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what exactly is 4d? there are 3 dimensions we know of 3d is that you can move in all directions. 2d is you can only move left and right i think but what is 4d? I heard different theories about 4d. When you die you enter the 4th dimension and you have a deeper understanding of the universe. another theory is that our world is a shadow of a 4d object. we move the way that object goes does anyone know what the forth dimension is? does it even exist?
One time I saw an advertisement for a movie that was in 4-D. It was an R. L. Stine thing. I was wondering what it was.
4D is time travel. Height, width, and depth are the three dimensions we can move in. Time travel would be the next pheasable dimension, because then, we could travel on another plane.
travel in another plane. that would make sense. if you change something in the past you would create an alternate dimension
maybe the fourth dimension is alternate worlds, etc. and we travel there in our sleep. (dreams) or we get glimpses of them.
just a thought
just a thought
The fourth dimension is not time travel, but time itsself. the first 3 dimensions are XYZ, which correspond to horizontal, vertical, and depth. If you are going to tell someone the location of a plane, you obviously need its 3 dimensional position. What you also need, is at what time that plane is going to be at the location you specified.
time? our 3d universe lies in a 4d realm. i thought 4d is something like a hypercube
Do you think gravoty could be a possible dimension, since it affects time? Maybe gravity and time are part of the same dimension? What do you think?
gravity is a force of nature, so i dont believe it is connected with time, the only way gravity can affect time is that while the gravity is pulling you, you are moving faster thus slowing time down, other than that i dont think they are interconnected, but like stellar said we actually live in 4 dimensions, length, height, depth, and time, if you believe in string theory than the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th dimensions also all exist as spatial dimensions rolled up in a calabai-yau shape but extremly small
But Einsteins theories of gravity say that space and time are bent by gravity. At least, as far as I understand they do. ic ould be wrong. So would gravity be a different dimension all in it own? or one connected to the 3d space?
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The fourth dimension is not time travel, but time itsself. the first 3 dimensions are XYZ, which correspond to horizontal, vertical, and depth. If you are going to tell someone the location of a plane, you obviously need its 3 dimensional position. What you also need, is at what time that plane is going to be at the location you specified.
Yup! That’s how I know it to be.
At the first moment of time, know as the Planck time, space began to form creating time as we know it. Time is the distance traveled between point A and point B, because before time, there was no distance to travel. The three spatial dimensions we live in today are inversely connected with time. A unification if you will with space and time, some what like the unification between electricity and magnetism called electromagnetism.
When you ask, what is 4d, you could be talking about time, but you could also be talking about space. Like my mane 4dplane, the name signifies a spatial dimension and not a dimension of time. A 4th dimensional plane is much harder to explain or imagine, probably because it doesn’t exist, or it is way too big or small for us to see.
It is possible that we live in a five dimensional world that has an extremely large 4th spatial dimension. Imagine that our universe is a slice of bread, and every slice of bread you cut in succession is a different universe. Every slice, no matter how thin you cut it, represents a three dimensional universe. It’s as if our universe appears to be a flattened 3 dimensional space when viewed from a 4th spatial dimension. To get an idea of this, it’s nice to reduce the number of spatial dimensions you are used to, and look at it from that point of view. Take a look at my avatar, the right side picture is the view a person on a two dimensional plane would have if that person was visited by a cube from the three dimensional world. See how your view of the cube is limited. Now take it one step further and realize that right now you are viewing the right side of my avatar from a 3 dimensional perspective; but if you were that person in the two dimensional world viewing the cube from the 3 dimensional world, all you would see of the cube is a straight line that would grow and then shrink. Try this at home – pull out a penny and place it on the table. Now position you eyes so that you are looking at only the side of the penny. If you position yourself at the same plane of the side of the penny, you will see the penny from a two dimensional view. What do you see? Now do this same trick in your head and go from a world of 3 spatial dimensions to a world of 4 spatial dimensions. Have fun
QUOTE(4dplane @ Dec 7 2004, 03:50 PM)
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The fourth dimension is not time travel, but time itsself. the first 3 dimensions are XYZ, which correspond to horizontal, vertical, and depth. If you are going to tell someone the location of a plane, you obviously need its 3 dimensional position. What you also need, is at what time that plane is going to be at the location you specified.
Yup! That’s how I know it to be.
