The Mayans didnt mention anything about the specific date 9/11 right? some guy talked about birds which could be related but about the 12/23/12 thing... The mayans were .0002 days off on their calendar. Multiply that by 3000 years and then again by 356.xxxxx days and you get your margin of error... Dec 23, 2012 may have been their prediction for the "next era" type thing but their seemingly small margin of error turns out to be pretty massive. BUT... scientists recently published data that says CO2 pollution will reach a point of no return in approx. 10 years (2015) in which massive climate shifts will occur that will produce something similar but on a different basis of "Day After Tomorrow" the movie. Water flow will change which will decrease the ammount of hydro-electric power available which could cripple modern economy.
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who says that the world will end in 2012? did the mayans specifically pointed it out or does their calendar just go up to 2012? maybe they thought that predicting the calendar until 2012 would be enough and that they would start up a new calendar that continues later.
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Heres another one:
--The End of the World will be marked at Sunday December 23, 2012.
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Ok, the main thing about that, is that a while ago front page news here on UM said about some monks predicting apocalypse in 2012.. But aliens will save us... Has this already been mentioned? lol lazy.
Hello everyone,
I came across this topic while searching for any input on the Mayan Calendar. I wanted to clear a few things up about them. Their calendar was the single most advanced astrological "machine" of that or any other time leading to our current digital age. With the creation of their calendar, the Maya took into account the slight change in rotation the earth exhibits on each year of orbit (called Precession) - something not widely known in the world for ages to come. December 21, 2012 is a point at which the sun will be perfectly alligned with the galactic equator, and the ecliptic. At that point, near the constellation of Sagittarius there is a "dark rift" in the Milky Way. The Maya have left behind accounts stating their belief that the Milky Way is in fact the Sacred Tree. hehheh....
Anyway, the important thing is, what the Maya predicted was an end of their own age, it was incredibly accurate - enough to cause all of this trouble in the first place. The winter solstice of 2012 is what the Maya believe to be when the sun reaches to gate to the underworld. Since the dark rift of the Milky Way (It's actually a dark rift, just a dark spot in the Milky Way that happens to be the point at which the galactic equator and the ecliptic intersect.) represents the door to the underworld, we can see why if the sun was to hit that point, it would be a catastrophic event in their eyes knowing they worshipped and revered the sun.
So to discredit the Maya's power to "predict" astronomical events is foolhardy and ignorant. The Maya realized things we could only hope to imagine. Say, if they were coming to the top of their reign at this point in time, image what they could have concocted? The end of the Mayan Calendar only represents the end of the world to those who believe it, to others it's another failed predicition that was dreamed up with the over-use of mind altering herbs. But to me, the end of the Mayan Calendar marks an astronomical event unsurpassed and somewhat obscure, I look forward to it!
Choat
I came across this topic while searching for any input on the Mayan Calendar. I wanted to clear a few things up about them. Their calendar was the single most advanced astrological "machine" of that or any other time leading to our current digital age. With the creation of their calendar, the Maya took into account the slight change in rotation the earth exhibits on each year of orbit (called Precession) - something not widely known in the world for ages to come. December 21, 2012 is a point at which the sun will be perfectly alligned with the galactic equator, and the ecliptic. At that point, near the constellation of Sagittarius there is a "dark rift" in the Milky Way. The Maya have left behind accounts stating their belief that the Milky Way is in fact the Sacred Tree. hehheh....
Anyway, the important thing is, what the Maya predicted was an end of their own age, it was incredibly accurate - enough to cause all of this trouble in the first place. The winter solstice of 2012 is what the Maya believe to be when the sun reaches to gate to the underworld. Since the dark rift of the Milky Way (It's actually a dark rift, just a dark spot in the Milky Way that happens to be the point at which the galactic equator and the ecliptic intersect.) represents the door to the underworld, we can see why if the sun was to hit that point, it would be a catastrophic event in their eyes knowing they worshipped and revered the sun.
So to discredit the Maya's power to "predict" astronomical events is foolhardy and ignorant. The Maya realized things we could only hope to imagine. Say, if they were coming to the top of their reign at this point in time, image what they could have concocted? The end of the Mayan Calendar only represents the end of the world to those who believe it, to others it's another failed predicition that was dreamed up with the over-use of mind altering herbs. But to me, the end of the Mayan Calendar marks an astronomical event unsurpassed and somewhat obscure, I look forward to it!
Choat
And when you start a new cycle,just what do you think happans to the old one?It's kinda 'funny' how not only did they stop at the year 2012,but also how at least one other group (which happans to have been half a world away at the time)says the same thing:that the world-cycle starts anew in 2012?
i'm just saying,it waszn't just them.
i'm just saying,it waszn't just them.
QUOTE(Rose Red @ Feb 18 2005, 07:44 PM)
And when you start a new cycle,just what do you think happans to the old one?It's kinda 'funny' how not only did they stop at the year 2012,but also how at least one other group (which happans to have been half a world away at the time)says the same thing:that the world-cycle starts anew in 2012?
i'm just saying,it waszn't just them.
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i'm just saying,it waszn't just them.
