please physco-analyzing the posts on a forum is hardly scientific and useless in determining the mental condition of a subject-which to the casual observer like me seems like a way of avoiding a rational debate concerning undisputable facts-enough exists to not only confirm a phenomanon exists but to conclude who did it and why-the amazing thing is the ability of the brainwashing techniches involved which are powerful enough for even the most intellectually gifted and analytical to be completely seduced into total denial and avoidance of the obvious- i am willing to bet you will disassociate the northwood documents with the pnac and claim that the keating book was a remarkable chance like the "illuminati new world order" strategy card game

This is hardly psycho-analysis. All I am asking for is exactly what I provided: An explanation of what I was referring to (paranoia), the warning signs and red flags (lack of objectivity, increasingly detached claims, etc.) and how the poster met these (those who do not believe must be ignorant, hell, demons, sacrifices).

As I said before, the first step is to verify that the phenomena is real, and the credibility of the source is absolutely key to that. As a source, you have much lacking, not the least of which is a continued effort to divert attention away from the question that I posed concerning your credibility, which is verifiable, to the conspiracy argument, which is not.

This is going nowhere fast. Lets stay away from what mental conditions people have and stick more to actual documented facts and maybe symbolism if it's that undeniable.
I've started a topic on my forum to discuss this. You will have to register to post.

No one here is paranoid.

We that have woken up to the truth are not paranoid, fool.

aquatus, you refused to research the theories yourself and think you can still continue an argument?

How can you when you only know one side of the argument and nothing of the other?

This goes to all that come in and let there insanely conditioned brainwashed sheep-brained minds instantly dismiss theries such as these as utter bollocks....

Research it.

HERES a very interesting article on some advanced Illuminati symbolism.

This knowledge NEEDS to be known to all.

I am not continuing the conspiracy argument. The entire point of my post was to point out that you have failed to present an argument that was credible enough to get me to research it on my own. Maybe you are correct about a conspiracy. It doesn't matter. I do not trust you because you methods are shoddy and your belief system overrules your ability to express yourself logically. It is a safer bet to judge you unable to decide between what is factual and what isn't based on your methodology, than to spend a great deal of time and effort on the off chance that what you say may be true. Possibilities are a dime a dozen. Only the most worthy get researched. You have failed to make your case worthy of research, and you did so because you insist that the only way to see the 'truth' is by finding your own path to it. This is a direct violation of objective research, and the single most prominent property of subjective research, which already has a very long history of being proven wrong.

It may amaze you to know that I am actually fairly well versed in most of the subjects you bring up (not overwhelmingly so, as these sort of topics do not interest me a great deal). I firmly believe that every argument needs to have boths sides researched. The research that I have done concerning a conspiracy leads me to believe that there is no such thing in existance. In order to get me to research more, then an argument needs to be made which will convince me that you actually understand my side of the argument as well. In other words, I need to hear "I notice that this is where you are coming from, and this is why that doesn't apply in this situation." You have shown no understanding or formal logic and methodology. Why should I believe that you understand my side of this argument?

You claim that I do not understand your side of the argument, yet everytime that I have questioned what you posted, you have refered to me as either brainwashed or ignorant. Where is your falsifiability? You have repeatedly claimed that the only way to believe is to research yourself. Where is your objective logical path? Why should you be an exception to the scientific methodology that has allowed us to discern fact from fiction so well that in the last 500 years we have advanced farther than all the millenia that subjective thought ruled? Give us a reason to believe that what you say is worthy of research. It is your credibility that is key here, not your argument.

Insight and I and a few others here who have finally woken up are the ones that know each side of the argument unlike the rest of you who are still yet to wake up.

Save your time with your crappy comments about this argument not being worthy enough to research.

If your not going to research it then dont expect us to respond to your tiresome nit-picking, and that goes to the rest of you.

Listen to yourself. "Insight and I and a few others here who have finally woken up are right and you are wrong". You sound like Evangelists. Substitute Hell, psychic powers, or UFO hiding in the tail of a comet, and your arguments remain unchanged. Can you at least admit that your methods do not conform to verifiable standards, or is that too much for you?

I admit what I say is by no means proof of what I say but unless your willing to get the proof which is piss easy (only a google away) then dont bother trying to put up an argument.

And again, as has been told to you not just by myself, but by so many others, what you are presenting as proof does not meet the standards of proof. Proof is not subjective. Proof is not something that one has to believe in ahead of time to see the logical result. What you continue posting and referring to is supporting your idea, that is true; Proof however, does not work from the end to the beginning. In order for it to be proof, the logical path must lead from the evidence to the proof. I could just as easily use everything that you have posted as proof as support for a theory that there is an organized movement to discredit the U.S. government through accusations of satanic rituals and secret society membership. I could find all sorts of proof for that, all of which would support me, none of which, however, would necessarily be correct. That is why the methodology is set up the way it is. Anyone can support anything in hindsight. The true test of credibility is wether or not the evidence can lead to the result, not vice-versa.

go into my thread called "proof of satanic ritualism in US goverment" for proof.

I have been there. Two of the videos I already saw years ago. The one new one isn't supplying anything new.

d3v, understand this: I have looked through your proof. I have heard about all this before. As you said, this stuff has been around for years. Yes, I have even done a certain amount of research on it. There is absolutely nothing to this theory that distinguishes it from any other conspiracy theory out there. Every single one is based on subjective research. Every single one has supporting evidence of the result, but none of the theory. Every single one is unfalsifiable. Please, as an exercise for yourself, just try to falsify it. You don't even need to post it here. I am willing to bet that you will be completely unable to. This is a sign that you have lost your objectivism in a large way.

