In this tale of toil and trouble, one of confusion, deception, denial, reality and religion, let me first start out with one simple fact. The burning bush was that of a creosote bush. The questions are, why a creosote bush and who started the fire?
Many desert plants can start afire by lightening, but even so, most all desert floras will go out as soon as the fire has consumed the majority of the kindle. Say for instance the burning bush was a sage. This would have been a very appropriate bush to choose (sage) so to speak, and like the creosote it is also plentiful in the Sinai but a fire would have only burned for maybe 15 to 20 minutes. And then what? Would Moses have found himself on commandment number four when the fire went out. Did God just die from lack of fuel?
No, it couldn't have been your typical dry sage type bush or the like. Because of that conclusion, the bush had to be that of the creosote bush. Why the creosote bush? Was it because a fire would last for hours due to the pitch burning? Most likely. Can lightening strike a creosote bush and set it afire? Probably not, due to its wet oily properties. So who set the bush on fire and why the creosote bush? Why not "just" a voice from the sky instead of both?
Lets look at the creosote's properties. The pitch of the creosote is a coal tar, which today we have discovered is a nasty carcinogen. Carcinogens cause cancer, which is a disease that can be cured today if caught in its "early stages" for many. Coal tar manufactures "free radicals" in the body that destroy our cells, which is responsible for most all cancers. Is the creosote a metaphor for "free radicals"? What is the metaphor for a "free radical"? It appears that the Ten Commandments were essentially given to us through a "free radical" carcinogen “the creosote bush” for a reason.
What I see is that it represents the fact that living in sin will make us sick and we will not live a long life. Not living by the word is a disease and if not caught in its early stages, the disease will develop and death will come sooner then it should have. This does not mean that if you sin you will get cancer or if you have cancer you are a sinner. Instead, it is just a simple metaphor, parable or example, which means if you can catch your cancer "sin" in the early stages and stop the things you are doing you will live a longer life. Not to mention you won't wear it in death either if that is your fear. Considering that someone with great knowledge knew those things, I say it was both, the creosote and the voices from the sky.
The largest use we have for creosote is as a preservative used for the preservation of the telephone pole. Creosote is that brown sticky, stinky stuff found on all telephone poles. We have millions upon millions of crucifixes all over the earth serving as a message of the reminder of the burning bush and the Ten Commandments. Preservatives are used to make things last. The vision we have of Jesus hanging on the crucifix and his works have lasted over 2000 years. That is one of long lasting preservation.
So why the telephone pole? Because, it is a sign of communication to one another and is a sign of communication across the waters with other nations. It is simply a sign, and a sign of the times. A Tower of Babel of sorts as well. If you are on dial up, you are communicating on one right now. What kind of messages are you sending.
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My message is that I "read ya" babe. Where did you or should I say who gave you such thoughts?
THAT'S PRETTY BRAZEN OF YOU! GOT ANYMORE OF THOSE SCENARIOS?
In this tale of toil and trouble, one of confusion, deception, denial, reality and religion, let me first start out with one simple fact. The burning bush was that of a creosote bush. The questions are, why a creosote bush and who started the fire?
I guess if you totally take God out of the picture you have to explain the burning of a bush any way you can. But you don't seem to account for the fact that Moses's observation was that of a green and fresh bush, on fire, but was not burnt by it. The fire did not touch the plant. The plant did not experience any effects of heat.
Many desert plants can start afire by lightening, but even so, most all desert floras will go out as soon as the fire has consumed the majority of the kindle.
The bible never talks about lightning starting the fire.
Say for instance the burning bush was a sage. This would have been a very appropriate bush to choose (sage) so to speak, and like the creosote it is also plentiful in the Sinai but a fire would have only burned for maybe 15 to 20 minutes. And then what? Would Moses have found himself on commandment number four when the fire went out. Did God just die from lack of fuel?
Actually, Moses did not recieve the ten commandments from the burning bush. I'm, not sure where you think you are getting your information from, but no biblical texts states that the ten commendments were recieved through the burning bush.
Here is what actually happened:
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.
