no miracle from god. Depends on what cancer you have. it takes time to die from cancer. Muslims tribe in saudi arabia can cut themselves and heal in an instance.




i do know. how about a documented report that god saved someone? Churches ussually pull stuff like that for more followers or donations.



I will be saved by Quetzlcoatl or Krishna or [insert son of god here that jesus was copied of] Such arrogance. To think that you have the right religion.


Do you fear DEATH so much you need to be saved?

If that's what you believe than I truly and genuinely do feel sorry for you. It's wrong to say a person like that is nothing without God.

Chrsitianity hasnt been proven to be any more right than any other religion. Maybe someone believes that they can be saved by some other religion, because they consider christianity wrong.



You're assuming Christianity is the right religion and that the bible is the word of god. Not everyone believes that. To say that you can only be saved by believing in jesus is saying that Christianity is the only right religion.

It's just brainwashing, there's no other way to describe it.

Oh my word, with that post I am now seeing you and your theories in a new light. With the amount of drugs you took there is a massively high chance it has turned you into a paranoid, delusional mind, and obsessive.


Not at all. I am psychologically very sound. God has blessed me in that area. He has given me peace about it.

I used to do a fair amount of drugs at university for 3 years, although not on your scale, and i've seen what it can do to people (some of my friends were heavy drug users), and the effect it has on your mind. With the amount you took there's a high chance you are mentally screwed for life.

Which would be why I am a fully functioning and contributing member of society? You can't possibly know what effect they have had on me.

Most of the drugs you took are mind-altering, in a very heavy way, and do irreperable damage to the brain, especially LSD and Cannabis... hell nearly all that you did will do that to you if you took the amounts you claim. I'm surprised you're not borderline schizophrenic by now, i'd say you're very lucky not to be. But paranoia at least will be a given, likely with more effects to look forward to in later life.

Interestingly enough, all of my studies on the illuminati and conspiracies began before my drug acreer did. Of course they got blown out of proportion when I was high. But now that I am clean, and back to reality, my original thoughts still stand.

And God was just the idea you latched on to to get you through it, a belief, he didn't actually save you. I means eriously do you think that you couldn't have got out of it without divine intervention? I tell you mate, a lot of people get out of situations worse than that, and they do it through a combination of luck and sheer willpower, survival instinct. Divine intervention has nothing to do with it.

The drugs talk has just thrown your credibility into severe dissaray, at least for me.

And that sentence has thrown your credibility into severe dissaray, at least for me. You know not of what you speak.

I think you need to go reading through richdogs' posts. He is continually insulting towards people who do not agree with him, and frequently states that others are ignorant, fools, and "children. He is incredibly arrogant, Go now and take a look through his previous posts, i'm not making anything up. I don't give people false respect, and he is by no means a role model. And yes, I truly believe the heavy drug-use affected him.

No ones insulting his intelligence. People are meerly considering new reasons for why he believes he talks to god and such.

I've been talking with God long before I even knew what drugs were.


If you're trying to tell me a good, decent and honest man or woman who lives a virtuous life cannot be saved or have a place in the afterlife simply because they choose not to be religious then I would have to say that's got to be BS.

Don't pretend to understand something you know nothing about. I understand the concept perfectly. Man is not saved by works, but my every word that comes from the mouth of God.

If God was truly so benevolent and loving why would he discriminate against them for that, when they lived a better life than many "believers"? it doesn't make sense, just like the rest of religion and The Bible.

Who's the arrogant one again? You obviously have no biblical knowledge, otherwise you would see how your logic in this matter doesn't stand.


weak people need some one to save them. that is why someone believes in god. they cant save themselves.I also used some drugs. the famous magic shrooms and some harder stuff but i did not like it so i stopped using them. was there a god neccessary to save me? no it is all up to yourself.

I'll tell you what. We'll arrange a place where we can meet face to face, and afterwards, you can come back on this site and tell everyone if I was as weak as you thought I was. How about that?

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle that for a rich person to enter the kingdom of Heaven.


Nah, I don't think they need to be "saved".

I think it all comes down to the simple fact that they fear death...they NEED to know that there is more to death than just nothingness. They can't accept it. Feel sorry for them.

I don't fear death. I embrace it. I would gladly die defending my beliefs. I would gladly fight to my death protecting my family. And I will be happy when I do finally die and leave this miserable world, regardless of where I "think" I might be going, or not going.

