I've come up with some radical ideas others might share, usually this could get me thrown into an asylum but I know those who are here seek knowledge and are tolerant, deeply friendly people. I warn that it could be VERY offending to certain religious groups, but it is just my personal opinion, as light as possible, with reverence and respect to every religion and belief. I would like to read your feedback, so post as much as you feel comfortable.

The following is an edited version of what came out of a conversation with me and my friend, it's kind of an interview theme. It's all based on what I know and from what I believe, hate it, love it, do what you will.
(A conversation evolving from a discussion about neanderthals and apes, I am SurrealistUnreal)

SurrealistUnreal: Just because we use 4% of our brain, and that precent was used for different purposes, they rely on nature instead of making sh** that will destroy themself down the road and lead to bloodshed among eachother that is un-needed. An ape can't survive in the arctic, neither can we without our gear.
SurrealistUnreal: Maybe our only difference is how we use our intelligence.
StoleYourSoul22: Yes, but we learned to make the gear
StoleYourSoul22: ...Yeah.. and maybe the apes know not to over populated themselves..
SurrealistUnreal: Sure, we can, apes have basic tools, but how do we know that they might use their intelligence for something as abstract as telepathy.
StoleYourSoul22: well, they are supposed to, they communicate with each other without making noises.
StoleYourSoul22: But then again, some humans can do that too
SurrealistUnreal: The ones who have been enlightened most likely.
SurrealistUnreal: You sure as hell won't see a catholic walking around using telepathy. (Since telepathy and anything pagan seems to be frowned upon by most Catholics, you have my word that Irespect and love every one, sorry for any confusion about me hating catholics, it's not true)
StoleYourSoul22: Not what I'm talking about
StoleYourSoul22: Think about telepathics more abstractly
SurrealistUnreal: If they do have it, they will either be killed, or kill themselves by age 21.
StoleYourSoul22: Like twins.. its believed that some twins have a connection deeper than birthdates
SurrealistUnreal: How can you think outside the area around the box?
SurrealistUnreal: Yes, obviously.
StoleYourSoul22: And some 'soul mates' can finish sentences for each other
StoleYourSoul22: You can't, because the area outside the box is infinite.
SurrealistUnreal: We lost the power from birth.
SurrealistUnreal: Yes, some friends can too, parents and kin, siblings.
SurrealistUnreal: You can notice what they are feeling by just seeing them.
StoleYourSoul22: Empathics
StoleYourSoul22: Could very well hold the secrets to telepathics
SurrealistUnreal: That is a power we all have, but, it is in it's weakest state. 96% of our brain is just sitting there, we can use it and whatever other powers one believes in to increase that empathy to something far beyond the belief of most humans.
StoleYourSoul22: we learned from Mr.Berry that people give off auras (Wonderful English teacher)
SurrealistUnreal: Yes, people do give off auras. Maybe it's just biased judgement, but when I see someone I can already sense a lot of traits about them and those usually, well, always have been true.
StoleYourSoul22: And if we could in fact use 100% when we only use 4%, then using 100% would virtually make you a god
SurrealistUnreal: No, because we CAN use it, the average person does not.
SurrealistUnreal: Exactly. Everything is based on some truth one time or another. Shape shifters for example, a lot of it is speculation and prejudice, but we cannot say there are not shape shifters because somewhere along the road it was based on a real legitimate event that was frowned upon if it was heard by the average person.
StoleYourSoul22: If the average person uses 4%, and you say use 10%, you can do a hell of a lot. So using 100% could allow us to fly, and use telepathy and make things appear like magic.
SurrealistUnreal: Exactly. Psionics and sorcery, they've got a base in truth.
SurrealistUnreal: People like Nostradamus are frowned upon, yet he used a whole lot more than 4%, as well as the skill of quantrains and language.
StoleYourSoul22: Now i think i understand what the Psionic handbook means when it states "Psions seek to know themselves, and much of the time the road they find is the road to their inner self"
StoleYourSoul22: Nostradamus.. if its true most ppl use 4%, I'd say he used about 11%
SurrealistUnreal: ...Inner self, tapping into the rest of the brain and the energy and power it has.
SurrealistUnreal: Who is to say that our bodies are just chambers and physical machines and that we ourselves are just in them until we are, enlightend.
SurrealistUnreal: Lets say your brain is a sponge holding in all the power that whatever you are has.
SurrealistUnreal: The power you know how to use is the power to run what you are trapped in and survive.
StoleYourSoul22: Visit the world in itself!
SurrealistUnreal: You also know how to use the power of invention, but again, based on the what you know how to do: survive.
