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Hotoke
QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Dec 4 2004, 08:50 PM)
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Dec 2 2004, 05:36 AM)
QUOTE(noilluminati @ Dec 2 2004, 04:40 AM)
THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI. THERE NEVER WAS. THERE NEVER WILL BE. IF ALL OF YOU WERE TO SPEND YOUR FREE TIME ON OTHER THINGS LIKE STUDYING OR GETTING GIRLFRIENDS MAYBE YOU WOULD ALL HAVE LIFES. I HAVE A LIFE. IM NOT A ILLUMINATI DUDE AND NONE OF YOU ARE EITHER. WHEN I SAY STOP THINKING ABOUT IT I MEAN ITS NOT REAL SO STOP WASTING YOU TIME. IM NOT TRYING TO TRICK YOU. IM TRYING TO HELP ALL OF YOU. BESIDES IF THERE WAS AN ILLUMINATI, WHICH IM NOT SAY THAT THERE IS, IF THERE WAS ONE WHY WOULD IT MATTER. THE WORLD ISNT ANY DIFFEENT THAN IT WAS 1000 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE ARE DIEING, SOME PEOPLE HAVE MONEY, AND OTHERS DONT. ITS BECAUSE OF GAMES LIKE DUES EX (WHICH IS A PREETY COOL GAME BESIDES ITS HISTORICAL INACURACIES0 THAT GOOD PEOPLE LIKE ALL OF YOU GET TURNED INTO PARANOID FREAKS. DONT WASTE YOUR LIFES. ITS NOT WORTH IT.
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QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Dec 2 2004, 05:40 AM)
Lol, you may think its false, but thats your belief rolleyes.gif . I don't believe in it to, but then again, the Mayan Year was off .0002 days.

Its not my decision, but yours to wether believe in the Mayans or not. But I just want to present this information, true or false, and see what people have to say. There was no real evidence that this was true, but on written hyroglyphs...

...neither do you have evidence that its false tongue.gif .

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Dec 1 2004, 12:45 PM)
all those 'facts' you posted are false
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Could be...
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there is proof that what you say is false. no archeologist ever claimed that 2 birds would attack a great city and you probably read about it on the net. ask a archeologist about what the mayans predicted and stuf they know about it. no archeologist ever said that the world is going to end in 2012. ask around
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Yah let's only believe archeologists... they also said no humans were alive when dinosaurs were but what about Adam Eve Cain Abel....
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you have proof for eve and adam to ever exist? we have proof that dinosaurs were older then man and man never walked with dino's. all your fairy tale characters never existed. i'd rather believe in facts then fiction
ABOTU
Sorry thaat you aren't religious... listen I've seen tons on the bible they found real stuff about it I swear...
koenig212003
Well, well you seem to have something against archaeologists. I AM an archaeologist and don't appreciate your simple-minded science bashing. Ok if you've seen all this "real stuff' that proves all the fairytales in the bible then please enlighten me. I'd love to see your proof.




QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Dec 4 2004, 11:01 AM)
Sorry thaat you aren't religious... listen I've seen tons on the bible they found real stuff about it I swear...
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_hAiLO_
I feel the heat of debate going on and i'm not likeing it...

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Well, well you seem to have something against archaeologists.

There was nothing held against you or any archeologist. Its just that insulting the Biblical Stories as fiction really upsets all Christians, Jews and Muslims alike because all their holy books are in belief of the same God.

Now I know many skeptics want proof from the statements from believers, but sometimes proof is not available...

...if proof is not available, you can conclude it as a fraud, but truely would still be unexplained because there is still the chance that it is true. If a skeptic wanted the proof, he can research the topic himself.
koenig212003
I was referring to what was written in post # 49 by A Believer of the Unexplained: "Yah let's only believe archeologists... they also said no humans were alive when dinosaurs were but what about Adam Eve Cain Abel.... "

