Hey what do you think they have hidden within the base?

the largest shipment of drugs. ever. no just jking.
while i would like to think of alien things and stuff.....i think its just a testing facility for new planes and ships.
-Marth

Weapons and defensive technology used for the good of the people in the country, but they keep trying to expose this technology so it will fall into the countrys enemies hands and therefore aid to the destruction of the country.

Let it go, it's a secret for YOUR protection!

It is a nice theory but i would like proof so if you find anything out contact me.

The only proof obviously resides within Area 51.

I don't need proof, for my theories lay within common sense. I however would like proof that it isn't what i've said it is.

Do you really think the US Military is as stupid as that? If they had anything they needed to keep away from the public, they would. They have many many secret bases that you or i do not know about to hide anything, why would they use a base that everyone knows about??

Come on.

^Very true. But I like the secret places Canada has. Like that secret place they had for growing marijuana

My basement?

HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT!!!????





Just kidding.

Burnside you make a lot of sense. My family belives that the base is a cover to get everyone consentrating on it when they have an island somewhere that has an underground base on it.

Most likely there are several large underground bases, owned by the US Military, and several not even on US soil.

Antartica comes to mind.

That certaintly is a very big possibility.

its a testing ground for aircrafts

I would say that if they had a Secret base or lots of secrets bases, the best place for them is in teh Rockys.

~Thanato

If it's not a fake coverup base, it's just a government run aeronodical facility, nothing special, just people are stupid.

Area 51 is probably some testign ground for new stuff. WHen i think of area 51, the movie "Core", where they hired a super technoweenie to look for keywords and delete any websites that would get out with information on the stuff. I think that might be it, that so many myths came up with it.

Then again, it also reminds me of "Op-center", where so many complicated levels of securtiy prevented information from getting out.

I presonally think it's nothing special, just dont want spies to know what the U.S. has been cooking up.

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Area 51 may have been moved either to Dulce [UNDER the grounds], New Mexico -- or to even more exotic and convenient locations under and within the Carlsbad Caverns. Perhaps they even reactivated Montauk Point Long Island! (Project Monarch/Montauk).

One can listen to and read from the Conspiracy buffs all they wish -- but there ARE underground facilities scattered throughout this country made ready for the event of a NATURAL or MANMADE disaster -- keeping only the "Big Wigs" safe and us poor slobs vulnerable to whatever happens. They are under the control of FEMA [Like Mount Weather in Virginia - http://www.thule.org/weather.html ].

The areas ABOVE [NORTH OF] Nellis AFB, Nevada are [STILL] mainly UNDERGROUND COMPLEXES that may encompass NINE LEVELS underground. I say this with respect to some people who know some of the Techs working there. My brother almost was employed with EG&G [http://www.egginc.com/ ] (Las Vegas) -- until he found out about how stiff the security was there (S-4). AND for good reason!! The GIST of this complex is simply: REVERSE ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY. You figure the rest!

There are also locations in Utah, Montana and some other places RIGHT UNDER THE NOSES of the general Public! Denver Airport being another (its location was deciding factor).

Forgive me if I refrain from going further with this --

But I seriously DOUBT it is for growing hybrid crops of "Mary Jane"!!!


From the Gryph's Lair

I live in Nevada and Area51 is in Nevada .

I remember one night that people over my city were calling this rap/hip-hop radio station I cheerfully listening to and they were looking at the sky over the mountains in the distance.

They saw some kind of wierd aura-swirly thing and the air-force said in the Monday night football television screen an alert stating it was the air-force testing something...

I didn't see one bit, didn't bother to go outside *whacks head*.

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And.............???

Didnt they supposedly test the "Aurora" there? I bet before long they will be using Iraq as a secret base for testing. If they already arent.

Gryphon 2005, I thought that i read you going into hiding?

....so the aura is from Area51 saying to me its government testing facility...

i think that within are 51's walls there was at one time alien or an alien space craft in there but now i think the US government is using area 51 as a decoy. they have long since moved anything ET to another base that nobody knows even exists.and there going to let the world pay as much attention to area 51 was they want but there still going to have it garded like theres no tomorrow to make it seam like there is still something in there worth hidingand in time when they are good and ready there going to let someone in there to look around and see that there is nothing in there and then the storys and stuff will just die along with area 51 cuz they will have no more use for that base. so are 51 is intoresting and all but i would like to know where the other base is whats in it. what does everyone think ? anyone agree ?

Does it even exist?

Of couse it exists you can even find sat images on the net.

GPS found it. It has an airstrip and several hangers, a dump, an office building, and some other nondescript buildings in the parameter. Everything in it looked like a totally normal airbase.