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(note,this had to do with something in the first page)
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QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 1 2004, 10:46 PM)
If you are going to reference the Bible, at least get it right. God said that he will never again destroy the world with a flood, like he did long ago.
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Maybe NOT a flood (but he left it open for OTHER MEANS didn't "he"?).
When the Poles shift (and they will very soon) - the tectonic PLATES will collide and the EARTHQUAKES will do what a flood will not have to!
There was NO MENTION of NOT DESTROYING THE WORLD -- just ONE METHOD of how it would be done. Please consider that!
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that was just what I was going to say!
So, whoever predicted it, I have one question. Who thinks the world will end in 2012?
Hailo, do you mind if I copy your stuff down? I'd like to talk about it at my school. I'll give credit to you of course 
First things first...
The magnetic poles may or may not be beginning to shift. Scientists have indeed begun to notice anomalies that have hinted to this occurance appearing once again. Yes, notice I said again. The magnetic poles have shifted before, about 800,000 years ago, and it is important to keep in mind that they took several thousand years to reach the point they are now. The poles themselves will BEGIN to shift soon, but I can promise you that it will take thousands of years to do so; You won't notice a thing likely. (At the pace the anomalies are occuring now, the earth's dipole, in this case the northern/southern pull, wouldn't cause a noticible change for at the least 2,000) All of this is still very speculative though, as the data that gathered this assumption is very scant and leaves a lot up to the imagination.
As for the 2012 moniker, its imperative that people stop assuming this is a prediction of the end of our world on a physical level. I don't believe that this it will be legitimate doomday prediction. With that said, I submit to you that the Mayan belief that it was. According to their beliefs, we are living in the "fourth world", the other three of which the gods failed in creating properly. They go on to say that this one, on that ominous December 21, 2012 date, will end in a catastrophe. Afterwards, the fifth and final world would be founded, and would usher in the COMPLETE end of humanity. Some have posed the concept that perhaps this isn't a physical destruction, and rather is an elevation to a higher state of consciousness where the ways of old are shed and humanity finally steps into blissful existence for the last go around. Of course, you are free to take all of this as you wish.
The magnetic poles may or may not be beginning to shift. Scientists have indeed begun to notice anomalies that have hinted to this occurance appearing once again. Yes, notice I said again. The magnetic poles have shifted before, about 800,000 years ago, and it is important to keep in mind that they took several thousand years to reach the point they are now. The poles themselves will BEGIN to shift soon, but I can promise you that it will take thousands of years to do so; You won't notice a thing likely. (At the pace the anomalies are occuring now, the earth's dipole, in this case the northern/southern pull, wouldn't cause a noticible change for at the least 2,000) All of this is still very speculative though, as the data that gathered this assumption is very scant and leaves a lot up to the imagination.
As for the 2012 moniker, its imperative that people stop assuming this is a prediction of the end of our world on a physical level. I don't believe that this it will be legitimate doomday prediction. With that said, I submit to you that the Mayan belief that it was. According to their beliefs, we are living in the "fourth world", the other three of which the gods failed in creating properly. They go on to say that this one, on that ominous December 21, 2012 date, will end in a catastrophe. Afterwards, the fifth and final world would be founded, and would usher in the COMPLETE end of humanity. Some have posed the concept that perhaps this isn't a physical destruction, and rather is an elevation to a higher state of consciousness where the ways of old are shed and humanity finally steps into blissful existence for the last go around. Of course, you are free to take all of this as you wish.
2012 simply ends a "big year" on the mayan calander. Which basically means somthing's gonna happen. Something ooOoOOoOOO!!!
We don't really know exactly what's going to happen. And I guess that's why everyone's scrambling to fill in the blanks - not being able to know something that will inevitabally happen lingers over one's head like a rabid dog on a string.
Just think of 2012 as a birthday present that you know is coming, but you don't want to know what it is early, because it will ruin the suprise.
We don't really know exactly what's going to happen. And I guess that's why everyone's scrambling to fill in the blanks - not being able to know something that will inevitabally happen lingers over one's head like a rabid dog on a string.
Just think of 2012 as a birthday present that you know is coming, but you don't want to know what it is early, because it will ruin the suprise.
QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Feb 26 2005, 03:53 PM)
Hailo, do you mind if I copy your stuff down? I'd like to talk about it at my school. I'll give credit to you of course
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Not at all
. I didn't think it was that interesting, earing 8 pages and all 
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If the Maya's could predict so well, why couldn't they predict that they needed to invent the wheel and better agricultural methods to survive as a civilization?
Shifting of the poles? Very interesting, but is supposed to have no effect on us. Other than our compass will point the other way. At first people thought it would be a disaster for international trade and travel, but since there's GPS ships and planes don't really need a compass anymore.
Movement of the tectonic plates has something to do with the rotation of the earth. Some people have said that shifting of the poles will make the planet rotate the other way (some ancient cultures mention the sun rising in the west). But for the earth to change it's rotation it would take a unimaginably strong force which then would probably tear the earth apart.
I've read somewhere that scientists have measured that the intensity of earths magnetic field is declining. Which could indicate a pole-shift soon. This means that for a short period more radiation from space will reach the earth (not my words).