StoleYourSoul22: WEll... are you saying the other powers of the brain to enable survival, or are you saying they are yet another level of survival?
SurrealistUnreal: The rest of your power lies unused, for the curious one to venture into and finally learn how to use the extent of this, "Power," And not relying on the common knowledge to live day to day, yes, to tap into the second level of survival, breaking the known, ridiculous rules of survival of the fittest.
StoleYourSoul22: So.. you could in fact, become just an embodied force?
SurrealistUnreal: Instead of using common knowledge to create and bend the world and the laws that are set upon us, you can use what you already have.
StoleYourSoul22: Rather than be trapped in a physicality?
SurrealistUnreal: This is all hypothetically speaking but it's not ridiculous in the least, and to me, makes sense.
SurrealistUnreal: Yes.
SurrealistUnreal: Science is based on what we know how to do, that 4% of the brain.
SurrealistUnreal: Technology in itself is just a manifestation of the power we are given, or set ourselves to have.
SurrealistUnreal: So, according to all this hypothetical reasoning, death is the ultimate freedom, until you are embodied once more and continue the journey to learn and study how to use the extent of what you have been given.
SurrealistUnreal: Maybe beings like Gods and Goddess are just simple people that have been through many lives and eventually tapped into this obscene amount of knowledge.
StoleYourSoul22: Death is only a gift when you've had time to learn how to use your power
SurrealistUnreal: Yes.
StoleYourSoul22: SO NO SUICIDE
SurrealistUnreal: Then you yourself can become an all powerful being, staying to yourself, seeking the pleasures in life free from the prison of your embodiment, or seeking out to help or punish others, based on no reasoning or all the reasoning in the world, nothing matters, because nothing can restrict you.
SurrealistUnreal: Suicide is a mistake for those who do not wish to advance on the chess board of life and see the truth behind the physical face.
SurrealistUnreal: It's a short way out, an ignorant way, maybe they have been this way in the lives past, but eventually, with hope and will, they will achieve what those beings we call aliens or gods have.
StoleYourSoul22: But, I think you could very well be called insane by the majority of this world
SurrealistUnreal: Yes, I would.
SurrealistUnreal: Many in the asylum have been.
SurrealistUnreal: If I told this all to the pope for example, I would be fed some false tales of consequence and imprisoned.
StoleYourSoul22: Yeah
SurrealistUnreal: Maybe God himself is just another one of the people that has been enlightend, but is out to do good and help the world of those who have not, but does not want them to achieve what he has.
StoleYourSoul22: Actually, you'd be branded insane and go to a mental institution
SurrealistUnreal: Who knows, Odin and the Aesir and Vanir could have all achieved these things equally.
StoleYourSoul22: Who knows, maybe Odin, Zeus, Jupiter and God are all one in the same. Maybe they met the peoples of the world and the peoples named them and interpretted them in their own cultural ways
SurrealistUnreal: Possibly, but there are great differences.
StoleYourSoul22: Such?
SurrealistUnreal: Odin is much more forgiving, kind, and loyal to humans and those who inhabit Midgard, they seem to want equality but worship one in the same, and have more of a fun time than seriousness. Jupiter and the Olympains among others seem to want all power and control our lives in every way possible, never to be equal and always to be the all powerful and invincible, as they also cannot die.
StoleYourSoul22: Well, that could be all cultural
SurrealistUnreal: God on the other hand seems to be more friendly and wanting to help people, but the ones who do his bidding are corrupted themselves and yet it seems as though it relies on science instead of spirituality.
StoleYourSoul22: God was actually an angry god in the first testament
SurrealistUnreal: Of course.
StoleYourSoul22: So, its all cultural
SurrealistUnreal: Yet to Christians, Jews, and Muslims, there is only one god.
SurrealistUnreal: The closest thing to Jupiter in Norse is Loki. Helping, but destroying and wanting infinite power.
StoleYourSoul22: No, what if the God never revealed his intentions, he just presented himself as a god and let the people create his personality themselves
SurrealistUnreal: Sure things happened before that with God, but 2004 years ago it was on fire. (MY OPINION)
SurrealistUnreal: That is why he probably has limited power over those who believe in him because of the unstoppable and corrupted ones that do his bidding, AKA, The Vatican.
SurrealistUnreal: But one day all of our questions will be answered, we will know the difference between Odin and Zeus, we will be alongside the chosen either on Mt.Olympus or in Valhalla and Asgard.
StoleYourSoul22: Well personally I'd rather be just a wandering presence.
SurrealistUnreal: You can be.
SurrealistUnreal: Odin doesn't stand on Hlidskjalf for eternity, he adventures, lies, deciets, helps, improves, and does his own bidding.
SurrealistUnreal: If most of the gods can shapeshift, in Norse atleast, who is to say we can't!