Hey there pRoDiEuS ,

Firstly, I do too agree with your statements under certain circumstances. The only one of the few bases in which I think now is, or should be the "A-51 takeover" (so to speak) is Dulce. I've heard that they're planning or they've extended the underground levels from the initial 5 to...8 if I'm not mistaken. Overall, the activities in there is just massive, probably the most of all (Archuleta, Pine Gap etc.). But let's not forget all about A-51, as they still do have one of the best and tightest security the outside and inside world has ever witnessed (but I second this to Dulce), the electro-cams are just everywhere, you can't even get in there astrally!!! It still is the main "hive" of every underground base's tunnel connection.

So hopefully that helped. Again, use your very own maturity and honesty before coming to a conclusion. The world is (very) wide out there.......

I've seen many documentaries of aircraft and aero technology, sometimes they host the show in Area-51. People who have worked in Ared-51 have said that there is only government related technology there and they've never seen any Extra-Terrestrial technology.

I believe in UFO's, but the government building/researching UFO's? If they are, then the UFO Russia found next to a forest, they're doing the same thing.

I hear they made the NASA space videos their, and that they never landed on the moon at all. but we have no proof, do we, We cant fly to the moon, but people think the videos were made BEHIND the Area 51.
REASONS
The shuttle made NO NOISE!
the flag blew in the wind... 1 min! theres NO WIND on the moon!
their jumping, right? sped up its NORMAL speed.

No sound in space.
The flag shook because it was shoved into the ground, not because the wind blew it (where the heck would wind come from on a sound stage anyway?)
Sped up it's normal, but seen at the regular speed it is exactly what you would expect from a reduced gravity walk.

Let's not turn this into another moon hoax thread. That hoax has been debunked so many times already.

Well, I think that if they once had aliens/alien tech in A51... they would have moved it out of the base and to a new one very soon after Roswell...

The flag blew because they had shaken it when they put it in the ground and it had a rod in it to keep it straight.

I have a friend who was in the Navy Seals, and he has an expertise in welding. Anyway, he told me that, sometime in the late '70's he and a group of others were sent to Nevada(not sure if it was Area 51 or some other location... they were not told) and the constructed quick-lauch attack hangers into the side of the mountain. He said that the doors were constructed to look just like the mountain to keep them hidden, and behind these hydraulic doors were a short runway drilled into the mountain and appropriately surfaced. He did not see the attack fighters placed there, as that happened after they finished, but said that he was told they were modified airforce fighter jets that are ready to attack if whatever base they were protecting was under danger.
Nothing special, but I thought it was interesting.

Couldn't have been Area 51. It isn't that close to the mountains (mountains + experimental aircraft = bad).

Another tidbit: A different friend worked on the SR-71 as an avionics specialist. He said that what would happen is this: The SR-71 was moved into a hanger. The area(s) to be worked on the plane were cordoned-off with black fabric sheets, such that a tech in one area would not see any other area of the plane at all. After security check, they were briefed and given the tools for the job, escorted and remained in view of security while performing the job. When finished, the tech was escorted back through security and all tools were checked and secured.

Yeah, I'm sure your right. He doesn't even know, just that it was somewhere in NV.

Speaking of the SR-71, that friend said that the SR-71 had not 2 engines commonly seen in pics, but 3. He said that the 3rd engine was in the back fuselage seen in pics capped by a cone. During flight the cone was ejected and the 3rd engine started. I have no info on that 3rd engine, though surely just high-end conventional, but apparently it was one of the "secret" aspects of the SR-71.

Our research organization receives one or two letters each month on the topics of evolution, the 1947 Roswell incident and Area 51. In the past we avoided including subject matter that didn't fit in with the website's coverage. We added two of these subjects to separate web pages to represent all we have to say on the topics.

Area 51 exists. Before we devoted www.onealclan0.tripod.com/index.htm exclusively to its principal topic (The Bible Code), we carried a web page covering this most secret facility. Because, judging from the small volume of e-mail, so few visitors seemed interested, we dropped it after three months.

The base is located in a desolate area 140 miles north of Las Vegas. Its security is unmatched anywhere on earth but nothing is impenetrable. If you know whom to contact, a few serious investigators can take you to a site 26 miles away at the crest of a rise and watch what's going on from high powered telescopes. 

The base comes alive at night with some amazing aircraft flying at fantastic speeds, doing what no known aircraft should be able to do. For years rumors have floated about an anti-gravity propulsion aircraft and the latest rumor is that the base in on the verge of developing a manned version. Reportedly a small unmanned version is already in the test phase, as "affirmed" by a number of private video cams by watchers. These unauthorized watchers with camcorders hang out in the surrounding desert, most often disguised as campers, and the Webmaster has reviewed a few of their e-mailed videos. Something is flying out of Area 51 that isn't seen anywhere else.

