christian cultures talk about the end of times...
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Everyone talks about this because it fascinates everyone. If the world continued in its current path we might see cold fusion, manned exploration to mars, and the end of the oil era. If we changed we could only revert to the ways of those who preceeded ourselves. That woudl not be very comfortable.
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I remember when SARS was in my town here 2 years ago life was so vulnerable. Everyone, like 95% of th people on the street were wearing masks. Just an air-borne disease, one which moves in the medium we breathe, will do it. You can really feel death in the silent town, in the subway that everyone is too afraid to catch to much contagious breath. The life of virus is and genetic reprogramming is so strong that may be we dont need to wait for other things like global warming to destroy us. Everyone dies eventually though, so I will try to live everyday the best I can.
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I think SARS was a scam by the global elite to distract the news organizations of certain movements. It was also released to control the enconomy of China.
Where is it now? Is it no longer a threat? Did we cure it? Did it go away? Or did the powers finish what they were doing and stopped flooding our media with it.
You know, 6000 people die every day from Malaria, and it doesn't make the news.
But some new disease that kills 200 worldwide makes headlines for a month or two? Seems odd to me.
And the name was VERY unusually redundant. I mean, come on...SEVERE ACUTE respitory disorder? Medical condition do not normally subscribe to redundency. The name SARS had a perfect ring to it. It was catchy (no pun intended). It stuck in the mind much better than "ARS" would have. "ARS" sounds too much like already existing words.
Is anybody with me on this? I see motive AND resolve.
In any case, diseases will never be used to destroy the earth, only to control it's population, and instill fear in the peasents. I believe something...unearthly will destroy us. Evetually we will get to the point of total technology and total electronic dependense. We will need a way to track every human that lives on the earth with some sort of computer or system. Whoever controls that, controls our future fate. Perhaps the ruler of the One World Order of the future will sell us out to the highest galactic bidder? Or maybe something that claims to be a "galatic" bidder...
It's fun to think about, but hard to know.
I just want to make sure than when the end of days does come, my stance is clear, and my beliefs are known. And if I have to, I will die fighting for what I believe in.
This reminds me of Y2K. a bunch of people thinking the world will end at 12:00am 01/01/00....did it happen? no, but people still think it'll happen....in another 1000 years.
my point? people make stuff up...all the time (2055 comes to mind....) i try not to believe any of it...unless they have some proof it'll happen...then, and only then, will i look into it...even the tiniest bit. Yes, the world will end. No, not for a good million years.
No it's not going to be super-natural. Yes, it'll be 100% natural or 100% man-made.
Odds are it'll be a comet or meteor. all i can say is live your life, and dont worry about sill stuff like that
my point? people make stuff up...all the time (2055 comes to mind....) i try not to believe any of it...unless they have some proof it'll happen...then, and only then, will i look into it...even the tiniest bit. Yes, the world will end. No, not for a good million years.
No it's not going to be super-natural. Yes, it'll be 100% natural or 100% man-made.
Odds are it'll be a comet or meteor. all i can say is live your life, and dont worry about sill stuff like that
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No, NOTHING WILL STOP THE END. And I personally wouldn't want it to. The end MUST COME, because the world the way it is WILL NEVER CHANGE. There will only ever be Peace, and maybe even one day UNIVERSAL ONENESS, once this world is over with. It can't exist in a place that is corrupt, and this world IS corrupt. Look around you, it wouldn't matter what we did, we'd still be living is this corruption.
Why????? Yes there is corruption in the world. There has always been corruption, war, poverty, and illness. There is also love, compassion, hope, and joy. Look at what we have. Universal Oneness is at hand. Look at the revolution in communication that our computers have made. We have people on this site from all over the world. Have you noticed that their hopes and dreams are not much different from ours?
Look at the advances made in exploring space. Do you want the END to come and stop that? Look at the advances in medicine do we want to stop that?
Lets throw off the dust of the old way and look to a new future without war, were people decide their own destines. Maybe if we all made an effort to make a friend with someone we thought would be an enemy we would find that they are not our enemy, they are our friend and you can't make war with a friend.
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Maybe if we would quit worry so much about the end of the world we could work on making the world a better place. If we could stop thinking about how many ways there are to bring on Armageddon we could start thinking about how many ways there are to live in Peace.
Seems like we got a billion ways to kill a man, but how many ways are there is feed a hungry child.
