waterjet
Dec 15 2004, 04:54 PM
In my opinion there will never be any public disclosure by the government of the United States regarding UFOs. Unless there is an event that can't be covered up it just will never happen. Anyone that seriously studies the subject matter of UFOs can clearly see the government has always lied about it to the American people.
Mexico is interesting as their government takes the opposite approach. They don't offer any answers because they don't have any. At least they don't supress it.
Waterjet
Bio-Mage
Dec 16 2004, 10:43 AM
Although future plans concerning disclosure or not of such informmation, do look on this ealrier thread here...
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=29196I have always believed goverments provide cover for a lot of serious matters around the globe. However the way misinformation overwhelms most reported incidents, its hard to tell if it is aliens they are covering or something more mundane. I suppose for the most part we just have to wait and see.
Alien_child
Dec 16 2004, 10:59 AM
the governments will only coverup things for a reason, if people hear about aliens crashing in your backyard its going to send panic throughout the country. just like when they played war of the worlds on the radio people shat them selves and in a blind panic people were packing up there belongings a fleeing the state. Some people are fasinated by aliens others and just terrified of them. governments cant risk the costs and the trust of the people who are scared witless by these aliens ... u cant plz them all
waterjet
Dec 16 2004, 11:55 AM
QUOTE(Alien_child @ Dec 16 2004, 10:59 AM)
the governments will only coverup things for a reason, if people hear about aliens crashing in your backyard its going to send panic throughout the country. just like when they played war of the worlds on the radio people shat them selves and in a blind panic people were packing up there belongings a fleeing the state. Some people are fasinated by aliens others and just terrified of them. governments cant risk the costs and the trust of the people who are scared witless by these aliens ... u cant plz them all
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*** Perhaps that was the case years ago. I doubt that to be true now. The evidence Earth has been and is being visited is overwhelming. No government and most certainly a super power will never want to admit to the existence of a greater power in their own backyard. It will never happen.
pallidin
Dec 17 2004, 03:45 AM
In times past, this was a problem. Potential of riots, mass suicides, etc...
We have grown and are ready now.
Unorthodox Thesis
Dec 17 2004, 03:51 AM
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Anyone that seriously studies the subject matter of UFOs can clearly see the government has always lied about it to the American people.
I agree. However, if someone studies about UFOs to a greater extent,
you will also clearly see that the government has no controll over UFOs.
Art Vandelay
Dec 17 2004, 04:11 AM
QUOTE(Norman @ Dec 17 2004, 03:51 AM)
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Anyone that seriously studies the subject matter of UFOs can clearly see the government has always lied about it to the American people.
I agree. However, if someone studies about UFOs to a greater extent,
you will also clearly see that the government has no controll over UFOs.
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So in simple terms, even though the government has lied to the American people about U.F.O.'s it's because they (the gov) can't control them or confirm why 'they' are here invading our air space?
It makes since, the gov can't flat out say they don't know who/what alien spacecraft are because it shows that they (the gov) can't regulate our airspace like they are supposed to be doing. I mean what good is the "Air Force" if we can't even control our own air space?
pallidin
Dec 17 2004, 04:30 AM
QUOTE(Art Vandelay @ Dec 16 2004, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE(Norman @ Dec 17 2004, 03:51 AM)
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Anyone that seriously studies the subject matter of UFOs can clearly see the government has always lied about it to the American people.
I agree. However, if someone studies about UFOs to a greater extent,
you will also clearly see that the government has no controll over UFOs.
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So in simple terms, even though the government has lied to the American people about U.F.O.'s it's because they (the gov) can't control them or confirm why 'they' are here invading our air space?
It makes since, the gov can't flat out say they don't know who/what alien spacecraft are because it shows that they (the gov) can't regulate our airspace like they are supposed to be doing. I mean what good is the "Air Force" if we can't even control our own air space?
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What the heck was that? What good is the Air Force? A lot besides chasing aliens.