As for the end of the last ice age... that was not caused by shifting of the poles. Research has indicated that during the last ice age the magnetic North Pole was much closer to Scandinavia, then it very suddenly was located in the Hudson Bay and then it went to the place where it is now. Sounds like a pole shift? Yes. but it isn't.
It's a theory called 'earth crust displacement' which was thought up by a man called Hapgood and was fanatically backed by Einstein. In short it means that because the ice during the ice-age wasn't equally divided the eath started to 'wobble' (if that's an english word). because of this 'wobble' the forces on the earth were so strong that the entire earths crust shifted into it's current position (like tectonic plates do now, but then all the plates together).
This can explain many mysteries;
- The suddenly frozen mammoths in Siberia with food in their stomachs. Because Siberia suddenly wasn't a tropical region anymore but a very cold region;
- Maps of Antarctica not covered in ice;
- Imagine a piece of ice of about 3km thick and the size of europe melting within a few years. There's your world wide flood. (The North Sea which is now 150m deep was dry land during the ice-age).
And there are more 'disasters' that can be explained with the earth crust displacement theory.
What will happen in 2012? Who knows. We will know then and see what happens. But as far as I knew clear predictions never come true only vague once do... I wonder why
(In 1982 all the planets were in alignment? No wonder I turned out to be so weird)
Shifting of the poles? Very interesting, but is supposed to have no effect on us. Other than our compass will point the other way. At first people thought it would be a disaster for international trade and travel, but since there's GPS ships and planes don't really need a compass anymore.
Movement of the tectonic plates has something to do with the rotation of the earth. Some people have said that shifting of the poles will make the planet rotate the other way (some ancient cultures mention the sun rising in the west). But for the earth to change it's rotation it would take a unimaginably strong force which then would probably tear the earth apart.
I've read somewhere that scientists have measured that the intensity of earths magnetic field is declining. Which could indicate a pole-shift soon. This means that for a short period more radiation from space will reach the earth (not my words).
As for the end of the last ice age... that was not caused by shifting of the poles. Research has indicated that during the last ice age the magnetic North Pole was much closer to Scandinavia, then it very suddenly was located in the Hudson Bay and then it went to the place where it is now. Sounds like a pole shift? Yes. but it isn't.
It's a theory called 'earth crust displacement' which was thought up by a man called Hapgood and was fanatically backed by Einstein. In short it means that because the ice during the ice-age wasn't equally divided the eath started to 'wobble' (if that's an english word). because of this 'wobble' the forces on the earth were so strong that the entire earths crust shifted into it's current position (like tectonic plates do now, but then all the plates together).
This can explain many mysteries;
- The suddenly frozen mammoths in Siberia with food in their stomachs. Because Siberia suddenly wasn't a tropical region anymore but a very cold region;
- Maps of Antarctica not covered in ice;
- Imagine a piece of ice of about 3km thick and the size of europe melting within a few years. There's your world wide flood. (The North Sea which is now 150m deep was dry land during the ice-age).
And there are more 'disasters' that can be explained with the earth crust displacement theory.
What will happen in 2012? Who knows. We will know then and see what happens. But as far as I knew clear predictions never come true only vague once do... I wonder why
(In 1982 all the planets were in alignment? No wonder I turned out to be so weird
)
hehe, I enjoyed your theory there . It is quite possible that your theory could explain something catastrophic in the future, but who knows...even scientists predicted something...
. It is quite possible that your theory could explain something catastrophic in the future, but who knows...even scientists predicted something...
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QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Feb 26 2005, 03:53 PM)
Hailo, do you mind if I copy your stuff down? I'd like to talk about it at my school. I'll give credit to you of course
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thanks, i was telling my friends about it, and they were interested.
7 years to live i guess i better make the best of it.. 
Heres a very simple question. If the mayans had such incredible foresight they could predict the end of the world why did they completely fail to predice the utter destruction of there own culture?
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I hate to break it to you, but those words came from Nostradamus. And Nostradamus's words were proved to be fake...
QUOTE(N-droe @ Feb 27 2005, 06:06 AM)
If the Maya's could predict so well
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Yeap - this theory explains all this perfectly.
It also supports the theory of atlantis - that it is now antartica because of the crust shift.
Think of a crust shift like this:
An orange, but inside the skin isnt attached to the orange, instead it can spin freely. oops the skin moved but the orange didnt.
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It's a theory called 'earth crust displacement' which was thought up by a man called Hapgood and was fanatically backed by Einstein. In short it means that because the ice during the ice-age wasn't equally divided the eath started to 'wobble' (if that's an english word). because of this 'wobble' the forces on the earth were so strong that the entire earths crust shifted into it's current position (like tectonic plates do now, but then all the plates together).
I bumped into that crust displacement theory in "Fingerprints of the Gods". Thought it was a far fetched theory but hey, who knows...if I'm lucky I'll get myself displaced to the tropics
alas, I read this and gave up on the free ride: http://www.skrause.org/writing/papers/hapgood_and_ecd.shtml
Why is it that everyone puts so much into the mayan power of prediction.
