truth hurts don't it d3v? Your claims against the satanist, which you cannot prove are in power, are really no different than the claims made by Stalin and Lenin.

Oh so your on about proof?

I thought you were asking me what the problem is of people in power engaging in these types of activites?

Why? Hes not doing anything wrong...



Even if they are satanists, whats the problem? I thought you wanted people to be free, to be able to decide what to believe in...

Whatever but our leaders are "deciders" shouldent be doing it.

Why not? If they shouldnt be, then no other religion should be accepted neither.

Satan is the evil u fool.

If your asking whats the problem with someone, nevermind our "leaders" engaging in satanic and freaky rituals then you have problems.

Really? Satan is evil? Satan, IMO doesnt exist. His character, however, is an interesting one... He is portrayed as the evil one by a being who claims he is god, the creator of all. However, if you look closely, god is the one who has committed more evil and destruction, under the name of "peace and love".

I wont not vote for someone just because they engage in satanic and "freaky" rituals. I'd not vote for them if they display that they will cause evil.

Oh and btw, its quite sad that you dont know what a satanist is. It is not someone who worships satan... Satanism is centered around the forces of nature, human nature. Satan is the archtype. They (modern satanists) consider themseleves their own gods. Just because one religion considers satan to be evil doesnt mean all of them do. Hell, the satanist Satan isnt even based off of the christian Satan.

So... Who were you calling ignorant?

HAHAAA, you'd vote for people that engage in the activities our "leaders" do?

Your a damm fool.

Why would you vote for them? When they engage in such activites, dosent that tell u anything?

Maybe evil intentions such as wanting to get rid of 80% of the worlds population?

Wanting a NWO where humanity is as good as jailed.

The list is endless....

Yes, because I dont discriminate. I dont care what religion they believe in, and our "leaders" havent done any criminal activities. None that were proven, at least.



Yes, well... that would mean a lot more comming from a person who knows how to write *damn*



What activities? You have not proven they participate in any illegal activities. You claim they participate in some satanic rituals (without proof) and still... I dont find that anything bad. Everyone is entitled to their own belief.



Prove it. Oh right, you cant.



Not everyones definition of NWO is the same as yours btw. I want a NWO too... a NWO where the world is at peace under one government and the people are free. Not the NWO you believe in.

Tone it down and quite with the name calling.

It doesn't get the discussion any further along and only results in flame wars, hurt feelings and eventually suspended posting priveledges if it is taken too far.

There are plenty of very effective ways to get your points across without resorting to name calling.

OMFG you are unreal Stellar.

I give up responding to you.

You totally impossible and you know nothing on most, if not all the things you argue about.

Save it, I've heard it before. "You dont believe what I believe in!? That means you know nothing!"

I wonder how you can still say I dont know anything on most if not all things I argue about when you came here saying satanists are evil.

Stellar is right, Satanists aren't evil...not unless they're straight out of a comic book. Satanists aren't Christians...and as "Satan" as portrayed in the bible is an invention of Christianity, they don't believe in him. Satan, evil, hell, demons, and all assorted rubbish has nothing to do with satanism.

After all, you would know, being a satanist yourself.

"You dont believe what I believe in!? That means you know nothing!"

It's not about believing Stellar, it's about knowing. There are certain facts out there no one can deny. But if one has never seen those facts, they will be able to deny them.

Yes but his whole attitude is the way I showed it. If you deny the existance of reptillians... IHO, you havent researched the topic.

Can you diagram that sentence for me? Can they, or can't they? What facts do you speak of?

Insight, I would like to respond to your statements. The comments given by you are excellent and well put.
Let's begin: "So to properly weild their power, they must become devoid of conscience and emotions. Much like the "vulcan" race in star trek?"
Though clearly a sarcastic remark(not to me, but of that issue) you are, actually, essentially correct with the exception of the word "devoid" To be a truly effective leader in the higher aspects of government/business, one must be both sensitive to, but control, emotion. Without that level of "maturity" or "developement" it is simply not possible to make second-by-second "sound" decisions, especially with regards to higher levels of government or business.

"You gain control of yourself by a means that another has designed for you. That sounds like outside control to me."
Again, you are not completely wrong. It is very rare for an individual to achieve cognizant levels without help. Yes, it surely presents a potential for outside control. The "teachers" must be well-trained to recognize and avoid this. To assist, certain "rituals" are designed to help "separate" the initiate from the teacher, fostering a "personal responsibility"

"What is achievement? Is it power? Gaining power? Making power efficient? Power corrupts."
Power does not corrupt any more than my owning a gun would suggest I will kill someone. So, "power" does not corrupt. It is the individual whom corrupts power. It is for that exact reason that such "secret societies" exist. They teach how to handle power.

Where there is ying, so will there be yang to balance it out. Would it also be prudent to assume that their are those out there who teach how to abuse? This cannot be discounted, and from past experience i know this to be true.

If I remember reading the bible correctly, was satan not the one who gave man his conscious thought? What is so evil about that?

Yeah but I think he knew that man was weak and maybe he wanted to screw up God's creation Anyways, I think everything is questionable but God is know for Love and Devil for the worst things.. I don't agree with you man.. sorry to say it but in my opinion you and Stellar just seem to want to prove your ideas when yourselves don't even believe in them..

btw I'm new here so, Hi everyone!

Perhaps the devil, but not Satan. The devil is (IIRC) a christian character. Satan, however, is a name used in many different religions... Not all of the Satan characters are the same. God is known for love? God is also known for his ruthlessness. It all depends how you judge him. IMO, he committed evil by flooding the Earth and such. You may not want to think of it as evil, but I do.



Huh? I dont believe in the bible, thats right. Honestly though, god is known for love, but thats not what I'm talking about. I meerly stated that lucifer, in teh bible, didnt commit anything on the scale that god did. He didnt commit any evil in the bible... evil such as killing people...like god did when he flooded during the earth...

Devil and satan are different names to describe the same being, at least I heard that everywhere, maybe the devil is not mentioned directly in the bible for commiting evil things but indirectly he does it all the time, God sended the flood in order to get rid of the evil.. but I'm not blind, I also seen some things in bible that make God look a bit of dictator or sometimes unfair but I still prefer to stay in the good side.. even if the bible is full of lies to deceive us we can choose between good or bad.

How does man know what love is if he does not know what hate is?

It is, strictly when talking about christianity. Devil, however, is not necessairly the same thing as Satan, when you're talking about all religions.



Yes, but, look at it this way... What evil things does the bible say he commits? Things that I wouldnt say are all too evil in the first place (at least, some of them). And look at it another way. History is written by the victor. If hitler won ww2... you can bet that history books would say that the allies were evil jew controled countries who's sole purpose was to destroy and pervert true humanity.

Almost all of us know the difference between good and evil, if you do good then you're in the right side, that's obvious..
and there's no lie that can be fully hidden in my opinion.

Indeed, there is always that, Blood Angel. That aspect will not cease to be a problem. The good news is this: problems can be managed. One should not think that the potential of a car running over you keeps one from crossing a street. One manages the problem and moves on across the street, and on with life.