To become a contributing member of one of these investigative groups, you need a skill, like computer communications or advanced investigative experience. It seems to us that most members are financially independent retired men (many more men than women) who find it more exciting than, say, scouring the beach with a metal detector. 

The radio chatter picked up by the investigators' scanners is by and large ordinary communications among the base's security agents. The security personnel who patrol the area around the base are tough. This private security force that doesn't have to worry about all those silly rules like civil rights and the Miranda warning. If unofficial intruders cross the line, they're toast. 

The base's employees sign binding secrecy agreements. One former employee told an interviewer on a History Channel UFO Files' segment that employees who divulge illicit information can be terminated with extreme prejudice, a euphemism that translates to snuffing out a violator's life. Construction has increased a full 100% in the past decade. Although thousands have work here (judging from the cars in the parking lot beyond the gate and the planes full of employees flown in daily), no one has ever been known to talk about exactly what they did for a living. (One PhD physicist declared he was breaking the secrecy agreement on national TV a few years ago by revealing he worked in reverse engineering at the base on the crashed UFO from Roswell, NM. But the government claims they have no personnel records to confirm he ever worked at Area 51. On the other hand, the US government denies finding personnel records on almost everyone who claims to have ever worked here.)

Another downside to this extreme secrecy is that employees don't have workers' protection from OSHA and other oversight agencies. If you complain because you're working with toxic materials, you'll be fired and the feds won't pick up the medical tab if you're sick from the chemicals you're working with. They won't confirm that you ever worked there even if you take your personal injury case to court. And, of course, there's that little problem of staying alive if you complain to the media. Working here isn't like working anywhere else in the U.S. and you have less security, job protection and rights than military or civil service personnel.

Janet Airlines if the name of the air service that ferries Area 51 employees to and from Las Vegas each day. "Janet" is the spook-insider's joke for "Just Another Non-Existent Terminal (or transport.)" None of Janet's fleet has identification markings other than the federally mandated tail number on their planes. (All non-military aircraft are required by law to carry a small series of numbers near the aircraft's tail.) A private high-tech investigator with one of the unofficial investigating groups recently ran down a tail's ID and became the first private investigator to learn it's owned by EG&G, a large government contractor. 

The base is operated under such secrecy that even your congressman or senator can't find out what its employees are working on, although he or she approves whatever funds the base officials claim they need. Area 51 has its own air force that operates separately and above the U.S. Air Force. Some investigators assert that it's doubtful even the President of the United States knows all that goes on at Area 51, allegedly to grant the President deniability for legal reasons. This was hinted at in a line used by a character in the movie, Independence Day. 

Near the base is a popular bar, the Little AleInn (read, "alien"), known worldwide to UFO enthusiasts who believe that the two Roswell (New Mexico) UFO's (and their crew's bodies) that supposedly crashed in southeast New Mexico are studied here. The bar's owners are happy to share every story they know, and they know a lot. Some Area 51 employees drop in after work for a brew but you won't be able to get any information out of any of them. 

In response to several website's visitors' e-mails over the past year concerning the Roswell incident, we finally visited Roswell, NM, during November 2004. The alleged UFO crash site is currently off limits to visitors, so we were unable to survey, dig or take photographs of the area. The community is modern and growing rapidly and is not the tiny cow town depicted in countless TV documentaries. Roswell's downtown International UFO Museum and Research Center is that area's best resource concerning the UFO/weather balloon controversy. The US Air Force maintains to this day that the crash was that of a weather balloon. We interviewed many Roswell residents - professionals, business owners and others - who disagree. Go to http://onealclan0.tripod.com/travels_roswell.htm to read more about what we learned while there.

We have many official government documents concerning Unidentified Flying Objects. This is not an obsession of the Webmaster, but he undertook a study for a brief time at the request of readers. Whether you're a believer or not is irrelevant; the fact is that U.S. government agencies have been investigating UFO's since the Roswell incident in 1947. Although public officials deny they still investigate such incidents, official documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act disprove that claim. UFO's continue to be researched by scientists and technicians on US defense and intelligence payrolls, just as intelligence agencies collected information within the old USSR. Thanks to Roswell's downtown International UFO Museum and Research Center, and many helpful residents in Roswell, we found many formerly secret government documents from J. Edgar Hoover, Air Force investigators and pilots, and others through a myriad of channels, although it's often difficult to obtain some that aren't blacked out here and there, allegedly for security reasons. 

