I've read many books on Colombus, and have come to the conclusion that Colombus knew of the new world and knew of the direction of the winds from either reading accounts of the Portugese whale hunters or having been a whale hunter captain himself. My conspiracy lies upon why none of this is taught in our public schools and why textbooks still make the claim that most people in Colombus's time thought the world was flat? (which is so not true) My theory is that the people that right these textbooks are just plain stupid, ignorant, or just don't give a damn about what they publish just so long as it sounds close enough.
What do you think?
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QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 14 2004, 11:23 PM)
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history as the general public knows it is a complete fabrication-there are people who know the truth but enjoy keeping it a secret as it empowers them psycologically-there was a discovery show out recently which talked about a mummy which had high levels of cocain in its body(apparently from years of use)-the implication was that a maintained trade route,with the south american area,must have been necessary-forbidden archeology is one of my favorite subjects-anyone else familiar with the topic?
Yes, but surely the egyptians, who took records and wrote down everything they did, would have recorded such a trade route.
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Yes, but surely the egyptians, who took records and wrote down everything they did, would have recorded such a trade route.
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surely but the concept behind "forbidden archeology" is that there is a degree of suppression being perpetrated-the great pyramid in giza contains no hyroglyphics inside whatsoever and the water erosion on the sphinx(proposed by prof robert schock)points to a construction date(est 10,000bc) pre-dating the egyptians by thousands of years-
As a matter of fact, some months ago I had posted about this topic and the "Conspiracy of Columbus", as I would call it. That is, why everybody tries to deny the historical truths about Columbus (Or Cristobal Colon, as his actual name was).
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It is a commonly accepted fact that Christopher Columbus, the man who discovered America in 1492 and founded the first colonies of the New World, was of Italian origin; a Genovese woolworker, in specific. But History is made by humans, and thus inherits all the flaws that come with the human misconception and prejudice. History sometimes holds records not of the actual truth, but instead of the truth that the people who created these records would like to pass onto the next generations. Christopher Columbus and the truth about his nationality is one perfect example, that much extended, as to enter the areas of conspiracy
According to the commonly accepted facts, Christopher Columbus was born in Genova in 1451, was a woolworker until 1473, year in which the first seeds of his future dreams and desires to find a new way to China, sailing westwards, started to grow. Many futile years passed, as he desperately (and in vain) tried to persuade the Royalties of western Europe to finance his desired journeys. Finally, in 1492, as we all know, he received the funds and Royal support he needed in order to turn his dream into reality.
The first questions that arise are simple, yet crucial. How can it be possible for a woolworker, a person without education, without any talent other than the skills of his labor, to become suddenly a man who reads, writes and speaks Spanish, Portuguese, Greek and Latin, corresponds with famous scientists and geographers of his time for many scientific matters, negotiates with Kings and Queens, and becomes the fearless navigator and seaman that dares to sail where no man had gone before (as it was believed in 15th century, at least)? Also, another important fact. There is not a single letter written by Columbus in Italian language, including the ones sent to the Pope. How can it be, an Italian person, living in Genova until his 22d birthday, to use the Spanish language to write a letter to the Pope?
Some other interesting details. When Columbus' son and biographer, Ferdinard, visited Genova (among other Italian cities) in 1515 and also in 1521, he could not locate a single relative of his father, nor his place of birth. Also, despite the fact that there were many relatives and descendants of the woolworker named Domenico Colombo (supposed father of Christopher), none of them claimed to be a relative of the explorer and navigator Christopher Columbus, nor he attempted to claim part of his inheritance. In addition, the authorities of Genova never offered to assist in any way Christopher Columbus (supposedly not only a Genovese citizen, but a very eminent one) in his troubled times in Spain. On the other hand, Spanish authorities never referred to Columbus as Italian, or as Spanish, either. Plus, on the contrary with the contemporary practises that demanded for the nationality of an individual to be mentioned in official documents, in no official document Columbus was ever addressed as "Genovese". It was mentioned mostly as Cristobal Colon, the name that he was known and referred to in Spain, without any other remark about his nationality. He was actually a stateless man..