They seemed to have missed the end of their civilisation no problem whatsoever.
And that stuff with the five suns was in fact a last will and testament from a father to his five sons. It was just badly mistranslated is all
You heard it here first
lol
They seemed to have missed the end of their civilisation no problem whatsoever.
And that stuff with the five suns was in fact a last will and testament from a father to his five sons. It was just badly mistranslated is all
You heard it here first
lol
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They had many predictions, and here was one of them:--Great Birds will come from the sky and end a great city to the north at 9/11/01.
This sounds a lot like one of the fake quartains of Nostradamus which circulated on the net when 9/11 happened!
could the faker have taken from the mayan predictions?
or is the Mayan prediction taken from the faker!
again - they are predicting a CHANGE. its the end of a big year. it has to do with something changing in the earth
the magnetic poles are in the process of switching - maybe this is it, we won't know until 2012.
the magnetic poles are in the process of switching - maybe this is it, we won't know until 2012.
"the magnetic poles are in the process of switching"
Of course you'll be able to provide a link to prove this.
I have been watching my compass for the last 30 minutes and the needle hasn't so much as trembled.
Let me guess
Aliens are conspiring to make me think that everythings allright.
Trying to lull me into a false sense of security maybe ?
ahahahahahahahahaha
Of course you'll be able to provide a link to prove this.
I have been watching my compass for the last 30 minutes and the needle hasn't so much as trembled.
Let me guess
Aliens are conspiring to make me think that everythings allright.
Trying to lull me into a false sense of security maybe ?
ahahahahahahahahaha
QUOTE(marduk @ Mar 9 2005, 07:53 AM)
"the magnetic poles are in the process of switching"
Of course you'll be able to provide a link to prove this.
I have been watching my compass for the last 30 minutes and the needle hasn't so much as trembled.
Let me guess
Aliens are conspiring to make me think that everythings allright.
Trying to lull me into a false sense of security maybe ?
ahahahahahahahahaha
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Of course you'll be able to provide a link to prove this.
I have been watching my compass for the last 30 minutes and the needle hasn't so much as trembled.
Let me guess
Aliens are conspiring to make me think that everythings allright.
Trying to lull me into a false sense of security maybe ?
ahahahahahahahahaha
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They are in the process of switching. It's a process that takes a very, very long time. Do some research if you don't believe it.
The only ones who would try to lull you into a false sence of security would be the government, not aliens. Unless they're trying to stick some kind of probe in you, but that's a differnt story all together.
"They are in the process of switching. It's a process that takes a very, very long time. Do some research if you don't believe it."
I have and I still don't see any evidence perhaps you could provide a link that backs up this spurious claim ?
I have and I still don't see any evidence perhaps you could provide a link that backs up this spurious claim
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"They are in the process of switching. It's a process that takes a very, very long time. Do some research if you don't believe it."
I have and I still don't see any evidence perhaps you could provide a link that backs up this spurious claim ?
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http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/3/1/14/1
That took like 2 minutes.
You're wicked lazy.
If you're still not convinced, try googling it.
That article says it is a theory put forward by some danish scientists.
Listen buddy the only thing the danish are experts on is lager.
Maybe they've been drinking it huh.
lol
so i googled it like you said and look what i found
http://homerepair.about.com/od/wiring/ss/add_switch.htm
mysterious huh
note where it says "You will only need to turn the power off for a short while to make the final connections"
i'm still trying to make some connection between pole switching and reality ?
more help needed if youre gonna convince me
Listen buddy the only thing the danish are experts on is lager.
Maybe they've been drinking it huh.
lol
so i googled it like you said and look what i found
http://homerepair.about.com/od/wiring/ss/add_switch.htm
mysterious huh
note where it says "You will only need to turn the power off for a short while to make the final connections"
i'm still trying to make some connection between pole switching and reality ?
more help needed if youre gonna convince me
QUOTE(marduk @ Mar 11 2005, 02:13 PM)
That article says it is a theory put forward by some danish scientists.
Listen buddy the only thing the danish are experts on is lager.
Maybe they've been drinking it huh.
lol
so i googled it like you said and look what i found
http://homerepair.about.com/od/wiring/ss/add_switch.htm
mysterious huh
note where it says "You will only need to turn the power off for a short while to make the final connections"
i'm still trying to make some connection between pole switching and reality ?
more help needed if youre gonna convince me
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Listen buddy the only thing the danish are experts on is lager.
Maybe they've been drinking it huh.
lol
so i googled it like you said and look what i found
http://homerepair.about.com/od/wiring/ss/add_switch.htm
mysterious huh
note where it says "You will only need to turn the power off for a short while to make the final connections"
i'm still trying to make some connection between pole switching and reality ?
more help needed if youre gonna convince me
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Pole switching will have little or no effect on daily life, its happened a number of times, just not in our lifetime.
Sorry the last article was absolute crap, I was about to leave to get a haircut. I had actually hoped to get back before someone had a chance to read it, but alas I did not.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005...net_Pole_Shift/
http://www.antarcticconnection.com/antarct...2mag_flip.shtml
http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml
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from the first article
"it can also be as long as 50 million years"
from the second article
"Such reversals happen about once every million years."
from the third article
"one roughly every 700,000 years on average."
