"The greatest lie the devil ever told was to convince the world he did not exist."


What if, the greatest deception the devil ever did was to convince the world he did not exist but by staging the death of Jesus christ.... by pretending to be the son of god, and pretending to be the saviour of mankind.. as part of his master plan to bring evil throughout the world?

i mean i know this may be blasphamous for me as im a true believer in jesus.... but... i cant help to think... wat if the devil.. only pretended to be jesus.... giving us false hope to use it to greed ourselves so we may in turn fight wars.... wars and civil wars fought not for the differences of a countries status.. but the differences of a countries religion (ie. Philippines) .....

"The greatest lie the devil ever told was to convince the world he did not exits, by pretending to be the saviour of the world."

ill elaborate more when i have the time later.. i may not have any evidence or proof or links etc.. forgive me.. but im only going off thoughts here....

intersting.... I'll keep on the safe side and not ask any questions.

Thats like one of the points I've been making for a long time. People come and say that atheists and non christians are decieved by the devil... so I come back and say "What if its you that is decieved by the devil?"

Interesting question, but the answer is quite simple. Only thing is, sometimes simple answers are very well hidden because people tend to overlook them. Anyway, in order to answer yourself why do you believe Jesus is the true son of God, you should ask yourself why do you believe in Him? What is the element that makes you believe that he was the hope for all humankind's salvation. And the answer is...(At least the one I give)
Because Jesus was the perfection (and in extension what we must have as a goal) of the absolute love and the total lack of selfishness. He let love and caring pour out of Him, He let goodness spread from Him and His actions, showing thus the perfect (alas, the unattainable) for us all. If the Devil is the personification of selfishness and hatred and evil, I fail to see how he gets any benefit by Jesus' life and actions...

How about there is no so called Devil and JC was a crucified man they created a religion out of and later decided he was God. Stories used as tools of control?
Makes just as much sense.

Maybe Jesus was a double agent. Working both angles. Holy (No pun intended) crap!!!!
I just had a major revelation! Jesus was Illuminati! Possibly a lizard man.

Interesting theory though. Glad to see someone has the cajones to actually think something not printed in the Bible. Keep it up...

At one time in the early Hebrew bible there was no devil god did both good and bad. Your statement is not that far off.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm#bce

I was told by a christian that the devil went back in time and created Mythra so there would be comfusion about the bible. What your saying is no more stranger than that.

If there was a conspiriacy to control the thoughts of all the peoples of the world, which i beleive exsists all around us, religeon would be a huge part of it. Think about it; all the laws are based on the ten commandments, which i beleive were handed to Moses from ET's, in a good-hearted effort to help us.

Religeon is what keeps us in line. Well, most of us. People like me have lost our faith, but much of the world still beleives in the god we've been taught of and follows his (or THEIR) teachings.

Believers have the knowledge of how to test spirits and knowledge to determine where they come from. With spiritual descernment, we are able to tell weather or not Jesus was Satan.


Thats like one of the points I've been making for a long time. People come and say that atheists and non christians are decieved by the devil... so I come back and say "What if its you that is decieved by the devil?"

Without having spiritual descernment it is impossible for you to understand how we can test the spirits and tell the difference. There are many ways. We are told ot test any "message" of divinity in these ways, even those in the bible.


At one time in the early Hebrew bible there was no devil god did both good and bad. Your statement is not that far off.

You've actually read the Hebrew Bible? Or have you just read what others have said about it? It clearly accounts for Lucifer's existance. Maybe you didn't know what you were looking for. Just a thought.


If there was a conspiriacy to control the thoughts of all the peoples of the world, which i beleive exsists all around us, religeon would be a huge part of it. Think about it; all the laws are based on the ten commandments, which i beleive were handed to Moses from ET's, in a good-hearted effort to help us.

I assume that is just a belief, which I suppose you are totally entitled to. But it is lacking in biblical and spiritual knowledge.

However, religion IS one of the main forms of control over the masses. But remember this: Man created religion. God created faith.

Thats a fancy way of saying "People who believe what I believe arent being decieved because I dont want them to be."

If you say Lucifer is a deciever, and a creation of god which was supposed to be perfect and have the powers of god... isnt it simply arrogent to assume that you can outsmart it and figure out if its lying to you?