A final detail: in 1501, when Bobadilla brought Columbus back to Spain in chains, a letter by the navigator was sent to the Spanish Royalties, in which Columbus says that up until the year 1500, he had 40 years of maritime service. Adding an earlier statement of his, that he went to sea for the first time when he was 14, plus around 7 years in his attempts to persuade the Spanish Kings, that would mean that he was 61 years old in 1501, meaning that he was born in 1439. The suggestion that Cristoforo Colombo was born in 1451 is true, but it has nothing to do with Cristobal Colon, Cristopher Columbus, who discovered America. It was a completely different person...
According to the commonly accepted facts, Christopher Columbus was born in Genova in 1451, was a woolworker until 1473, year in which the first seeds of his future dreams and desires to find a new way to China, sailing westwards, started to grow. Many futile years passed, as he desperately (and in vain) tried to persuade the Royalties of western Europe to finance his desired journeys. Finally, in 1492, as we all know, he received the funds and Royal support he needed in order to turn his dream into reality.
The first questions that arise are simple, yet crucial. How can it be possible for a woolworker, a person without education, without any talent other than the skills of his labor, to become suddenly a man who reads, writes and speaks Spanish, Portuguese, Greek and Latin, corresponds with famous scientists and geographers of his time for many scientific matters, negotiates with Kings and Queens, and becomes the fearless navigator and seaman that dares to sail where no man had gone before (as it was believed in 15th century, at least)? Also, another important fact. There is not a single letter written by Columbus in Italian language, including the ones sent to the Pope. How can it be, an Italian person, living in Genova until his 22d birthday, to use the Spanish language to write a letter to the Pope?
Some other interesting details. When Columbus' son and biographer, Ferdinard, visited Genova (among other Italian cities) in 1515 and also in 1521, he could not locate a single relative of his father, nor his place of birth. Also, despite the fact that there were many relatives and descendants of the woolworker named Domenico Colombo (supposed father of Christopher), none of them claimed to be a relative of the explorer and navigator Christopher Columbus, nor he attempted to claim part of his inheritance. In addition, the authorities of Genova never offered to assist in any way Christopher Columbus (supposedly not only a Genovese citizen, but a very eminent one) in his troubled times in Spain. On the other hand, Spanish authorities never referred to Columbus as Italian, or as Spanish, either. Plus, on the contrary with the contemporary practises that demanded for the nationality of an individual to be mentioned in official documents, in no official document Columbus was ever addressed as "Genovese". It was mentioned mostly as Cristobal Colon, the name that he was known and referred to in Spain, without any other remark about his nationality. He was actually a stateless man..
A final detail: in 1501, when Bobadilla brought Columbus back to Spain in chains, a letter by the navigator was sent to the Spanish Royalties, in which Columbus says that up until the year 1500, he had 40 years of maritime service. Adding an earlier statement of his, that he went to sea for the first time when he was 14, plus around 7 years in his attempts to persuade the Spanish Kings, that would mean that he was 61 years old in 1501, meaning that he was born in 1439. The suggestion that Cristoforo Colombo was born in 1451 is true, but it has nothing to do with Cristobal Colon, Cristopher Columbus, who discovered America. It was a completely different person...
Some other truths behind Colombus was he subscribed himself to the school of thought (headed by Ptolomey?) that stated the earth was only12000 miles in circumference, the other school (headed by Caepurnecus?) said the earth was 20000. Colombus had badly underestimated the circumference (by almost half!), but in an odd way this worked to his advantage. Colombus's estimate would say that there were 4000 miles of ocean in the Atlantic between Europe and China, the other school's theory had estimated that there were 12000 miles of ocean between the two. But at the time, there were no ships capable of making a 12000 mile voyage, thougha 4000 mile voyage was not out of the question.
It is also disputed and highly theorized that Colombus made a journey to Iceland where more than likely he had studied written records of the Viking account to probably as far as New Foundland. Many also theorize that Colombus had either read of the accounts or had been a Portugese whale hunter. The whale hunting fleets frequently chased whales of the coast of what is now New Foundland, as far down south as Massachusates, and possibly some of the Greater Antilles (There are accounts of hunter and merchant ships blowing off course and comming in vierw of such islands like those in the Carribean).