Art Vandelay
Dec 17 2004, 04:37 AM
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What the heck was that? What good is the Air Force? A lot besides chasing aliens
It means No Disclosure Will Happen. The Government will never admit to something they can't control....what did you miss?
waterjet
Dec 17 2004, 02:56 PM
QUOTE(Art Vandelay @ Dec 17 2004, 04:37 AM)
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What the heck was that? What good is the Air Force? A lot besides chasing aliens
It means No Disclosure Will Happen. The Government will never admit to something they can't control....what did you miss?
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I agree with you Vandelay. Unless an event takes place that can't be covered up by any means, don't expect any Disclosure. It will never happen. This is really a shame as this (UFOs) remains by far the most interesting story of all time.
Waterjet
Unorthodox Thesis
Dec 17 2004, 05:10 PM
Maybe not.... but if the government does know something about
UFOs, we have our loyal spies who usually give us an update when
they're ready to retire out of the Air Force. I mean, what does
government hope to accomplish by killing a 70 year old retiaree?
Art Vandelay
Dec 18 2004, 03:00 AM
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Unless an event takes place that can't be covered up by any means, don't expect any Disclosure. It will never happen.
Don't count on it. It might happen sooner than you expect.
If/when the gov does disclose anything about Aliens it will not be for our (the people's) advantage. On the surface it will look that way but it'll be to the gov's advantage.
The reason why I say that "Disclosure Will Never Happen" is because it truly won't. Whatever the government tells us is going on might seem new to us but it's very old news to the gov and that's the way they like to keep it.
Mysteryman
Dec 18 2004, 04:48 AM
Like people have mentioned, if something that big were to occur on our planet, literal covering up would be impossible. If something that big were to hit the public or a big enough object to be a mass object compared to objects on our planet, hidden evidence would be scarce. The public is like the home of ticks and fleas and lice. They immediatly hop and settle in and want to know everything they possibly can and get on top of everything and will not stop nagging until every single thing they want is answered, given, and released. Evidence examples in cases like these would just unfortunately for the government would have to be admitted as the real deal of our planet. But of course, you are right. The government is hiding many things from us but it is for our own good in the case that if people found out that the true identity of the existence of vampires exist, the whole city would run and immediatly stay in shelter! I hate to admit it, but its for our own good and lives of privacy.
whoa182
Dec 18 2004, 05:40 AM
I Dont think the Government could cover up something like this. I believe that what people are seeing a Experimental Aircraft.
Yes I do believe in Aliens and I do believe that they are going around and exploring space. I also think that They would be obviously far more advanced so they might be able to cover themselves extremely well, Blend in with space, blend in the with enviornment, things like that.
Say Aliens did show up, I dont think it would be covered up. It would be the Biggest Find and discovery in the history of the human race. It would answer a lot of questions and it would make us ask questions.
Religious beliefs?
physics! It will get them guys thinking cos, Space is a massive place, These aliens will have probably travelled big distances, Therefor how! The only way we (humans) are getting out of our local area in the galaxy is make a discovery that
You can Warp space and time, Warp drive is possible... Not even going the speed of light, 180.000 miles per SECOND is not really good enough in space.
I really hope so much that we do discovere aliens, it will truely change the world and change our view of who we are as a species forever.
waterjet
Dec 18 2004, 12:52 PM
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Dec 18 2004, 05:40 AM)
I Dont think the Government could cover up something like this. I believe that what people are seeing a Experimental Aircraft.
**** They have been doing so for many years!! Some UFO sightings are certainly experimental aircraft. Not all.
Yes I do believe in Aliens and I do believe that they are going around and exploring space. I also think that They would be obviously far more advanced so they might be able to cover themselves extremely well, Blend in with space, blend in the with enviornment, things like that.
Say Aliens did show up, I dont think it would be covered up. It would be the Biggest Find and discovery in the history of the human race. It would answer a lot of questions and it would make us ask questions.
**** It has been covered up. FOIA papers clearly show that it has. No government wants to acknowledge a power greater than their own.