What makes you the unidputed expert of the christian religion?

The fact that it is my entire life.

Oh yes, we're all afraid of believing theres a benevolant being watching out for us, and when we die, we will live in everlasting joy.

Nope, you are afraid to take responsibility for your own actions, and you are afraid of ackowleging any authority above your human self.

Do you actually believe your faith is going to sway the true believers in anything else?
Nope. I can't sway anyone. They can only make the choice for themselves. All I can do is life my life the way I live it, and leave the decisions to everyone else.

You claim you talked to god only a few pages ago in one of the active threads... have you stopped with the drugs?

My relationship with God began a long time before I ever even knew what drugs were, let alone me taking them. During my "drug days", I was cut off from communication with God. I fell into a bottomless pit of regression from my old beliefs. But now I have come back to them.


I couldn't quit. No matter how I tried, I couldn't quit. No matter how I wanted to, and believe me, I wanted to, I couldn't quit. i went to Rehab 3 times. I went to alcoholics anonymous. I tried it all. And the only thing that worked, and I mean the ONLY thing that worked was having God come into my life. Infact, you could say that I would be dead right now if it wasn't for him. Either that, or I would be in jail, or living on the streets. Now I have been blessed with wealth, a house, and everything I need. And none of it could have happened without divine intervetion.


Yes, it could have.


Explain to me how? Explain to me how a rehabilitation clinic set up and designed by the government was unable to help me? Aren't these people supposed to be the formost source for helping society with this problem?

How does any of this prove the existance of god? Because you dont feel like attributing it to anything less than a being with superpowers which is looking out after you?

I could attribute it to any thing I "feel" like. The fact of the matter is, that nothing could have done it within this world. Not me, nor anyone else. No program, nothing. Explain to me how my actual body's physical dependance was taken away. This defies ever law of biology and chemistry. People have to take methadone to get off heroin alot of the times. How could I physically be set free from dependense? How could I experience no withdrawel symtoms what so ever? If you can provide a logical explination of how, I am willing to listen to you.

I'm going to quote panther10759 again, for all of you who didn't seem to read it:

That is a cruel unfair statement to make to this person who overcame a problem I am a recovering alky (over 18 years) and understand what poster means now you can disbelieve this theory but its real for him and that you cannot debate! He believes (like many who recover) that alone he/she could not overcome his/her problems. I realize myself that without help I could have NEVER overcame my alcoholism now call it God or whatever you wish maybe just the power of Prayer or group support. this poster believes (like many who recover) that God and God alone got them to point that they found recovery. What you "cant" explain is how he/she overcame such an illness that he/she may have tried years to overcome alone! Does God exist for many the answer is YES other NO Proof is a state of mind based on ones own life for this poster God lives! It was insulting to poster to attack his recovery! It was insulting to any with same afflictions as well. Will power has NOTHING to do with this! Try will power next time you have the TROTS! I respect your belief system as yours you own it and thats ok by me but please lets be fair to others an attacking ones shortcomings that have been over is unfair to all. This person should be commended for what he has done most don't recover I know I have worked in recovery field myself some this person should be praised not attacked!

thanks for the info insight.

what is with you christians and arrogance? see how weak you are. I was talking about how weak your mind is and you thought i was talking physically. that says something about you. you question your physical strenght because that was the first thing that came in your head which means that you have low confidence.

Thets the whole point Insight, you say we have no comprehension because we don't fully understand the depth of God. But in our eyes it's BS. You have never seen physical proof of 'Him', all you have is a belief in a myth, and it is something you use on a daily basis to help define your existence and explain things such as recovering from ailments etc. Which is fine if you want to do that, but forgive other people for not believing in the greatest Hoax history has yet provided us with. I am a spiritual person. I believe in the afterlife. My Antie and Uncle are spiritual healers and I have talked with them and my grandmother at length, what they told me ties in greatly with this theory here http://www.victorzammit.com/book/chapter27.html

I think that is far more believable than the Bible, and far more realistic than believing in some half-baked stories about the world being created in 7 days, Arks and floods, monsters and titans, and all the other completely implausible and seemingly random stories the Bible tells us are true. The above link actually sounds far more plausible in every respect. The Bible is hearsay, a set of social guidelines, written by man and completely contradictory as a result.

