Mad Manfred
Dec 9 2004, 01:51 AM
There is a one million dollar reward for those that can prove their powers.
This is your chance to prove all us closed minded skeptics wrong and rub it in our faces.
Go to the main front page news to see the article.
PS. To those who keep claiming to have extraordinary powers: put up or shut up. It's one thing to "practice" your powers and learn of them (as I do) and discuss them with others, it's quite another to continuously claim proof or claim you have these powers without actually providing some evidence.
BurnSide
Dec 9 2004, 01:53 AM
Sorry Manfred, trying to get through to these children is like trying to make a brick jump.
If they actually take the time away from their RPG fantasy realms, they'll tell you that they don't want to be seen as guinea pigs because of their powers and their powers are more important to them than a million bucks, yadda yadda yadda same old likely excuses.
They've been proven flase so many times it's uncountable but still they remain stubborn and unwilling to listen to the reason of the real world.
(The challenge has been around actually for years)
TooFarGone
Dec 9 2004, 01:56 AM
Is this the James randi prize? "Cuz he had one for this stuff.
Insight
Dec 9 2004, 02:01 AM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Dec 8 2004, 05:53 PM)
Sorry Manfred, trying to get through to these children is like trying to make a brick jump.
If they actually take the time away from their RPG fantasy realms, they'll tell you that they don't want to be seen as guinea pigs because of their powers and their powers are more important to them than a million bucks, yadda yadda yadda same old likely excuses.
They've been proven flase so many times it's uncountable but still they remain stubborn and unwilling to listen to the reason of the real world.
(The challenge has been around actually for years)
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*Bows in honor of Burnsides statement.*
I'm actually going to copy, paste, and save what you said, if you do not mind.
BurnSide
Dec 9 2004, 02:14 AM
I do not mind at all. Although i have made better posts on the subject and even stumped them countless times, to which they resort to simple flaming and attacking instead of defending their 'powers'.
Would you believe Insight that i have been called a 'Stupid Turd'. hahaha, hardly the wisdom of someone mature.
Sirius147
Dec 9 2004, 02:29 AM
ooh ooh! i agree i agree!! i agree with burnside and insight!
gufzoo
Dec 9 2004, 02:43 AM
QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 9 2004, 02:01 AM)
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Dec 8 2004, 05:53 PM)
Sorry Manfred, trying to get through to these children is like trying to make a brick jump.
If they actually take the time away from their RPG fantasy realms, they'll tell you that they don't want to be seen as guinea pigs because of their powers and their powers are more important to them than a million bucks, yadda yadda yadda same old likely excuses.
They've been proven flase so many times it's uncountable but still they remain stubborn and unwilling to listen to the reason of the real world.
(The challenge has been around actually for years)
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*Bows in honor of Burnsides statement.*
I'm actually going to copy, paste, and save what you said, if you do not mind.
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Using my psychic vision, I can see that Insight has a little "brown stuff" on his nose right now...
That'll be one million dollars to me, please.
_hAiLO_
Dec 9 2004, 02:46 AM
lol....I had a precognition vision that this topic would soon appear!! oOoOoOo.......GAZE unto my powers!!

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BurnSide
Dec 9 2004, 02:47 AM
I'd like to add that i mean no offense to anyone in particular, i actually get along with most people and just because our, beliefs, conflict i don't want to cause wars over it.
Sorry gufs, i don't see any brown nosing in the fact that Insight wants to save my post for later. I am afterall full of wisdom.

Sarcasm intended for you of course.
gufzoo
Dec 9 2004, 02:53 AM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Dec 9 2004, 02:47 AM)
Sorry gufs, i don't see any brown nosing in the fact that Insight wants to save my post for later. I am afterall full of wisdom.

Sarcasm intended for you of course.

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Of course you don't see it, BS! You're not psychic.
See, if I can't even prove this to you, then how am I gonna prove it to whatshisface to get me my million???
Is psychic stuff legit reason to win the million, by the way, or do I need to screw up his tv with EK or something like that?
Oh, and in a totally non-brown-nosing way, of course, congrats on not making the forum implode!
SoulSlayer_X
Dec 9 2004, 02:54 AM
Rofl... It's good to be back. Welcome to the forums, Insight.
BurnSide
Dec 9 2004, 02:57 AM
Well gufs, you wont be proving it to him by way of internet forums, all you need to do is show him your abilities, for example all arwenpotter needs to do is show him one of the, what is it now, 15 abilities she boasts, and she'll win a million bucks.
i'd take that in a second!
_hAiLO_
Dec 9 2004, 02:58 AM
Welcome back Soul Slayer

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Of course you don't see it, BS! You're not psychic.
See, if I can't even prove this to you, then how am I gonna prove it to whatshisface to get me my million???
Yes yes...videos are easily rejected as fraud. There is almost no way in proving it unless we come to your house

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QUOTE(Burnside)
all you need to do is show him your abilities
Go to his house? If someone were to go over there and prove it, I don't think this guy would keep his promise...more likely waste your money in airline tickets.
But I would rather have someone show Psi to someone willing to spread the word, not pay me a million

. Wouldn't you? Then all other explanations come barging in

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BurnSide
Dec 9 2004, 03:12 AM
If the guy is willing to spend a million bucks, i'm sure he could buy a plane ticket for ya.

