Diebytheflyguy
Dec 7 2004, 07:51 PM

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Tiger Mates With Lion, Gives Birth to “Liger” Cub in Siberian ZooCreated: 06.12.2004 14:19 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 15:28 MSK
MosNews
In what local zoologists are calling a miracle, a Bengalese tiger has given birth to a healthy tiger-lion cub at a Novosibirsk zoo.
The cub is a cross between the female Bengalese tiger and an African lion. The animal — the first recorded in history — resembled a lion cub except that it had stripes, and has been dubbed a “liger”, the Russian Information Agency Novosti reported.
“This was not the result of a scientific experiment,” Novosti quoted zoo director Rostislav Shilo as saying. “It’s just that the lion and the tiger live in neighboring caves in the Novosibirsk zoo, and got used to each other. It’s practically impossible in the wild.”
Shilo said that the “miracle cub” was christened Zita, and will remain in the zoo. But what will happen to the cub in the future, “no one can say”.
Source. I didn't know where else to put this...
...Thats pretty cool.
Athenian
Dec 7 2004, 07:56 PM
Now we must try to breed a domesticated cat with it...
The world is hybridizing rapidily!
Shadowsleet
Dec 7 2004, 08:00 PM
I believe a Liger is what happens with the pairing of a male lion, with a female tiger...if the genders were to be reversed, the result would be a Tigron...or is a Tion...either way, the name is extremely stupid.
Anyway, that's not the first in history...I read about these things years ago. Not unless this article is just very old
JennRose
Dec 7 2004, 08:11 PM
Yeah, I've heard of these before, too. Also of a jaguar and maybe cheetah(?) crossbreed...
Very pretty, though!
TooFarGone
Dec 7 2004, 08:31 PM
Cool. That photo looks a bit alterted, but i believe i have heard of it anyway.
ripped_fx
Dec 7 2004, 08:38 PM
The picture is genuine. For some even better pictures you can go to Google image and search for Liger. And for more hybrids try going to the gallery at americanmonsters.com and go to the hybrid sub-category.
Ruby
Dec 7 2004, 08:48 PM
Wow thats heaps cool i would love to go and visit that zoo
lego jedi
Dec 7 2004, 08:51 PM
luckily no thought to name this animal li-ar which is close enough to that pic
(and yes i know that name dont fit the words )
Shilo said that the “miracle cub” was christened Zita, and will remain in the zoo. But what will happen to the cub in the future, “no one can say”. Source.
A perfect example, no one knows what will happen to the cub in the future.
It's a proven fact now with a lot of designer dog breeds that they have multiple health problems.
This wouldn't have happened in the wild, maybe that's natures way of telling us something.
Great Big Sea
Dec 7 2004, 10:04 PM
That's so pretty! I'm glad that it wasn't a faked picture! It's neat that they gave birth to a hybrid like that!
Alcatraz_and_brindle_pitbulls
Dec 7 2004, 10:57 PM
Its very pretty...well...since they're basicly big cats, its ok you know? They breed ponies with horses and dogs with wolves and coyotes, this one shouldnt be that bad, i hope they keep on breeding them, 'cause they're pretty.
Panthera leo atrox
Dec 7 2004, 10:59 PM
I don't get it.

Is a "Bengalese" tiger the same thing as a Bengal tiger, or something else?

Because Bengal/lion hybrids are
very common in captivity. When did this happen, this year or a long time ago?

Beautiful specimen, by the way!
mr_halo
Dec 7 2004, 11:14 PM
whats the point in these crossbreeds/hybrids?
is it to keep tiger and lion populations up or is it just big cats getting frisky?
Panthera leo atrox
Dec 7 2004, 11:28 PM
Ligers and tigons are usually breed by accident, as a curiosity or to sell as pets.
mr_halo
Dec 7 2004, 11:29 PM
QUOTE(Panthera leo atrox @ Dec 7 2004, 11:28 PM)
Ligers and tigons are usually breed by accident, as a curiosity or to sell as pets.
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oh i see, but curiosity kills cats
even big cats....
girty1600
Dec 7 2004, 11:42 PM
Very cool hybrid kitty. I wonder if he will be allowed to breed with other cats. Perhaps the keepers will just let nature take it's course.
I have also read that some hybrid animals are unabel to breed. My family used to breed mules (donkey/horse) for farm use before tractors were affordable for small farmers. The mules were not capable to breed due to lack of equipment. Looking at the pic of Zita, one would think he is *cough* capable.

