*laughs wholeheatedly* That one made me laugh. heh heh...

...anyways, I have no hatred for PPAN. I sure she's a nice girl, full of spirit and creativity. But what I do hate is naive nature, lies, and overactive imaginations. What I hate even more are school systems and parents which allow for rediclulously naive mindsets. I suppose alot of it comes down to childish innocence really. But I have no dislike for who PPAN is. But I do have dislike for who she THINKS she is.

Here is an article on the subject.

Pyro/Cryokinesis Article

Now thats a lot more heart warming and nice to know .


Thanks strichar . Psipog has explanations of a lot of Psychic Phenomenons . Guess they are a very good source after all, i'm gonna check them out...

Thanks for all you're help guys. I'm gonna go by what strichar said; by learning TK first. (After all, It's in my name.) Thanks again guys!

Thank you for the whole I have no hatred for PPAN thing. But I just wish you understood that my world isn't a fantasy.........I come on here and write many things that are admittedly "out there," but I believe that these things can be achieved or have been. It's just my thing! I risk having the weird reputation on here and maybe people thinking I'm not truthful, even though I am.

Reputation, shreputation... Nobody has a repuatation here!!

Wait... I take that back. I look up to lots of people on this forum.

"Eat a third and drink a third and leave the remaining third of your stomach empty. Then, when you get angry, there will be sufficient room for your rage."
There is no need for hatred in these forums is there?????

I thought it was, eat a third, drinka third, and leave a third to breathe...

Thank you for the whole I have no hatred for PPAN thing. But I just wish you understood that my world isn't a fantasy.

I wish you could understand that it is.


........I come on here and write many things that are admittedly "out there," but I believe that these things can be achieved or have been. It's just my thing! I risk having the weird reputation on here and maybe people thinking I'm not truthful, even though I am.

PPAN, you still don't understand do you? It's not about you being truthful, or lying. It's about you being so confued and mislead, and what you fully and innocently percieve as "truth", is infact not true. It is very possible for people to believe in mistruth so deeply that it actually becomes true for them. I can see these things in people. I have studied humans in ways you can't even imagine. Trust me on this one thing. And I feel sorry for you that something has deluded you at such an early age. Do your parents know about this? I truely hope for your sake that you someday understand my words.

Well obviously you heard wrong. Do research buddy you'll find out that that quote was by "Babylonian Talmud"

Insight,
Once and for all,
I AM NOT DELUSIONAL
I AM NOT IN A FANTASY WORLD
I AM NOT MISLEAD

You could never understand me! You don't even know me, I mean can you really tell that much from my posts, cuz if you think you can that's insane. You think everything i say is me being delusional! You say you know the psychic realm, but you honestly don't! Atmokinesis would be part of the psychic realm, why don't you believe in that? There are so many things that humans are capable of......I'm sorry that you will never fully understand what humans can do. I've read your posts many times, and have come to this conclusion:you only believe in PART of the psychic realm. Do you understand me? I hope you do and I don't have to keep repeating myself! Do you know how much I train my psychic abillities? I train almost everyday, and I train SIX abillities. Thus, it makes me sick when you go on your little rants about how what I'm saying isn't real, when I infact work VERY hard. And my hard work has been worth it. You try to put me down with all of those comments, but you know what? It doesn't matter anymore. Why don't you try practicing every day for 1-1 and a half hours a day?

When your parents see you practicing, what do they say?

PPAN, the very definition of being delussional is not being able to see that delusion.


You could never understand me!

I already do.

You don't even know me, I mean can you really tell that much from my posts, cuz if you think you can that's insane.

Whats more insane, being about to read between the lines of text, being about to anylize a person's speech patterns and vocabulary, or claiming to be able to see through solid objects? I can learn my skill in schools. You can't.

You think everything i say is me being delusional! You say you know the psychic realm, but you honestly don't!

You haven't read any of my posts have you? Everyone else can understand what I am saying, why can't you? All you do in come back time and time again with the same olf tierd defense, that I don't understand the psychic realm. PPAN, I OWN more book on the subject than you have probably ever read. I have more years experience researching this subject then you have probably even been alive for. I have dug to depths which you cannot fathom. I know levels of sacience you have not yet been introduced to.

Atmokinesis would be part of the psychic realm, why don't you believe in that?

*laughs* Your reading comprehension skills are pretty pathetic if you keep coming back with this one. Atmokinesis isn't even a proper word. The prefix "atmo" refers to steam, vapor, or atmosphere. The suffix "kinetic" refers to movement. If the logic of putting those words together creates a paionic ability, than so does rectalkinesis, guildedkinesis, and lavorkinesis. Just because you put two words together means nothing. Infact, as I have stated to you time after time, will little avail, telekinesis can refer to the movement of all matter. By giving them silly names, you could the real issues and science behind the abilities.

There are so many things that humans are capable of......I'm sorry that you will never fully understand what humans can do.

I sorry you will never understand what humans can or cannot do. Hopefully when you get older you will come out of your fantasy world and have some philosophical fodder to bring me.

I've read your posts many times, and have come to this conclusion:you only believe in PART of the psychic realm.