In short, this conspiracy theory has no more reason to be true than any of the other hundreds of conspiracy theories out there. There are, however, many reasons why it would not be true.

jesus christ, if you've watched the videos and done as much research as you say and are STILL not full convinced that our goverments and all the top players in the world engage in occult ritualism then YOU'R the one with the problem, not I.

Because you cannot conceive of how your ideas could possibly be false?

When the evidence is absolutely solid, no.

And yet, your evidence has failed to convince anyone who didn't already believe in the conspiracy. How solid can it be?

Even a theory that has never been proven wrong is unfalsifiable. Heck, the Pythagorean Theorum is falsifiable. Evolution is falsifiable. If every credible theory in existance must have a way to be proven incorrect, then how is it that you are unable to find a way to falsify your theory?

Whatever your blabbering onabout is unnessacary.

How can you not be convinced when you have researched as much as u say?

d3v, you're not even understanding what he's saying. A true theory needs to have a way of it being disproven. Meaning, if that way is discovered, then that theory is disproven. The whole NWO and illuminati stuff has no way of being disproven. If you find something that would disprove it, it ends up being called disinformation, and ends up supporting the theory in the minds of the believers.

I have asked for the argueing to end, you will not get another warning.

I hope that I am presenting my case logically enough to not be accused of arguing (at least, non-productively). If not, I will desist.

Have you seen it yet, d3v?





Each and every one of these statements repeats the same thing over and over again. Instead of supporting your proof as credible, you can only express befuddlement at our inability to see that which you see so clearly. This quality, this very property of seeing something that others do not, this is by definition subjective, and this is the difference between solid evidence, i.e. evidence that is objective and logically supported, and subjective evidence, which can only support an argument that you already believe in. How can you claim to understand both sides of the argument, if you post comments such as "Whatever your blabbering onabout"?

I have, for the fourth time now, found a different manner of supporting the statement that I am making concerning credible evidence, yet you continue to repeat the same disbelief without being able to support the actual evidence you present. Are you going to respond once more that we are at fault for not seeing what you are seeing? Can you see why we cannot consider what you present as true evidence? The reasons why have been given, and the articles that failed at satysfying these reasons have been given as well. Where is your support for the credibility of your evidence? How is it falsifiable?

which ever way you word it aquatus1, people are still responding to it as antagonism.

I dont understand... how are we supposed to discuss the subject then?

Stellar, the topic is about the number 666 on the dollar bill, not a arguement about who is "awakened" or "is blabbering on". Discuss the topic, don't argue. Its that simple.....the last 10 posts in this thread have NOTHING to do with the topic, and using them as a medium to dig chunks out of each other because of their standing on the topic.

Oh, I thought you meant dont argue about the topic neither. I wasnt talking about this topic specifically, but the other ones like the NWO and the Illuminati one too... I dont agree with d3v, and you said not to argue, so I was wondering how I could discuss it without arguing?

Try not use sarcasm/words that you know would antagonise the other poster. Stellar, you have a past history with this, with vimjams, so you know what i'm talking about. If you feel another poster is trying to antagonise you, do the RIGHT thing and pm a moderater who will deal with the situation. Discuss like adults instead of resulting to arguements which contribute nothing to the topic, like children.

Then, in deference to the rules, I will stop posting here.

I do not, however, consider this a good thing. The construction of a good argument is every bit as important to a discussion as the actual topic.

Perhaps you should read my posts in response to stellars questions. A arguement can only go so far until both go other the edge and tear chunks. As a moderater here i have the job of preventing this, i ask for a calm down, and back on the topic in question.

So what if they are satanist, you gives a flying ----?!? Wether they are christian, hindu, or atheist, it's none of my business.

Are you refering to the 666 on the one dollar bill? I respect peoples beliefs as long as they don't try to affect me with them. It is strange though that someone would want to put that on public money. If they did put it there then it woul also seems that they can and have controlled historical events. Wouldn't that worry you? I'm not saying it's true it's just odd that it occures in such a pattern as this.

There is ALOT of information of sumbolism and numbers that strongly relate to past events and future events.

It just proves that this stuff is all pre-planned long before it happens.

I'll try and get the link to the information on this.

how convienent that this would occur before responding to my inquiries--oh well
NAH...NAH...NAH...NAH
HEY...HEY...HEY....GOODBYE

I heard that the right wing,media group FOX has 666,in its logo.I bet they have lots of dollars too!

F=6th letter of alphabet.
O=15th letter, 1+5=6
X=24th letter, 2+4=6, who knows?

You do not need to find some secret message in a logo to figure that out, All the large media groups and companys are evil.

thats pretty wild ive never seen that one
gematria is usually intentional

Theres thick books full of this kind of this.

Its everywhere and I think the biggest and most "in your face" example is the Statue of Liberty that represents the total opposite of liberty.

Please give us a link that explains this d3v.

LINK HERE

And HERE is a good page full of Illuminati symbolism around the world.

That is simply laughable d3v, post something of significance, like how to know that it is the torck of the illuminati. And I suppose the whole "Give us your poor, your tired, your weak..." is a secret illuminati message that can be encrypted to spell out 666 right?

I know its not proof and I never said it was...