She clearly WAS "holding something" against archaeologists. And let me clear something up for everybody-archaeologists and anthropologists don't study dinosaurs. That is called paleontology. We (archaeologists/anthropologists) study things that have to do with humans and their ancestors. Asking an archaeologist/anthropologist about dinosaurs is like asking a veterinarian to do brain surgery on a person. They're quite different. Anyway, if dinosaurs and humans did live together then there would really be no need for a difference but they clearly DID NOT! Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and Homo sapiens only came about ~200,000-100,000 y.b.p. so there you have it. And by the way I'm not in any way saying that there is no God or anything like that. I'm simply pointing out the problems with taking every word of the bible so damn literally.
TheQueenGalaxy
No Illuminati? Really? Are you trying to dissuade the masses?
koenig212003
QUOTE(TheQueenGalaxy @ Dec 4 2004, 09:43 PM)
No Illuminati?  Really?  Are you trying to dissuade the masses?
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Um..to which post are you referring Queen Galaxy? We're not really discussing the illuminati here. That is in another post.
squweekie
Hey, Hailo - Just food for thought, but it appears that scientific researchers today are looking at the Black Sea in respect to the "great flood" of Noah's time.

The Great Flood - PBS Channel - Discoveries from recent commercial deep sea diving in the Black Sea are showing more and more proof that the Black Sea was formed from the flood of Noah’s time around 5600BC..

Their thoughts are that there was a slight degree of global warming that melted many glaciers, which in turn flowed down and through the Bosphorus. The waters were great and formed what is the Black Sea today. Many artifacts have been discovered putting multitudes of people on that land where the sea is today. You need to remember that the people of that day did not recognize the existence of other continents. To them, the world was simply the land they stood on and another definition of the world means "the one we live in today". Words can be tricky so you must look at the oldest definitions when reading about things of old. Even then you won't be 100% accurate due to the many languages that made changes through the meaning of "their words" through the years. The story of the great flood actually goes back long before Moses told of it. The story began 700 years before Abraham was born. Have you ever read Gilgamesh or the Enuma Elish. If you like what happened to the Myans you would love reading Gilgamesh.
squweekie
Why do so many misconstrue "the end times" with "the end of the world". The end times are suppose to mean the end of the world "as we know it" and not the end of the world. This has happened before in the past and immediately following you find an increase in literature and knowledge as you did in Greece, multitudes of other nations and in particular the Renaissance Period. The grocery store rags and the "rapture churches" started that stuff. Furthermore, there are "end times" and there will be an "end time". The "end time" is what should interest you most but the world will still not come to an end.
squweekie
QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 1 2004, 06:46 PM)
If you are going to reference the Bible, at least get it right. God said that he will never again destroy the world with a flood, like he did long ago.
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He's not, that's why we have multitudes of Scientists looking at the Global Warming problem and the unusual amount of glaciers that are melting today.
Florida Panther
[attachmentid=9133]Modern astronomy tells us that the year 2012, December 21, will be the end of a 26000 year processional cycle and that will be the first time certain celestial bodies will have occurred exactly as before within an eight-year period.

There are, in fact, many other differences concerning December 21, 2012, than any other point in human history. A lengthy explanation from multiple ancient cultures and modern science can be found at http://onealclan0.tripod.com/end-times.htm

Photo of Mayan temple by this writer, taken at Chechen Itza.
Florida Panther
Pardon me. That link was http://onealclan0.tripod.com/end_times.htm.
FreyKade
i always thought 2012 was the end of the current human era, and after that the world would be different not the end of the world, or the end of mankind...as for the world itself ending...it is to my knowledge, that it is inevitable that the world will end...one day...when the sun expands to engulf the planet
arwenpotter
dunno whether this has been mentioned or whether anyone will care but... a friend showed me a cropcircle (hes fasicnated by them) of a symbol which he said was the mayan symbol for the end of the world or somethign.. ill attach it to this for the hell of it. and yer.. im done.. but mayans and basically any other civilisation fascinate me grin2.gif

just to comment on teh end of the world thingy... has anyone noticed the bizzare weather around the globe lately? its been raining here in act for 9 days not all teh time but a thunder storm will creep up on you all of a sudden and begin to pour and thats incredibly unusual.. not just becoz its the middle of SUMMER! and yer i had other friends around the world who told me it'd beenr ainig at the same times too wacko.gif
btw in the 3rd thunder storm today the objects in our house shook wacko.gif wacko.gif
Maekrix
QUOTE(Athenian @ Dec 1 2004, 11:37 AM)
When will you people realize it is a good ending and not a bad one...?  rolleyes.gif
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Well that depends what you believe in. Is it not supposed that the true believers in god rise up and the others, who are not true to god, are destroyed with the world? I happen to be a non-believer....