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[quote]Without having spiritual descernment it is impossible for you to understand how we can test the spirits and tell the difference. There are many ways. We are told ot test any "message" of divinity in these ways, even those in the bible.
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Thats a fancy way of saying "People who believe what I believe arent being decieved because I dont want them to be."

Nah, that's not it. Tons of us are fully deceived. Some more than others.


If you say Lucifer is a deciever, and a creation of god which was supposed to be perfect and have the powers of god... isnt it simply arrogent to assume that you can outsmart it and figure out if its lying to you?

Lucifer wasn't created perfect, nor did he have the power which God had. Lucifer was an angel, and angels can make a choice. They also have limited power. Lucifer was the most powerful of the Angels. He didn't have powers OF GOD, he had powers of HIMSELF. He chose what to do with them. God gave him that choice. God let him make the choice.

If you account for Lucifers power, you must also account for God's power, which is much greater. Man by himself cannot have the power to not be decived. Only God's power IN man can do that. By having God live in you, HIS power can show you ways in which you are being tempted and decieved. Without God, you are in the dark. Even WITH God, many of us managed to decieve ourselves, and be decieved. We are never perfect in this. But rather, we seek God every day and ask him to reveal to us His Truth, and Satan's Lies.

i agree,if you guys are implying that christianity is an evil decieving institution-his(jesus) story is based on the oldest story ever told and basically an adaptation of the tale of the Sun!(like egypts horus) which is the real reason for the birthday being on the winter solstice(on the 21st the sun stops decending and pauses for three days and is "reborn"into the new year on the 25th)-the image of the last supper is a calendar representation-jesus is the sun and the apostles are the months

-they are even grouped into seasons as they group into threes in discussion-the real jesus was,without doubt,a muslim as his actions foretell-he greeted people by saying "peace be with you" at which point it was customary to respond with "and also with you"-which in hebrew is "assalam alaikum" "alaikum salam"-before he was taken by the romans he performs the actual conversion ritual by submitting his will to allah-they describe jesus as falling on his face(muslims pray by touching their foreheads to the ground) and stating "not my will lord but yours"-other situations that involve jesus and mary magdelan suggest they were married as their actions on certain occassions are immediately recognizable as muslim custom--most pictures of jesus have him holding his hand up in the masonic gesture of holding a mortor board!

here is a good site describing the tale of the SUN
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ASTRO-THEOLOGY

This is the first, original, and therefore the oldest, and most respected story on Earth! It did not take ancient man very long to decide that in this world the single greatest enemy to be feared was the darkness of night, and all the unknown dangers that came with it. Simply stated, man's first enemy was darkness.

Understanding this one fact alone, people can readily see why the greatest and most trustworthy friend the human race could ever have was by far, heaven's greatest gift to the world ... that Glorious Rising Orb of Day ...
the SUN


With this simple truth understood, we can now begin to unravel an ancient and wonderful story.
Today, as in all mankinds' history, it has once again been told anew.

Modern-day Christianity has often belittled our ancient ancestors who are not here to defend themselves.
They falsely accuse that they were nothing more than ignorant worshippers of the sun. Therefore we can, with assurance, summarily dismiss thousands of years of human spirituality as ignominious myth, believed by well-meaning, but gullible primitives. Too much of this kind of spiritual arrogance and religious pride has continued without challenge. The time has come to set matters straight.


THE CHALLENGE

First. no people of the ancient world believed the "Sun" to be "God". That belongs in the "disinformation file".

In point of fact, every Ancient culture and nation on Earth have all used the Sun as the most logically appropriate symbol to represent the Glory of the unseen Creator of the heavens. Here it is important to remember two points.

First, with the exception of Japan, the ancient world mythologies always understood the Sun to be masculine in qualities, and the moon feminine. Second, the English language is derived from the German. In the Germanic, the word 'Sun' is spelled 'Sonne'. The two words can (and have been) used interchangeably.