I hope this was a good read, I would like to hear your views on my beliefs.

This was a very interesting conversation

I do not disagree with anything that you have said or even your friend. I believe that there his so much that we yet do not understand about our world and behond, that all can be a possibility. For all we know everything that people say could be true. I think that sometimes it is pointless to argue beliefs, when there is no way to prove it right or wrong.

I personnaly would not put you in a asylum. Altough many would and many where by thinking like you do. But if you are, i'll probably be not far behind


it might be worth checking out.....but I have heard that the 4% or 10% use of the brain is a myth.. Here is the link in this site where they have talked about the subject

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...topic=25951&hl=

To make the 'radical' ideas more clear, here is my basic idea not in IM form.


Since I am one of the people that agree with the scientists who suggest we only use something as minute as 4-10% of our brain, I have come up with an idea that could explain many unexplained things and is just interesting to think about, it blows your mind. What if, someone like Zeus for example, is not actually just 'made up' and actually exists. How could someone become a figure of such pure power, and why can't we learn to use the extent of our mind? Maybe, that largely untapped portion of our mind, is the key to using and preforming many things metaphysical. If one learns how to open up this wealth of information to it's maximum extent, maybe they could preform things that have previously been said to be divine. We are all born with some sort of the power, but the part of our brain we use is all based on how to survive, and the skills and power needed, to JUST survive. Everything we know and can comprehend are based on this and the world we are brought into, which we can do nothing else but accept as it is, for awhile atleast. Maybe, the rest of our mind -- which I believe portions of it to be used by almost all animals besides ourself -- when used, can improve our life, open possibilities, grant infinite explanation, and let us gain power normally seemed unreal or surreal, achieved by the few but admired by the many. Maybe, if I for example learned how to use this part of my brain, I could do things easily and at will that were deemed divine. Thus, with this belief and idea, it is probable that our brain and body are just a containment chambers, or a sponge, for the pure power and energy that is ourself. Over each life, our soul, which is this power, is placed into a body to start life anew and learn, 'sin', but have the ultimate goal of eventually learning how to use the rest of our power and live life to it's fullest extent. Death when this is achieved is a release into an unimaginable salvation far beyond the belief of heaven. A time when one need not religion to please and calm oneself, but only themself. A place where the laws of physics and every other law based on our small amount of knowledge to make technology and improve our lives does not matter, existance so amazing, most of our minds will spend eternity pondering it. People have probably done it in the past, and it can be done again.

I hope this clarifies things a tad.

The posts of those who ruined this discussion by complaining about age and being generally offensive have been removed. I see no reason why a perfectly legitimate topic should have to be closed because of uncivil behaviour from certain members.

This thread is now open again.

haa good, this is what I wanted to suggest...but the subject was closed.

Glad it is back on track



for the percentage of brain myth. I personnaly think it is not even relevant to most things you said. Even if we use 100% wich I highly doubt, and the myth is indeed only a myth, I dont see how anybody could use in our world right now its full potentecy..... And on top, the chance that we use each part of the brain in harmony is unlikly.

Usualy when things are applied in harmony, totally or not, it always brings a new level of understanding, perfected, more efficent etc... I do not see why it could not be the same with our own mind.

Our understanding of how the brain works is still minimal, until we do, it is the realm of possibilties.

enough with this brain myth now.....

Out of curiousity, Raven, what scientists suggest that we use 4%-10% of our brain? I was formerly a candidate for neuroresearch studies, and cannot recall anything indicating that this might be so, or even any arguments supporting it.

The human mind has been throughly mapped in regards to activity, and while we do not have an exact detailed outline of which part does what, we know for a fact that every part is indeed active and working. The vast majority, easily over 90% (perhaps this is where your confusion stems from), is dedicated to the subconscious functions that keep the body operating on a day to day basis. This has been confirmed by EKG and Blood Oxygen mapping, as well as through thermal scans. Even if the brain did indeed focus all of it's neurons in one direction, released all it's energy in one blast (which would, effectively, leave you brain dead), the entire amassed amount of electrical output would be a little less than 3 volts, which even using the most efficient electric to magnetic power conversion (we could not, as the brain is not electric, but rather electrochemical), would not even strong enough to create a magnet capable of picking up a paperclip.