As for the end of the world- doubt it. no.. wait.. HIGHLY doubt it... lol wink2.gif
Mysteryman
This really scared me also based on the facts from these sites I have found...Honestly - I hope they just didn't (as in Mayans) have enough time to finish it and meant to finish the calendar at 2080 when I don't exist...

http://www.piney.com/Enuma.html

http://www.experiencefestival.com/mayan_predictions
aquatus1
Don't be scared of creation stories and predictions. They aren't the same as facts, and the only quality they share with each other is that not a single one has ever been shown to be true.
Mysteryman
True, but the fact that the Mayans would know that the world would still continue in the 2000's is scary, and the fact that they even went to 2012 is pretty scary, no?
aquatus1
Not really. They had to stop somewhere. My computer calender goes into the year 8000.
Mysteryman
Haha, wow - thats a lot of memory to record each day, each month, for another 5,996 years...
aquatus1
Another thing to take into consideration is that 2012 may well not be a random number to the Mayans. Our calendar has been remodified several times, due to our imperfect understanding of the physics and math involved. Time has been literally reset so that we would catch up to were we should be. The Mayans, quite obviously, did not have the same calendar that we do, so (I have done no research on this; this is simply an exercise in logic) any date would, by necessity be one translated into our own. In other words, our year 2012 may be the mayan year 4000 (again, just a number out of the air), which would be a nice round number to end the calendar on and recycle it.
Mysteryman
Your definitly right and I understand...Is there anyway scientists can compare the Mayan calendar to ours. For example, the year 2004, could scientists use information found to tell what year that is in Mayan calendar...
aquatus1
I would imagine so. We have fairly good records concerning Mayan mathematics. Heck, look around the net; you might well find a Mayan to modern date conversion calculator.
Mysteryman
I'll check it out...Maybe I'll find a site where a year from our calendar could be put in and the Mayan year would be given and/or opposite way? No? But I'll check it out...

But what would I search for or what topic would I put down under google?
Frosty
QUOTE(Mysteryman @ Dec 13 2004, 09:50 PM)
True, but the fact that the Mayans would know that the world would still continue in the 2000's is scary, and the fact that they even went to 2012 is pretty scary, no?
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What evidence was there to support that life would cease before 2000?
Mysteryman
Don't really understand what your saying...Do you mean what evidence is their that the Mayans just made it up and didn't really know whether or not Earth was going to exist until then and that they just went that far in case their village and people (Mayans) would use it if they existed for that long? Rephrase please...
xxsunshinegodxx
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For those of you who may not know the story: In 1971, the McKenna brothers went down to a remote part of the Amazon jungle to investigate rumours that the shamans performed magic using a "violet psychofluid" - a kind of ectoplasm which pours from all orifices and the skin, following ingestion of a hallucinogenic brew called  ayahuasca (only visible to others who've taken the brew). They ended up taking a different combination of sacred plants, but which contained the same active ingredients as ayahuasca - dimethyltryptamine, and harmine (a beta-carboline) - both of which are closely related to the natural secretions of the pineal gland (especially in advanced meditators).
 
After a shared hallucinatory episode, the brothers returned to the USA to develop the insights they had in the Amazon. They were convinced that the ancient Chinese oracle - the I Ching, or Book of Changes - worked because it was a mathematically coded form of the time wave system that underlies change in the universe. The I Ching is a group of 64 six-line structures called hexagrams, which show all combinations of Yin and Yang (like + and - ). Another researcher - Martin Schonberger, in 1973, found an exact correspondence between the 64 hexagrams and the 64 codons in our DNA, at the same time as the brothers worked on advanced neurochemical theories to explain how the chemistry system worked, by which they had accessed knowledge stored in their nuclear DNA.
 
