Just wondering are their any proven conspiracies out there or ones that were conspiracies and proven to be true(actual evidence ei: govt admitted to it)?

There are many. Remember the standoff with religious radicals in Waco Texas? The government swore up and down for years that a member of the radicals internally and deliberately set the fires which caused the death of everyone inside the building.

Recently, the government has come forward admitting that it infact lied, and did start the fires themselves by using incendiary tear gas canisters.


So here we have it: The government using force to kill innocent women and children, avidly lying about it for as long as they possibly could get away with, and then finally admitting it lied all those years and did infact deliberately cause the fires.

Sick sick sick.

If they lied for as long as they thought they could get away with.

What makes us think they wouldn't do it again, and in bigger more complex forms?

Sept 11th is a prime example. For all we know, in 20 years, they will come forward, just like they did with the Waco Texas incedent, and admit to their crimes. Who knows. Back then the idea that the government set the fire it's self was a big conspicaru thory and thought to be laughable and silly. But years later, the government actually admits to the public it lied.

Sick.

A well-known and proven conspiracy, in the sense that goverment has admitted the truth, is the Tuskegee syphilis study.
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study (1932-1972) was a medical experiment, conducted around Tuskegee, Alabama, where 400 poor, mostly illiterate black American sharecroppers became part of a study on the treatment of syphilis without their full knowledge.

The study was originally started as a study on the effectiveness of contemporary treatments (including Salvarsan, mercurial ointments and bismuth) which were considered harmful and ineffective, and an attempt to show that non-treatment was less harmful. By 1947, penicillin had been recognized as a safe and effective treatment for syphilis, yet the remaining members of the Tuskegee group of patients were allowed to sicken and die for another twenty-five years, and some were even actively blocked from effective treatments to allow scientists to study syphilis damage post mortem to better understand how the disease spreads and kills.

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study was terminated in 1972, when it was exposed in the press. The Tuskegee Study is widely regarded as one of the greatest failures of American medical ethics, and the subject of a presidential apology after the fact to the survivors and their relatives. This study has become a negative ethical standard against which many other medical studies have been measured.

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Lincoln's assassination was a conspiracy by a band of confederate sympathizers. There's no dispute about that. Originally they wanted to kidnap Lincoln.

Oh, for heavens sake! The government did not "infact deliberately cause the fires." They sent in the tear gas (not incendiaries; those are thermal charges that are specifically designed to create fire), and a spark from the detonator started the fire. This is a far cry from the government admitting that it sealed in a bunch of people and intentionally torched them.

The government has done enough things that can be pointed at without resorting to twisting events in such a ridiculous manner.

Thank you although a terrible event it was never INTENTIONAL! I might add if The Wacko's on Waco had surrendered the tear would not had been used and all those lives would have been spared!

The USS MAin conspiracy has been nearly proved beyond a resonable doubt true. It did not explode due to the Spanish fleet but due to a combustion in the coal chamber next to the magazine.

Iran-Contra
Oil-For-Food

its been admitted on the history channel that there was foreknowledge of the attack on pearl harbor-

Agreed. It is complete nonsense to believe that our government deliberately killed anyone at Waco. The opposite is in fact true, as at least 1 ATF agent was murdered during the lawful assault on a compound known IN FACT to have illegal weapons and known to be a compound whereby minor women were being sexually exploited by the lead lunatic who also openly fantazised about "Armageddon"

Yeah kind of like the Warren Commission and the single bullet theory......

But what about the kids found with bullet wounds that resulted in their death that were not from any weapons that the compound members hade but were government issed

What about them?

the government never addressed them. shoots were fired before the fire even started. and not because of the agents that tried to enter on the first raid

I've studied the Waco incident as part of my Master at Arms training. From my point of view, nothing was done out of order. In fact, I believe in one of the opinions that was floating around at the time from one of my chiefs. I won't bore you with the details (unless you ask), but what exactly about agents firing as they entered the compound do you find odd? I didn't really understand your final sentence.

one proven conspiracy is that the CIA at the very least was dealing in the illegal drugs market . Really ticks you off huh ? They make it illegal and then sell it to you themselves for much higher prices because its illegal . Lame .

the agent shoot was on the first attempt to enter the compound.