At the first moment of time, know as the Planck time, space began to form creating time as we know it. Time is the distance traveled between point A and point B, because before time, there was no distance to travel. The three spatial dimensions we live in today are inversely connected with time. A unification if you will with space and time, some what like the unification between electricity and magnetism called electromagnetism.
When you ask, what is 4d, you could be talking about time, but you could also be talking about space. Like my mane 4dplane, the name signifies a spatial dimension and not a dimension of time. A 4th dimensional plane is much harder to explain or imagine, probably because it doesn’t exist, or it is way too big or small for us to see.
It is possible that we live in a five dimensional world that has an extremely large 4th spatial dimension. Imagine that our universe is a slice of bread, and every slice of bread you cut in succession is a different universe. Every slice, no matter how thin you cut it, represents a three dimensional universe. It’s as if our universe appears to be a flattened 3 dimensional space when viewed from a 4th spatial dimension. To get an idea of this, it’s nice to reduce the number of spatial dimensions you are used to, and look at it from that point of view. Take a look at my avatar, the right side picture is the view a person on a two dimensional plane would have if that person was visited by a cube from the three dimensional world. See how your view of the cube is limited. Now take it one step further and realize that right now you are viewing the right side of my avatar from a 3 dimensional perspective; but if you were that person in the two dimensional world viewing the cube from the 3 dimensional world, all you would see of the cube is a straight line that would grow and then shrink. Try this at home – pull out a penny and place it on the table. Now position you eyes so that you are looking at only the side of the penny. If you position yourself at the same plane of the side of the penny, you will see the penny from a two dimensional view. What do you see? Now do this same trick in your head and go from a world of 3 spatial dimensions to a world of 4 spatial dimensions. Have fun
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that helped alot
there is no time in 4d
QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Dec 8 2004, 01:16 AM)
there is no time in 4d
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Aww christ, just... SHoo!! Just go away god damnit. You're like the mosquito you cant quite manage to kill. Please refrain from commenting in a thread you have no knowledge about. Or, simply admit that you're not 28, or is it 29 now? Anyway, simply admit that you're not 28 or 29 and that you are a child who has yet to take a physics class.
LOL^
Yeah,4d is time. We interact with time.Without time, there is no specific distances to be travelled. If time wasnt a variable, there would be no death. This is from a physics teacher at my school.
And from the way i see it, gravity is just a variable that affects time.FOr example, as the earth spins and gravity is created, time itself warps around earth. Its like the Einstien example: Imagine to boys being born the exact same time. Boy A stays on earth, while boy B travels through space in a ship going the speed of light. When 70 years pass for Boy A (still on Earth) only 40 has passed for Boy B in the space ship.
An actual example of this,in a way, is when Astronauts go to space. Imagine that an Astronaut has a watch set to the exact time as a clock on earth. When the Astronaut goes on a 7 day mission in a space shuttle and comes back to Earth, the Astronauts watch is actually one second slower.
Wow. That the most theoretical stuff I have ever posted.
Yeah,4d is time. We interact with time.Without time, there is no specific distances to be travelled. If time wasnt a variable, there would be no death. This is from a physics teacher at my school.
And from the way i see it, gravity is just a variable that affects time.FOr example, as the earth spins and gravity is created, time itself warps around earth. Its like the Einstien example: Imagine to boys being born the exact same time. Boy A stays on earth, while boy B travels through space in a ship going the speed of light. When 70 years pass for Boy A (still on Earth) only 40 has passed for Boy B in the space ship.
An actual example of this,in a way, is when Astronauts go to space. Imagine that an Astronaut has a watch set to the exact time as a clock on earth. When the Astronaut goes on a 7 day mission in a space shuttle and comes back to Earth, the Astronauts watch is actually one second slower.
Wow. That the most theoretical stuff I have ever posted.
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 5 2004, 06:30 PM)
The fourth dimension is not time travel, but time itsself. the first 3 dimensions are XYZ, which correspond to horizontal, vertical, and depth. If you are going to tell someone the location of a plane, you obviously need its 3 dimensional position. What you also need, is at what time that plane is going to be at the location you specified.
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That's what I always thought but I was not sure.
I learned on the discovery channel about five dimensions. A man had photographed the human body in five dimensions and it was really terrific. The 4th dimension, which has been explained already, is the perception of time, and the 5th was, if i understood it correctly, matter travelling through time. In the photographs red blood cells were photographed travelling through a persons viens and they called it the 5th dimension.
Really? From what i thought, space was the 5th dimension. At least with space being the 5th, all of them fit together.