Eventually, they found a complex fractal wave, where each level is 64 times greater than the one below, consisting of 26 levels, which describes all change in the universe, from sub-atomic event durations, up to a universe-length time-span. When they analysed the peaks and troughs of history, and lined up the Timewave over the wave of history, they found that the end of the wave, when all the sub-waves peak together, will be in the year 2012 !! At the time they discovered this, THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE MAYAN CALENDAR, or that the Long Count ends in 2012. The Invisible Landscape was published in 1975, and knowledge of the Mayan calendar did not become widespread until 1987, when Jose Arguelles published The Mayan Factor. Having heard about this later, the McKennas published a new version of the Invisible Landscape in 1993, in which the Timewave was refined to end on the winter solstice, along with the Long Count.
 
The Timewave ("Timewave Zero") was criticized by a mathematician called Watkins, and then checked and corrected by a nuclear physicist called John Sheliak, so that the new "Timewave One" fitted history even better (see Hyperborea  for more details).
 
More recently, it has been discovered that the Mayan shamans actually used the same mushroom which the McKennas took, leading to knowledge of 2012 in both cases.
 
The end of the wave shows "ingression of novelty into spacetime" or change, accelerating to incredible levels. To paraphrase Robert Anton Wilson's summary; the last 384-day cycle contains more transformations than in all previous cycles - below that is a 6-day cycle, when things accelerate even faster, and in the last 135 minutes, 18 barriers comparable with the appearance of life, or the invention of language, will be crossed - 13 of these will occur in the last second.
 
At this point, since McKenna had demonstrated that the I Ching was once actually used as a calendar, I began to wonder if there were any other ancient calendrical systems, or knowledge systems which also encoded the knowledge, and began writing reams of notes, which developed into essays - (must be careful this doesn't become one!) Megalithic sites were used for calendrical purposes, and several, such as Newgrange in Ireland, are aligned to the winter solstice sunrise....then there's the Tarot, from which we get our 4x13=52 packs of playing cards (4 seasons of 13 weeks = a 52-week year) - some say it has Egyptian origins - could that have encoded 2012 too?


I am actually off to Peru in January on an expedition with a friend and colleague. I have been interested in this subject for many, many years! All of this kind of makes sense to me.

If you look back through history there really are lots of different civilisations that point to around this time with similar stories....

If you want to check out that full website then here it is...
Mysteryman
How are dates -

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read off this is what I dont understand and find astonishing...
xxsunshinegodxx
The Maya understood 17 different Calendars based on the Cosmos. Some of these calendars go back as far as ten million years and are so difficult that you would need an astronomer, astrologer, geologist, and a mathematician just to work out the calculations. Lucky for us we only need to work with three of these calendars. The calendars that are most important to beings of earth are the Haab, the Tun-Uc and the Tzolk'in. The Tzolk'in is the most important and the one with the most influence.

The Haab is based in the cycles of earth. It has 360 + 5 days, totaling 365 days. The Haab uses 18 months with 20 days in each month. There is a 19th month called a Vayeb and uses the 5 extra days. Each month has it's own name/glyph. Each day uses a sacred sun/glyph.

The Tun-Uc is the moon calendar. It uses 28 day cycles that mirrors the women's moon cycle. This cycle of the moon is broken down into 4 smaller cycles, of 7 day each. These smaller cycles are the four phases of moon cycle. Portal days (p), on the calendar provided marks days using mathematics of 28 and their fore have a connection with the moon cycles.

The Tzolk'in is the Sacred calendar of the Maya and is based on the cycles of the Pleiadies. The cycle of the Pleiadies uses 26,000 years, but is reflected in the calendar we are using by encompassing 260 days. It uses the sacred numbers 13 and 20. The 13 represents the numbers and 20 represents the sun/glyphs. The Tzolk'in has four smaller cycles called seasons of 65 days each guarded by the four suns of Chicchan, Oc, Men and Ahau. There are also Portal days within the Tzolkin that create a double helix pattern using 52 days and the mathematics of 28. This sacred calendar is still being used for divination by the traditional Maya all over the Yucatan, Guatemala, and Belize, and Honduras.

The Tzolkin calendar was meshed with a 365-day solar cycle called the "Haab". The calendar consisted of 18 months with 20 days (numbered 0-19) and a short "month" of only 5 days that was called the Wayeb and was considered to be a dangerous time. It took 52 years for the Tzolkin and Haab calendars to move through a complete cycle.

