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Yeah, but the thing that scares me now is that saddam had wmds, and now they're gone... he could have given them to the terrorists. Iran is now a nuclear power, which means syria is too. Both of whom harbor terrorists.

Looks pretty bleak, but never stop hoping.
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Now to the silly kid who believes only in waht his medi propogandates, you are completely off track. Saddam did have wmd, but he didnt have them after the UN jumped down his throat, after Desert Storm. He Dismantled them, to follow UN sanctions, 9 years previous to US invasion. This was written in Time magazine, didnt oyu notice that first Bush tries to convince UN that they have Satellite Photos of chem labs, which actually turned out ot be a weather balloon control center, but once he couldnt find the wmd, which were never there, it turned into "getting rid of a bad man "
They show a video of Iraqis beating the tower of Saddam, Iraqis, about thirty of them, all around the same age, while the rest of the city hides in their homes. It was a play set up by US obviously. Saddam, planned on continuing his Nuclear program AFTER the UN lifted the sanction. All he did once was sign a death warrant on former president bush when he was visiting Kuwait. So theres motive for junior bush, revenge for the attempted assassination of his dad. Now heres the economic motive, OIL. because bush was being rude to Saddam and making accusations about them harboring terrorists, Saddam decided that hes going to stop oil trade with america, which would force us to use our own reserves up, or pay Germany's high prices. Both of which would be disastrous.

Furthermore, Saddam and Bin Laden had never had anything to do with eachother. Osama once in '97 asked saddam to join FOrces, and Saddam replied with a big H*** no, telling him he doesnt care what he does, but to stay away from Iraq.
Now suddenly Bush, NOT following UN sanctions, decided to invade Iraq, ignoring the UN completely. So apparently, its ok for US to break the rules, but if another country doesnt do what UN says GOD FORBID. Thanks Bush, you just showed the world that you dont respect UN, so why should they? There were no WMD found, his excuses are as transparent as glass, and people like you still believe in him.
Wonderful country. Lets go love our warmongering leader. Lets hate binladen even though the US gave him power in the late sixties, setting him up with the best communication systems in the world, and using his spy network to keep an eye on the East. then we drop out and ignore him and leave him for dead for ten years, for no better reason than fundage, and Vietnam, and you suddenly expect him to just sit on his thumbs and await our return? He did what we did to the British the moment they left us alone, he assumed control.

Now afghanistan got what was coming to them, but Iraq was never a danger to us other than a few lighters, some oil and a burning american flag. We invaded for oily revenge, nothing more.
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I sooo Agree with you, Bush did ignore the UN when they were right, now watch this if Bush goes for help with the UN and if the UN says no Bush will cry and get pissed off cause nothing goes his away....

€ntity
that was a good post. Keep on speaking the truth.

The "We invaded them for the oil." theory, a theory for those with poor math skills. So, when are we going to save that nickel at the gas pump, that justifies the billions of dollars spent in the war, the reconstruction, and future aid?

Aah, never mind, I don't want to sidetrack this topic from it's original purpose.

Lol aquatus, that theory has nothing to do with the american people saving money, it has everything to do with the oil companies making more money. Oil contracts have already been signed to big oil companies.

It's not a theory I subscribe to, but I do think the presence of oil in the country was a factor, but definatly not the only factor. He also wanted revenge because saddam put a bounty on his dad's head.

And perhaps a small bit of him wanted to save the iraqi people...

I agree with this statement.



I agree, but at the same time disagree with this statement, which will further my debate.



I disagree with this statement. Why? What if there is no truth, or what if what you think is the truth is the only truth that exists because you allow the truth to exist deep within your conscious. For instance My truth may differ from your truth. Then we could say that every different truth lies deep within the mind of every different man. So to speak, there is no absolute single path, but many many paths that lead to infinite paths or are finite, but just repeat themselves over, and over, forever, and ever as a cycle would do. But then you could say nothing last forever, but then I would say don't dismiss anything out of hand just because it sounds preposterous.