Maybe we could just skip Armageddon all together and just go to the thousand years of Peace part. Seems kind of silly to go through all that just because some guy had a bad dream and wrote it down in a book.
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Seems like we got a billion ways to kill a man, but how many ways are there is feed a hungry child.
Maybe we could just skip Armageddon all together and just go to the thousand years of Peace part. Seems kind of silly to go through all that just because some guy had a bad dream and wrote it down in a book.
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I love the idea
,obviously more people in the world think like this we still have the chance. But then we know better dont we.
No I am not worried in the least, I am assured of my place in Heaven. I accepted Jesus as my personal savior and have dedicated my life to doing the Lord's will.
We cant stop the end of time where everythingis destroyed, we can only set it back, so i say screw it, its not like its going to happen in our life time, so why should we care.
QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 29 2004, 08:31 AM)
I think SARS was a scam by the global elite to distract the news organizations of certain movements. It was also released to control the enconomy of China.
Where is it now? Is it no longer a threat? Did we cure it? Did it go away? Or did the powers finish what they were doing and stopped flooding our media with it.
You know, 6000 people die every day from Malaria, and it doesn't make the news.
But some new disease that kills 200 worldwide makes headlines for a month or two? Seems odd to me.
And the name was VERY unusually redundant. I mean, come on...SEVERE ACUTE respitory disorder? Medical condition do not normally subscribe to redundency. The name SARS had a perfect ring to it. It was catchy (no pun intended). It stuck in the mind much better than "ARS" would have. "ARS" sounds too much like already existing words.
Is anybody with me on this? I see motive AND resolve.
In any case, diseases will never be used to destroy the earth, only to control it's population, and instill fear in the peasents. I believe something...unearthly will destroy us. Evetually we will get to the point of total technology and total electronic dependense. We will need a way to track every human that lives on the earth with some sort of computer or system. Whoever controls that, controls our future fate. Perhaps the ruler of the One World Order of the future will sell us out to the highest galactic bidder? Or maybe something that claims to be a "galatic" bidder...
It's fun to think about, but hard to know.
I just want to make sure than when the end of days does come, my stance is clear, and my beliefs are known. And if I have to, I will die fighting for what I believe in.
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Was sars artificial? I wouldn't know. But it was real, many caught it and died in a single building and the building was eventually evacuated and the tens of familes were sent and quarantined in a camp site. Nurses died, doctors died. I understand that there are other deadly diseases, but the air-borne nature of sars was quite phenomenol, especially deadly in cities of high population density. I think it was labelled SARS ( a stupid name) was to warn people of its origin (or thought to be at that time), HKSAR (Hong Kong special administrative region). Well I don't expect anyone to feel that sense of danger in an urban environment, I really don't want to this to happen again.
Relax friends, we have another 2 to 2.5 million years before mankind evolves into the next step and 3 billion before the world ends. At least my batting average on predicting the end of the world is much better than Christianity's. I have only made one prediction and they have been making preditictions and missing them for nearly 2000 years! Not a very good track record folks!
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No I am not worried in the least, I am assured of my place in Heaven. I accepted Jesus as my personal savior and have dedicated my life to doing the Lord's will.
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How? What if youre worshipping the wrong religion...?
No ones assured of anything.
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How? What if youre worshipping the wrong religion...?
No ones assured of anything.
No ones assured of anything.
It is a matter of faith.
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How? What if youre worshipping the wrong religion...?
No ones assured of anything.
No ones assured of anything.
It is a matter of faith.
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I find that very disturbing... simply saying "Im sure of it" and then justifying it by saying "its a matter of faith"
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I find that very disturbing... simply saying "Im sure of it" and then justifying it by saying "its a matter of faith"
As it turns out if I am wrong and there is no heaven then I guess you can say told you so.
I don't see why every one worries so much about all the doom saying.
there have been people predicting the end probably as long as there have been people.
the only things that seem for sure to end are good things and most folks who predict the end aren't happy with things as they are.
Maybe folks should have a beer with friends. go on a nice hike, explore the world around you and look for the good things a little more often. and if you find its lacking things that are good.........DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Maybe it will end and Maybe it wont. Maybe it will get better and you might find hope and enjoyment in life, but only if you try.
things do end.enjoy what you've got.
there have been people predicting the end probably as long as there have been people.
the only things that seem for sure to end are good things and most folks who predict the end aren't happy with things as they are.