No, I believe in all of it, actually. What I don't believe is that you have done as much research into this subject as I have. I also don't believe you blind faith meansd anything. Sorry kiddo, but your below my level of understanding and knowledge, so you really don't have a case at all. Come back to be in ten years.

Do you understand me?

In more ways than you realize.

I hope you do and I don't have to keep repeating myself!

Repeating yourself doesn't make your point any more valid. Come back to me with a history and scientiffic dynamics of x-ray vision, or any othe rpsionic ability for that matter.

Do you know how much I train my psychic abillities?

Do you know how much time you are wasting training on something you have no understanding of? I'll bet you can't even come up with a single reference to any one of your abilities.

I train almost everyday, and I train SIX abillities.

Focus on one kid.


Thus, it makes me sick when you go on your little rants about how what I'm saying isn't real, when I infact work VERY hard.

I can pump iron for hours every day for years, and flap my arms as hard as I can, but that doesn't mean I will ever EVER lift up off the ground.

And my hard work has been worth it. You try to put me down with all of those comments, but you know what? It doesn't matter anymore. Why don't you try practicing every day for 1-1 and a half hours a day?


You seem to believe that I have never practices, nor achieved any results. Again, you obviously haven't read all of my posts. I have experimented, and witnessed experiemnts. I have seen results, and delved deep into a realm which I was not ready for. You would already understand this if you truely have read my posts. I'll tell you what, I'll copy and paste them and PM them to you.

PPAN Its better to walk away from an argument then to keep on arguing cause in the end whats the worth in it??
Just let other people believe what they want to about you. HEY if they misjudge you at least you know yourself that there wrong. No one in this world knows more about you then yourself (Accept then God).

Parents: Stop looking at those index cards and do your homework!

*laughs* That exactly what she should be doing. Imagine if instead of using 1 and a half hours every day to practice psionics, of she instead used the time to study science and dynamics of matter. When she came out of school with that base knowledge, imagine how powerful her psionics could actually become! She needs to put her psionics on hold, and learn what lies behind them. That way, she actually stands the change of being able to preform what she claims to practice.

But in another way she has to learn to tap into USING them. Learning will help improve your chances of it. But experiance is the good way of learning too.
Now I'm not saying your wrong or anything like that but experimenting with yourself using psionics I think is more better because YOU know how far your limits are not by some book or article saying how far you limits can only be pushed.

Seeing through an index card would be pretty easy if you already know what's on the other side. Gimme a break PPAN, if you made 5 index cards, you have a 1/5 chance of getting them all right. I'll bet if you get even one right you think you are making progress. The only real way to even begin to attempt esp is to have someone make new cards for you every single time. Otherwise your just playing the odds. And if you play the odds long enough, they'll turn up in your favor. Do you understand what I am saying PPAN? I'm trying to help you here.

insight, your so vauge, I suggest you start a thread and start dishing out your knowldege, I would like to learn. Also, studying may not help everyone, expiercing may not help everyone, what does help everyone understand/control ANYTHING is discovering. How many times have I discovered something, only to find out the it was discovered before me? Countless times, but this was not in vain, for I understood it on a level you can not express with words, I understood things, on a level, that goes farther than abstract, that goes into not just why, but how to make the why, how to create it, reproduce the effect. I learned why it reproduces the effect. I also learned things which are not passed on, for they are not useful in the short run, the run we live our lives by.

Basically, I suggest, if you want to understand something, you discover it your self, although learning from others is good, and learning from experiecne is good, what's better, is to start from the base, and see for yourself the indescibable things that make it up.

insight, your so vauge, I suggest you start a thread and start dishing out your knowldege, I would like to learn.

Some of what I have learned I would never teach, because it is dangerous knowledge. I myself pulled out of what I was getting into once I began to see the true nature of things. If I taught something that was against my current beliefs, I would be sinning, or leading others astray as I once led myself astray.

Also, studying may not help everyone, expiercing may not help everyone, what does help everyone understand/control ANYTHING is discovering.

How can you know what you discover if you have no base? If I discovered a new species of animal, how would I know what it was without understanding what animals were, and specie classification was? Discovering is just an excuse not to do any real work.

How many times have I discovered something, only to find out the it was discovered before me?

Prior knowledge is required to make ANY kind of discovery. How can you find something new if you don't know what a new thing is?



Basically, I suggest, if you want to understand something, you discover it your self,

You mean, learn it for yourself. Come on man, are you actually saying if I want to learn something I have to randomly stumble on to it? If you want to understand something LEARN about it in anyway you can. Discovering only leads to new definitions and new terms which are innacurate.


PPAN can't just magically discover she has the ability to see through solid objects. I can't magically discover I have the ability to control fire. Unless I have a base knowledge of what can or can't exist, I will be deluding myself. Lets say one day I "discovered" I could create fire from the palm of my hands. Two things would happen. Either I wouldn't accept it, and would know that I was insane. Or, I would accept it, and seek to explain how it was possible. If o don't seek to explain or understand how it is possible, I am insane. Accepting anything blindly is is insanity.