Who's credible, and what is credible? Nostradamus? John Edwards? God? You? Me? Hitler? Eagles and Lions? Science? Philosophy? Religion? Mathematics? The Mind? Again what can be accounted for as credible with randomness. The best you, or I or anyone could do is figure the probablity, but thats not prophecy, thats not truth.......



Humans and every single particle of matter in this universe are made up of atoms which are made up of protons, electrons, and neutrons which give off electromagentic vibrations. But again we are now defining things, so let me ask you what is an atom? What are protons, electrons, neutrons, and electromagnetic vibrations. Where do they come from? How did they get here? Why did they get here? Who or what put them here, and where are they going? Making assumptions seems like the only possiblity, since how we may never know the truth, or even if there is a truth, assumptions, and guesstamates, are the only steps we or anything that we know of have ever taken, so tell me whats the next step?



And after 24 years of research the United States CIA, and Military also dismissed Project Phoenix, as debunk Science which is not funded anymore. If the psychics were so accurate then why did we abandon the program, and why are we still dependant on radar, radio, video, and sattellite technology rather than having our trusty remote viewers do the job? What about Forensics, and the Judicial system? Why don't we just have remote viewers decribe the suspect with accurate precision, instead of depending on forensic science, and good police work? And why do we still have juries? Could it be that the human mind is not dependable, or are we just blind?



Maybe your right, but remember would it be preposterous to believe that your Fate is predetermined. How do you know that we haven't already made all the choices, maybe we just need to understand them. So to say, you have already made the choice whether you know it or not, all you have to do is understand why you made the choice. How do you know there is a future, when there is no tommorrow? What is tommorrow? What about the constant flux? Tommorrow only exists in the mind, it is a plan to keep things in order from becoming chaotic, but what if you have no plan what if you act on impulse, like a psychopath for instance, they only live in the present, the now, the instinct, the impulse, the animal within. What about an extremist, do they plan? Maybe, Sometimes, otherwise you might say they live on the edge, the now, the present, the live life for the moment, because you simply never know when your time is up. So again let me ask you what is the future? What is the past, when you die will you remember the past, is death or the afterlife the end of the past, or did it ever exist to begin with.



I agree the only thing we can control is ourselves, but wait Im starting to look at the big picture. How about sexual behavior, how about mental illness, and what about instinct are we now in control of ourselves? You might say yes, but then let me ask you why do Manic Depressants, Klepto Maniacs, and Schizophrenics need Psychoactive medications to keep them under control. Without the medicene they have no control over there actions, and what about an autistic child? So let me ask you again are we in control of ourselves? You again could say well we take medication to stay in control, but then I would say what if we ran out of medicene completely, How would we stay in control of ourselves? Faith? Prophecy? Morals? God? Freewill? Fate? Therapy?



Whos to say his idea of reality is not his truth, to deny him this possibilty would also deny your truth which would make your reality impossible as well. How do you know one will atone for his or her deeds? Through Faith? Wrath? Prophecy? The Mind? Again you said this yourself you make your own decisions which follow down a path. But which path is it? The Popes? Christians? Buddhist? Wiccans? Atheist? Satanist? Scientists? Philosophers? Sure we can say there is a painting (The Universe), and there is a painter (God), so lets asks who is the Mother, the Father, the Grandparents, and the ancestors. You might say God is a spiritual entity, but then I might say How did he get here, why is he here, and why did he paint this picture. You might say because God is all powerful, because God is in control, but then I could say then why are there so many different religions, then you might say because of evil, then I will say then who is in control, and you might say God, or evil, but then I would say then why I am I in disbelief of God and evil, and then I would finish it off by saying because I am in control.
So where does this lead us right back to point A. and point B. Freewill, and Fate....... CONTROL....... What is control? I say it's the ability to make an ass out of you and me. Control is simply an assumption since how no one is in control, and we don't know what control is, we can only assume. Again the truth, control, God, evil, morals, fate, it's all locked deep within the mind. THE TRUTH IS OURSELVES....