Oh, for heavens sake! The government did not "infact deliberately cause the fires." They sent in the tear gas (not incendiaries;

If you read the reports, they were not normal tear gas canisters. They were "incendiary" type tear gas canisters. They knew of their capabilities before they used them. They knew of the danger surrounding them.

The government has come out and said that the religions radicals did not start the fire. What more do you need?

We have admitted to the "MK-ULTRA" project, in which we tried to develop "sleeper" spies/possibly assassins (to counteract the supposed russian successes in mind-control), through the use of psychotropic drugs such as: marijuana, LSD, heroin, sodium pentathol (truth serum), mescaline, and scopolamine; and also--though I'm not sure how much of this they admitted to--by means of electronic stimulation, and through small brain implants called "stimoceivers" operated by FM waves, and even by using electromagnetic fields which somehow make a person open to suggestion--even against their own will. It's really fascinating stuff. This program was reportedly shut down in the late 70's, under the veil of failure, but according to some it is an ongoing project to this day, concealed by NLD Initiatives and now under the classification of "Operations Other Than War". However, I'm not sure how much credence can be given to "MK-Ultra's" current classification, or it's existence to this day. Who knows?

BTW--I've seen a couple of History Channel specials that claimed--or at least that is what I inferred--that we have admitted to the whole "Kill Castro" project. I was wondering if anyone else had heard this or seen verifiable proof that we admitted to the project. If you have I'd love to hear about it. Otherwise, I will be forced to look it up myself on an internet search....oh man, that would suck!

-Nero niot burning Rome is a conspiracy that has been somewhat proven.
-In 1998 several US brokerages were forced to pay damages for manipulating the stockmarket.
-Enron
-WorldCom
-Arthur Anderson
-Chernobyl?
-Prague Spring

U guys know what waco stands for dont ya?

we ain't commin out= waco. j/k lol

anyhoo i think theres some truth to what xenojjin said look what i found today!


Sunday, December 12, 2004 · Last updated 4:51 p.m. PT

Gary Webb, reporter who exposed CIA, dies

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gary Webb, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter who wrote a controversial series of stories linking the CIA to crack cocaine trafficking in Los Angeles, has died at age 49.

Webb was found Friday morning at his home in Sacramento County, dead of an apparent suicide. Moving-company workers called authorities after discovering a note posted on his front door that read, "Please do not enter. Call 911 and ask for an ambulance."

Webb died of a gunshot wound to the head, according to the Sacramento County coroner's office.

Webb was part of the San Jose Mercury News reporting team that won a 1990 Pulitzer Prize for its coverage of the Loma Prieta earthquake.

Webb's 1996 series in the Mercury News alleged that Nicaraguan drug traffickers had sold tons of crack cocaine in Los Angeles and funneled millions of dollars in profits to the CIA-supported Nicaraguan Contras during the 1980s.

The articles did not accuse the CIA of directly aiding drug dealers to raise money for the Contras, but implied that the agency was aware of the activity.

Major parts of Webb's reporting were later discredited by other newspaper investigations. An investigation by the Los Angeles Police Department found no evidence of a connection between the CIA and the drug traffickers.

In 1997, then-Mercury News executive editor Jerry Ceppos backed away from the series, saying "we fell short at every step of our process." Webb was transferred to one of the paper's suburban bureaus.

"This is just harassment," Webb said after his demotion. "This isn't the first time that a reporter went after the CIA and lost his job over it."

After quitting the newspaper in December 1997, Webb continued to defend his reporting with his 1999 book "Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion."

Born in Corona, Calif., to a military family, Webb dropped out of journalism school and went to work for the Kentucky Post and the Cleveland Plain Dealer before landing at the Mercury News.