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Dec 8 2004, 02:27 AM)
I learned on the discovery channel about five dimensions. A man had photographed the human body in five dimensions and it was really terrific. The 4th dimension, which has been explained already, is the perception of time, and the 5th was, if i understood it correctly, matter travelling through time. In the photographs red blood cells were photographed travelling through a persons viens and they called it the 5th dimension.
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Im not quite sure I understand. Matter travelling through time?
Ok, so first 3 are XYZ, 4 is a time, and 5th is the speed of the passage of time?
Well, in a sense, we are travelling through time at this very moment.
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Well, in a sense, we are travelling through time at this very moment.
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I know.
that would be the 5th dimension with that theory, i wish i seen that program i love seeing stuff like that, but personally i feel the motion of matter through time is not a dimension but what holds all the dimensions together allowing the passage between them, with out time you wouldnt have the "time" to move left and right, you get what im saying?
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Dec 8 2004, 02:27 AM)
I learned on the discovery channel about five dimensions. A man had photographed the human body in five dimensions and it was really terrific. The 4th dimension, which has been explained already, is the perception of time, and the 5th was, if i understood it correctly, matter travelling through time. In the photographs red blood cells were photographed travelling through a persons viens and they called it the 5th dimension.
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How would that work? first, humans are 3 dimensional, so you couldn't photograph the 5th dimension on a humand, second, that would be like us takinga 3d model and putting it into the first dimension, two dimensions down, so a 3d model would be like a point... as that photograph was of the 5th dimension
oh sheesh what did i do now all i said there is no time in 4d and its true
Another way to imagine a 4th spatial dimension (5 dimensions being when you add time): You know how you can see though mitochondria, in essence, you are a 3 dimensional person looking at a two dimensional creature (this is not actually true). The same rule would apply for a person living in a world of 4 dimensions looking “down” at a person in a world of 3 dimensions. The person in the former world would be able to see the insides of the person in the latter world.
The idea of looking “down” is all about perspective. From our perspective we could simply be unaware of an extra spatial dimension because we are either too big, or too small to see an extra dimension.
Let’s say an extra spatial dimension exists that is billions and billions of times larger then our universe. We as 3 dimensional creatures would never be able to visit this 4 dimensional world directly because from our perspective, all we can see are 3 dimensions. If a person from a 4 dimensional world came to visit us in our 3 dimensional world, all we would see are 3 out of the 4 spatial dimensions of this person. The same holds true when a person from a world of 3 spatial dimensions visits a person in a world of 2 spatial dimensions. Like my avatar points out, a 3 dimensional cube visiting a 2 dimensional world appear as a straight line to a person that is in the 2 dimensional world.
I want to know how quantum mechanics explains the idea of a point particle that are thought to have zero spatial dimensions. How can we come up with an analogy for that?
The idea of looking “down” is all about perspective. From our perspective we could simply be unaware of an extra spatial dimension because we are either too big, or too small to see an extra dimension.
Let’s say an extra spatial dimension exists that is billions and billions of times larger then our universe. We as 3 dimensional creatures would never be able to visit this 4 dimensional world directly because from our perspective, all we can see are 3 dimensions. If a person from a 4 dimensional world came to visit us in our 3 dimensional world, all we would see are 3 out of the 4 spatial dimensions of this person. The same holds true when a person from a world of 3 spatial dimensions visits a person in a world of 2 spatial dimensions. Like my avatar points out, a 3 dimensional cube visiting a 2 dimensional world appear as a straight line to a person that is in the 2 dimensional world.
I want to know how quantum mechanics explains the idea of a point particle that are thought to have zero spatial dimensions. How can we come up with an analogy for that?
Ok.
Wats that?
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you can see though mitochondria
Wats that?
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Ok.
Wats that?
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you can see though mitochondria
Wats that?
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How would that work? first, humans are 3 dimensional, so you couldn't photograph the 5th dimension on a humand, second, that would be like us takinga 3d model and putting it into the first dimension, two dimensions down, so a 3d model would be like a point... as that photograph was of the 5th dimension
Not necessairly, it depends on the method and what the 5th dimension is in the first place. For instance, a photo (a 2d object) can capture 3d... it cannot capture time though. A video camera, can capture the normal 3d and also the 4th d, time.