Edit; added pics of other hybrid big cats
Dog Demon
Dec 8 2004, 01:18 AM
That Liger is really pretty though!
Mad Manfred
Dec 8 2004, 01:40 AM
Cool. Now lets see if we can breed the one humped Camel with the two humped Camel!
Liger's...are they the same as Bengal Tigers? Are they now a seperate species? How often has this occured? Why would it occur? Tigers and Lions are miles apart...the only way a Liger could be born is if the trainers got bored and put them together in the same cage.
Panthera leo atrox
Dec 8 2004, 03:25 AM
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I wonder if he will be allowed to breed with other cats.
They probably won't have to worry about him breeding with any of the other cats, male hybrids such as ligers and tigons are almost always sterile.
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Edit; added pics of other hybrid big cats
The last two are leucistic, not hybrid, cats.
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Liger's...are they the same as Bengal Tigers? Are they now a seperate species? How often has this occured? Why would it occur? Tigers and Lions are miles apart...the only way a Liger could be born is if the trainers got bored and put them together in the same cage.
A liger is a lion/tiger hybrid, not the same thing as a bengal tiger. I don't know about being their own species, but they are different from lions and tigers. It happens quite often in captivity.
AtticusBlueprint
Dec 8 2004, 03:31 AM
Deb: What are you drawing?
Napoleon Dynamite: A liger.
Deb: What's a liger?
Napoleon Dynamite: It's pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.
zudo
Dec 8 2004, 04:08 AM
Question1: What would happen if a person raped a chimp?
Question2: Why would they do that anyway?
comon people, be creative!
Frosty
Dec 8 2004, 04:23 AM
Could we start breeding eagles and lions to make Griffins?
Elfstone810
Dec 8 2004, 04:53 AM
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Edit; added pics of other hybrid big cats
The last two are leucistic, not hybrid, cats.
What does leucistic mean?
Anyway, they're ALL gorgeous! I just want to cuddle them.
Well, except maybe for "liger3". He looks a little cranky. Reminds me of a gang member with a funky hairdo.
The kittens are SOOOOOOO precious!
(Sorry, cat lover going all gushy here.

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Loretta
C-iscus
Dec 8 2004, 08:40 AM
cute...
now lets mate bigfoot with chupacabra!
Clobhair-cean
Dec 8 2004, 02:08 PM
I've seen a programme on tv about these lion/tiger hybrids, and they said an interesting thing: One of the two(Liger or Tigron or what) lack a hormone which is supposed to stop them from growing, so they are extremely huge. they are so big that they would die of famine in nature caouse they eat so much.
Chimps raping: There was a chimp in the US. who was very humanlike... he waspretty famous, but I can't remember the name... he raised some speculations... Also, some wiseguy raping a chimp could be the cause of the AIDS epidemic...
Shadowsleet
Dec 8 2004, 02:33 PM
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Also, some wiseguy raping a chimp could be the cause of the AIDS epidemic...
Raping? No....AIDs is thought to have started with the practice in some parts of Africa eating chimps. Which is absolutely disgusting...that's like beating down the door of your cousin, and eating him.
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I have also read that some hybrid animals are unabel to breed. My family used to breed mules (donkey/horse) for farm use before tractors were affordable for small farmers. The mules were not capable to breed due to lack of equipment. Looking at the pic of Zita, one would think he is *cough* capable.
This is because horses and donkeys aren't the same species.
In order to qualify as the same species, two groups of animals must be able to reproduce to create fertile young. While close relatives, such as the horse and donkey, or in the case of this thread the tiger and lion, are capable of having young, the young are sterile, and therefore the parents are not biologically the same species.
Nosferatu
Dec 8 2004, 03:05 PM
i never thought something like this was possible.. 2 different species of cat breeding together and it working. either way i think is is amazing and it opens the door for so mane other things that i never thought possible could be.
Dezmond
Dec 8 2004, 04:43 PM
I do know they do this with chickens and horses/donkeys but i never heard of this.
It sounds really cool
Long ago, outside the old city of Singapore, which was considered to be the city of Lions, there was reported to be giant brown beasts. This was before the Asiatic lion was reduced to such low numbers that their are now less than 200 left in the Gir forest. This huge animal might just be an explanation for this myth, for he is neither a lion nor a tiger, but he is about the size of both of them combined. The liger is the
world's largest big cat. An average male liger weighs over
900 pounds and standing almost 12 feet tall. Liger SourceThis is a very interesting web-site and has a picture of a Liger towering over its 2 trainers. It is HUGE! As the site says they are the largest cat in the world. It also explains the differences between different mating equations. Male tiger and female lion and vice versa, etc.
Michelle
Dec 8 2004, 05:16 PM
How beautiful...all of them.