Now, you obviously have no knowledge of the bible to make such a strange claims as the ones you have made here. I suggest you do some actual reseach into what you are talking about. The fact that you thought moses recieved the ten commandments from the bush shows an emmense amount of ignorance and faolley regarding these things. He didn't receive the ten commandments until LONG after that incedent.
No, it couldn't have been your typical dry sage type bush or the like. Because of that conclusion, the bush had to be that of the creosote bush. Why the creosote bush? Was it because a fire would last for hours due to the pitch burning?
Regardless of how much pitch was on it, it clearly states that the bush was not consumed. If pitch was burning on the bush, the leaves would have been burnt off very quickly. Or at the VERY least, burnt.
Most likely. Can lightening strike a creosote bush and set it afire? Probably not, due to its wet oily properties. So who set the bush on fire and why the creosote bush? Why not "just" a voice from the sky instead of both?
You really do not have any idea of what you are talking about here. The bush you speak of is a fine conclusion, but based on the massive amount of mistakes you have made up until this point regarding this subject, you are totally discredited.
Lets look at the creosote's properties. The pitch of the creosote is a coal tar, which today we have discovered is a nasty carcinogen. Carcinogens cause cancer, which is a disease that can be cured today if caught in its "early stages" for many. Coal tar manufactures "free radicals" in the body that destroy our cells, which is responsible for most all cancers. Is the creosote a metaphor for "free radicals"? What is the metaphor for a "free radical"? It appears that the Ten Commandments were essentially given to us through a "free radical" carcinogen “the creosote bush” for a reason.
*laughs* You didn't even READ the bible to know this! You are hilarious! The commandments were never given by a bush! Why do you think they were? Where did you get that wild and crazy idea?
And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. 2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. 3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. 4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone. 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
As you can plainly see, the First ORIGINAL tablets, and the concepts, of the ten commandments were imprated to Moses on Mount Sinai. Moses came down, found the people worshipping a golden calf, and was so pissed off he smashed them. God told him to make new ones. And he did.
What made you think that the ten commandments were given to moses by the bush? That's just bizzare, and totally discredits everything you say. Not that I didn't agree with some of what you said, but your facts were all completely wrong. No offense intended.
I guess if you totally take God out of the picture you have to explain the burning of a bush any way you can. But you don't seem to account for the fact that Moses's observation was that of a green and fresh bush, on fire, but was not burnt by it. The fire did not touch the plant. The plant did not experience any effects of heat.
Many desert plants can start afire by lightening, but even so, most all desert floras will go out as soon as the fire has consumed the majority of the kindle.
The bible never talks about lightning starting the fire.
Say for instance the burning bush was a sage. This would have been a very appropriate bush to choose (sage) so to speak, and like the creosote it is also plentiful in the Sinai but a fire would have only burned for maybe 15 to 20 minutes. And then what? Would Moses have found himself on commandment number four when the fire went out. Did God just die from lack of fuel?
Actually, Moses did not recieve the ten commandments from the burning bush. I'm, not sure where you think you are getting your information from, but no biblical texts states that the ten commendments were recieved through the burning bush.
Here is what actually happened:
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.
Now, you obviously have no knowledge of the bible to make such a strange claims as the ones you have made here. I suggest you do some actual reseach into what you are talking about. The fact that you thought moses recieved the ten commandments from the bush shows an emmense amount of ignorance and faolley regarding these things. He didn't receive the ten commandments until LONG after that incedent.
No, it couldn't have been your typical dry sage type bush or the like. Because of that conclusion, the bush had to be that of the creosote bush. Why the creosote bush? Was it because a fire would last for hours due to the pitch burning?
Regardless of how much pitch was on it, it clearly states that the bush was not consumed. If pitch was burning on the bush, the leaves would have been burnt off very quickly. Or at the VERY least, burnt.
Most likely. Can lightening strike a creosote bush and set it afire? Probably not, due to its wet oily properties. So who set the bush on fire and why the creosote bush? Why not "just" a voice from the sky instead of both?
You really do not have any idea of what you are talking about here. The bush you speak of is a fine conclusion, but based on the massive amount of mistakes you have made up until this point regarding this subject, you are totally discredited.