Just imagine Insight if you die and realize that all your life you followed a lie, so fervent and completely that when you die you cannot progress to the nexty level as you're so stuck to what you think should be, not what is. You've convinced yourself so wholly and absolutely that even if (theoretically) hard evidence were plopped on a plate in front of you that contradicted your version of God and religion, you'd go to pieces. As would all the other zealots.

Shame really.

the bible is no myth. and as for monsters, titans and random stories.the bible tells of no such thing.

that link is full of half truths and lies

why dont you study the bible and then post something that makes sense.

Ok please tell me how you know this and any evidence you have. Otherwise go away and come back when you have something that makes sense.

If you believe Christianity is the one true religion, then what about man who lived 10'000 years before Jesus was born? Has the entire race of man before Jesus been spiritually dead? Are they all consigned to a heavenless existence? What about Muslims, Hindus etc, have they no hope in the afterlife because they don't see religion the way you do? Is anyone who is not Christian basically scrrewed?

The mind boggles...

Ahh... more talking in absolutes huh? I'll play along too!



The bible IS a myth.



It tells of floods and giants and such, as well as turning staffs to snakes, doesnt it?

Plus, all that aside, the koran and other religions are about = to the bible...

Thets the whole point Insight, you say we have no comprehension because we don't fully understand the depth of God. But in our eyes it's BS. You have never seen physical proof of 'Him',

Actually, I have.

all you have is a belief in a myth,


What is a myth proven to be true?

and it is something you use on a daily basis to help define your existence

My existance needs no definition. I think, therefore I am.

and explain things such as recovering from ailments etc.

You still doen't seem to be able to explain how I was releaseed from physical addiction.

Which is fine if you want to do that, but forgive other people for not believing in the greatest Hoax history has yet provided us with.

Since you have judged my faith to be a hoax, I shall judge you yourself to be a hoax. All you are is a figment of my imagination. Se ehow it works?




I am a spiritual person. I believe in the afterlife. My Antie and Uncle are spiritual healers and I have talked with them and my grandmother at length, what they told me ties in greatly with this theory here

Ah, yes, humans being the formost authority of what lies beyond our dimension. Why put trust in a human who has the capacity to be decived?

I think that is far more believable than the Bible,

Really? I don't. I think the bible is the only thing that makes sense. Of course what they told you will tie into your own theories. But there is a difference between believing something, and actually knowing something. I couldn't careless what you believe, or what anyone told you. God has revealed himself to me in so many ways, that for me to turn back on him now would be the most ignorantly stupid thing I could possibly do. It would be like trying to breath underwater.

and far more realistic than believing in some half-baked stories about the world being created in 7 days, Arks and floods, monsters and titans, and all the other completely implausible and seemingly random stories the Bible tells us are true.

You have never read the bible in it's entirety,, so you really don't know. All you have to go on is hearsay and conjecture. As far as I know, hearsay doesn't hold up in a caurt of law.


The above link actually sounds far more plausible in every respect.

Simple people have simple faith.

The Bible is hearsay, a set of social guidelines, written by man and completely contradictory as a result.

Name for me a single contradiction, and I shall explain it for you.

Just imagine Insight if you die and realize that all your life you followed a lie, so fervent and completely that when you die you cannot progress to the nexty level as you're so stuck to what you think should be, not what is.

And how are we to know what is? Who are you to say that I am completely wrong?

You've convinced yourself so wholly and absolutely

I had nothing to do with it. God convinced me himself. I was chosen.

that even if (theoretically) hard evidence were plopped on a plate in front of you that contradicted your version of God and religion, you'd go to pieces.

Bring me the evidence, and we shall see if my peices fall.


Shame really.


What's more of a shame is that people cannot accept what they do not immediately understand. What's even more a shame, is how people live in suffering and bondage because of their disbelief.

The end times are here my friend. Most of us will live to see them through. I'll tell you what, you go and study your holistic and spiritual healing. You may bring any power against me in any way shape or form, and God shall strike it down. You may attack me with knowledge, ideas, words, or even fists, but you shall never be victor. You can follow your own path in complete faith, but you will never transcend death, nor be able to save yourself. Who will be victorious over death? No one but Jesus Christ, the son of God. he and he ALONE is the path to salvation.