Maybe folks should have a beer with friends. go on a nice hike, explore the world around you and look for the good things a little more often. and if you find its lacking things that are good.........DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Maybe it will end and Maybe it wont. Maybe it will get better and you might find hope and enjoyment in life, but only if you try.
things do end.enjoy what you've got.
I'm looking forward to the end...even if i'm not one of the 144,000 sealed... i think it will be awesome...
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How? What if youre worshipping the wrong religion...?
No ones assured of anything.
No ones assured of anything.
It is a matter of faith.
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I find that very disturbing... simply saying "Im sure of it" and then justifying it by saying "its a matter of faith"
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Stellar, may be some people have faith in things just like you have faith in your methodology. The tools are very different in the faiths of course. And each will have his/her own priority and hierarchy of methodologies.
I am just pointing this out because I believe you are a very smart guy who may someday be able to open your faith to a different approaches, but that take skills and gifts to reach you meta-cognitives. Good luck
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Well, Stellar, seeing as you have faith in nothing, I'd say you have nothing to look forward to, because there ain't gonna be much waiting for you. Like I said, believe waht you want, or rather, don't believe, and don't knock people who DO believe.
As for the part of my post that everyone keeps quoting, you're missing the point. We weren't created originally to be the way we are, we are this way due to the fall of Adam and Eve and the only way to be the way we were originally meant to be is to end the world which binds us to this seemingly endless cycle. If reincarnation does exist (which I think is a high possibility) then it keeps humanity bound to this world all the more. It obviously was meant to end one day, but people are so attached to this world that they can't imagine anything better. This is the fake (there's your Matrix Stellar), what's up there is REAL.
As for space exploration, darling, God is IN SPACE. You don't NEED spaceships in Heaven.
As for the part of my post that everyone keeps quoting, you're missing the point. We weren't created originally to be the way we are, we are this way due to the fall of Adam and Eve and the only way to be the way we were originally meant to be is to end the world which binds us to this seemingly endless cycle. If reincarnation does exist (which I think is a high possibility) then it keeps humanity bound to this world all the more. It obviously was meant to end one day, but people are so attached to this world that they can't imagine anything better. This is the fake (there's your Matrix Stellar), what's up there is REAL.
As for space exploration, darling, God is IN SPACE. You don't NEED spaceships in Heaven.
dont you think God is going to have WAY better stuff than hiking, and getting drunk with friends up in Heaven? and even better stuff in the new heaven after the 1st one is gone? i can't wait til the end.
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dont you think God is going to have WAY better stuff than hiking, and getting drunk with friends up in Heaven?
No
I think god has branded a great deal of the stuff I like a sin...If heaven were to exist, I think I'd find it quite boring.
isnt 2012 the next soon-to-pass-by-with-no-apocalypse date the apocalyspe is going to happen ? Meh to it all .
I'm actually looking forward to the end my self , so that I can stand back point , laugh and jeer, " See , they do hike and get drunk up here , I told you so ."
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" See , they do hike and get drunk up here , I told you so ."
Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
Heck, why not just come down to hell with me and the other athiests?
We'll have ourselves a big party, booze, loud music, grinding on the dance floor, and various other things (that's....athiests in general...not you and I personally No need to be offended).In heaven, they can talk about Jesus, and nuture small woodland creatures.
Hmm, well, there is wine in Heaven But getting sloshed is another story. Who said it would be boring? This is where religion turns everything around to human domination, it wasn't meant to be that way.
As for hell, there ain't no parties in hell, people hanging by their tongues, their hair, up to their knees in crap, roasting, etc all by angels with absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for the stupidity of humanity, yes. No, satan won't be there cheering you on, all the fallen wanna get BACK into Heaven and will do whatever they can, to do it.
Heaven is no big white fluffy cloud. Read some of the REAL descriptions of Heaven.
But getting sloshed is another story. Who said it would be boring? This is where religion turns everything around to human domination, it wasn't meant to be that way.As for hell, there ain't no parties in hell, people hanging by their tongues, their hair, up to their knees in crap, roasting, etc all by angels with absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for the stupidity of humanity, yes. No, satan won't be there cheering you on, all the fallen wanna get BACK into Heaven and will do whatever they can, to do it.
Heaven is no big white fluffy cloud. Read some of the REAL descriptions of Heaven.
Though you say that....Satan has never been recorded as hurting anyone. By the admission of your own bible, god is guilty of genocide on a scale never seen before or since 
Why should the domain of a relatively quiet and peaceful creature be one of torture, while the domain of a ruthless psycopath be happy and divine?