Old Testament:
"The heavens are declaring the Glory of God." (PS.19: 1)

New Testament:
"Jesus is the Glory of God." (2 Cor 4:6)

Old Testament:
"The SUN of Righteousness will arise with healings in His wings." (Mal 4:2)

New Testament:
"God's Son/Sun...he is risen!" (Matt 4:16)
Saying. "How, often I wanted to gather you under my wing. "
http://jordanmaxwell.com/astromain1a.html

There are older and more sacred storys than the one of Jesus...

or is it possible to say that WE are satan?

though i know we may be able to be "tempted" by the devil...

but i believe that we may be the devil too?

and its just our choice not to choose to be the devil...

Evil or not, A divine entity is a divine entity...
We still better surrender if one shows up, it is the only option...

Satan is a purely biblical concept. If you take it out of biblical context, he could become anything you want. So could God. However, the question of whether or not humans are satan is a simple one: No, humans are not Satan. The bible clearly states this in many passages. Aside from the Bible, the concept of Lucifer does not exist. The bible accounts that Lucifer is an Angel, and was the mightiest arch angel, and the second most powerful heavenly being. he wanted to take glory from god for himself, and was cast out of heaven. He is described as the father of all lies.

As far as I know, there is no human more powerful than every other heavenly being next to God, nor was there any human cast out of heaven. Nor was their any human who could possibly be the father of all lies.

A very good observation.
I recall reading in the Bible(New Testament, Jesus saying to others) a rather odd statement: "You being evil, yet knowing how to give good gifts to your children, how much more the Father, not being evil, will give good gifts to you" Something like that.

Apparently, according to the Bible, most people are inherently "evil" and thus requires a spiritual conversion from it.

Jesus the devil? I agree and disagree. I believe that the current widely accepted version of Jesus (the wimp with the long brown hair and tearful eyes seemingly always looking upward with a halo around his head) was crafted by an artist under the influence of Satan. I think nobody knows what the real Jesus looks like for reasons that if they knew they would worship his imagine (idolatry) instead of Him. (which is why Satan created the image of wimpy Jesus to deceive the masses) HOWEVER! I do believe that Jesus was the real deal and the Son of God. After all, why would God allow Satan to pose as Him in the flesh? Catch my drift?

Look at the bible logically.
Moses wrote the first 5 books of the old testament. He writes about his death in one.
So he did not right the first 5.

Some other 'people' wrote the first 5. Elohim, Deuteronomy, Priests and someone else i cant remember.

The bible in one part says God talks directly to people, the other says he uses intermediataries i.e the burning bush.

One part says that god created humans after he had finished then made Eve. Whereas one part says he made Adam and Eve together when he made the earth.

Hey one part even talks about 4 headed people from the sky wearing copper suits(exodus)

Divine? Surrender to what?enslavement?

What cracks me up is.......The only existant of God is what other Men wrote!
IF a man said it.....it's a crock.........everyone wants a savior when things go wrong.....that is the human need.....so he created something to fill the need.

exactly! the bible was written by man, yes it may be the word of god, but translated and written by several people who would still use a name of a disciple.

so, what if satan was christ? though the teachings and words he may have said sounds holy and spirituality lifting, what if these words he planned to spread to man kind for man kind to interpret in many forms or for man kind to take for granted so we in turn may fight wars in the name of god (ie. crusades) or as an example the unknown war we are currently fighting against america and the middle east. (america - in god we trust, obviously a christian country) and middle east.. MAJORITY a muslim populated countries...

Christ and Satan are both one and the same! Playing chess with us!

People...why is it so hard to believe in God?

Why is it so hard to disbelieve god?

ME TOO!

Because I won 7 bucks on a lottery ticket one time. Dat was definitely da Jesus.

Lol

This question has been asked by many, and disputed more times than can be counted. All I have to say is, I believe there is a God, just as I believe the Devil exists also. I've had too much happen in my life, for me not to believe in the existance of both.



The Devil is just as real as you and me. NO, he isn't red with a forked tail, horns and carries a pitchfork. (Although he can come as anything that pleases him at the time.)
God "IS" real.... He isn't a figment of peoples imagination.
How sad He must be at all the lack of faith, and belief in this world. Who knows maybe God is going to get tired of trying to make people believe, and just destroy the whole world and start over fresh.....

earthygirl04...that's the best way I've ever heard anyone put it before! You're my NEW hero!!! (in your face disbelievers!)