That was a joke dear ;P

And if I insult anyone by claiming that I myself am proof the God exists, I couldn't care at all. I am alive and healthy, and no one will ever be able to take that away from me. Insults are not intended by this. I was aksed for proof and I gave it. Don't be offended by something you yourself asked for.

what is with you athiests/evolutionists and arrogance? see how weak you are. I was talking about how weak your mind is and you thought i was talking physically. that says something about you. you question your physical strenght because that was the first thing that came in your head which means that you have low confidence.

I'll tell you what. We'll arrange a place where we can meet face to face, and afterwards, you can come back on this site and tell everyone if I was as weak as you thought I was. How about that?

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle that for a rich person to enter the kingdom of Heaven

You took this out of context, not me. You were the one who misunderstood what what I was saying with my biblical reference. Also, you were the one who assumed I meant physical violence by meeting face to face. Did I ever make the claim of physical strength? No, I did not. It sure is easy though to get someone to say what you want them to say, and point out their own mental programming to them.



If you believe Christianity is the one true religion, then what about man who lived 10'000 years before Jesus was born?

If you understood anything about chritianianty you would understand that. This truely shows you lack of study. Before Jesus sacrifice, men had to make blood sacrifices of their own in order to attone for sins. It was a differnent time, with different rules.

What about Muslims, Hindus etc, have they no hope in the afterlife because they don't see religion the way you do?

Yes, that's exactly it. Jesus said that no man shall live but through Him. He said that he is The way, The truth, and The light. The, stemming from the greek word theos, meaning God.

Is anyone who is not Christian basically scrrewed?

Nope. They have to turn to God. Everyone does. I did. You do. Everyone. I know a fmaily of Hindu people who gave up their life long belief of hiduism because they realized that Jesus Christ was the one true God.

The mind boggles...

Yes, it does.

Not the bible!





With the help of having a belief in something. Its all you (and help from other humans too possibly). Just because you cant quite put your finger on it doesnt mean its divine intervention. Hell, I dont fully know why I want to join the Canadian Reserves... I'm not going around claiming its god making me join...



Huh? And what are you trying to prove with that?



If you'd read the link, you'd see that the information comes from a higher intelligence... just like you claim the bible does...



Me neither. I dont think any of them are right.



I could say I know your wrong too...

Either way, god has appeared to you numerous times before, as youve claimed... but most of them you've discarded now cuz you were on drugs... right?



Neither does the defendant saying "I know I didnt commit the crime"



Theres a list in another thread.



Who are you to say that he is wrong? Who are you to say LoneWeatherWolf and all the other young psio kids are wrong?
Notice that what you complain about, you commit.



Theres always a sense of relief and importance in those who believe that they are chosen to be part of some big organisation, or in this case, religion, with infinite rewards... If they want it strong enough, they convince themselves that its true.



Evolution.



Like evolution?



Only another belief.

Damn, my post didnt get through and now I need to rewrite it. Oh well. Insult is too strong of a word. I am... annoyed... that you claim your existance of proof, because it certainly is not. I am more annoyed at your "know it all" attitude when it comes to which religion is right.

you are so right insight



the entire human race was spiritually dead after adam and eve sinned.
muslims,hindus , etc are in error(jesus says he has sheep that are in other folds). also just because youre christian doesnt mean you will be saved, you have to follow Gods word and renew your covenaat wih him daily.
before jesus comes the entire world would have heared the gospel. it is a matter of accepting truth or to continue living in sin.

You dont know that. For all you know, christianity is in error.



So just because a book says Jesus said that it means that all other religions are wrong? What about other holy books that say that they are right and others are wrong?

JESUS NEVER EXISTED

but these floods have proven yo be true, hence the location of noahs ark.

It is surprising that hundreds of millions of Christians follow blindly outdated biblical commandments. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, even their lives, for their belief. The only sacrifice they are not prepared to make is to use their common sense - their God-given intelligence - to spend a few hours, may be days, to investigate the roots of their faith

how about i star a new thread about Gods true church

Well why not tell us what you saw then? Explain so we might understand.



Eh? You mean when? When evidence is provided.



Cute.



Yes I can for crying out loud, it was willpower and support. Not a divine miracle. Please, get real.



No thats actually a really bad example, it doesn't work anything like that. I am not a book filled with nonsense that someone is claiming to be true.



I did not say it was true, simply that I believe that version more likely than the one the Bible provides.



Circumstancial or drug-induced, probably a mix of both. I'm betting never has he addresses you personally or physically, you have looked for signs and found them using your own imagination.