Your conversation is interesting, but, at its base, purely speculation. As a personal belief it works as well as any other, but do not mistake it as anything that can be backed up or supported by science in any way. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but not to making scientific claims, such as the 10% myth, and passing them off as true science.

Thats what I was saying... someone, however, kept arguing that its plausible and possible that we only use 4%.

So, auatus what you are saying is that we think with 10% or so of our brains and the rest is use for mundane things like breathing, walking, digesting, blood pumping and other stuff like that.

From what I've read, we use 100% of our brain, but we only use 10% of it at any one time.

Stellar, the reason I continued to argue was because my point wasn't getting across. At the end, I wasn't even talking about the brain thing, but rather about the fact the science CAN be wrong, and has been wrong. Anyway.. on we go.

Oh, and everyone notice, it says "Radical theory". We aren't (I'm StoleYourSoul22 in the convo) preaching the belief that its 4-10%, we are only suggesting it as a possibility, an unlikely one at that. From all the recent posts, I'd like to thank you on your courtesy and respect in your answers.

What you're arguing is on the same level as arguing, in this day and age, that the earth is flat.



Then you dont know what "plausible" means.

plau·si·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (plôz-bl)
adj.
Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible: a plausible excuse.
Giving a deceptive impression of truth or reliability.
Disingenuously smooth; fast-talking: “Ambitious, unscrupulous, energetic,... and plausible,a political gladiator, ready for a ‘set-to’ in any crowd” (Frederick Douglass).

I do believe I said "Could be plausible"... if I didn't, thats what I meant.

And as for saying the world is flat. No. I'm suggesting that science can be wrong. As for the plates of earth moving, the guy who said it (can't remember his name) was laughed at because he couldn't prove how or why they moved. But now, it is standard in schools to teach that the plates have been moving for millions of years. And each time science(-ists) attempt to make a cure for something (like cancer), whenever it fails, science is wrong. As for the world being flat, it was common 'knowledge' that the world was flat until some guy convinced them it was a sphere. This belief was because the people (Europeans mostly) had only seen/discovered a small part of the world. Think of science in that way. Maybe todays 'common knowledge' is only a small part of the whole concept.

I hope that my meanings are clara.. I mean clear (damned Latin class has me mixed up... 'clara'='clear' or 'famous'... don't ask how clear and famous are related... because I've got no clue.)

What you said is "It is plausible." I'm not a mind reader, I go by what you wrote.



You're using that suggestion to fuel your 4% myth. You're arguing that MRIs and PET scans as well as other techniques are possibly (hell, not just possible, you said plausible) wrong. Thats like saying that the astronauts and satellites and all that fancy tech which proves that the Earth is spherical is possibly and plausibly wrong. You get into the realm of conspiracy theories in order to explain how it can be wrong though. It is beyond any *reasonable doubt* that humans use 100% of their brains.



You have a very odd outlook on science. How is science wrong when someone attempts to find a cure for cancer, and does not succeed? Please, explain that one.



It wasnt science that said, back then, that the Earth was flat. It was a common belief. The scientific method only appeared recently. And again, we're not talking about theories that can be changed, we're talking about facts. Its pretty difficult to make a scientifically accepted fact if its not beyond any reasonable doubt. When you say the 4% myth is plausible, you're saying that all the instruments, all the studies, all the analysis and reanalysis is probably wrong. Its on the same level as saying that the sun revolves around the Earth, but its a big government conspiracy and they wont tell us the truth. Its verry unreasonable.

Edit: Let me highlight a certain part of the definition of plausible...

I believe there was a thread speaking about this myth. I dont think Raven wanted to turn this subject over a debate of this detail. You say its wrong, okay fine. i would not debate you on the subject nor do I wish too, even that I do agree that it is a myth.

The fact is, is that this subject was about philosophying about the realm of possibilties. Okay maybe that part was perhaps a misconception in the first place, you said what you had to say. I think he gets the point

But even then, we can still continue to ramble about wildest theories if we wish. This is what this tread is for I think. It is MAYBE'S not IS. And even if science as proven that we do use 100% of our brain, this does not change the fact that there is still many unexplainable things. Abilities or experiences behond logic reason of what a human is capable of doing and not doing. And too, that even if we know that we use 100% already, it does not change the fact that we still dont understand all of it. Maybe we use it all, but do we use these areas to there full capacities?