So its in imminent danger of switching like you said.
sometime in the next 700,000 - 50,000,000 years
do i need to reset any of my electronics now or would it be safe to say it's not going to be a problem
50,000,000 years
Remember we have been here as a species for a little less than 1,000,000 years
None of your articles agree with each other at all
Is this whats known as an exact science
I think i'm in more danger of being probed by these alien buddies of yours.
How often do they occur ?
"it can also be as long as 50 million years"
from the second article
"Such reversals happen about once every million years."
from the third article
"one roughly every 700,000 years on average."
So its in imminent danger of switching like you said.
sometime in the next 700,000 - 50,000,000 years
do i need to reset any of my electronics now or would it be safe to say it's not going to be a problem
50,000,000 years
Remember we have been here as a species for a little less than 1,000,000 years
None of your articles agree with each other at all
Is this whats known as an exact science
I think i'm in more danger of being probed by these alien buddies of yours.
How often do they occur ?
ummmm the end of the world cant be flooding because in the Bible God promises never to flood the world again and it says thats how we get rainbows
Let me get one thing clear, it's impossible to predict the future. 
Oh boy, im so tired of hearing about End World predictions/prophecies.
I remember in 1992, i read a book saying that in the year 2000 the world would end. I was a little kid and i would cry everytime a book, radio show or TV show would show that "End of the World at year 2000". There were also other predictions about World War 3 beginning in 1998 or 1999. Then there was other prediction about a civil war in the USA in 2004 that would cause a nuclear war blah blah blah etc.
Whats the morale of the story?
Live you life and ignore the crap around. There´s so much crap going on around the world, it gets more ridiculous everytime.
I remember in 1992, i read a book saying that in the year 2000 the world would end. I was a little kid and i would cry everytime a book, radio show or TV show would show that "End of the World at year 2000". There were also other predictions about World War 3 beginning in 1998 or 1999. Then there was other prediction about a civil war in the USA in 2004 that would cause a nuclear war blah blah blah etc.
Whats the morale of the story?
Live you life and ignore the crap around. There´s so much crap going on around the world, it gets more ridiculous everytime.
QUOTE(Fushar @ Mar 12 2005, 08:32 PM)
Oh boy, im so tired of hearing about End World predictions/prophecies.
I remember in 1992, i read a book saying that in the year 2000 the world would end. I was a little kid and i would cry everytime a book, radio show or TV show would show that "End of the World at year 2000". There were also other predictions about World War 3 beginning in 1998 or 1999. Then there was other prediction about a civil war in the USA in 2004 that would cause a nuclear war blah blah blah etc.
Whats the morale of the story?
Live you life and ignore the crap around. There´s so much crap going on around the world, it gets more ridiculous everytime.
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I remember in 1992, i read a book saying that in the year 2000 the world would end. I was a little kid and i would cry everytime a book, radio show or TV show would show that "End of the World at year 2000". There were also other predictions about World War 3 beginning in 1998 or 1999. Then there was other prediction about a civil war in the USA in 2004 that would cause a nuclear war blah blah blah etc.
Whats the morale of the story?
Live you life and ignore the crap around. There´s so much crap going on around the world, it gets more ridiculous everytime.
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Yeah, but the thing that scares me now is that saddam had wmds, and now they're gone... he could have given them to the terrorists. Iran is now a nuclear power, which means syria is too. Both of whom harbor terrorists.
Looks pretty bleak, but never stop hoping.
I would have dissected this thread here, but I thought(why bother)
I will say this, some say that prophecies arent real, without proof to back it up, others say they are real, with no logic behind their words. If your here to just down on others without offering a good debate, then why are you on this thread.?
The fact is, you nonbelievers tend to know less than these fanatics, you see a rocksoldi world around you, when science has already proven that this entire universe is anything but solid. you think you know what reality is, but you dont even know yourself, and you prove it on these threads and in everyday life, when you judge, when you lie, when you make assumptions. Truth is what is ACTUALLY there, not what you think is there. Just because you havent seen it doesnt make it unrealistic. Who made you the scientist. All science is best guess, and true scientists seek truth, they dont dismiss anything out of hand just because it sounds preposterous.
You say these silly things about your year 2000 end of the world cliche. That was no prophecy backed up by anyone credible.
Nostradomus predicted Hitler, and he happened. He said the Eagle and the Lion would unite in a terrible attack upon a moslim country, and they did. The symbol of america is the Eagle, the symbol of britain is the Lion.
He also predicted that in the turn of the millenium the "twin towers" would fall. What happened in 2000? The World Trade Center, both its largest towers that were exactly Identical to one another fell like trees under an army of lumberjacks.
Making assumptions about what you dont know or havent studied is not only ignorant, but foolish.
YOu say prophecies cant exist? Well let me open your mind a little.