These are the Mayan words for periods of time: Day = Kin (keen)
Month of 20 days = Uinal (wee nal)
Year of 360 days = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns = K'atun (k' ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)

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During their stay on Earth the Cosmic Maya carried the burden of time. Cosmicly aware of the cycles of time, they were bound, as we are, by walking through time in a linear fashion. They were aware that beings of Earth had lost the natural ability to ride the cycles of time/light/energy, to time travel. It is also known by the Cosmic Maya that this present linear fashion of time will transform into multidimensionality, and will not be limited to linear time on Earth much longer.

A notable date is 9-9-2-4-8 or July 29, 615 AD when the great King of Palenque, Lord Pakal ascended to the throne.

These dates are carved in stone throughout the Mayan territory, and the numbers can be seen by anyone. Using a vestigial system (they counted all the fingers and toes) and only three characters (we use ten) the Maya could string together very large numbers, these were read from the bottom up. So Pakal ascended on 9-9-2-4-8, that would read:

9 baktuns - 3600 years
9 katuns - 180 years
2 tuns - 730 days
4 uinals - 80 days
8 kin - 8 days

These numbers, if we begin at August 13, 3114 BC, will give us a date in the 7th century that corresponds to the date Pakal took the throne in Palenque.
malakiem
QUOTE(Athenian @ Dec 1 2004, 11:37 AM)
When will you people realize it is a good ending and not a bad one...?  rolleyes.gif
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That's easy, when 2012 comes and goes, and nothing happens. You know the saying, i won't believe it till i see it, or i'll believe it till someone disproves me. Lol everyone has platinum blonde hair and animals and toys attack you hahahaha grin2.gif
STIX
I just wanted to say that the myan calender does not count days it is a precise "clock" or solar calender that predicts the movement of the sun through the milky way. on dec 23 2012 the sun will be exactly in line with a dark spot which you can see in the visible arm of the milky way. this dark spot is thought to be gasses blocking the light, Im not sure if anyone really knows what it is. According to their religion the milkyway "arm" we can see is the mother of creation and the dark spot is her woom, the sun is the father of creation and when the father enters the mothers woom the great cycle (32 000 years or something) will be complete and the world will be re-born with a new god as its master.
Q-La
Can an technologically (or astronomically) advanced race be supertitious at the same time ? Yes.

Mayan good astronmoers? Yes.

Source of preditions? Unsure.

Even if there were dated predictions, can it be proven to be true as pre-cognitive? Probably not .

If a terrorist had referred to the material, would s/he try to actually plan making 'big birds' to crash on 'city in the north' to increase the chance of suceess?
If yes, these material are dangerous as 1) they inspire criminal and are 2) groundwork laid by somthing possibly evil.
Sanidia Vortez


i doubt that the world will end by then, but thay it upto you if you think that. but why worry about it at all we all have to die at sometime unless your immortal can you be ? anyways if it is live your last days to the full


i think that is how the saying goes huh.gif
cerberusxp
QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Dec 1 2004, 06:10 AM)
Hey, i'm gonna talk about the Mayan Predictions here and how accurate they were. The Mayan were an ancient native civilization in modern day South Mexico, Belize, and Nicarugua, somewhere in the Yucatan Peninsula. They were an awesome civilization that were very devoted to astrology.
user posted image(give you a sense of Maya grin2.gif )

They've built pyramids. Some of the pyramids have been known to be Mayan Calenders and have 365 steps. The Pyramids are postioned as exact so that the Maya were able to know precisly when the Winter Equinox would start and when it would end known as the Spring Equinox through the shadow of the pyramids, therefore marking the lonest/shortest day in the year.
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The Mayan year was more accurate and unique. Their calender consisted of a 260-day religous calender, twenty 30-day months with a seperate 5 days at the end. The precise calenders were based upon careful observation of the planets, sun, and moon. For example, the Mayan atronomers calculated that a year contained 365.2420 days. Scientists now know that the Mayan year was .0002 of a day too short! -'World History: Perspectives on the Past'

They have also predicted when the moon will rise and set and when it will be full moon. Scientists have known the precise moonrises and sets throught-out the modern day. When they studied the Mayan records of when the moonrise and moonsets would occure, scientists figured that the Mayan were 33 seconds off the actual time!!