And again, what is the Bible but hearsay.



I would call simple faith relying on something you have never seen and will never see. Simple people throughout history have relied on God to solve all of their problems without facing them themselves, whether it be illness, weather, or any other tragedy. Has he ever actually saved anyone. Erm no, only in peoples minds. The stronger ones challenge it and seek their own truths, not what is shoved down their throat.



Read these genius...

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...radictions.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/...4/4contr90.html

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Bible/Contra/confusion.html

And spare me, the reccommended ways of dealing with people who point out the inconsistencies... LMAO http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b08.html



Right. You're a nutjob.



Sure that could be more readily changed to belief? Your rigid adherence to the Bible and its events is in itself a chain, and millions have in the past suffered due to religion or acts in the name of God! Crusades, torture, terrorism etc.



Again, you're a nutjob, it's almost as though you believe you're the next Messiah.



Spoken like a true zealot.

Burning of early Christian literature for not supporting trumped up dogma's. Original biblical (gnostic) texts which did not substantiate Christian sectarian viewpoints, have so thoroughly been destroyed in the early centuries after the death of Jesus that we have hardly any record left. Moreover the great library of Alexandria, said to have contained half a million volumes, was destroyed by Christian fanatics in 397 AD - one of the severest losses to history ever encountered.

Persecution of the Jews, who are supposed to have been responsible for the alleged crucifixion of Christ leading up to the holocaust, following Paulinian accusations: ...the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, the Jews who are heedless of God's will and enemies of their fellow-men.... (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16). After the reign of emperor Constantine it was considered a crime for a Christian to marry a Jew.

Persecution of homosexuals, mainly based on St. Paul's condemnation (although it has been speculated that he was a closet one himself. He never married, which was unusual at that time!). Homosexuals have been tortured, castrated and murdered throughout the ages, being condemned by God's supposed word. 'Homosexuals are filled with every kind of injustice, mischief, rapacity, and malice; they are one mass of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and malevolence .., etc. etc. (Romans 1:26-32).
Whereas homosexuals are believed to have contributed as no other sex to the advancement of civilisation percentagewise.

Condoning of slavery on the basis of some biblical texts (Ephesians 6:5: Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling....)
In Leviticus 25:44 Yahweh recommends buying slaves.

Subordination of women. (1 Corinthians 11:9 For neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.). But in fact science has discovered that the female species have much older genetic material than the male. Endocrinologist Prof. Dr. Netelenbos said that the receptor for the male hormone dates from around fifty million years ago, against 450 million years for the female oestrogen receptor.

Persecution of heretics, supposed witches and other lamentable members of the community who did not support church dogmatism. Eric Hoffer: "true believers of various hues ....view each other with mortal hatred and are ready to fly at each other's throat...". Heretics were tortured and slaughtered like cattle. Burning at the stake was justified by Matthew 3:10: ...every tree that fails to produce good food is cut down and thrown on the fire.

In 415 AD Hypathia, one of the last scholars to work in the famous library of Alexandria, was seized by Christians who scraped with shells the flesh from his bones and burnt the spillings!

In 1553 the Spanish physician Michael Servetus, who discovered the circulation of blood, was burned at the stake, by order of Calvin, for believing in the trinity (albeit nowhere mentioned in the gospels).

Obstructing advancement of science and culture. Great men who made amazing discoveries in science and medicine which might have benefited mankind, were being persecuted and forbidden to make their findings known. Nature need not to be examined as all explanations could be found in the Bible. Inventions were often considered the work of the devil. Discoveries by Leonardo da Vinci remained unknown for centuries. The creativity and constructional skills in building the pyramids were not matched until the 18th century A.D.

Philosopher Bruno was burnt at the stake, Galilei escaped it by lying. The theory of evolution was rejected as it contradicted the book of Genesis. Fossils were argued away as being from satanical creatures from antedelluvian times.
Christianity has so held Western civilization in its grip from the Dark Ages onward, obstructing advancement of liberal thought.

Teachings of other religions were suppressed. Buddhism, preaching compassion, was practically unknown till the nineteenth century. (See the Oriental Renaissance).
Blocking development of understanding life based on latest insight and advances in science. In some universities in the Southern states of the USA the theory of evolution may still not be taught. Many of their students believe that the earth was created some six thousand years ago in spite of the huge body of evidence to the contrary.