Why should the domain of a relatively quiet and peaceful creature be one of torture, while the domain of a ruthless psycopath be happy and divine?
Actually, the ruthless psychopaths do the toruring in Hell. Satan was thrown out, he's pissed off, he is THE ACCUSER. First he started accusing the angels day and night (read Revelation) then he got sent down here. God said Himself He makes 'the good and the bad' and therefore, even the bad have jobs, if God so wishes.
And, as for God destroying the Earth, well, technically He created it, He can destroy it if He wants to.
So you're claiming that, according to your religion, Satan/Lucifer doesn't have the run of hell? He's just an innocent supernumeray with a big mouth, and all the torture is actually overseen by agents of god?
Wow...that...really does lessen the image of him as an evil tyrant
Wow...that...really does lessen the image of him as an evil tyrant
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Stellar, may be some people have faith in things just like you have faith in your methodology. The tools are very different in the faiths of course. And each will have his/her own priority and hierarchy of methodologies.
I am just pointing this out because I believe you are a very smart guy who may someday be able to open your faith to a different approaches, but that take skills and gifts to reach you meta-cognitives. Good luck
I am just pointing this out because I believe you are a very smart guy who may someday be able to open your faith to a different approaches, but that take skills and gifts to reach you meta-cognitives. Good luck
Yes, but as I tried to point out, no one is assured of anything. He says he has faith, and that means he doesnt have proof. If he has faith, its a belief, and a belief is not something one can be 100% sure of... and so he isnt assured of his place, just as I'm not assured that I'm right in by belief that there is no god nor afterlife.
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Well, Stellar, seeing as you have faith in nothing, I'd say you have nothing to look forward to, because there ain't gonna be much waiting for you. Like I said, believe waht you want, or rather, don't believe, and don't knock people who DO believe.
Im not knocking anyone, I'm just pointing out that no one can be sure of the outcome. And honestly, I dont look foreward to the end. I look foreward to tomorrow. Im not gonna preoccupy myself on what can end us all, I'd rather just live.
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You don't NEED spaceships in Heaven.
Lol, I know someone who would disagree with you on that!
Where did it ever say that satan RAN hell? He's after blood cause he wants his place back and he'll put humanity in to do it.
Why would he run it anyway when he's fallen himself? I don't know though, I could be wrong, but whether he does or not, even the fallen still are under God. He has though, been called the 'Prince of this world' so, if you wanna talk about genocide, you know who was cheering it on.
Why would he run it anyway when he's fallen himself? I don't know though, I could be wrong, but whether he does or not, even the fallen still are under God. He has though, been called the 'Prince of this world' so, if you wanna talk about genocide, you know who was cheering it on.
Stellar, seeing as I don't intend on creating a war here, I don't expect anyone who doesn't believe in God in the first place to be reading my posts in the first place, and I usually do say that at the start of my threads. It gets too messy.
the angels she speaks of are the fallen angels... in other words, demons... i think that's what she means haha
No, they are not Jesus_Freak, the fallen themselves get punished, there is no reward for the fallen. These angels were created for the job of punishment and are indeed NOT fallen.
Angels themselves aren't all of human-like form, some, the GOOD ones, might be quite shocking to the human mind, not everything is taken on looks, and not everything revolves around humanity. The angels existed first, and when they fell they were punished, take that as an example of what happens when you go against God.
...The God Ashley-Star*Child believes in sounds like a loony
However, God IS a forgiving God, if you are TRUELY sorry, He MIGHT consider....
You this Earth can't be too great if the fallen have the punishment of being bound to it, if satan was thrown down here, etc. It seems being bound to this Earth is punishment enough. And people are worried about the end of it?
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However, God IS a forgiving God, if you are TRUELY sorry, He MIGHT consider....
I'm afraid I can't
As a matter of principle, I would no more worship god, even if he were proven to be real, than I would Hitler. To me, God reeks of the same evil stench, as a man/entity who ruthlessly seeks out, tortures and slaughters those who don't fit in with his "ideal".Now that you've thrown in these SS sounding "torture squads" of angels into the equation, my assessment of his is quite firm.
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However, God IS a forgiving God, if you are TRUELY sorry, He MIGHT consider....
What if we lived the perfect lives... without sin. Say someone was the most perfect, just person. He was perfect and never committed any sin... He just didnt believe in the christian god... then what?
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