You as well would love to believe you view is right. Morals what are they, I wont explain them, because our morals differ from everyone elses morals, no one has the same exact morals, which is what makes us unique. Yes I agree id like to see the world change for the good too, but again others like it how it is, and others want to see the world end, and others want wrath and evil in the world. So lets ask ourselves- is your good, good for me, and is my good, good for you. Does that mean we can't get along and be friends, no it doesn't we can get along respect each others morals, and beliefs and still be friends, while our morals still differ. But does that mean that we will get along and my answer is no, because you never know how the other person will react to the situation. For instance me writing you this post might piss you off, and you getting pissed off might cause me mental anguish, family problems, disfunctions at my job, now this may sound silly to you, but remember don't dismiss this just because it sounds preposterous, it cannot be ruled out as a possibilty. Remember everyone intakes emotions differnently.



This is not about God, lets say that human beings actually prove 100% ( though this is unlikely, and would be upsetting ) without a doubt that God does not exist, and never did. Does that mean that we should just throw away Morality? Hell know!!! We don't just give up because God is not around we have to keep on truckin and trying to make life better. We would have to rely on technology, and our respect for one another to make it through the universe, or else we would be risking, and denying our rights to preservation, and existence. I believe God does indeed exist, and Im entitled to my own opinion, but that doesn't mean Im right.



So if life isn't what he thinks, then what is LIFE explain LIFE in grand, and great details please........... You think you know what snow is? What sand is? What if I lived in a completely different world named LaLaLand, and I created the universe which you think you live in, and I decided to unplugg you, and showed you that snow is really sand, and sand is really snow, would you deny what I would be showing you is snow, and sand? Would you be in disbelief, how would you tell. What if I sent you back to your world, and snow was sand and sand was snow?

Snow was on the beach, and sand fell from the sky. How would you know the difference if I erased all your memories and implanted yours with new ones, what if you were only a program I created. What if instead of giving you some snow, that instead I gave you the sight, smells, tastes, hearing, touching, ESP's, and emotions of snow. Could you tell the difference from your former self, and your new self, if you were born into your world as snow, and then I unplugged you again and gave you your original 5 senses which reality would be real? Does it matter? What if your very existence is the only thing that matters.


Which brings us back to question 1. What is the absoulte truth? Does it exist, do we create our own truths, or does someone or something else beyond our control create them for us? Which finally brings us back to question number 2. Are we in control, or are we just puppets of God, Gods, The Nature of the Universe, or plain and simply OTHER MEN.

Think about it.............

TNO

They had many predictions, and here was one of them:
--Great Birds will come from the sky and end a great city to the north at 9/11/01.
Fact: 2 airplanes(birds) struck the twin towers of NewYork(great city), a city to the north

That one at leaste is a nostradarmus prediction..... me thinks he may have coppied

firstly, Jesus did not make it to 20th century. that shows, that he could not predict
his own destiny.

and, what is his business in predicting what people should do and live; or sour
grape maybe.

Maybe they knew their own fate and were willing to except it so that others could evolve and begin a new. When one species dyes a new one evolve.

It is possible they are not as stupid as you believe.

Why couldn't the Mayan Calender just end in 2012 because they didn't feel like going further?

The Mayan Calendar ends in 2012 simply because it's cyclical and therefore has to end sometime! If it started 100 years later it'd end in 2112 (and Rush fans all know what happens then )

The real question is why did the Mayan calendar start in 3114BC?

Great Birds will come from the sky and end a great city to the north at 9/11/01.
Fact: 2 airplanes(birds) struck the twin towers of NewYork(great city), a city to the north.

The key word here is end. The great birds will come and "end" a great city to the north....Last time I checked NY was still standing.
Predictions can be made to fit whatever we want them too.

Predictions can also be invented - neither Nostrodamus nor any other 'prophet' has ever predicted anything of the sort

A true prophecy is one which can be interpreted before the event......

Like prophesising next weeks lottery results.
It doesn't work
i've tried

well... it ended a lot of peoples lives, and not only those who died in it... plus it ended the NYC that we know.. it's changed into somethign else

This thread has been going on a long time!!!! I'm new here----'cuse any screw-ups I make.....

welcome to the forum rue
you french ?