Imposing backward biblical notions on themes that could better human living conditions such as birth control and euthanasia. Not to speak of instilling fears for blood and natural bodily outlets as masturbation.

Disrespect of living beings. Animals, are supposed to have been created to support men. They have been slaughtered as sacrifice to god Yahweh.
Instilling a perpetual fear of an imminent end of the world. All gospels, epistles of St. Paul and specifically the Apocalypse herald the endtime and the Coming of Christ. This mistaken belief has cost the lives of countless Christians up to this day (Crusades, Jonestown, Heaven's Gate).
Brainwashing its believers that salvation depends on accepting on faith its incredible myth.
Belief in original sin instilling a traumatising fear in Christians from childhood onwards. This concept was thought up to account for almighty God making man's life a hell at times. But factually man pays a price for having been evolved from the animal kingdom to his present status. He is the one species capable of self-reflection. Endowed with creative powers and a vision of the Divine, his mind is yet incapable of grasping the why of it all

With the help of having a belief in something. Its all you (and help from other humans too possibly).

So you are saying I have the power to manipulate physical matter, and people's minds? Fascinating. If I have the power to turn the tides of physical addiction, surely I have the power to do much more.


Just because you cant quite put your finger on it doesnt mean its divine intervention.

Actually, I did put my finger on it. Divine intervention.



If you'd read the link, you'd see that the information comes from a higher intelligence... just like you claim the bible does...

Yes, there are many higher intellegences. The second Highest one if Lucifer, the father of all lies. He is the prince of our world, and the source of belief that goes against God. he's doing a remarkably good job too.


I could say I know your wrong too...

Word carry no weight over actions.

Either way, god has appeared to you numerous times before, as youve claimed... but most of them you've discarded now cuz you were on drugs... right?

Nope. I have discared any vision of God I received while I was under the drugs influance. But not the ones I recieved before I ever started taking drugs, and not the ones I recieved after being set free from drugs.


Neither does the defendant saying "I know I didnt commit the crime"
It does if the defendant can prove what he knows.



Who are you to say that he is wrong? Who are you to say LoneWeatherWolf and all the other young psio kids are wrong?

Common sense debunks the children here. And spiritual descernment manifested by God living inside of me debunks all else.


Theres always a sense of relief and importance in those who believe that they are chosen to be part of some big organisation, or in this case, religion, with infinite rewards... If they want it strong enough, they convince themselves that its true.

I was chosen to be a servant, as were all of you. I accepted the choice made by God. You have not.


Evolution.

Neither creationism nor evolution is a science, since neither can be observed, nor reproduced. Both are taken on faith.


Like evolution?

I understand evolution. I also understand that it is not a science.


Only another belief.


What is a belief proven true?


I am more annoyed at your "know it all" attitude when it comes to which religion is right.

And I, in turn, become annoyed by your know it all attitude when it comes to which religion is right. Religion was created by man. Faith was created by God.

Ignorance/10 Islam and christianity are the same only difference is they see jesus as a prophet. So you kinda said that christianity was wrong

No, they havent been proven to be true. Not only is there no evidence of a world wide flood in the timeframe christians give... theres no evidence of a world wide flood in the first place.

And whats that about noahs ark? As I've told you in another thread, Noahs ark hasnt been found at all. Its not even proven to have existed. Hey, maybe the ark which you claim is on Arrarat is the ark from the flood in the epic of gilgamesh!?

Give me evidence of a historical JESUS. that is what this topic is about. The bible is not correct or historical. It is copied from ancient sumerian tablets. About the flood, also a fairy tale.

some of those contradictions have errors. therfore misleading the unsuspecting reader

like the bible right?

Well why not tell us what you saw then? Explain so we might understand.

That's just it: You wouldn't understand it.


Yes I can for crying out loud, it was willpower and support. Not a divine miracle. Please, get real.

Try using will power when you have diarrea. Or when you get the chicken pocks. Or when you catch a cold. And what support did I have other than my own faith in following God? The support of the community centers didn't help me. i already stated that. The only support I had was from God himself. i had no body else. Not even my family.
No thats actually a really bad example, it doesn't work anything like that. I am not a book filled with nonsense that someone is claiming to be true.

You're a brain filled with nonsense claiming it to be true.