Lets look at the creosote's properties. The pitch of the creosote is a coal tar, which today we have discovered is a nasty carcinogen. Carcinogens cause cancer, which is a disease that can be cured today if caught in its "early stages" for many. Coal tar manufactures "free radicals" in the body that destroy our cells, which is responsible for most all cancers. Is the creosote a metaphor for "free radicals"? What is the metaphor for a "free radical"? It appears that the Ten Commandments were essentially given to us through a "free radical" carcinogen “the creosote bush” for a reason.
*laughs* You didn't even READ the bible to know this! You are hilarious! The commandments were never given by a bush! Why do you think they were? Where did you get that wild and crazy idea?
And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. 2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. 3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. 4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone. 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
As you can plainly see, the First ORIGINAL tablets, and the concepts, of the ten commandments were imprated to Moses on Mount Sinai. Moses came down, found the people worshipping a golden calf, and was so pissed off he smashed them. God told him to make new ones. And he did.
What made you think that the ten commandments were given to moses by the bush? That's just bizzare, and totally discredits everything you say. Not that I didn't agree with some of what you said, but your facts were all completely wrong. No offense intended.
C'mon, we all know the burning bush was a cannabis plant. How else would he think god is talking to him?
HEY, INSIGHT! You need some insight. The writer was not saying that the bush spoke to Moses. She was implying that there was a bush, and it was burning. Why the bush to begin with. Why not just a voice.
The bush is representative of something. Many times items are used whenever such powerful speeches takes place. Eve had her apple, Jesus had his cup, the Israelites had their ark. Come on guy.
The whole reason for her story had nothing to do with anything other then - "it is just a simple metaphor, parable or example, which means if you can catch your cancer "sin" in the early stages and stop the things you are doing you will live a longer life." Well, we know that's true now, don't we. I think you completely understood her intent. I myself think it is a great parable for the creosote bush. AND, the creosote is like a rubber tire - it burns for hours upon hours. Maybe they just didn't want Moses to fall over things in the dark. Speaking of the dark, you had some pretty harsh things to say.
The bush is representative of something. Many times items are used whenever such powerful speeches takes place. Eve had her apple, Jesus had his cup, the Israelites had their ark. Come on guy.
The whole reason for her story had nothing to do with anything other then - "it is just a simple metaphor, parable or example, which means if you can catch your cancer "sin" in the early stages and stop the things you are doing you will live a longer life." Well, we know that's true now, don't we. I think you completely understood her intent. I myself think it is a great parable for the creosote bush. AND, the creosote is like a rubber tire - it burns for hours upon hours. Maybe they just didn't want Moses to fall over things in the dark. Speaking of the dark, you had some pretty harsh things to say.
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 7 2004, 08:53 PM)
HEY, INSIGHT! You need some insight. The writer was not saying that the bush spoke to Moses. She was implying that there was a bush, and it was burning. Why the bush to begin with. Why not just a voice.
The bush is representative of something. Many times items are used whenever such powerful speeches takes place. Eve had her apple, Jesus had his cup, the Israelites had their ark. Come on guy.
The whole reason for her story had nothing to do with anything other then - "it is just a simple metaphor, parable or example, which means if you can catch your cancer "sin" in the early stages and stop the things you are doing you will live a longer life." Well, we know that's true now, don't we. I think you completely understood her intent. I myself think it is a great parable for the creosote bush. AND, the creosote is like a rubber tire - it burns for hours upon hours. Maybe they just didn't want Moses to fall over things in the dark. Speaking of the dark, you had some pretty harsh things to say.
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The bush is representative of something. Many times items are used whenever such powerful speeches takes place. Eve had her apple, Jesus had his cup, the Israelites had their ark. Come on guy.
The whole reason for her story had nothing to do with anything other then - "it is just a simple metaphor, parable or example, which means if you can catch your cancer "sin" in the early stages and stop the things you are doing you will live a longer life." Well, we know that's true now, don't we. I think you completely understood her intent. I myself think it is a great parable for the creosote bush. AND, the creosote is like a rubber tire - it burns for hours upon hours. Maybe they just didn't want Moses to fall over things in the dark. Speaking of the dark, you had some pretty harsh things to say.
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Okay, I see what you are saying. And I agree.