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QUOTE(McDougal Littel"World History: Perspectives on the Past" @  Fifth Edition)
The Maya worshiped a number of gods. For example, they believed that each day was a living god whose behavior could be predicted with the help of an intricate system of calendars. Their 260-day religious calendar consisted of twenty 13-day months. A second 365-day calendar consisted of eighteen 20-day months, with a separate period of 5 days at the end. The two calendars were linked together like meshed gears so that any given day could be identified in both cycles. The Maya used their calendars to help determine the best times to plant crops, attack enemies, or crown new rulers.


The Maya predicted these using their calender, usually a set of gears.
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They had many predictions, and here was one of them:
--Great Birds will come from the sky and end a great city to the north at 9/11/01.
Fact: 2 airplanes(birds) struck the twin towers of NewYork(great city), a city to the north.
user posted image"Great Birds from the sky..."

Heres another one:
--The End of the World will be marked at Sunday December 23, 2012.
Fact: There have been stories in the bible about the 40-day flood that ended the world, stories that the world ended and humans would rise again. You think this will happen in 2012?

----lol, I learned most of this from my history class and a movie that was completely made by scientists and very modern looking, and no its not propaganda. So what do you think? Will the world end in 2012? New York sure was struck in 2001 by giant birds. What are the chances of the world ending?

(sorry if it was too long)
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OK well if that is what is supposed to happen then the 7 yr's of tribulation begins this year 2005 nostrodomus said the last war would begin in the third month of the year of the comet? when he wrote this the first month was april but look for either march or june for war to start then a bollide is supposed to hit the earth in a few monthes after war starts!
lacerate
jesus suffered for us before i highly doubt when its our time he will make us go through a gruesome slow death,, maybe just end peoples lives when they are in sleep original.gif
_hAiLO_
Good to see my thread back to life laugh.gif .

burch1, what do you mean by 'Year of the Comet'?
justcauseinaz
QUOTE(Athenian @ Dec 1 2004, 04:22 PM)
QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Dec 1 2004, 04:16 PM)
from what i hear the mayan calender isent really a calender at all just a stone with writeing on it
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From what I hear the modern calendar isn't really a calendar at all it is just a booklet made from paper filled with nice pictures, a bunch of numbers, and writing. rolleyes.gif
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And hott girls in bikinis if you get the right one..............
cuautemoc
hey thats pretty cool, i have read and heard about this before, dont feel bad about nagative comments, i get that alot of that when i talk about these things.
ABOTU
QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Dec 1 2004, 08:20 AM)
Hehe, thanks for your opinion or facts aquatus, i'll take that in account grin2.gif . But I want to know what other people think.

I got some links though, thought it might interest you...

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

They are either true or false, its your belief of the Mayans.
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Any more links? I'm trying to find a good one to show my friends. Only one of my friends understands. We already have it all planned out grin2.gif
liquidmetal
firstly, the mayans did not make it to 2012. that shows, they could not predict
their own destiny and they could not have known of what hit them.

and, what is their business in predicting about the end of the world; or sour
grape maybe.

so, what is this Mayan prediction thing got to do with two giant birds hitting on sept 11 or 911 in new york ?

you, think that the world is about you americans; do you ?
cuautemoc
QUOTE(liquidmetal @ Jan 24 2005, 10:11 AM)
firstly, the mayans did not make it to 2012. that shows, they could not predict
their own destiny and they could not have known of what hit them.

and, what is their business in predicting about the end of the world; or sour
grape maybe.

so, what is this Mayan prediction thing got to do with two giant birds hitting on sept  11 or 911 in new york ?

you, think that the world is about you americans; do you ?
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YOURE SPEAKING ENGLISH... NO?
Loge
QUOTE(cuautemoc @ Jan 24 2005, 12:18 PM)
QUOTE(liquidmetal @ Jan 24 2005, 10:11 AM)
firstly, the mayans did not make it to 2012. that shows, they could not predict
their own destiny and they could not have known of what hit them.

and, what is their business in predicting about the end of the world; or sour
grape maybe.

so, what is this Mayan prediction thing got to do with two giant birds hitting on sept  11 or 911 in new york ?

you, think that the world is about you americans; do you ?
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YOURE SPEAKING ENGLISH... NO?
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Wikipedia:

"The United States is (at the time of writing) the home of approximately 336 languages (spoken or signed) of which 176 are indigeous to the area. 52 languages formerly spoken in the US territory are now extinct (Grimes 2000).