Please understand I was not being disrespectful at all!!! I know a lot of people lost their lives and I know the tragedy touched us all, however NY did not end, sure it changed, how could it not, but what happened on 9/11 had nothing to do with a Mayan prediction... It was a result of hate,and those types of events have happened countless times all over the world to other people too. Were there mayan predictions for those events to or were those events not important enough to be included???

no, sorry.... I'm good ole USDA prime stock!!! Don't hold it against me okay!!!lol

LOL! Don't worry Rue - could be worse. You could think you're a silly ol' Sumerian god

Seriously though, I don't think there were any legitimate predictions of the terrorist attacks on NY. Nor any other terrorist attacks.

Sumerian God ?
ahem excuse me
check your facts essan before you go blaspheming
I'm not that old

I'm not impressed by your smilie apology.
You are dealing with the chief god of old babylon here you know
Sumeria was that place that was here earlier.
I see you have your own consulting business now
http://www.essanconsulting.com/
when did you move to minnesota

Why worry about the End Of The World, When it happens life will being a new.
But when it happens i hope for my children's sake that we will not make the same misakes and that we have learned from the old ones.

i wonder wot ppl will say when 2012 cums here and we will still b here standing....

I remember when I was in school as a child, everyone was convinced that that day was going to be the end of the world. I don't remember but it had to do with some prediction someplace. Half of my class was praying. I spent most the day laughing at first and by the end of the day I was rolling my eyes. I think I ended up ditching school to avoid the dramatic "Oh no!! We are all going to die today! I wonder when it will happen?".

End of the world predictions and theories are all over the place. We are the human race and we are filled with the spirit of Dooms Day. I don't care if the world ends in 2015. I live for today and the experiences I have now.

(Edited because I forgot to run spell check)

when i was at school the one thing i hoped about the end of the world was that it would happen the night before my exams

When I was at school I wanted to be the one to press the button and cause the end of the world

lol
annihilist

ah but hes got a point tho.
most mad scientist and 'take over the world' evildoers dream as well.

Of course you'll be able to tell me the names of any mad scientists and 'take over the world' evildoers. Cos off hand I can't think of a single one

im thinking more about tacky games, films, cartoons etc...

you mean him ?

exactomundo dude.

thats Dr dude.
he didn't spend 6 years at evil medical school for nothing

wot about his 'faja'?

you mean nigel of course

As was previouly stated, 2012 was not fortold as the end of the world, but simply the end of one cycle and the begining of another.

Another point to take into account is 2012 is wrong and I will tell you why. The myians started their calender at 0. The calendar we use was started at 1 ( this is why the new melliam started at 2001 and not 2000 as many people thought.

Yeah but apparently the calender we use is based on the birth of christ who was actually born in 5bce. allegedly
So that means the millenium was actually 1996.
or is it 1995

wots the rite calendar then?
its not the western ones i presume.

Depends, if you're using the homo sapiens calender it is presently 240,000 ad

wheres this then?
or are u pulling my leg?

(P.s i complimented u in the compliments thread in general disscussion. )

lol i don't think i've ever been big up respected before, at least not by a man anyway.
hehehe
cheers buddy.
Homo sapiens as a species has been around approx 240,000 years.

o.k.
(tho i doubt ur wife b happy if u got bigged up by a nice female eh? )
hmmm i thought homo sapiens were around for at least 500,000 years?

Think again
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/species.html
i think you're confusing homo sapiens with Homo heidelbergensis
we are actually homo sapiens sapiens, whereas heidelbergensis is actually homo sapiens (archaic)

All i have to say is that the Terra won't end in 2012 but it will be in a war along with the rest Enterra(Milky Way) against a common enemy.

LOL i was just about to ask that....wat do the little blocks mean..like i mean...wat are they there for..do they allow u to do stuff to a certain extent?!...im soo confused...im still an embryo
thanks
Afrogirl

every time you complete a block you go up a rank
to complete a block you have to do a certain amount of posts
ask burnside for details

the mayan is not the only culture throughout history to prophecise the 2012 date. hawaiian, egyptian, etc. to the pole shift theory.

The mayans believed that the world had already ended 4 or 5 times before, and each time 2 humans had survived... Some people also say that they could not be bothered continuing their calendar past 2012.

thats crap,

sorry