Webb worked in state government after leaving the paper, most prominently as a member of an audit committee investigating former Gov. Gray Davis' controversial award of a $95 million no-bid contract to Oracle Corp. in 2001.

Earlier this year, Webb was one of a group of employees fired from the Assembly Speaker's Office of Member Services for failing to show up for work. He continued writing occasionally for various publications.

"All he ever wanted to do was write," said Webb's ex-wife, Susan Bell.

Webb is survived by two sons and a daughter.

Wow thanks for everyone replying to my question! I've starting to get interested in this topic so I don't know alot.

I will answer this here, but as it is off-topic, I will not reply further unless it is in PM form.



I'm still not understanding. You said that shots were fired before the raid, but no because of the agents that tried to enter, but then one agent got shot on the first attempt to enter. Perhaps you could start over.



They were indeed normal tear gas canisters. If I recall correctly, they were M650 Tear gas canisters. These are normally used for crowd control. They have a thirty second burn time (not an inciendiary; simply a chemical reaction to produce the gas), which is actually an advantage because it make the canister so hot that it becomes problematic for a mob to pick up the can and chuck it back. Unfortunatly, they can also set things on fire accidentally, so their use is confined to non-flammable situations, such as the concrete bunker at the Branch Davidian Compound. During the planning phase of the operation, Attorney Genreral Janet Reno, brand new head of office, was repeatedly assured that the canister would not be used against the wooden bunkhouse. This was repeated to her throughout the entire trial, until an investigation begun by her revealed were the error had been made. By accident, two of these canisters were used during the assault, and they do seem to be responsible for igniting the conflagration that ensued.



For starters, I do not base my opinions on what the government says, or what other unknown experts say. I do my own research and establish the credibility of the information based on my standards.

Regardless, I don't think anyone is disputing that it was an error on the part of the agents that caused the fire. What is in error is the insinuation that the government did so on purpose.

"Regardless, I don't think anyone is disputing that it was an error on the part of the agents that caused the fire. What is in error is the insinuation that the government did so on purpose."

Exactly. Great statement.

-TWA 800 (strectch)
-KGB lins to Oswald and MLKJr
-Gulf of Tonkin

my god.. that will be the day that i stand up in might, and point to those that didnt believe me and say.. "I TOLD YOU SO.. I TOLD YOU SO"


hehehe i hope that happens though within my life time...

...Aquatus1, sorry but you are wrong on this one....The government did in infact admit to using incendiary canisters at Waco, Texas....In fact if you look at the filming of that event you will see a member of the military on the roof throwing them in threw the window. Do some research... We in the military knew the day they threw them what they were throwing....

We in the military did do our research. I recommend you go back and read my post. There is a difference between an incendiary (a thermal charge designed for the sole purpose of creating a high temperature discharge in order to set fire to a location) and a M650 tear gas canister, which heats up as the chemical reaction within it creates the gas. Like I said, the issue is not wether the agents did it; we know they did it. The issue is wether they did it on purpose, and there is no indication that this was anything other than a mistake.

Although they pose a fire hazard, I don't think there's any such thing as an actual "incendiary" tear gas canister. Problem was, the FBI used them here and later one of their officials told Congress that they were not used, either mistakenly or on purpose.

The ATF had plenty to answer for about the original raid. It wasn't a conspiracy though, just incompetence and overzealousness, hardly unique traits in any government organization. A raid in broad daylight against a heavily armed group in their own compound ... what were they expecting? That the cult would see all these guys decked out in black BDU's and just decide to surrender? I'm surprised that more people didn't die initially. And the agents only stopped shooting when they ran out of ammunition. That's got to be one of the few times in law enforcement history that's happened.

It is your Constitutional Right to believe what you want, but it is in fact on tape and was admitted too,. by two ATF members. It was never proven that they had illegal weapons, only that they were buying large amounts of weapons. The child sexual abuse statements were only stated before and during the attack at Waco, once it was over it was never mentioned again....Why? ...because there was absolutelty no truth to it.