I would take on in a heart beat if it needed a home. Course I'd have to have a place and raise cattle to feed it.
Dezmond
Dec 8 2004, 05:16 PM
@joc from your link
The reason that they are called a liger is because the father was a lion and the mother was a tiger. If the situation was reversed and the mother was a lion and the father was a tiger, he would be called a tigon, and would be a dwarf instead of a giant. A fully grown tigon is usually less that 350lbs. Ligers are not sterile, and they can reproduce. If a liger were to reproduce with a tiger, it would be called a titi, and if it were to reproduce with a lion, it would be call a
lili. I would like to have a lili,
LOL
Elfstone810
Dec 8 2004, 05:28 PM
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This is a very interesting web-site and has a picture of a Liger towering over its 2 trainers.
I WANT HIM!
I want him I want him I want him!
Give me him now!

WAH
Loretta
Apocalyptic Cryptid
Dec 8 2004, 08:35 PM
what do they do it anyways.... the creatures are like mutants... they ......GRR just dont like the idea.....
DJ_5150
Dec 8 2004, 11:14 PM
I think the idea is fun but the fact that it actually happend isn't natural and I dissagree with doing it on purpose. Along those lines it's also fun to think about if we crossed a chimp with a person but we don't because its un-natural.
Insight
Dec 8 2004, 11:41 PM
That's the coolest looking cat I have seen since the bobcat/domesticated hybrid cat that I saw once.
Panthera leo atrox
Dec 8 2004, 11:59 PM
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What does leucistic mean?
Leucism is similar to albinism, but there is still some black pigment present. All known white lions and tigers are leucistic.
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Ligers are not sterile, and they can reproduce.
Males are usually sterile.
darkmoonlady
Dec 9 2004, 01:26 AM
the most interesting thing about tiger/lion crosses is a thing called Hybrid vigour, what an earlier poster call a lack of a growth hormone prohibitor. I am not sure if that is the reason but tiger lion crosses can be really huge. There are hundreds if not thousands of them as crosses like these became "conversation pieces" for folks back in the late sixties and seventies. The big cat sanctuary Shambala run by Tippy Hedron of "The Birds" fame, have several of these hybrids and many of them were bred on purpose. The first were accidental or experimental, and somewhere on the net is a really great article about attempted crosses in cats and other animals, some with interesting results, some with sad ones were the offspring were born but not what you would really call viable. Many people thought that King cheetahs were a cross between cheetahs and leopards until genetic testing revealed they were either a subtle subspecies or just a coat mutation amongst regular cheetahs. There have been many (although rare in the whole equine world) examples of mules having offspring. Many aren't bred because they are thought to be sterile and then nature takes its course and a mule gives birth. I usually see once a year somewhere around the world a mule has a foal. There are people who breed zebras and horses together for a zorse and a zebra and donkey together for a zonkey. These are thought to be sterile as well but just like mules they are rarely bred themselves. I know of one breeder who will sometime next year have a mini zorse from breeding a miniature horse to a zebra. The most interesting cross I have seen is crossing a zebra with a paint horse and it had spots and stripes.
Panthera leo atrox
Dec 9 2004, 03:57 AM
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The most interesting cross I have seen is crossing a zebra with a paint horse and it had spots and stripes.
That sounds beautiful.
This is an excellent resourse with lots of interesting info on felid hybrids
http://members.aol.com/jshartwell/hybrid-bigcats.html
bigdog112
Dec 9 2004, 05:24 AM
QUOTE(Tia @ Dec 7 2004, 10:04 PM)
Shilo said that the “miracle cub” was christened Zita, and will remain in the zoo. But what will happen to the cub in the future, “no one can say”. Source.