Religious beliefs?
physics! It will get them guys thinking cos, Space is a massive place, These aliens will have probably travelled big distances, Therefor how! The only way we (humans) are getting out of our local area in the galaxy is make a discovery that
You can Warp space and time, Warp drive is possible... Not even going the speed of light, 180.000 miles per SECOND is not really good enough in space.
I really hope so much that we do discovere aliens, it will truely change the world and change our view of who we are as a species forever.
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You place far too much trust in governments being open and honest in regards to this matter. If you study the subject and really do some homework you'll soon see how wrong your present assumptions are.
Falco Rex
Dec 18 2004, 02:21 PM
Or it just may be that there's nothing to cover up really. Imagine a scenario that goes like this...People see strange things in the sky and look to the Government for answers. But the government has no real knowledge of any of this and really doesn't care all that much beyond a few tentative studies. Having no real knowledge of anything, they deny there even are UFOs'.
This denial only outrages UFO buffs and conspiracy nuts who demand answers and cry cover-up at every opportunity. So the Government "leaks" a few documents here and there to pacify some people and imply that they know what's going on. This makes the Powers that be look smarter than they actually are, and gives the nut-jobs something to do; uncovering the "truth" as it were..
Meanwhile; as every ones looking in the wrong direction, the Government goes on with the business of running the country, while whatever may or may not be flying around in our atmosphere does so with impunity, just as it has for thousands of years..
Just a funny thought..
Art Vandelay
Dec 18 2004, 04:22 PM
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while whatever may or may not be flying around in our atmosphere does so with impunity
That's the problem, there is no 'may or may not' about it. It IS happening and you'd better believe the gov is far more worried about it than you are led to believe. For instance the
The 1976 Tehran, Iran UFO Incident is a perfect example of something 'unknown' definately flying about with impunity. It was also tracked by radar, DSP satellite (this is the first and ONLY time this has ever happened) and seen by military and civilian witnesses.
Now try and convince me that ANY government wouldn't be concerned about something like that.

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Falco Rex
Dec 18 2004, 05:29 PM
They may indeed be concerned if it were genuinely something from outer space. But you have to admit; if it was an experimental aircraft what better sop for the masses would there be than the "Golly wow; would you look at that!" story.
If it was tracked by satellite this argues more than ever that it would be a terrestrial craft, since apparently it usually doesn't happen in popular UFO lore.
Not to mention the fact that Iran wouldn't have been thrilled to have one of the superpowers testing experimental craft in it's airspace. It's hard to argue with the "I don't know; must have been a UFO" response."
waterjet
Dec 18 2004, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(Falco Rex @ Dec 18 2004, 05:29 PM)
They may indeed be concerned if it were genuinely something from outer space. But you have to admit; if it was an experimental aircraft what better sop for the masses would there be than the "Golly wow; would you look at that!" story.
If it was tracked by satellite this argues more than ever that it would be a terrestrial craft, since apparently it usually doesn't happen in popular UFO lore.
Not to mention the fact that Iran wouldn't have been thrilled to have one of the superpowers testing experimental craft in it's airspace. It's hard to argue with the "I don't know; must have been a UFO" response."
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That's a likely scenario. However, it really takes nothing away from several obvious conclusions one comes to if they have studied the subject of ufos. The evidence is overwhelming that the earth has been and is being visited by other life forms. The United States government has clearly lied to the American people about it and will always continue to do so. The government will always have first hand information about this subject in the various hands of the spook military groups. And by the way, they have not been able to keep things secret as information has been leaking out for over fifty years. The case for the UFO has been established. Some UFOs are alien spacecraft.
whoa182
Dec 19 2004, 06:13 AM
Think how old the earth is... Mabey our earth has already been discovered by other civilaztions from somewhere in space. Mabey our planet had already been searched for INTELLIGENT life when we humans were not about. I dont know.
but the earth has a long history and mabey humans have just missed them when they did come here.
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