The greeks, the Chinese and many other civilizations knew for a long time in things such as Chi, the Aura, or what the Hindus term Prana. Hindu Yogis wrote down the Meridian Pathways on the body for this Prana. If you compare this chart to western sciences Nerve Pathways, you will see an exact identical appearance.
It has been proven here in america and is now accepted that human have a BioField surrounding your body composed of many electromagnetic vibrations. This is what is called the Aura.
Now, in 1995 the United States Pentagon released information regarding Psychic research, admitting that they had a remote viewing program going on for quite some time now. Now your going to say that a man Can look at you and draw a picture of oyur girlfriend naked when hes never met nor seen you, is more than 2000 miles away, and will get her to the last detail, goverment training guaranteed, cannot possibly have a hope of seeing what tomorrow MIGHT POSSIBLY bring? Dont be silly. Be realistic.
The future is not set or certain, there is no such thing as ONE Fate. There are decisions and choices that lead to other decisions and choices, each one leading further and further down a path. The Bible speaks of Revelations about the End of this Era and the Beginning of the next, and explains how the wicked will be destroyed, but it doesnt say so and so, and so and so, are doomed to burn in the fire no matter what. The game will be set, how it ends will be up to you though.
You think your in control? Does turning on the light, Starting your car make you feel in control? Control is an illusion, and the only thing you CAN control is YOU. You may be able to turn on the light in your basement, but I can sneak in and turn it off, the electric company can remove your access to this powere or give it back, but if a meteorite falls out of the sky, they will be dead, and no one will have power in your area. You lock your doors at night, but if I really want in your house you cant stop me. You are only locking yourself in, because you think you are secure, you think having a fence and codeguarded gate around your neighborhood make you safe, when all you actually succeded in doing was cut off your escape routes to one way in, one way out.
Like I said, you may like to believe you have some semblance of control over your life, but you dont, you only can control you, as an absolute.
So quit trying to feel in control and hide behind your secureblanket of nonbelief, just because you dont want to believe that someday you will atone for your misdeeds doesnt mean you wont. Thats all your atheistic belief is, a running away from your conciousness so you can do what you want while your mind is trapped in your idea of reality. You want to hide in your bubbles, when all the universe has to do is breath and you will be taken wherever it wants to take you, without your, consent, or with even a consideration to your best interests.
Its people like you who cannot see what IS, that are the reason there is such violence and destruction in the world. You want to believe your view is right, and these people should be removed cause they "must" be wrong. You say there is the same amount of destruction and death today as a thousand years ago. A thousand years ago they hardly had the concept of burning pitch to throw down their castle walls. Now they have weapons that could wipe your entire province clean of live for more than a thousand years by just pushing a button and laughing as the survivors choke on the fallout.
This world isnt the same as it was, its getting worse, and its going to continue so long as people like you make the decision to not believe in anything so that you dont have to feel guilty for your actions or think about them as you commit them.
You and the rest of these politicians who only care about their wallets being full and keeping a smile for the public while stuffing a snake in their pocket, are bringing this world to a path of self destruction through our own ignorance.
Man, your like the thousandth person I have explained this to, and as usual you wont listen, because your afraid, your afraid of the truth. Life isnt what you think it is, its not base to the rules most scientists like to aquaint with their idea of reality. A thousand years ago you went to Egypt and told them about snow you would be called mad, stupid or just plain ignorant, so remember just because you havent contemplated yourself and your own life, and seen the truth, doesnt mean its not right there in front of you
I will say this, some say that prophecies arent real, without proof to back it up, others say they are real, with no logic behind their words. If your here to just down on others without offering a good debate, then why are you on this thread.?
The fact is, you nonbelievers tend to know less than these fanatics, you see a rocksoldi world around you, when science has already proven that this entire universe is anything but solid. you think you know what reality is, but you dont even know yourself, and you prove it on these threads and in everyday life, when you judge, when you lie, when you make assumptions. Truth is what is ACTUALLY there, not what you think is there. Just because you havent seen it doesnt make it unrealistic. Who made you the scientist. All science is best guess, and true scientists seek truth, they dont dismiss anything out of hand just because it sounds preposterous.
You say these silly things about your year 2000 end of the world cliche. That was no prophecy backed up by anyone credible.
Nostradomus predicted Hitler, and he happened. He said the Eagle and the Lion would unite in a terrible attack upon a moslim country, and they did. The symbol of america is the Eagle, the symbol of britain is the Lion.
He also predicted that in the turn of the millenium the "twin towers" would fall. What happened in 2000? The World Trade Center, both its largest towers that were exactly Identical to one another fell like trees under an army of lumberjacks.
Making assumptions about what you dont know or havent studied is not only ignorant, but foolish.
YOu say prophecies cant exist? Well let me open your mind a little.
The greeks, the Chinese and many other civilizations knew for a long time in things such as Chi, the Aura, or what the Hindus term Prana. Hindu Yogis wrote down the Meridian Pathways on the body for this Prana. If you compare this chart to western sciences Nerve Pathways, you will see an exact identical appearance.
It has been proven here in america and is now accepted that human have a BioField surrounding your body composed of many electromagnetic vibrations. This is what is called the Aura.