Circumstancial or drug-induced, probably a mix of both. I'm betting never has he addresses you personally or physically, you have looked for signs and found them using your own imagination.

I have heard his voice, and felt his presence. I have felt the touch of his angel, and seen one of his angels as well.

I would call simple faith relying on something you have never seen and will never see.

But I have seen him, and his works. And I will continue to see him for as long as I live, and even after death.


Simple people throughout history have relied on God to solve all of their problems without facing them themselves, whether it be illness, weather, or any other tragedy. Has he ever actually saved anyone. Erm no, only in peoples minds. The stronger ones challenge it and seek their own truths, not what is shoved down their throat.

Some people in history have only relied on themselves to solve their problems and not God. They themselves have never actually saved anyone. Only God has.



Read these genius...

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...radictions.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/...4/4contr90.html

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Bible/Contra/confusion.html

And spare me, the reccommended ways of dealing with people who point out the inconsistencies... LMAO http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b08.html

None of those contradict themselves if you realize what context they were written in. You you say the second law of thermodynamics contradicts evolution?

Right. You're a nutjob.

I always thought a nut job was someone who refused to see truth and reality. Those sort of people end up in hospitals, not with money and houses.


Sure that could be more readily changed to belief? Your rigid adherence to the Bible

I don't rigidly adhere to it, because many of it's truths have been mistranslated and distorted over time. I take everything on faith.

and its events is in itself a chain, and millions have in the past suffered due to religion or acts in the name of God!

Evil wears many masks, but none so dangerous as the mask of virtue.


Again, you're a nutjob, it's almost as though you believe you're the next Messiah.

*laughs* I like your labling me as a nut job. I however, will make an attempt not to lable you as such. And as for me being the messiah, I could never believe that. I am inperfect and fallable. I have to seek God, rather than actually BECOME him.


Spoken like a true zealot.

Spoken like a true zealot.

Like i said before there is no evidence for the existence of jesus.traditional evidence, such as references to Jesus by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, called Testimonium Flavianum, have been shown to be later forgeries. Authors in the second and third centuries never mentioned these interpolated references to Jesus in his "Jewish War" writings. Dozens of roman writers dont mention jesus.

elder plinius, who states to have visited Palestina before the destruction of Jerusalem, does not mention anything about a Jesus or his Jerusalem community, nor do Persius, Martial, and Seneca (apart from an obvious forgery of a correspondence between Paul and Seneca).

The fact is that our Bible is mainly based on old Greek texts dating from the fourth century: the Codex Vaticanus and Sinaïticus

The irony of it all is that we know more about the big bang, the origin of our universe some 13,7 billion years ago, than of the life of Jesus.


As to Jesus, it is also surprising that amongst the Dead Sea scrolls, discovered in 1947, no scripture refers to the person who is supposed to have made such an impact on his fellowmen


and so far we have not been proven wrong.

CONCLUSION: JESUS NEVER EXISTED. Prove me wrong i have evidence DO YOU?

What are you going on about now? How is curing an addiction = to manipulating physical matter and peoples minds? Wait, I guess people who loose weight were helped by god, because they couldnt do so themselves?



No you havent. Thats a conclusion you jumped to.



Yes, perhaps he wrote the bible, and he's the one who committed the flood and killed all these humans... and he got you to believe in the bible and worship his actions...?



Then prove to me, with an action, that your claims are right.



Thats what I wrote....



Do you think that your mind is in the same state now as it was before you did all those drugs?



So does the person spreading hearsay if he can prove it happened... Can you prove what you know? You cant. All you can do right now is tell us that you know.



Right... Just as common sense debunks your beliefs!



You only believe you have accepted the choice made by god...



Nope. Evolution is science because it can be supported by factual evidence. There is no need for faith to believe a scientific theory.



Then you, like others, do not understand evolution. I had a guy in another thread tell me he understands evolution... and then he went on to talk about how his couche would never spring into life, and therefor evolution is wrong. Sounds like he knows what he's talking about, huh?



The opposite of yours.



God was created by man. I do not claim to know which religion is right, nor do I claim to know the truth. I hate absolutes. When I use absolutes, it is because others are too, and I clearly show that I'm using it to show the person how annoying it is.



What you say is the truth has errors.



Try to use will power when smoking. You might actually stop. Try to use will power to loose weight. You might actually loose weight.

Oh no, I'm sorry, willpower cant accomplish those things mentioned above. Only god can.



