It has come to my attention that the reason so many people are arguing against the existance of the illuminati is because they think I believe in some sort of "reptillian race".

This couldn't be further from the truth. While I might be willing to entertain such a thought, I DO NOT believe the illuminati are anything more or less than human beings.

This must be clear of any of you are going to take me seriously. I DO NOT read David Icke's website, nor do I believe in the whole reptillian thing.

The information I gather is mostly independant, and doesn't subscribe to any theories of space men or lizzard men. The theories and facts behind the illuminati don't need any "reptile race" for them to be real. Quite the opposite. I think perhaps David Icke unknowingly turns most people off from knowing the truth because they can't possibly believe in some crazy reptiallian race. Personally, I think David himself has way to much to gain from people believing in this. As do the Powers themselves.

Or course the idea of reptillian beings secretly controlling the world is laughable. But what about the idea of a powerful and secretive league of bankers, politicians, and world leaders? Is that really so unbelievable?

If Our government had secret technology, secret bases, and secret activities, what would prevent the WORLD from having a secret government? What would prevent the Illuminati from existing?

Nothing. That's what. So everyone, please, PLEASE, when you see me talking about the Illuminati, do not get images of lizard men in your head, because they are not in mine. I might even be wise to re-read my postings regarding this matter so you don't think I'm retarded.


I had to say all of that. That's for reading it.

I knew u didnt belive in the reptillian theory but humans would have no motive for an 80% reduction in the worlds population and a enslaved population.

Humans have no motive other than for greed and power, they already have these two things...

The Reptillians could EASILY of taken over earth when htey first came by getting into all the positions of power by their cunning and influence. People back then most likely thought they were gods.

The motive for the Illuminato (the reptillians) is to enslave the populace and create human/reptillian hybrids becuase there race can no longer reproduce.

Also if the Illuminai were all humans (which alot are though) then how can the average lifespan of a human keep this genda going for hundreds of thousands of years???

I agree with insight, totally. d3v Is spouting reptillian crap.

Why dont u look at the facts and evidence before making your decision LOL!

I have, actually before you pull that line on me, probably even more so than you.

Hundreds of thousands of years? This type of question scares me. And the reptilian stuff is indeed crap.

And you see no truth or possibility whatsoever?

NO d3v believe me there is NO truth in what ICKE says its totally different than that, i'm sorry but i think its time you moved on from this. Seriously.

Yes well, damn, us humans must be pretty smart to be able to climb from a couple million to 6 billion and keep climbing up the population ladder all the while a superadvanced reptillian race is trying to reduce our population to 1.2 billion...

Stellar, the 80% world populace kill-off IS one of their goals and thats why there's so many cancers and other fatal desieses.

These are man made.

The bulk of the killings will be achieved by a global nuclear war, IMO.

A quote from prince William, "When I die, I wish to come back as a virus that kills half the worlds population".

I know its not proof but...

Wheres the source for this?

So why did they allow the human race to get to the population its at now!? Why is the population STILL growing, even with all these fatal diseases?



And 1.2 billion people will survive a global nuclear war?

I just heard Alex Jones say the quote during one of his many great videos.

""So why did they allow the human race to get to the population its at now!? Why is the population STILL growing, even with all these fatal diseases?""

Cos were at it like rabbits. ROFL.

"And 1.2 billion people will survive a global nuclear war?"

Again, wheres the source. And i mean from the horses mouth and not jonesy.

I dont know his source

Google for it

So you could be just making it up then...

No i'm not.

Unless Alex jones was, but c'mon... prince William of all people???

Exactly its sounds ridiculous, which on many occasions you sound.

I knew u didnt belive in the reptillian theory but humans would have no motive for an 80% reduction in the worlds population and a enslaved population.

Actually, that's not entirely true. I have seen a writing on a standing stone which was constructed by members of the illuminati that says the population must be reduced to 500,000,000 million in order for mankind's existance to harmonize with nature. This makes sense in the fact the our currect rate of population growth is completely destroying the environment.

The Reptillians could EASILY of taken over earth when htey first came by getting into all the positions of power by their cunning and influence. People back then most likely thought they were gods.

Why would we need to seek explination for reptillian existance when humans can and do do the same things that they supposedly would do. The gods of ancient times were most likely fallen angels. And the high ranking members of the illuminati are most likely influenced by these beings. Whether or not you believe in that sort of stuff is not really important though.

The motive for the Illuminato (the reptillians) is to enslave the populace and create human/reptillian hybrids becuase there race can no longer reproduce.

Why can their race no longer reproduce? I have heard countless tales of ET's who claim that they need human genetic code for their race to continue. And in the deeper circles, this has proven to be a total lie on their part.

Also if the Illuminai were all humans (which alot are though) then how can the average lifespan of a human keep this genda going for hundreds of thousands of years???

The illuminati are extremely smart in regards to their timeline. They do not function within generations. If they have to pass on an ideal for a hundred years or more just to get one single movement done, they will. They don't function on a regular time line. They don't function quickly. Many aspects of society can only be changed over the span of multtiple generations. Just as humans pass down tales to their offspring, so do the illuminati with their agenda.

make of it what u will ffs.

I heard it at the beginning Police State: Total Enslavment 3, I think.

Alex Jones does not buy into the reptillain thing whatsoever. He is a MUCH more reliable and active source than david Icke. All david does it sit back, write books, and make money. Jones is actually out on the streets talking to the public, confronting piliticians, protesting, and making his voice heard. He knows what people need to hear, and what they don't need to hear.