And i'm pretty sure he's willing to spread the word afterwards, thats his whole intention, to reveal the world of psychic powers to the non-believers. He just needs the proof first, and has get gotten nothing. nadda.
Diebytheflyguy
Dec 9 2004, 03:21 AM
QUOTE(Hailo_hellFIRE @ Dec 8 2004, 09:58 PM)
Go to his house? If someone were to go over there and prove it, I don't think this guy would keep his promise...more likely waste your money in airline tickets.
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Excuses, excuses.
His offer is all over the net, I'm sure he'll keep his part of the bargin. How about you call up a television station (I'm sure many will take the job) and make sure that he pays cause you will have video evidence, and witnesses.
Insight
Dec 9 2004, 03:26 AM
Stupid turd you say? How devilishly clever.
Using my psychic vision, I can see that Insight has a little "brown stuff" on his nose right now...
That'll be one million dollars to me, please.
So just because I agree with someone I am brown nosing? Give me a break. I copyed the post so I could repost it later as a response to the all powerful children who plague these forums. Besides, what would I have to gain by sucking up to anyone? Is your opinion of me really that low? Come on now.
Of course you don't see it, BS! You're not psychic.
See, if I can't even prove this to you, then how am I gonna prove it to whatshisface to get me my million???
Perhaps you should visit the web site and learn what his citeria is?
Is psychic stuff legit reason to win the million, by the way, or do I need to screw up his tv with EK or something like that?
Perhaps you should visit the web site and learn what his citeria is?
Rofl... It's good to be back. Welcome to the forums, Insight.
Uhhh....what are you talking about? I've been here for awhile. Oh wait, you are back under a different name. I get it now.
gufzoo
Dec 9 2004, 03:33 AM
QUOTE(Insight @ Dec 9 2004, 03:26 AM)
Stupid turd you say? How devilishly clever.
Using my psychic vision, I can see that Insight has a little "brown stuff" on his nose right now...
That'll be one million dollars to me, please.
So just because I agree with someone I am brown nosing? Give me a break. I copyed the post so I could repost it later as a response to the all powerful children who plague these forums. Besides, what would I have to gain by sucking up to anyone? Is your opinion of me really that low? Come on now.
Of course you don't see it, BS! You're not psychic.
See, if I can't even prove this to you, then how am I gonna prove it to whatshisface to get me my million???
Perhaps you should visit the web site and learn what his citeria is?
Is psychic stuff legit reason to win the million, by the way, or do I need to screw up his tv with EK or something like that?
Perhaps you should visit the web site and learn what his citeria is?
Rofl... It's good to be back. Welcome to the forums, Insight.
Uhhh....what are you talking about? I've been here for awhile. Oh wait, you are back under a different name. I get it now.
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Chill, Insight. You make fun of people all the time, for their grammar, spelling, age, beliefs, etc. Exhibit A: "so I could repost it later as a response to the all powerful children who plague these forums". Nice, real nice...
By the way, what exactly is citeria?
Oh, and SoulSlayer is an old member who left for a while. Welcome back

by the way!
FrostWarrior
Dec 9 2004, 03:49 AM
my parents dont know about it. im a minor. He does this a couple of states from where i live.
Insight
Dec 9 2004, 03:57 AM
By the way, what exactly is citeria?
I have absolutely no idea. I haven't even been to the site in question. *shrugs*
In any case this is my 1000th post. I suppose I should say "Yay for me" or something to that extent. *shrugs again*
Sirius147
Dec 9 2004, 05:05 AM
YaY
Xenojjin
Dec 9 2004, 05:12 AM
We should make one James Randi topic , and pin it . Making a new one every month is getting retarded .
Insight
Dec 9 2004, 05:23 AM
I fully agree. Get behind me with this one:
PIN THE POST!
PIN THE POST!
PIN THE POST!
PsycicPoida
Dec 9 2004, 05:38 AM
I would be more than happy to make a video and show it to U but I don't have a webcam