Now, in 1995 the United States Pentagon released information regarding Psychic research, admitting that they had a remote viewing program going on for quite some time now. Now your going to say that a man Can look at you and draw a picture of oyur girlfriend naked when hes never met nor seen you, is more than 2000 miles away, and will get her to the last detail, goverment training guaranteed, cannot possibly have a hope of seeing what tomorrow MIGHT POSSIBLY bring? Dont be silly. Be realistic.
The future is not set or certain, there is no such thing as ONE Fate. There are decisions and choices that lead to other decisions and choices, each one leading further and further down a path. The Bible speaks of Revelations about the End of this Era and the Beginning of the next, and explains how the wicked will be destroyed, but it doesnt say so and so, and so and so, are doomed to burn in the fire no matter what. The game will be set, how it ends will be up to you though.
You think your in control? Does turning on the light, Starting your car make you feel in control? Control is an illusion, and the only thing you CAN control is YOU. You may be able to turn on the light in your basement, but I can sneak in and turn it off, the electric company can remove your access to this powere or give it back, but if a meteorite falls out of the sky, they will be dead, and no one will have power in your area. You lock your doors at night, but if I really want in your house you cant stop me. You are only locking yourself in, because you think you are secure, you think having a fence and codeguarded gate around your neighborhood make you safe, when all you actually succeded in doing was cut off your escape routes to one way in, one way out.
Like I said, you may like to believe you have some semblance of control over your life, but you dont, you only can control you, as an absolute.
So quit trying to feel in control and hide behind your secureblanket of nonbelief, just because you dont want to believe that someday you will atone for your misdeeds doesnt mean you wont. Thats all your atheistic belief is, a running away from your conciousness so you can do what you want while your mind is trapped in your idea of reality. You want to hide in your bubbles, when all the universe has to do is breath and you will be taken wherever it wants to take you, without your, consent, or with even a consideration to your best interests.
Its people like you who cannot see what IS, that are the reason there is such violence and destruction in the world. You want to believe your view is right, and these people should be removed cause they "must" be wrong. You say there is the same amount of destruction and death today as a thousand years ago. A thousand years ago they hardly had the concept of burning pitch to throw down their castle walls. Now they have weapons that could wipe your entire province clean of live for more than a thousand years by just pushing a button and laughing as the survivors choke on the fallout.
This world isnt the same as it was, its getting worse, and its going to continue so long as people like you make the decision to not believe in anything so that you dont have to feel guilty for your actions or think about them as you commit them.
You and the rest of these politicians who only care about their wallets being full and keeping a smile for the public while stuffing a snake in their pocket, are bringing this world to a path of self destruction through our own ignorance.
Man, your like the thousandth person I have explained this to, and as usual you wont listen, because your afraid, your afraid of the truth. Life isnt what you think it is, its not base to the rules most scientists like to aquaint with their idea of reality. A thousand years ago you went to Egypt and told them about snow you would be called mad, stupid or just plain ignorant, so remember just because you havent contemplated yourself and your own life, and seen the truth, doesnt mean its not right there in front of you
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Yeah, but the thing that scares me now is that saddam had wmds, and now they're gone... he could have given them to the terrorists. Iran is now a nuclear power, which means syria is too. Both of whom harbor terrorists.
Looks pretty bleak, but never stop hoping.
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Now to the silly kid who believes only in waht his medi propogandates, you are completely off track. Saddam did have wmd, but he didnt have them after the UN jumped down his throat, after Desert Storm. He Dismantled them, to follow UN sanctions, 9 years previous to US invasion. This was written in Time magazine, didnt oyu notice that first Bush tries to convince UN that they have Satellite Photos of chem labs, which actually turned out ot be a weather balloon control center, but once he couldnt find the wmd, which were never there, it turned into "getting rid of a bad man
"They show a video of Iraqis beating the tower of Saddam, Iraqis, about thirty of them, all around the same age, while the rest of the city hides in their homes. It was a play set up by US obviously. Saddam, planned on continuing his Nuclear program AFTER the UN lifted the sanction. All he did once was sign a death warrant on former president bush when he was visiting Kuwait. So theres motive for junior bush, revenge for the attempted assassination of his dad. Now heres the economic motive, OIL. because bush was being rude to Saddam and making accusations about them harboring terrorists, Saddam decided that hes going to stop oil trade with america, which would force us to use our own reserves up, or pay Germany's high prices. Both of which would be disastrous.
Furthermore, Saddam and Bin Laden had never had anything to do with eachother. Osama once in '97 asked saddam to join FOrces, and Saddam replied with a big H*** no, telling him he doesnt care what he does, but to stay away from Iraq.
Now suddenly Bush, NOT following UN sanctions, decided to invade Iraq, ignoring the UN completely. So apparently, its ok for US to break the rules, but if another country doesnt do what UN says GOD FORBID. Thanks Bush, you just showed the world that you dont respect UN, so why should they? There were no WMD found, his excuses are as transparent as glass, and people like you still believe in him.