Err, David Icke tours America doing huge talks and speeches all the time.

I attended the one in London in 2003. It was amazing.

Both of these freedom fighters are good and they both get the truth out there on an equal scale.

I never said he did.

Anyway, he might. He may just not be talking about it cos he's smart and knows it would dicredit him altogether.

Again agreed with insight. d3v The only thing you are accomplishing via this "reptillian" route of investigation, is making the rest of us look bad. I think what both me and insight are saying is - stop. Coming from both investigaters of the subject, could you not take this under advisement?

freedom fighter and yet he asks money for his theories. some hero.

Unlike jonesy, who first gave his videos out for free, he also doesn't mind people pirating his videos as it helps spread his word.

Both of them do and rightly so as they have both made it their job and who can live in this world without money???

why do u think Icke is so damm bad???

He's just as well informed as has just as many good sources as Jones....

Yes, but icke only does his for money. I'm sorry but this is true, you can't talk to him, you can't ask questions as he will only answer with "buy my books". Of which these books, require all the other books for any of them to make sense. This is a marketing strategy.

Hahahaaa well explain why he perservered with EXTREME piss taking from the public in the early nieties.

Anyone else would of broke down and retrated from public view alltogether.

How do you know what he's like??

Have you met him in person or something???

The thing with icke is he has no evidence. You heard about the staged alien invasion and the reptilians coming as rescueers? He claims alot but has no evidence at all

Thats not entirely true.

I've read 3 of his books and each give the history of any groups or entities he mentions thruout his book, Illuminati, Bilderberg, Roschilds ect ect ect ect.

His books are perfectly find and generous.

Why are u so mean to Icke?

He's a freedom fighter like Jones... its people like him that will enable people to wake up and subsequently prevent the NWO.

The guys a god, just like Jones and all the other freedom fighters out there.

Hes perservered, because people like you are always around to buy his books. When you go into business, you don't stop hafway through because you've lost customers, you keep at it...
And yes i have met him in person, hes ignorant.

Take a look at Icke's headlines section that he updates EVERYDAY of the week all year round.

HERE

Full of evidence and proof of all the evil stuff our "leaders" do.

Jones dosent have this... He has a small section with a few news articles.

I dont wanna get into a Jones vs Icke argument but I just wanna make it clear that both are equally dedicated and both have equally good sources and both are well inormed about the whole thing.


"He's ignorant"

OMFG, is that a typo BA?

I sure hope it is

Jones don't sput useless crap, jones has a goal for good. Icke spouts crap, and has a goal for money. Lets not go overboard and give him god status now...

Jones has a "small" section? You are serious? Infowars does more good for this planet than ickes crap-o-rama. I'm sorry but jones updates everyday with current news, and articles. Hes on radio every night and day, hes also on public access constantly, partaking in documentries.....hes does ALOT more than icke. And no that wasn't a typo. Behind that cheesy grin, and stage persona, hes ignorant.

Icke gives out just as much on the NWO and the stuff Jones gives out.

His Reptillian theories dont dominate his workings like you think.

Anyway, if you compare Icke's site to Jone's site then you'll notice Icke has hundreds more evidence and articles and stuff about the NWo and goverment evilness, ect.

Rollocks, reptillians DOES dominate his writings, its the purpose for his writings. Jones tells the truth whereas icke distorts it.

Ok well I agree Jones does more to get the message out but Icke does do alot of touring and alot of radio chats but not as many as Jone's.

Just cos icke belives in the reptillian theory dosent mean u should discredit him altogether. His knowledge on the NWO, Illuminati, ect, far exceeds that of Jone's.

There both equally as good freedom fighters and you shouldent try to discredit Icke.

What do you mean he's ignorant?

I hope you mean something else besides the obvious.

david icke, did he not used to announce sports on bbc

Well...its not going to mean anything else is it?



Sprots no...sports yes.

Icke's Articles
Icke's NWO section
Icke's section jam packed full of stuff
Icke's symbolism
Icke's mind control section
Icke's conspiracy's, truths, cover-ups, random stuff, ect ect
Icke's medial archives, AIDS man-made, ect ect


That is about 3/4 of all his sites sections and all of it is facts and evidence.

C'mon... if anyone came to that site with an open mind and spent a hour or two browsing his articles, they would come out fully or partially woken up to the truth and thats what counts at the end of the day, isent it???

Your not listening, d3v, the reptilian theory holds NO grounds.

Well in that case; WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ???????????

Well whatever you think of the reptillian theory, you shouldent discredit him altogether as the rest of his works are solid and are backed up with solid proof and evidence, just like Jone's.

You wrote that, i quoted it from you, underneath i said:



Pay attention.



If icke does nothing but relate everything to the same "reptillian" bloodline, then its not solid. He also does not back up his claims like jones does. Therefore i will always discount icke. This is a last plea for your sanity d3v (if it hasn't already been lost), forget reptillian, and think human. Start with weishaupt, and make your way upwards. Heres a good starting point.

If Our government had secret technology, secret bases, and secret activities, what would prevent the WORLD from having a secret government? What would prevent the Illuminati from existing?

Nothing. That's what. So everyone, please, PLEASE, when you see me talking about the Illuminati, do not get images of lizard men in your head, because they are not in mine. I might even be wise to re-read my postings regarding this matter so you don't think I'm retarded.


Well said Insight. I would love to see more discussion about the Illuminati.

Errr, perhaps Insight there might be one or two reptillianss meguiding the majority.....This might be possible and maybe there are one or two controlling what we eat through the appropriate home secretary and maybe only one within the Vatican.