So having that said, back to extreme, crazy philosophy.






for the telepathy part I agree with most of what you said. I have seen for myself that the more I am with certain people, the less I need to speak. We finish our sentence, we say the other thoughts before they say it.

Now some may say that saying something that the other was thinking probably happened in context and could be guessed logically. But usually for it does, it is completely out of context or else I would not have mention it.

I believe we all have it too, but we have not develop it since we do not see the use for it.

Many believe that empathy come before telepathy. One cannot come without the other. I think we need to have a certain connection with the other person for telepathy, this is where empathy would would often take place.







There his a few distinction, but many things you have said resemble a lot to Buddhist. Perhaps you may have a lot of fun reading their philosophies. For example, the Budha is not a god, he was a man like us who reach enlightment throughout careful investigation of life, himself, the world etc...

Altough I agree that perhaps many of the gods people speak of may have been humans before until they went behond. But I am sure that many would disagree as it would undermine their view of them.



As for the gods being real or not. Who knows, I guess we can only know for sure when we die.

Until then I believe it is most probable that there ia a being behond our reasoning, more intelligent, more aware, enlighten etc... But that he or she or it is a God, as in he is our savior, our creator, we do all of is bidding, he holds the absolute truth. I am not too sure, and how could we recognize him as such even if it did exist. For all we know it could just be a more advance race or being wanting little puppet and the real God just looks powerless or is not even aware. Who really knows....

If we look at it this way. The cells in my body if given conscience could think of me as a God. But yet, I am no God at all.

A flaw I noticed is the assumption that we only use a small part of our brains. It have been proven in recent years that we do infact use 100% of our brains. I guess you haven't read the study. Anyways, look it up on the net. It's fascinating.

Also, humans can shapeshift, but only through the heavy contact of demons. A Central american Shaman was known to summon demons and supposedly shapeshift. This was confirmed when some hunters froma local village killed a deer of somesort with their arrows, only to find the carcass was not of a deer, but a shaman they had been exposed to in the past. They had no reason to kill him, and were very upset that they had. Apperently he used this form to get to other villages more quickly.

Also, the god's of old were an ancient race called the nephilum. They were giants, and refered to as the hero's of old. Some speculate they were a demonic human hybrid, and I'd say that's probably fairly reasonable.

They were also very intellegent, possesing no immortal soul. It can also be speculated that their race is now what we consider "aliens" or people who live underneath the earth.

Uhhhh.. where'd you learn this? ...And I'm sure there are otherways to shapeshift without 'demons'.

First of all, that is very interesting! I noticed one thing for the second time in about a week, Nephilum in the bible. This is almost identical to Niflheim in description and name, which is one of the 9 worlds of the world tree in Norse Mythology. There were giants connected with this place, but instead of being worshipped, they attacked the Aesir and the Vanir, the more or less groups of gods, but Thor the Thunder God fought them off with his hammer Mjolnir. I would love to further research the subject of the connections, help would be appreciated. The thing I do not understand is why they were connected with demons, but since the believers of 'old' were called heathen and attacked, It would not surprise me. Why does religion have to cause so much blood shed?

As far as the arguing, please stop. It is useless to keep on picking apart others posts in a vain attempt to try and prove yourself right. It's what ruined my thread in the first place and Saruman deleted the posts for a reason, he was disgusted. I do not want him to have to clean up my thread again when you don't have to post in the first place. The argument ends here, post your opinions, but please do not argue and flame.

First of all, that is very interesting! I noticed one thing for the second time in about a week, Nephilum in the bible. This is almost identical to Niflheim in description and name, which is one of the 9 worlds of the world tree in Norse Mythology. There were giants connected with this place, but instead of being worshipped, they attacked the Aesir and the Vanir, the more or less groups of gods, but Thor the Thunder God fought them off with his hammer Mjolnir. I would love to further research the subject of the connections, help would be appreciated.

I'll dig up some more for you on the subject over the next few days for sure.

The thing I do not understand is why they were connected with demons,

Here is why. Before the beginning of human time, heaven was caught up in a war in which Lucifer, the highest being next to god, decided to defect and take 1/3 of the angels with him. It says that God cast him out of the upper reaches of heaven, but didn't destroy them. After this, God created Man, with an immortal soul, and a mortal body (I can get into the significance of this more if you wish) Nowhere in God's descriptions of creation does it say he created the Nephilum when he created man, but later on God says that the Nephilum were on earyh during the time of man. This leads me to beleive that being cast out of the upper reaches of heaven, the fallen angels took up residence where ever else they could. Being much more powerful than man, it only makes sense that if they decided to take a humanlike form, they would be much larger, and scripture also accounts for this as describing them as Giants and Heros of old.