and U guys wouldn't be veryinterested with someone spinning the psiwheel
Insight
Dec 9 2004, 07:07 AM
Freeze some water then. You don't need a web cam if you have a video camera. Besides, your average web cam costs 25 bucks.
Elfstone810
Dec 9 2004, 10:09 AM
QUOTE
By the way, what exactly is citeria?
I have absolutely no idea. I haven't even been to the site in question. *shrugs*
*Sighs. Shakes head.*
Gufzoo was pointing out that you don't know how to spell "criteria".
Mad Manfred
Dec 9 2004, 12:51 PM
Poida...if you have an ability screw posting here...go claim your million.
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Gufzoo was pointing out that you don't know how to spell "criteria".
Looked like a typo.
_hAiLO_
Dec 9 2004, 12:54 PM
QUOTE(Elfstone810 @ Dec 9 2004, 02:09 AM)
QUOTE
By the way, what exactly is citeria?
I have absolutely no idea. I haven't even been to the site in question. *shrugs*
*Sighs. Shakes head.*
Gufzoo was pointing out that you don't know how to spell "criteria".

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....so?
A criteria is when a statement or rule in which a judgement can be based. There is no judgement in Psi right now on either side, Skeptic of Believer.
No Skeptic in this forum has ever taken the wits to explain all of the phenomenon and make any sense....so far anyone who tried only brought up text/words, not proof.
No Believer has ever proven it before. They have only brought it up as a true phenomenon, but not exactly as an in-your-face evidence that Psi does exist.
Why do you think that James Randi is any different? Is he trying to debunk the phenomenon of trying to enlighten it...or just wants plain entertainment.
aquatus1
Dec 9 2004, 02:35 PM
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No Skeptic in this forum has ever taken the wits to explain all of the phenomenon and make any sense....so far anyone who tried only brought up text/words, not proof.
I beg your pardon? I have, on multiple occasions, shown believers exactly what they needed to do in order to confirm the phenomena they claim to be able to do. They insist on only doing the silly experiments found on the psychic websites. I have also provided in depth explanations of various different subjective phenomena, including references and sources. Short of going to their home state/country, there is little more that could be done.
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Why do you think that James Randi is any different? Is he trying to debunk the phenomenon of trying to enlighten it...or just wants plain entertainment.
No question about it. He is trying to debunk. That does not, however, invalidate his methods. He himself is removed from the judging process. The criteria for the experiment is worked out long before the test actually occurs, and is agreed upon by all, and his judges are a panel of scientists and magicians who's names and credentials are publicly available.
_hAiLO_
Dec 9 2004, 02:48 PM
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I beg your pardon? I have, on multiple occasions, shown believers exactly what they needed to do in order to confirm the phenomena they claim to be able to do. They insist on only doing the silly experiments found on the psychic websites. I have also provided in depth explanations of various different subjective phenomena, including references and sources. Short of going to their home state/country, there is little more that could be done.
hehe...oops...I didn't mean it that way. I was trying to state that no skeptic...none have official debunked. I don't think anyone has the right to officially 'dubunk' a phenomenon, unless realy dedicating their life to researching the phenomenon, and proving their explanations true, can they really 'debunk' it. Some skeptics skipped that step and have already claimed their statement. The Big Bang of the universe can be the wrong explanation for example...a hypothetical guess.
You tought me this aquatus1
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No question about it. He is trying to debunk. That does not, however, invalidate his methods. He himself is removed from the judging process. The criteria for the experiment is worked out long before the test actually occurs, and is agreed upon by all, and his judges are a panel of scientists and magicians who's names and credentials are publicly available.
He's also trying to flush out the psions....

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Mr_Mooo_Cow
Dec 9 2004, 09:31 PM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Dec 8 2004, 11:12 PM)
If the guy is willing to spend a million bucks, i'm sure he could buy a plane ticket for ya.