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oh sheesh what did i do now all i said there is no time in 4d and its true
Sheesh, first of all, you're making an ass of yourself. Time is not *in* the 4th dimension, time *IS* the 4th dimension. Ask any physicist. Second of all, if you're so smart, what is the 4th d then and why do you say its not time? AND FINALLY, what do you have to back you up? You come here and go against people much much smarter than you and say "TIME IS NOT IN THE 4D. WHAT I SAID IS TRUE." Well, actually, your spelling is worse, but anyway, what do you have to back you up?
Seriously, go to school before calling people like Einstein wrong.
In response, i'd suggest checking out the book for yourselves. It was on Daily Planet, and, it's hard to explain but the bodies were photographed in 5D by first photographing the 3D and then adding the 4th and 5th D afterwards, which includes the aging of the body, the inside of the body and the movement of cells and electronic waves through the body. It was quite fascinating. I'm going to go to discovery.ca and find out the name of the book excuse me.
Ahhhhh. I thought it was on daily planet. Most cool things like that are. JAy Ingrum (sp?) and that Swartz chemist guy are my heros 
http://www.exn.net/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=11/25/2004
Click on this link, check the bottom of the page is a small icon of a skeleton called 'The Architexture of the Human Body' and click on the video link to view some of the 5-Dimensional images of the human body from the book.
This is discovery channel daily planet we're talking about, they know more than most people on the site about this kinda stuff i think, so it's credible they know what the dimensions are.
The book is called "Architecture and Design of Man and Woman" by Barry Werth and Alexander Tsiaras and has the most stunning photos of the human body in 5D including breathtaking pictures of pregnant women with their children growing inside them. Sadly, i could not find any pictures on the net besides that video and i'm unable to watch that video atb the moment since i'm at work so i aplogise if it gives no images.
Click on this link, check the bottom of the page is a small icon of a skeleton called 'The Architexture of the Human Body' and click on the video link to view some of the 5-Dimensional images of the human body from the book.
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Jay talks to someone with a fascinating new way of looking at the architecture of the human body - in five dimensions!
This is discovery channel daily planet we're talking about, they know more than most people on the site about this kinda stuff i think, so it's credible they know what the dimensions are.
The book is called "Architecture and Design of Man and Woman" by Barry Werth and Alexander Tsiaras and has the most stunning photos of the human body in 5D including breathtaking pictures of pregnant women with their children growing inside them. Sadly, i could not find any pictures on the net besides that video and i'm unable to watch that video atb the moment since i'm at work so i aplogise if it gives no images.
I always thought the idea of other dimensions worked with this easy rule-"You can only observe the dimension above you" In 3D we know that time exsists, but we cannot control/manipulate it to our will like we so easily do with length width and height.
It also applies to say, things that exsist in the 2-d world. Perhaps they know of a 3D world exsisting yet are at its every whim.
I read two really interesting books about this when I was younger, one called Boxes or The Boxes and another one, somewhere along the lines of I Reversed Myself or Aliens of the 4th Dimension something wierd like that.
Do not drink the bong water to get to the fourth dimension though.
I'm sure blazer knows what I'm talking about.
It also applies to say, things that exsist in the 2-d world. Perhaps they know of a 3D world exsisting yet are at its every whim.
I read two really interesting books about this when I was younger, one called Boxes or The Boxes and another one, somewhere along the lines of I Reversed Myself or Aliens of the 4th Dimension something wierd like that.
Do not drink the bong water to get to the fourth dimension though.
I'm sure blazer knows what I'm talking about.
What is that guy talking about? 5th D is our physiology? Our insides? Am I understanding this right? How is that the 5th d? Its just a certain depth within our body, and zoomed up! *confused*
Yeah, im gettin confused too
I guess I'm not understanding it right... cuz if I am, then that same definition could be used to create a 6th dimension: The insides of atoms and their functionality.
No no, the way i understood it, the 5th dimension would be matter travelling through space/time, as opposed to the 4th dimension being the object of time itself.
the example given is cells travelling.
the example given is cells travelling.
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I guess I'm not understanding it right... cuz if I am, then that same definition could be used to create a 6th dimension: The insides of atoms and their functionality.
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and why not? that's actually a pretty good example of what the 6th dimension could be, although i would have expected that to come before time and movement.
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I guess I'm not understanding it right... cuz if I am, then that same definition could be used to create a 6th dimension: The insides of atoms and their functionality.
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and why not? that's actually a pretty good example of what the 6th dimension could be, although i would have expected that to come before time and movement.
