Yup, I got it. Thanks. I sent you back a short pm that said thanks and called you 'Jesusdude'... and then it apologized saying I say 'dude' a lot..ahaha

oh, no i sent you another one afterwards.... hmm... i'll send it again i guess

"Whoa, I'm so sorry, I didn't even realize i got this PM until 2 minutes ago.

Well, the fish thing is affectionatley called a "Jesus fish" by many people. Back in the days while Jesus was around, and even afterwards, when people would meet up on the road, if you were christian, you'd draw a fish in the sand, or dirt, or whatever you may be walking on... that's how christians would know that the other person was christian.

i forgot what the writing on the inside means, but i'm pretty sure it's latin... i'm gonna go look it up again...

sorry for taking so long to notice that PM. "


This is the only one I've gotten.



KAT! The story???

Well, technically, yes. Souls come from the 7th Heaven. We are created on Earth, in our human bodies but our souls are created by God in Heaven. We all come from there, some people it just seems don't want to go home... God created everything, and it's not just limited to what Christians believe. When they threw out all these texts, they lost all the knopledge the ancients had, and their understanding of God. Now it's all about Heaven being in a cloud, and angels being dead humans (which they are not. Only 2 humans ever became angels, Enoch and Elijah, Enoch became Metratron, and Elijah Sandalphon, Enoch's twin). God is the Father and creator of all, it's not just about 'oh, if you do this you'll go to hell' this kind of domination came in in the middle ages for control. Yes, there is a hell, but what you should be thinking about is God, not hell, God, not satan (another area where Christinaity went wrong, saying satan has all this power of his own accord he does not. EVERYONE including satan and the fallen are UNDER GOD. God allows peopel to do what they want here because He wants to se what people will do.)

I don't belong here either. Join the club lol

I just sent you the other one

anywho! back to the topic, and enough talk about PM's... Kat'll send it eventually...

so uh, God and stuff!

Reincarnation DOES exist. Some people use that as a way to throw off God saying peopel neither go to Heaven nor hell, but they do. Maybe that might answer something there for you hell is a prison house. When Jesus was talking about being born again, He wasn't talking about a New Age Christian group lol. This is our testing ground, if you screw up, you *might* be given another chance. A chance to come back a clean slate and right the wrongs of your past. Angels have been born human too you know, however, there is usually a reason for it. Enoch even, was said to have been an angel before he became Metatron, which is quite possible because he got such a high rank. Anyway, back to reincarnation, Judiasm believes in it, (and Christianities roots are in Judiasm whether they like it or not). They even have an account of a story very close to that of Romeo and Juliet (suicide normally constititues a hell sentence, because it is murder of oneself, you just can't get our of your life sentence like that ) But, God, in that case, made an exception and allowed them to come back and find ewach other again, and marry (they weren'ta loowed to get married the first time. The movie 'What Dreams May Come' is based to a slight degree on this story).

And, about angels being born human, that's not the same as the 200 that fell. They made themselves appear human (thoug they were still in angel form, hence their hybrid children) and did so against the will of God. If God sends them, it's different to them falling to do it. However, like I said before, they weren't evil, they fell...

Yes, it would appear angels (which are stars) do not die, contrary to some popular beliefs.

My brother has that game lol. Well, it is and it isn't. Jesus said he came here to divide. Everything is a test. It's not the 'system' (religion) so much, as the belief and understanding. However, some general guidelines do apply....

Ok, the 2 fish again goes back to astrology (which they used to understand before. You know the 3 wise men were astrologers right?) anyway, it symbolizes Pisces. Pisces is sacrifice, and belief. Jesus was a sacrifice for humanity. He was also the lamb...

True, but your sins are wiped away and forgotten after you repent. You are then expected to well 'keep up the good work' so to speak.

Sorry guys. Didn't I say I'd be leaving soon? Alright I thought I sent the story already but I'll do it again.

[Man the orchestra was so freaking awesome].



Yeah I have it. Darn fun, too... but for some reason it would always lock up in one spot. I dunno if it was just that copy or if it was a glitch in alla them. Oh well. Yeah I've wondered about that, too.

I was wondering. I've noticed a lot of people have created religions because they can't stand not knowing the way we came into existence. Or our world, for that matter. In English we read some old stories where a guy told of his belief: the Earth was made from the back of a turtle. Yes. A turtle shell. The Earth was one big ocean and there were only marine creatures. [This makes no sense]. So these otters and seal and stuff come up and slap some mud on the turtle's back and -woot!- LAND!!!

I dunno, it seems silly. Whenever someone tries to explain "how we got here" or whatever, all they do is create another question. [As in the story I read: Where the hell did the turtle come from, right??] Well to me it seems to be the same thing wherever you look.