And i'm pretty sure he's willing to spread the word afterwards, thats his whole intention, to reveal the world of psychic powers to the non-believers. He just needs the proof first, and has get gotten nothing. nadda.
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Although I take it you were responding to that other guys comment actually if all you 'ill post about james randi 1 million times' actually read this forum and his site you would know he does not pay for transportation or any living expenses, or all these homeless people would just make up bs to get good living for few days. And there have been several other James Randi threads. Also why do all these skeptics hang around so much, is it because you want to believe? obviously not figuring you argue any chance you get, or rather make unwanted posts. If you read his site it states, "NOTE: No special rules, exceptions, conditions, standards, or favors will be granted without the mutual agreement of those concerned" Obviously he doesn't want, lets just say cheap sh** around him. I am pretty damn sure he doesn't want some 'hands real close' stuff although he does state you can set the rule, but they must compromise to a mutual agreement, then if you read what I said he said he basically contradicts himself. He can deny any setting you want until its what he wants... for those rednecks who still don't get it that means its his rule his money. And another note, "One million dollars in negotiable bonds is held by an investment firm in New York, in the "James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account" as surety for the prize funds." He also says more around the site but basically you can't just pass the tests and take all the money to spend it on whatever you want, he runs a 'educational' program or so its disguised, not to make any false accusations. I know this is getting kind of long and people are too lazy to read up to this line but ill sum it all up for you. You agree to HIS rules for money that will not benefit most people, although it is a rather large amount, its all tagged / predefined money or so to speak. This is why he says, "To date, no one has ever passed the preliminary tests." well no sh** no one can meet the standards. People have their own kinetic standards for reasons, LIMITS. I can't go outside and stop a bulleting train can I? If i tried you wont expect many more posts from me. "Please be advised that several applicants have suffered great personal embarrassment after failing these tests" That is so encouraging, I will just go run over and try! As a final final note for the starter of all useless threads including this one, please save the time of mods and stop making duped threads and blasting out all your anger so ignoratly, I don't view these forums as much as I did in past time, but I assure you the aggravated skeptics will not be going anywhere any time soon. Next time just punch the pillow

If you think we are liars, crazy, insane so be it but don't be so foolish and naive, this world is bigger then you and I not literally speaking, but if you do not understand everything around you already, how can you expect to know something that you do not believe or will ever comprehend, not to say that you are incapable of understanding. Please just be more open minded. People in the past shown what we have today would never have believe it or thought it was witch craft, its the same thing except humans have evolved and it is much harder to prove things, with all the technology and narrow minded people. Its not like it was where things were what they were, there is so much more to be dealt with.

Just let it unravel over time.
aquatus1
Dec 9 2004, 10:06 PM
Well, Moo Cow, I am a skeptic, and I do want to beleive. I refuse to do so, however, if it means giving the supernatural or paranatural any special considerations. Every single phenomena that has ever been explained by science is held up to the same standards, and if it cannot meet them, then it cannot be considered science. The only way that I will believe in the supernatural or the paranatural is if it explained in the same way all the other unexplained mysteries of the past, such as lightning and auroras, were explained.
Concerning Randi: of course he is going to need to set limits. It's an experiment. What sort of experiment doesn't have limits and controls? How would you possibly be able to isolate the cause of a phenomena without removing certain variables? His controls are not by any stretch of the imagination considered unreasonable. If you claim to be able to move a psi-wheel, he will request a wind barrier. If you claim to be able to dowse, he will request that you name an object that you can locate, at which time it will be hidden in a container in front of you, and you will be asked to locate it. The whole reason the rules and regs are there is because psychics are, by and large, somewhat ignorant as to how to properly set up a valid scientific experiment. Heck, chances are pretty good that is why they beleive themselves to have psychic powers in the first place.
Mr_Mooo_Cow
Dec 10 2004, 12:20 AM
I understand where your coming from aquatus, and its very reasonable but things of this nature cannot be confined within the laws of science. Although ill contradict myself by saying the 'theories' behind it do have scientifical meaning. I never meant to give the impression that I do not like skeptics everyone is skeptical of something at one time or another. All people have reasons for believing in what they do, but when I refer to skeptics in a negative way I am mainly refering to those who speak so abruptly and narrow mindedly, those who speak their minds with bad manners. Because skeptics exist there is a need for limits and rules which is obvious. Things of this sort have very fragile limits and are unpredictable, for the most part. So when limits are set things change, maybe the pressure gets to them and they slip up or cannot do what they say they can and get embarrassed to an extent. The 'supernatural' if thats what you will call it does not mix well with people and science as Mr. Randi cleary proves. I would assume it is easier to persuade a skeptic rather then a believer considering if he can reach these feats. Only because you won't refuse to not believe in something you can do personally. Then again its easier to prove that you don't have abilities rather then to prove that you do. But you are free to believe in what you will lets just forget about Randi no more posts about him!!!
aquatus1
Dec 10 2004, 12:29 AM
Agreed, talk of Randi becomes tedious, because, no matter how credible he is, he still remains quite a jerk in personality.
Still, all unexplained things, by definition, are unpredictable. That is what makes them unexplained. Unfortunately, this unpredictability is also a property shared by things which do not exist. How to tell these things apart? The only way is by setting limitations. Within these limitations, we will confirm you wxist. Beyond them, we will not. This does not mean that you never will; it simply means that you have not yet met the limitations.
The supernatural has, many times, been proven by science. What was once though to be the domain of the gods is now everyday household technology. Every single one of these phenomena that once belonged to the realm of the supernatural has had to meet the requistes of scientific methodology, and there is no reason to not expect all the others to do so as well.
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