"To the Aztec, as to all ancient Mesoamerican peoples, time proceeded not linearly, but in cycles. ... Just as the world was created, destroyed and recreated time and again, so smaller units of time repeated themselves. ...If life was impermanent for the Aztec, so, in the last analysis, was death. Life contained the inevitability of death, but death held within it the certainty of rebirth. For the Aztec, as for other native American peoples, death meant passage from earthly life to another existence on a different plane in a multi-level universe. For some, it also meant even the possibility of return to earth, though in a different form." - Mysteries of the Ancient Americas

WELL DONE!

Never thought about that before. It is pissible when u think about it. Christianity has producted more wars and death than any other.

In the name of God......so who is the evil one...

What are you smoking!

If you study history, the whole myth of Lucifer/Satan falls apart rather quickly. For starters, Lucifer in the Old Testament and Satan from the New Testament were completely different entities. Actually, Satan (the Hebrew word for adversary) was likely not meant to be an individual, but just represent Jesus' inner struggle.

Satan was almost unheard of until the Bubonic Plague devastated Europe. Many of the survivors became disenchanted with the Church and their faith in God in particular. In order to restore faith, the Catholic Church invented the entire concept of Lucifer being Satan and being responsible for all the "bad" things in the world. Shortly after that, they came up with the neat idea of Satanic worship and laid down the practices of devil worshipers paving the way for the Inquisition later on.

What are YOU smoking!

All religeons are a pile of crap! there is no such thing as a god.

All so called holy books and religons claim that their god is real and all others are wrong "thou shalt not worship false idols" I belive that anybody who belives in a god of any form is bonkers! And if there was actually one which religon was worshipping the right one? the indians with their monkey and elephant gods?Nobody created humans and every animal its created from a process called evolution and every living thing evolved from a minute cell ....its true.

Cant you see that in times before science people belived in god as a way of explaining everything around them because they had no other explanation? If it thundered of there was a famine then god was punishing his people... WRONG its just a weather condition or some lazy sod didnt plant this years crops. It was a way of comfort and hope for people and something to keep people in fear of being a bad person.

All holy books are and early form of law. All holy books tell of a god and the consequences of not beliving and being a good person. ( YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER AND..........etc ) They were primitive police forces in the form of an imaginery fellow. Instead of pc plod it was pc god. The ten commandments for instance are basically ten laws that we still try to uphold today only the crime nowadays relates to a prison term not the retribution of him upstairs! God loves all his children regardless of race creed and colour but if u refuse to sing a few songs skyward to the power crazy nut ur gonna burn for all eternity. does this really sound like a loving, forgiving god........... NO! more like a publicity starved celebrity.

Why is it so hard to belive that there isnt a god? Why do all religons contradict and interpret differently? Because they aint real!!!!!!!!!! there is no single god and nobody is gona save you when you die and if your bad you dont go to hell you return to the earth from which you came to be recycled by plants and animals thats the way it works.

No golden hand shake from st peter no pat on the back from the big man for living like a hermit and not enjoying yourselves just BIG FAT NOTHING!!! HARSH BUT TRUE!!

dont waste your life beliving in god its way too short!

I like this conspiracy better.
Law and order together do form the foundation of civilization.
I suppose that following this line of thought that the burning bush would have been a branched or multi bulbed lighting fixture of some type the ET stood behind, the blinding light of which would have prevented it from being seen and hurt the eyes (burn) if attempted to gaze directly at it.

Good stuff.

(the original thread starting post just more same old religion bashing garbage in a new pink coat)

I still think JC was an alien.

Makes my eyes roll when people say that the devil is just as real as you and I and God too.

How do they know this? What experience have they personally had to make this a know fact? An Emotional one? Did they actually see the devil or God? I can tell you right now....no they haven't. It's a need to have some God be real because they have no direction or want to accept responsiblity for themselves. They WANT the bible to be true. So they keep on believing and keep on having emotional experiences. Same with Voodoo worshippers. The Universal LAW remains the same. If you believe strong enough, I will happen. Go watch the movie "What the bleep do we know" and see what science has proved to be facts about how we can change things, simply by believing. Perhaps Jesus found this out, and made a religion. But it doesn't make him God.