"The United States does not have an official language; nevertheless, English is the language used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings, and all other official pronouncements. In some states, English, Hawaiian and Spanish are official. In 2000, the census bureau printed the standard census questionnaires in six languages: English, Spanish, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Tagalog. The English-Only movement seeks to establish English as the only official language of the nation.


"English was inherited from British colonization and it is spoken by the vast majority of the population. It serves as the de facto language: the language in which government business is carried out. According to the 1990 census, 97 per cent of U.S. residents speak English "well" or "very well". Only 0.8 per cent speak no English at all, as compared with 3.6 per cent in 1890. American English has some differences from British English, but these differences are fairly minor. For detailed differences in British English and American English see American and British English differences.


"The Spanish language is the second-most common language in the country, spoken by about 28.1 million people (or 10.7% of the population) in 2000. The United States is the fifth country in the world in Spanish-speaking population, outnumbered only by Mexico, Spain, Argentina, and Colombia. Although many Latin American immigrants have various levels of English-proficiency, Hispanics who are second-generation American in the United States almost all speak English, but only about 50 per cent speak Spanish. The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is predominantly Spanish-speaking. For a detailed history of Spanish in the U.S. from 15th century on, see Spanish in the United States.


"Spanglish is a pidgin of Spanish and English and is spoken in areas with large semi-bilingual populations of Spanish and English speakers, such as along the U.S. - Mexico border (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California), Florida, and New York City.


"The U.S. has long been the destination of many immigrants. From the mid 19th century on, the nation had large numbers of residents who spoke little or no English, and throughout the country there have been towns and neighborhoods of cities where business, schools, and newspapers were in languages such as German, Italian, Czech, Polish, Chinese, Yiddish, etc. Currently, Asian languages account for the majority of languages spoken in immigrant communities: Korean, various Chinese dialects, Vietnamese, and Tagalog. Historically, the original languages of immigrants tend to disappear or become greatly reduced through assimilation and generational change.


"Before World War I, more than 6 per cent of American schoolchildren received their primary education exclusively in German. Currently, although more than 45 million Americans claim German ancestors, only 1.5 million speak the language. The Amish speak a dialect of German known as Pennsylvania Dutch. There is a myth that German was to be the official language of the U.S., but this is inaccurate, and based on a failed early attempt to have government documents translated into German. [1] See also: Texas German, Pennsylvania Dutchified English


"Creole and Cajun, a variant of French, are spoken in some parts of Louisiana (part of a former French colony). There are French Canadian settlers in parts of northern New England, as well, and a sizable francophone Haitian community in Miami. More than 13 million Americans claim French ancestry, but only 1.5 million speak that language.


The Native American languages predate European settlement of the New World, and in parts of the U.S. continue to be spoken. Many of these languages are endangered, despite efforts to revive them. Exceptions to this include Navajo, with over 100,000 native speakers, O'odham, Lakota, and several others. This is however very different in the Southwest (Arizona and New Mexico) where there are dozens of thriving Native American languages and hardly any endangered.


"Hawaiian is an official language of the state of Hawaii, but has been largely displaced by English and was until recently a critically endangered language. Hawaiians often also use Hawaiian English Pidgin to communicate.


"Some African-American activists insist that Ebonics, also known as African-American Vernacular English, the dialect of English spoken in many African-American sections of American urban areas, is not simply a dialect, but an entirely different language, and are urging that their language be accepted as an equal to American English. However, the validity of this claim is a matter of some debate, and the claim is rejected by most linguists.


"Gullah, an English-African creole is spoken on the Sea Islands of South Carolina and Georgia.