The big kick is how did Colombus know of the wind patterns? The thing was, the winds (westerlies?) that sailed Colombus out to the New World only blew west, and Colombus's ships were incapable of sailing up wind (primitive sails). Now, it's not as if Colombus said "Hey, we'll make it there riding these winds and then hike back across Asia", no. He knew of the winds that the Portugese had been using for years, which indeed were the same winds that he used to take him and his crew home.
It is also disputed and highly theorized that Colombus made a journey to Iceland where more than likely he had studied written records of the Viking account to probably as far as New Foundland. Many also theorize that Colombus had either read of the accounts or had been a Portugese whale hunter. The whale hunting fleets frequently chased whales of the coast of what is now New Foundland, as far down south as Massachusates, and possibly some of the Greater Antilles (There are accounts of hunter and merchant ships blowing off course and comming in vierw of such islands like those in the Carribean).
The big kick is how did Colombus know of the wind patterns? The thing was, the winds (westerlies?) that sailed Colombus out to the New World only blew west, and Colombus's ships were incapable of sailing up wind (primitive sails). Now, it's not as if Colombus said "Hey, we'll make it there riding these winds and then hike back across Asia", no. He knew of the winds that the Portugese had been using for years, which indeed were the same winds that he used to take him and his crew home.
Spooky fellow he was...
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Dec 15 2004, 01:36 PM)
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 14 2004, 11:23 PM)
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history as the general public knows it is a complete fabrication-there are people who know the truth but enjoy keeping it a secret as it empowers them psycologically-there was a discovery show out recently which talked about a mummy which had high levels of cocain in its body(apparently from years of use)-the implication was that a maintained trade route,with the south american area,must have been necessary-forbidden archeology is one of my favorite subjects-anyone else familiar with the topic?
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... and adding more insight...
I totally agree that History is written biasly, depending on who has the Gold, Power and Influenced during that time.
It is like the Government nowadays, where they can Edit, Alter and Used Media to Influence the public on what they should think.
So during the early periodic time, History is written or Orally transmitted by the people who are in Power, because they used their will and Hard Handed Authority to make up their version of Story.
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 15 2004, 06:27 PM)
It is also disputed and highly theorized that Colombus made a journey to Iceland where more than likely he had studied written records of the Viking account to probably as far as New Foundland.
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That is a fact. Indeed, Columbus (Or Colon) traveled in many places seeking for any info or maps he could find. Iceland was, most probably, one of his stops. Another one was the island of Chios, in Greece, where according to the legend he spoke with a local seaman who allegedly had traveled some years ago "To a distand land in the west". That and many other things led the writer Ruth G. Durlacher-Wolper to claim that Columbus was of Byzantine origin, from a family in Chios. For anyone interested in these theories, a good link is the follow:
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EVERYONE KEEP THIS IN MIND! Very little of what they tell you in shcool is actually true. Or, it is only partially true. QUESTION EVERYTHING! And I mean EVERYTHING!
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EVERYONE KEEP THIS IN MIND! Very little of what they tell you in shcool is actually true. Or, it is only partially true. QUESTION EVERYTHING! And I mean EVERYTHING!
Or it could just be that most schoolbooks you get were written in the 50's and 60's before such things were widely known, and thanks to budget cuts, few schools order newer ones. Teachers just teach out of the books they get. They don't care. They collect their checks and go home just like everyone else who has a job..
one overlooked clue about ancient trade can be found in the similarities of the mayan and egyptian cultures-both were pyramid builders who revered the feathered serpent-or SUN!
I think many archeologists are now saying, the entire race of humanity is way older then we all thought, predating the dinosaurs! But there will always be the debunkers and hard core skeptics to totally ruin the evidence. But i do believe there is a national cover-up. The egyptian government doesn't want anyone to dig under the sphinx to prevent some catastrophe. But i still think people are doing research in and around there. Money goes a long way.........
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