A perfect example, no one knows what will happen to the cub in the future.
It's a proven fact now with a lot of designer dog breeds that they have multiple health problems.
This wouldn't have happened in the wild, maybe that's natures way of telling us something.
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Very good looking animal if the strips where any darker he could easly blend in. He looks very healthy I think he will live a vary long life or at least I hope so. Would be good if they can recreate the situation and make a female liger from other parents to start breeding some. If this liger was born with out help from a test tub he is born from nature. Sometimes designer dog breeds are made unnaturally that I believe causes the problems.
Canadian Rottweiler
Dec 9 2004, 09:26 AM
Here is another pic i found of a Liger...
emma_pen
Dec 9 2004, 09:40 AM
This hybridisation only happens in captivity. Deliberate breeding of different species for no good reason. It does not help with conservation, education or anything else other than 'tourism'. Yes, the ligers are pretty, but certainly NOT what nature intended. And they undoubtedly suffer from certain health conditions, associated with all bad breeding, whether that be with puppy farms and backyard dog breeders, to ridiculous pairing in the Zoo. It disgusts me, as this would not happen 'by accident'. How could it happen by accident? In the wild these two species would never encounter each other, and even if they did, they would undoubetly keep seperate territory or fight to the death. What next?
Mad Manfred
Dec 9 2004, 12:49 PM
Does anyone have a picture of a fully grown Liger with a human so we can see the comparison?
I want to see how big these buggers can get
Mad Manfred
Dec 9 2004, 05:42 PM
HOLY CRAP ON A STICK BATMAN!
bigdog112
Dec 10 2004, 06:29 AM
QUOTE(emma_pen @ Dec 9 2004, 09:40 AM)
This hybridisation only happens in captivity. Deliberate breeding of different species for no good reason. It does not help with conservation, education or anything else other than 'tourism'. Yes, the ligers are pretty, but certainly NOT what nature intended. And they undoubtedly suffer from certain health conditions, associated with all bad breeding, whether that be with puppy farms and backyard dog breeders, to ridiculous pairing in the Zoo. It disgusts me, as this would not happen 'by accident'. How could it happen by accident? In the wild these two species would never encounter each other, and even if they did, they would undoubetly keep seperate territory or fight to the death. What next?

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Actually dogs are the only animal that has many problems with hybrid breeding because they have bin many hybrid and inbred breeds. Many times that’s why dogs have high chance for diseases like cancer diabetes arthritis ect …
But a lion and tiger are pure natural animals with little if any hybrid ancestors and inbreeding so a liger would have a very good chance of being very healthy.
girty1600
Dec 10 2004, 06:48 AM
QUOTE(Elfstone810 @ Dec 7 2004, 11:53 PM)
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Edit; added pics of other hybrid big cats
The last two are leucistic, not hybrid, cats.
What does leucistic mean?
Anyway, they're ALL gorgeous! I just want to cuddle them.
Well, except maybe for "liger3". He looks a little cranky. Reminds me of a gang member with a funky hairdo.
The kittens are SOOOOOOO precious!
(Sorry, cat lover going all gushy here.

)
Loretta
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The last two pics are "white" breeds of big cats. Not to be confussed with albinos, that would be a genetic mutation.
The white panther is quite interesting because he has dark eyes, not blue or pink.
The white lion has pinkish gums and a birthmark that is dark.
Very ineresting specimins in my opinion and ALL the pics came from a hybrid site.
C-iscus
Dec 10 2004, 04:33 PM
i got it!
bigfoot is hybrid human gorilla.
Panthera leo atrox
Dec 10 2004, 11:53 PM
Leucism (white big cats), like albinism, is a mutation, not quite a "breed".
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