Wonderful country. Lets go love our warmongering leader. Lets hate binladen even though the US gave him power in the late sixties, setting him up with the best communication systems in the world, and using his spy network to keep an eye on the East. then we drop out and ignore him and leave him for dead for ten years, for no better reason than fundage, and Vietnam, and you suddenly expect him to just sit on his thumbs and await our return? He did what we did to the British the moment they left us alone, he assumed control.
Now afghanistan got what was coming to them, but Iraq was never a danger to us other than a few lighters, some oil and a burning american flag. We invaded for oily revenge, nothing more.
Hmmm i agree with most of your points except one.
Despite all the evidence to the contrary the U.S. government was so sure that Saddam had W.M.D. because just a few years earlier Mr Rumsfeld had arranged delivery of said W.M.D.s to Iraq.
They just didn't believe that he was such a monster that he would have used them all on his itinerant population.
He did.
Ce La Vie
Despite all the evidence to the contrary the U.S. government was so sure that Saddam had W.M.D. because just a few years earlier Mr Rumsfeld had arranged delivery of said W.M.D.s to Iraq.
They just didn't believe that he was such a monster that he would have used them all on his itinerant population.
He did.
Ce La Vie
Just an FYI- Nostradamus was the one who predicted those facts, and I have the book to prove it. It is written is his language which was Frendh, and I speak French. After reading the book and reading this thread, I just have to wonder. WHere do you guys get your info from?
Welcome to the forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE(Simbonian @ Mar 23 2005, 12:47 AM)
Just an FYI- Nostradamus was the one who predicted those facts, and I have the book to prove it. It is written is his language which was Frendh, and I speak French. After reading the book and reading this thread, I just have to wonder. WHere do you guys get your info from?
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I find it hard to believe that you are able to read 16 century french
Are you a student of medievil languages or were you just reading a modern translation ?
he mayans knew alota stuff but they cant say when the world is gona end no 1 can onley jesus can
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QUOTE(Simbonian @ Mar 23 2005, 12:47 AM)
Just an FYI- Nostradamus was the one who predicted those facts, and I have the book to prove it. It is written is his language which was Frendh, and I speak French. After reading the book and reading this thread, I just have to wonder. WHere do you guys get your info from?
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I find it hard to believe that you are able to read 16 century french
Are you a student of medievil languages or were you just reading a modern translation ?
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It's actually the 16 century french with the modern french and english translations. I've been reading the medival French and trying to translate it on my own. They're both similar to each other.
QUOTE(Black Ops @ Mar 22 2005, 08:55 PM)
Welcome to the forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Black Ops! You rock!
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QUOTE(marduk @ Mar 23 2005, 05:47 AM)
QUOTE(Simbonian @ Mar 23 2005, 12:47 AM)
Just an FYI- Nostradamus was the one who predicted those facts, and I have the book to prove it. It is written is his language which was Frendh, and I speak French. After reading the book and reading this thread, I just have to wonder. WHere do you guys get your info from?
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I find it hard to believe that you are able to read 16 century french
Are you a student of medievil languages or were you just reading a modern translation ?
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It's actually the 16 century french with the modern french and english translations. I've been reading the medival French and trying to translate it on my own. They're both similar to each other.
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Man i bet you get some fantastic headaches.
I'm just about up to asking the way to the bank in french or ordering a beer.
My father once spent three weeks trying to master the language for a day trip to calais. He walked into a bar and said to the barman "duh beirs et oon lemonade sil vous plat" to which the barman replied "what, two beers and a lemonade mate"
hehehe
welcome to the U.M. forum
QUOTE(marduk @ Mar 23 2005, 03:03 PM)
QUOTE(Simbonian @ Mar 23 2005, 06:00 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Mar 23 2005, 05:47 AM)
QUOTE(Simbonian @ Mar 23 2005, 12:47 AM)
Just an FYI- Nostradamus was the one who predicted those facts, and I have the book to prove it. It is written is his language which was Frendh, and I speak French. After reading the book and reading this thread, I just have to wonder. WHere do you guys get your info from?
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I find it hard to believe that you are able to read 16 century french
Are you a student of medievil languages or were you just reading a modern translation ?
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It's actually the 16 century french with the modern french and english translations. I've been reading the medival French and trying to translate it on my own. They're both similar to each other.
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Man i bet you get some fantastic headaches.
I'm just about up to asking the way to the bank in french or ordering a beer.
My father once spent three weeks trying to master the language for a day trip to calais. He walked into a bar and said to the barman "duh beirs et oon lemonade sil vous plat" to which the barman replied "what, two beers and a lemonade mate"
hehehe
welcome to the U.M. forum
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That's hilarious! But at least he tried
Thanks a bunch marduk
man that dude was a fat lire unexplained mysteries shuold do somthin about lian people
Maybe the mayans were off by those little bits because the earth has AGED alot since then, and its orbits changing and stuff.
Quite Possibly.
Quite Possibly.
lol i think it's strange that you said the Mayans predicted that the world will end December 23 2012 when i have read on many websites and in books that the mayans predicted that the end of the world will come on the 21st of december (Winter Solstice) 2012 and not the 23. I wouldn't be scared, tons of people predict things and they dont come true, I think only God knows for sure when the world is coming to an end.
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