No, I'm saying that you look around you, and contemplate on what's around you

I never said anything about not having prior knowledge, all knowledge is good, but it seems like people are losing the ability to acually think, like really think, like use any prior knowledge, and make up things for them selves based on that, and re-discover things, so that they may understand the inner workings

btw, my definition of discover is to find it, study, think about it.

If you find something that doesn't exist, you won't be able to study it. PPAN thinks she has found x-ray vision, but has no background to study. She doesn't know that what she is actually attempting is a form of ESP prediction, not x-ray vision. If she focued on the ESP part of it, she stands the chance of actually making progress.

true...



I think she should try it while covering her eyes, and let another person hold up a object she has to see through, justa thought, the expeirment seems faulty for some reason though... maybe f she was temporarily blinded? If she covers her eyes, with "x-ray" vision she could see through her hands, to the pepper spray, and will see if it is really esp!

Ahh, X-ray vision, another power which exists only in fantasy land. Honestly, am I to believe that your eyes are emmitting X-Rays and then capturing the ones reflected? Am I also to believe that you somehow are immune to radiation?

heat-vision...

Burn little town!



I wish

Stellar knows what he's talking about with this one.

Hmm... X-rays. Pretty low on the electromagnetic spectrum. And pretty damn radioactive at that. Are you saying you see by x-rays or you produce them? And if you mean the second answer, how do you keep from mutating-- no, killing your friends and family? ;D

cancer eyes xD

xD ewww... that would be totally sick

I suspect she'd have to produce them somehow too.

well everything with the ability of sight uses SOME radiation. We use visible light which isn't harmful, and bees use ultraviolet. But having a bee look at you doesnt damage either person. So i take back the mutation/killing thing. xD

I think she means she can see through stuff, probably short-range clariyovance, but she's limiting herself by thinkig it has to be in front of her to see through it.

*shrug* I dont know if i believe in clairvoyance. Maybe, but... :\ dunno.

A beings vision is not like radar, it doesnt send out and then recieve... it just recieves.

I dont think you'll normally come by an area filled with enough radiation to pierce the skin and bounce off the bone.

and god hatheth sent down stellar to rid you of reatarded notions! and hatheth sent down insight, to make you see how insignifagant you really are compared to a human, so how great is god if they are only human?

Huh?


On another note:

AHh, only 209 posts to go!

Stellar, you and insight are very wise, that needed to be said.

Maybe physically but not subconsiously.

is this the part where i say the big "wtf"?
Yes! just say your line! WTF??!?!

I'm confused....or am I?

In any case, I'll personally wire PPAN 1000 bucks if she manages to legitimately prove her abilities to me. You hear that PPAN? 1000 bucks. And I'm not kidding. I figure it's worth it if the proof is there. Hell, with the proof alone I stand to make a bundle. And you do too! I figure you're all to lazy (Or fradulent?) to persue the whole million dollar thing.

It's time to put my money where my mouth is.

damn, need to practice more...

I don't know, would PPAN be advanced enough? I mean, proving psi to a skeptic is a little nerve racking cause...they're proving to a skeptic...

I wish I knew the strongest Psion here, arwen could be it...who knows...

Hey, do you know that guy from
these vidoe clips? You think we can drag him here and he could be our guinea pig . He would probably like these forums, guess maybe he can do something live for us like telepathy or something like that.

I DONT know what's on the other side. I make sure not to use preocg when I practice xrv. I make sure I can see the lines of the letter underneath the card. As for the psychic realm thing, I'm taking that guy's advice and not debating it anymore with you. Why should I learn how I do psionics when I can already do psionics?

And my parents DONT know about the practicing lol......they'd freak! And I'm 99% sure this isn't remote vision........and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing through things using my psi becuase when I look at the card I see the same energy moving around it like when I make a psiball.......and this is weird..........it's almost like the area where the lines to the letters are get 'highlighted' by my psi and then I can see through the card to the letter.
As for the $1,000 thing, I'll wait till I get more advanced(a few more years)! Where do you live?

...you said ONE THOUSAND. add more zeroes.

HE said 1000 bucks But I'll do it 4 more......

But PPAN, I thought you had x-ray vision? I thought you were gifted? I thought some people were born with abilities. Is there not one person here who can actually preform their said ability to the magnituse of being able to prove it to another person?

"I DONT know what's on the other side. I make sure not to use preocg when I practice xrv."

If you made the cards yourself, you already have an idea of what is on the back of them. that's what I was trying to get through to you.

"Why should I learn how I do psionics when I can already do psionics?"

I have 1000 bucks for you waiting in my online accessable account waiting to be wired to you the moment I recieve proof that you can already do psionics. It's time to put up or shut up.


Oh, and To Halio, I have commented on those video's before, and I can prove all of them to be hoaxed except for one. try to guess which one!

Are you serious, Insight? Are you really going to put $1k on the line? :\

I already have. I want to see if anyone here can provide me with the actual proof. When I get it, I will happily pay the 1000 bucks. because with the actual proof in my hand, I will be able to convince our 1mil friend, and make a pile of money. If you people don't have the means or finances to get out to this guy, I might as well do it for you, by putting some money on the line.