You have also used such an abondance of drugs...

Is not the answer to this question just a matter of what the individual wants to believe? I will not argue, I can have a discussion in the abstract about religion, politics, sex or any other topic you want. If you come to me and ask about my faith I can have a conversation, and give you my testimony if that is what you want from me. It is not important that I make someone believe in Jesus as a real being. What is important is I believe!!!! If someone chooses not to believe that is their thing not mine. I am not going to ask anyone to believe what I believe and I ask the same in return. It is just that simple, or it should be. Some folks cannot accept that someone elses beliefs do not mirror their own, this goes for Christians as well as non-believers and anyone in between. I personally do not care if you want to worship a dog pile it is none of my business. All of the above is just the rantings of a middle aged man who will not argue the truthfulness or historical accuracy of the Scripture and has made up his own mind about such things as did Jesus live, Noah's Ark, Moses and the 10 Commandments, ETC ETC ETC.

well then........if you would read how the person typed the bible scriptures, some are typed wrong ex.the one about the c*** crowing john 13:38.

Are you sure about the Chapter and verse?

twpdyp; you could fill this thread with the entire text of the scripture (including Apocrypa) and it would do no good. Once a person has determined in their heart that a piece of information is false, then it becomes useless as a weapon in arguement. And as for any other piece of information, well there are those who say we never actually went to the moon; regardless of the video footage, moonrocks, photos... so trying to prove beyond a doubt the existance of a historical figure is not always as easy as it seems.

But then what do I know. After all, I'm one of those weak-minded; emotionally inept, and mentally retarded religous freaks.

I'm just gonna withdraw from this thread, it's lose/lose situation, reason vs religion, not a good combo. Personally I think Insight is a nutjob through insane amounts of drugs and heavy doses of paranoia and other ill effects, and i'm going to stick with that theory, the evidence for that on this forum is probably greater than that of Jesus existing or the Bible being true...

Ciaou.

I agree with you, and I am one of those religous freaks also, so don't feel alone.

I prefer to call you sheeple

See there you go again, why do my beliefs bother you so? I am not forcing my beliefs on you why are you being so negative and nasty?

damn right im sure
the prson posted-JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily Verily I say unto thee, The c*** shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.

the bible says John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily Verily I say unto thee, The c*** shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

now look for the error

Because others are. Others are going around claiming that we're all wrong because they've talked to god. They say that we're stuck in a fantasy land and such. Dont act as if one side is innocent and the other is not.

As for Insight. I understand that you feel you are trying to save the unbeliever's souls; but going into a philisophical/religious arguement without being prepared to not use the scriptures is only setting yourself up to be run over by the logic of those whose world is only based on reason. And in the end will only do more harm than good. There is a time to fight and there is a time to hold one's peace; and rushing into a debate where you end up looking unintelligent does not help one's credibility. Neither will resorting to childish "Uh Huh!!!!" type antics couse anyone to subscribe to your chosen faith. And above all; Never be nasty in an arguement until the other side has sufficently provoked such a response; it diminishes the whole "God is love" arguement just a bit.

look at this

this topic is filled with judgemental people most of them being religious and none of them have evidence of the existence of jesus

Really, all we are doing is going around in circles people. Nothing wil ever come of it. I am not trying to make you believe something. I am telling you what I believe and why. This means nothing to you, but something to me, just as your theroies of evolution mean nothing to me, but something to you. We can all sit around here and throw back proof from one side or another, but the fact of the matter is, is that proof is subjective.

I agree with you totally.

Can't we discuss in peace? Someday you are going to have to. More and more people are getting aware of the jesus myth. One side has proof the others dont

I apologize I am not trying to start an argument, nor am I trying to end one. I stated my position,

Again I offer my apologies if I have provoked anyone.

Paul never refers to Jesus' trial before a Roman official. He does not appear to even know who crucified Jesus - in 1 Cor 2:8 he refers to the death of Christ by 'rulers of the age' - this hardly fits a tinpot prefect called Pilate (this term really denotes supernatural spirits - 2 Cor 4:4, Col 2:15). Paul never refers to Jerusalem as the place of Jesus' execution and never mentions John the Baptist, Judas, or Peter's denials (This would have been quite pertinent in combatting Cephas/Peter at Antioch - Gal 2:11-17) How odd eh?