After Cain commits murder against his brother, and God confronts him one it, God casts him out to wander the wilderness alone. But cain replies, "But anyone who finds me will surely kill me!". If Adam, eve, and cain were the only humans at this time, who was cain talking about? The Giants of cource. They must have had contact with them in some form or another. God then says he put a "mark" on Cain so that anyone who saw him would "know" not to kill him.

What is interesting is that the Bible does not talk about Eve's daughters. Obviously there must have been some daughters. But perhaps the Giants came to them and exchanged technology (IE bows and arrows and simple tools to ease their tedious work of tilling feilds and farming) for sex with their women. Perhaps the reason God does not account for the daughters, and only the sons, is because he was disgusted with what happened involving the fallen angels breeding with humans.

(Note: No archeology has been able to account for the invetion of the bow and arrow. Did the giants give that technology to humans so they could kill themselves, under the guise it would make hunting easier? For that matter, is it possible they are giving the government technology under the guise of aliens today???)

This would also account for the reason God sent a flood hundereds of years later. It says in the Bible that man had become wicked in all his ways, but Noah was of a "PURE GENEOLOGY". It says that quite speciffically. SO it seems to me that because the fallen angel's/Giants had so polluted the human race (Thus accounting for evil so great God himself would destroy it all with a single act) God decided the only way for the human race to continue was if he purified the genepool. Thus, he chose the last men with pure geneology, and destroyed the rest.

Why might there be Nephilum still today you ask? Because God says nothing about the purity of Noah's wives, or his sons wives.

but since the believers of 'old' were called heathen and attacked, It would not surprise me. Why does religion have to cause so much blood shed?

To answer that would to be answer why good and evil fight in the first place. If a true good exists divinely, then the first true evil must be the most powerful one. Evil must not have existed before it regected what created it. What I mean is, Before Lucifer fell, there was no good or evil. there was only God, and his will. Once a less powerful being regected God and his Will, evil was created, becasue the more powerful being was able to lable the regection as such. What is the rejection of God? Well, if God is Good, Loving, merciful, forever living, truthful, and kind, then the rejection of God must Bad, hating, unmerciful, forever in death, decieteful, and mean. God says he is truth constantly in the scripture and will nevcer change. Satan immitates God as much as he can, because he recognizes God's power. Immitation, or, pretending to be God instead of worshipping him AS the real God, would also be rejecting him.

This is why I believe the Giants were tied into the demonic, or, fallen angels.


As far as the arguing, please stop. It is useless to keep on picking apart others posts in a vain attempt to try and prove yourself right.

I'm..not quite sure what you mean by this, but I agree it is useless to pick apart someone's argument. What I attempt to do however is express my beliefs in direct regards to certain things said. Apologies if I come off the wrong way.


It's what ruined my thread in the first place and Saruman deleted the posts for a reason, he was disgusted. I do not want him to have to clean up my thread again when you don't have to post in the first place. The argument ends here, post your opinions, but please do not argue and flame.

Are you talking about me? I hope not. It's not my goal to make undue enemies. My goal however is to explain my beliefs whenever possible so people understand me, and God.

...And I'm sure there are otherways to shapeshift without 'demons'.

You are sure? If so, name one. I am sure there is no other way. Who is right?

If truth truely IS subjective, then were both right, and that creates a paradox that can't be.

No no, I'm not saying I KNOW one. I'm just saying that you are basing your whole explanation off of one religion (Christian? I don't know). Perhaps if that religion is 'wrong' (I'm not denouncing it, believe what you will, no offense or anything) but then the whole explanation COULD be wrong (if the religion was, or rather, the beliefs, whatever you will).

And otherwise, maybe the power to shapeshift doesn't come from 'God' (quotes because we're talking hypothetical, I'm trying REALLY hard to explain without offending) then maybe the power comes from some other source. I was reading a thread that said witchcraft is not derived from 'God' and 'He' shuns it, then that must mean (provided witchcraft is real, I believe it is) that there are other sources of power to do such things. Another example from a book I read (yes I know, fantasy books aren't really credible, but just a 'for instance', or a 'what if'), what if in order to shapeshift you have to give up your soul. I don't mean, like to ANOTHER, such as a demon, but just to the world, you releash it from your body. The man in the book was a wizard and transformed into a raven by releashing his soul, but in order to get back into human form he had to repossess his soul.

I truely don't know, just offering concepts.