I'm not just talking creationism. I mean even that stupid "big bang" theory where some microscopic little piece of matter jsut happened to be floating around somewhere and spontaneously blew up and -woot!!!- the universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can see my question already: "Where the hell did the little tiny piece of matter come from, then?" "Where teh hell did god come from, then?" You know what I mean?

You know what........ I'm starting a new thread, this is osunding good. I'll just do a little copy and a little paste........

This only applies if you believe in God. To me, and thousands of other atheists, God was created to explain things that humans couldn't... How easy was it for people of yesteryear to say that God created the stars, if they weren't quite sure exactly what stars were yet? This is where I find a problem with religion. I'm definatly open for new ideas, but I guess my brain is too stubborn to just believe, I need concrete proof:)

somehow I managed to quote the wrong thing...
still trying to figure out how to quote people


I was trying to quote Ashley Star Child... "God made the stars, God made astrology"

Excuse me!

Ho Hum

Yakity, yak, yak, yak,

Yadda, yadda, yadda,

Blah, blah blah

That's the point, they COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THEN BY THEIR OWN MEANS, BUT THEY DID KNOW. They knew from the secrets of Heaven which were given away.

Well, dude, from the way you sound, 'agnostic' would describe you better than 'atheist'. antheists don't believe in god period, but agnostic people believe that its impossible to know whether god exists or not (at least without proof). Plus, agnostic sounds more respectful than antheist to a lot of religious people out there...

Oh, nevermind me, just blabbing on my own thoughts.. its good to follow the beat of a different drum (or in my case, MANY different drums, each day the tune changes )

btw, I'm a dudette and in response... went through a phase... thought I was agnostic. But my brain is too rooted in logic for that. I need proof. to me, science is logical proof. Religion (to me) and the concept of a god or god (to me) is taking the easy way out of the rough and tumble path of finding the real truth that IS most certainly out there. We just don't have the answers yet.

when is says own image it is referring that just as long as Adam looked to God and trusted him he reflected the Creators image(or character).the devil came to Adam and Eve to do away with the image of God and to make them like him.

Anyone who comes to God in faith shall be changed into Gods image by the holy spirit.

Where the hell did you get that from. There are TOO MANY RELIGIONS out there, honestly.

the bible and no place else. KJV

Before I gave my life fully to Christ I used to be a drug addict. I have done Magic Mushrooms well over 600 times, and LSD at least 150 times. I have smoked so much pot I could even begin to know how much it has been in total. I have had slavia that took me to another dimension. I have tried drugs you probably haven't ever heard of like LSA, 2-cb, 2-ct7, Dextromethorphan, and Dipenhydramine, to name a few. I have abused Codine, Cocaine heavily, Crack, and even smoked heroin a few times. I've stayed up for weeks on Crystal Meth. I've done Ecstacy at least 40 times. I've tried peyote, and the derivative mescalin. I've even huffed gasses. I used to drink a mickey of whiskey a day at least. I did so many drugs I couldn't support myself properly, and often chose food over drugs. And I used to mix them all too. I used to combine them for different effects. It was my hobby. It was my art. It was my science. It was my LIFE. I did so many drugs I'm lucky to still be alive, and I am deadly seriously about this. I ended up in the hospital more than once. And I can assure you, drugs are not the way to God. They are not the path to God. And they will not show you God. Trust me, I thought I saw God on many occasions. I even thought I talked to him. But it was all deceptions.

I couldn't quit. No matter how I tried, I couldn't quit. No matter how I wanted to, and believe me, I wanted to, I couldn't quit. i went to Rehab 3 times. I went to alcoholics anonymous. I tried it all. And the only thing that worked, and I mean the ONLY thing that worked was having God come into my life. Infact, you could say that I would be dead right now if it wasn't for him. Either that, or I would be in jail, or living on the streets. Now I have been blessed with wealth, a house, and everything I need. And none of it could have happened without divine intervetion.

I don't know of you know what it is like to be addicted to drugs. You prbably don't. But lests just say i was to the point of criminal activity, even stealing from my best friends, just so I could get my next hookup. Nothing was going to stop it. I was to the point where I would inject cocaine while I was at WORK!

God, and God alone got me out of it all. Now, tell me that he doesn't exist. I'm living proof.

You've either got a very shitty translation, or you're looking into something that isn't there. Let me give you an example of the SHITTIEST translation I've come across so far (and this made me LAUGH).



LOL. I'm sorry but 'big hole that has no bottom'? Whatever happened to the word ABYSS, which was the original word. Not bottomless pit, not big hole with no bottom. This is where things get lost in translation. And the meaning changes which every word thay change. This is WHY it was forbidden.