Did you ever wonder why federal agencies maintained 57 years of secrecy concerning what is claimed to be nothing more than a weather balloon? Not even congressmen who attempted to obtain Army and other federal documents were allowed access to that information. 

In 2000, the USAF (formerly the USAAF) claimed the silence was maintained because the crashed craft was a spy balloon and that the bodies reported from close range by many witnesses were really crash dummies or chimps used for early space research. Unfortunately for the USAF, reporters soon learned that crash dummies and chimps weren't used for space tests until the 1950's. 

A local professional woman whose father worked at Roswell AAFB told us the Air Force claim make no sense whatsoever because spy planes at the time could do a far better job than any balloon. Congressmen have asked why an incident concerning a 57 year old weather or spy balloon was considered top secret for decades? The agencies' representatives replied that they were prohibited from responding for reasons of national security. Recently, supposed all documents were released for public research, but these papers immediately met a wall of suspicion because no mention was made in any of the Roswell AAFB daily reports concerning the balloon, its debris recovery or anything else unusual as occurring on that day, contrary to hundreds of eye-witness reports. 

Military and civilian witnesses from that time claim they saw about 50 Army trucks and 200 soldiers cleaning up and retrieving the material from the crash site and transported in 3 large AAF transport planes from Roswell AAFB to Albuquerque, then to Los Alamos Laboratories for study. The destination from that location remains unknown. If all witnesses were lying, the small town of Roswell and its nearby military air field had more liars per capita than any other place on earth.
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I think they did at one time have UFO technology there, that had been borrowed from crashed crafts. Now I think all they have is a dozen top secret millitary projects. There are dozens of millitary bases just like it in the states; Area 51 only attracts attention via reputation. Never forget that the country has a right, a duty, to protect its secrets.

I thought Area 51 extended to the infamous "Freedom Point" which is, actually, a place near several mountains.

you've got a point there, however it still does not seem necisary to keep anything like that SO well gaurded.

If you think about it, just about all technology available today and even some that exists and is not yet available for example electromagnetic antigravitational devices - you cant buy it (well not anywhere I'v ever been anyway ) but you CAN read about it and sometimes even find out exactly how it works.

Now the catch we find with the Area 51 base for instance is that they are being so secretive about what they have there. Sure, secrecy is the key to defence and protection but they COULD at least give us a list of technologies under development, whats the harm in that?

Therefore, it stands to reason they have something more than just "new age defence technology" undercover.

I'm no alien conspiracy theorist but the evidence is there one way or the other.

Well, that's the thing about security clearance. Having Top Secret designation does not mean that you get to peek at everything that is classified Top Secret. Need To Know plays heavily. If you do not Need To Know what the project is about, you do not get told. You get only as much as you Need To Know, and no more.

Forget the list of technologies under development. It would indeed be more harmful than you think it is. America's secrets cannot be given out simply to appease the mildly curious.

Pallidin: The thing that looks like a third engine on the SR-71 is a detachable Drone that's controlled by the crew or the ground, to get in close to things seen from above. The Drone is Cheaper and more exspendable than the SR-71 or crew.
All so the U.S.A.F. research labs have an open web sight . Check it out. If this is what they release to the public, What is TOP Secret would scare the hell out of us!

Damn straight, I had 'Top Secret' clearance but there was much I couldn't access cause I didn't have 'a need to know'...............

I think you're missing the point of my arguement. Need to know is all well and good but it only goes so far to explain WHY its under top secret clearance. Of course people dont NEED to know about whats going on in there but people dont NEED to know why the sky is blue or how the hell schwartzenegger came to be in political contol of flordia, but people still WANT to know and thats whats been giving the secrecy of these bases such a battering over the years.

People are and always will be curious creatures. We will always WANT to know whether it is in our interests to know or not.

I'm sorry, I'm still missing the point. I thought you said that giving the public "a list of of technologies under development" was a reasonable request, and since they did not comply, then "it stands to reason they have something more than just "new age defence technology" undercover."

If, on the other hand, giving out a list is not a reasonable request, then there is really no reason to believe they have anything other than new tech hidden away, is there?

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A humongous sign '51'

Dammit! You know about the "51"? My mission has failed. Big men in black suits will be visiting you shortly.

*in response to some e-mails I have received*

*quit sign painter job and start packing *

that's the reason it's on a 'need to know' basis........it's 'Top Secret' and you don't need to know about it......

Sounds right, now that you clarify it. My friend did not work on that section of the plane, but was aware of a detachable cone. Perhaps he just assumed it was exposing a secret 3rd engine without actually knowing the facts. Your explanation sounds better, as a close look at that back fuselage does not lend itself to holding an engine.

Absolutely. Security clearance levels are there for a reason.