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I would have too. I just dont see it as a dimension... at least, not one in the same family as the other 4. It just seems... odd. I find that its basically the 4ds we know of now... just zoomed up and inside the atom instead of outside. You can take a picture of a split atom and get the same result, in 3d (since its a picture) couldnt you?
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No no, the way i understood it, the 5th dimension would be matter travelling through space/time, as opposed to the 4th dimension being the object of time itself.
the example given is cells travelling.
the example given is cells travelling.
Thats what I dont quite understand. How could matter travelling be considered a dimension? We use the 4 dimensions to figure out how its travelling and at what location the object would be at a certain time... that description, IMO, portrays the 5th dimension as nothing else but the other 4 grouped together. How would you describe matter travelling through space/time without applying urself on the other dimensions? dimensions 1 to 4 seem independant, but 5 seems dependant.
X=Horizontal position
Y=Vertical position
Z=Depth
T=Time
5d=xyzt?
But you can have wxy without movement. Time on the otherhand is, in it's most basic terms i suppose, movement in itself is it not? Therefore 5D would be no different than 4D...
Man, i'm so confused i think i took a wrong turn heading to Hong Hong and ended up in Alaska.
Man, i'm so confused i think i took a wrong turn heading to Hong Hong and ended up in Alaska.
You can have xyz without movement. You cant have movement without xyz. To identify the location of something, you need xyz and time. I dont think the passage of time is what the 4th dimension is about... IIRC, the 4th d is a certain time, not the passage of time. The passage of time would be like movement... movement is not a dimension.
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This is not true because when viewing movement, you the viewer are in a reference frame i.e. your perspective. In your perspective or reference frame, you are moving as you view an object. As special relativity points out, there is no such thing as an absolute frame of reference in our universe. Meaning, there is no place in the universe that is not moving. Another way to put it is, you can not prove something is not moving because from its perspective you are moving and both perspective are valid.
Whoa, i'm so lost.
I'll just add that it is impossible for something to never be moving because of course time is always moving forward.
I'll just add that it is impossible for something to never be moving because of course time is always moving forward.
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You can have xyz without movement
This is not true because when viewing movement, you the viewer are in a reference frame i.e. your perspective. In your perspective or reference frame, you are moving as you view an object. As special relativity points out, there is no such thing as an absolute frame of reference in our universe. Meaning, there is no place in the universe that is not moving. Another way to put it is, you can not prove something is not moving because from its perspective you are moving and both perspective are valid.
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I know, but I mean theoretically, if everything just stopped moving... you still have their xyz locations, yet they're not moving. Actually, they never cease a certain type of movement. They're moving into the future. Either way, thats irrelevant.
Like i said before, i think that the %th dimension is space.I mean, there is nothing else quite like space. Also, 5d wouldnt have to be xyzt. You have all of these co existing anyway. ANd as I stated earlyer, space interacts with time, and dimension, such as black holes, and time bendingaround large astral bodies.
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Also, 5d wouldnt have to be xyzt. You have all of these co existing anyway. ANd as I stated earlyer, space interacts with time, and dimension, such as black holes, and time bendingaround large astral bodies.
Yes, I know that,thats why I dont understand this 5d image book!
i cant imagine anything beyond 4d. i keep getting a brain meltdown. it is like infinite of space.i understand that our 3d universe moves through a 4d realm(time) but do 4d figures exist?
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i cant imagine anything beyond 4d. i keep getting a brain meltdown. it is like infinite of space.i understand that our 3d universe moves through a 4d realm(time) but do 4d figures exist?
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Hmm... I dont think so. I dont think 4d objects exist, the 4th d is more used to calculate the poition/state of an object.
You should all refer to Movement of time as an aspect of time, not another dimension. Time itself is the fourth dimension, it just so happens to be moving without our control.
Where do things like radio-waves and sound waves all fit into this? We can't see those but we know they're there, and they can move through nearly evertything in 3-d space perfectly, of course except black holes and other gravitational anomolies.
Where do things like radio-waves and sound waves all fit into this? We can't see those but we know they're there, and they can move through nearly evertything in 3-d space perfectly, of course except black holes and other gravitational anomolies.
i like what monkeyburd said, refering to the movent of time as an aspect of the dimension, i agree with this, i dont see how the movement through a dimension constitutes as a completly new dimension
the only dimensions i believe to exist are ones you can move through, but moving through them in itsself is not a dimension
the only dimensions i believe to exist are ones you can move through, but moving through them in itsself is not a dimension
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