Frosty, you made me laugh out loud!! nice one
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Why not "just" a voice from the sky instead of both?
Why not it is only mythology since there is no historical, archaeological or written evidence of Moses or the Exodus. All the surrounding lands were literate and keep very good records and would have recorded the passage of several million nomads, probably would have had their military scouts out watching for any hostile action overt or covert! Even the Israelis are starting to admit there was no Exodus, no matter how much claim it gives them to Palestine!
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 8 2004, 04:18 AM)
C'mon, we all know the burning bush was a cannabis plant. How else would he think god is talking to him?
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Maybe the bush was looking for weapons of mass distruction.
Why not evolution? It is only mythology, since there is no historical, archaeological or written evidence of evolution. All the surrounding lands were literate and keep very good records and would have recorded the passage of several million species evolving around them spontaneously.
QUOTE(squweekie @ Dec 8 2004, 04:53 AM)
Eve had her apple, Jesus had his cup, the Israelites had their ark. Come on guy.
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Commun guy
there is no mention of an apple... just the mention of a fruitGenisis 3
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom,
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Why not evolution? It is only mythology, since there is no historical, archaeological or written evidence of evolution
Ah, but there is! Explain drug resistant Tuberculosis, the modern American Bison, a direct descendent of the Giant Bison of the Ice Age (yes, there are transisional fossils). There is more than enough evidence for evolution and none at all for Moses, the Exodus, David, Solomon, the Judges, the Conquest!
though the bush seems sybolic they do have holographic technology to stage virtual realities.
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Eve had her apple, Jesus had his cup, the Israelites had their ark. Come on guy.
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there is no mention of an apple... just the mention of a fruitGenisis 3
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom,
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Socrates tells of a tree that grew in the middle of Atlantis and gave meat, milk and lotion. It was probably a coconut tree and atlantis is probably Eden, and the Angel who drove Adam & Eve from the garden with a fiery sword was a comet or asteroid. Can't imagine a coconut being pleasant to the eye although the lotion was considered a beauty potion in the ancient world.
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 8 2004, 04:18 AM)
C'mon, we all know the burning bush was a cannabis plant. How else would he think god is talking to him?
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YOU WIN
fabulous
I applaud thee, very interesting, what do you think the bible and quran is, how can you say their are no rcords?
QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 8 2004, 04:10 AM)
What made you think that the ten commandments were given to moses by the bush? That's just bizzare, and totally discredits everything you say...
Now, you obviously have no knowledge of the bible to make such a strange claims as the ones you have made here. I suggest you do some actual reseach into what you are talking about. The fact that you thought moses recieved the ten commandments from the bush shows an emmense amount of ignorance and faolley regarding these things. He didn't receive the ten commandments until LONG after that incedent....
You really do not have any idea of what you are talking about here. The bush you speak of is a fine conclusion, but based on the massive amount of mistakes you have made up until this point regarding this subject, you are totally discredited...
*laughs* You didn't even READ the bible to know this! You are hilarious! The commandments were never given by a bush! Why do you think they were? Where did you get that wild and crazy idea?
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Now, you obviously have no knowledge of the bible to make such a strange claims as the ones you have made here. I suggest you do some actual reseach into what you are talking about. The fact that you thought moses recieved the ten commandments from the bush shows an emmense amount of ignorance and faolley regarding these things. He didn't receive the ten commandments until LONG after that incedent....
You really do not have any idea of what you are talking about here. The bush you speak of is a fine conclusion, but based on the massive amount of mistakes you have made up until this point regarding this subject, you are totally discredited...
*laughs* You didn't even READ the bible to know this! You are hilarious! The commandments were never given by a bush! Why do you think they were? Where did you get that wild and crazy idea?
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Way to misinterpret a perfectly simple post you dolt! You abused the guy about something that you got completely wrong, most amusing! Not to mention a bit embarassing most likely...
The burning bush is not the miracle in this story, it was just God's way of getting Moses' attention. The miracle is that Moses, an exiled prince raised in the house of the king of Egypt, heard the cry of his people for freedom and answered the call of God to liberate his people. The miracle is that he threw away his life of privelege and pursued justice for the Israelites...
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