"American Sign Language (ASL) is the language used by many deaf people in America. Unlike Signed English, ASL is a natural language in its own right, not a symbolic representation of English. The U.S. Census Bureau did not gather data on ASL when compiling the list of "primary language at home" shown above, but estimates of the number of ASL users would place its ranking anywhere from 3rd to 10th in the list. There are at least two other important sign languages used in the United States: Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and Hawaii Pidgin Sign Language."
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spyro_86
The mayans or was it the aztecs kept for seeing the world ending in 2000, 2003,2006,2009,2012. Every 3 years from 2000 on. Maybe there talking about Bush. You can't pay much attention to those ancient predictions, they were written in such a way that one thing could mean hundreds of things depending on how you interpret it.
_hAiLO_
QUOTE(liquidmetal @ Jan 24 2005, 09:11 AM)
firstly, the mayans did not make it to 2012. that shows, they could not predict
their own destiny and they could not have known of what hit them.

and, what is their business in predicting about the end of the world; or sour
grape maybe.

so, what is this Mayan prediction thing got to do with two giant birds hitting on sept  11 or 911 in new york ?

you, think that the world is about you americans; do you ?
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No, the Mayans possibly predicted the 9/11 attacks, and it happened. What are the chances of their prediction of the worlds end in 2012?
mr.toad
Hey,
It was Nostradamus who made the "birds" prediction.
See link below.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historica...stradamus_2.htm

Nostradamus was not a Mayan, dude.
Emcee
I heard in class that on a certain day of the year, that the sun will cast a down on one of the pyramids, and on the edge, the shadow will make a zig-zag shape, connecting a sculpture of the head of a snake, that is at the bottom (or top) of the pyramid, to the tail on the top (or bottom).

I thought that'd be pretty cool to see.
LucidElement
it was acutally Nostrodamus who qoutes "Two birds will crash into two great towers standing over a major city" or something along those lines, not the mayans!
Adramaleck
I'm new here - but I have been viewing the "occult world" laxidazically for a while. I found an interest in atlantis that proved to be consuming. The best but also worst part about it is that atlantis can be made to involve many ancient cultures, the mayans being a primary example, as well as the egyptians.

The mayans were brilliant mathemations, astrologists, and geoists.
They observed many "years" if you will. The next "big year," which is somewhere around 3000 years long (I can't remember exactly how many, i think it's a varient of phi, though) is going to turn in 2012. This does not predict the end of the world - it predicts a new tide of the world. Be it scientific enlightenment, or an apocolypse, something big is suppose to change.

One of the theories about atlantis is that it is now where Antartica is. That the crust of the earth underwent a massive shift. There is evidence for such a pole shift in many locations - in fact many historic sites point "north" toward a hudson bay pole (saying that the north pole was in hudson bay at the time they were created). Also, it would explain why some mammoths were frozen solid with food still in their mouths.

My point is that I believe something big will probably happen, but is pretty useless trying to figure out exactly what it is. No matter what it is, I believe, though, that at the very least some shred of humanity will survive; after all, we are the fittest. I would be most worried about those species less fit than humans. Even if there was a pole shift - we have warm clothes, we have the technology (and if the pole shift was the reality), and the reason to make more. Even then, we have flying machines; we could merely fly to a warmer climate. In any event, I highly doubt an unsurmountable apocolypse would eradicate humanity at this point. Unless, of course, there becomes a huge bounty on the heads of the human race in the universe, but I don't see that happening for a long, long time.
LordBailey
QUOTE(Athenian @ Dec 1 2004, 11:37 AM)
When will you people realize it is a good ending and not a bad one...?  rolleyes.gif
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RIGHT! I agree completely Athenian! thumbsup.gif
riotboy555
QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Dec 1 2004, 01:10 PM)
Their calender consisted of a 260-day religous calender, twenty 30-day months with a seperate 5 days at the end.



QUOTE(McDougal Littel"World History: Perspectives on the Past")
 
Their 260-day religious calendar consisted of twenty 13-day months. A second 365-day calendar consisted of eighteen 20-day months, with a separate period of 5 days at the end.



i'm sorry, but i'm a little confused here. you say their calendar consisted of 30-day months, but your school book says they had 13-day months and 20-day months. which one is it? were they added or something?
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