The believer
Dec 19 2004, 12:27 AM

One of those big questions that has baffled human kind. "Are we alone in the universe?" Do you beleive in aliens and all those so called UFO

sightings, and if so, what do you think that these aliens may look like? Reply and say whatever you wish, on topic or off! Thanks!
DukeofNoodleness
Dec 19 2004, 01:01 AM
I believe in aliens. But I don't follow the blind faith that lots of UFO nuts have. I look into things and study the facts before agreeing that something could be real.
p.s. One of the mods will need to move this topic. It is in the wrong section
Firien
Dec 19 2004, 03:50 AM
I dunno if we are alone or not ..but i feel alone enough on this earth to worry about the universe.
RH2097
Dec 19 2004, 06:50 AM
Well, how could be the only planet with life in the universe and beyond? A far race could be wondering the same thing we are at this very moment.
ninj
Dec 19 2004, 05:15 PM
First stay away from the topic of ufo's and god's and then just go and look at books and web sites on the size of the universe and whats in it that we know about then answer that for yourselves. It is impossible that we are alone it goes against all reason to think this, its just so big and nature don't waste like that. I personally don't think we are alone and have never been alone, I also don't think that we are the oldest or the youngest in the universe either. The universe at last guess is something in the order of 14 billion years old and the earth is 5 billions years old so seeing how long it took life to take foot here then you can guess what happened out there. You know whats crazy is that the earth was not even here in the so called big bang cause that happened 14 billion years ago. It just boggles the mind
RaginCajun
Dec 19 2004, 05:27 PM
very easy question. no we are not alone. consider that we don't even know what's out there and let's say that there are maybe at the least "to make people that can't think think" 1000 planet's out there including ours. well, we are less than 1% of 1000 planets and we have life. the statistics just doesn't add up when i talk to people that don't think. i also think it was either einstein or hawkings that had a very good theory or quote on this matter.
ROGER
Dec 19 2004, 05:52 PM

Some say that Dolphins are just as or more intelligent than humans. And how do we treat them? Train them for or entertainment, train to finds Bombs in a war, or we eat them out of tuna fish cans.
I hate to think what we would do to a space alien!
DukeofNoodleness
Dec 19 2004, 06:15 PM
Dolphins are VERY smart creatures. Scientists are currently in the proccess of training dolphins to type coherant language on a keyboard. Its amazing.Dolphins can definatly sense things as well.
~TheBigK~
Dec 19 2004, 06:53 PM
I do not believe we're alone. The universe is just too vast for this one planet to be the only one w/ life. I think aliens could look like us, like this

or in the form of bacteria. Really I think they could look like anything.
Frosty
Dec 19 2004, 07:18 PM
First off, dolphins are not as smart as humans, which is why we have domesticated and eaten them over the years. Now, there is no evidence to be considered as evidence of any other life existing in this universe but that of our animal brethern. Upon the hundreds of billions of stars that lay in the vast region of space, even if such a planet existed with any form of life, non-sentient or even non-complex life forms, we are no where close to finding out if such planets exist.
Consider this, the speed of light in a vacuum travels at around 2.99797925 x 10 to the 8th power meters/second, which translates to 299,797,925 meters per second. One the fasest man made objects (satelite) is Helios which traveled around 4,022,500 meters/second, which is only 1.341% of the speed of light in a vacuum. The nearest star to earth (other than our sun) is Alpha Centari at 4.3 light years away. So it would take a satelite such as Helios almost 425 years to reach the star. Wow.
Mysteryman
Dec 19 2004, 08:17 PM
I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for life to NOT exist on other planets.
I can guarentee my soul, my life, everything I have, that there is life out there. Think about it! It is literally impossible for us to be the only planet with some sort of life on it.
There is a number beyond what we know of of space and space and space. There are definitly atleast a couple of hundred life forms out there!
Frosty
Dec 19 2004, 08:22 PM
And the evidence to these claims is...
Mysteryman
Dec 19 2004, 09:17 PM
Come on, I was hoping someone would agree with my points...
Your right, I don't have any evidence, but listen.
There is trillions and trillions and trillions of free space out there. Why do we have to be the only life form? There has to be other life out there? Other forms that involve living, even if it is WAY beyond what we know of, its still living?
Don't you think?
Frosty
Dec 19 2004, 09:54 PM
there doesn't "have" to be other life forms out there as there is no law to demand so. And again how are we ever going to come into contact with such life if we most likely won't even have the tech to travel to our next nearest star before the downfall of mankind?
Mysteryman
Dec 19 2004, 11:14 PM
But do you understand where I am coming from? There is so much free space, lightyears and lightyears, how would it be possible that their is one, only one, life living planet? When I say life, I could also mean such as water, gaseous, etc. And your right, their doesn't "have" to be life out their, but if you think about it and lay it down on a table, thats like saying if someone had cancer, do they have one cancer cell in their body or several to hundreds? There is never one cancer cell, its always usually 7 - 14 starting, and then moving on to hundreds - thousands - millions...Though do you understand where I am coming from now?
Loco Chupacabra
Dec 20 2004, 11:37 AM
Of course were not alone, there are endless planets that hasen't been discovered yet. They might even have another planet with humans like us living in them, they might or might not be more advance than us, thats what i believe.
Frosty
Dec 20 2004, 04:52 PM
So once again, what is your evidence to these claims? You bring a lot of solid conjecture but nothing of real value.
Richdog
Dec 20 2004, 05:13 PM
Erm, isn't there a statistical figure somewhere for the chance of life existing within a solar system? And when you apply that figure to an infinite universe with an infinite number of solar systems and planets, doesn't that make it statistically improbable for life NOT to exist?
I mean come on... an infinite universe and we are the only life-forms, intelligent or otherwise? It just doesn't make sense, whether there is hard evidence for it or not. No sense at all.
pete juffalo
Dec 20 2004, 05:20 PM
i didnt read any replies to this topic so excuse me if im repeating anyones comments.
it is highly improbable that we are the only planet in the ever expanding infinate universe, and people have to be pretty ignorant and pompus if they believe human beings are the highest, most inteligent race in the universe.
if humans are the most inteligent race in the whole of space and time......then we live in a very stupid, very lonely, futurless universe.
if we are alone.......
"god" is a moron
edit - i just read the post above this one.......sorry for re-typing exactly what you said richdog
ninj
Dec 20 2004, 06:53 PM
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 20 2004, 08:52 AM)
So once again, what is your evidence to these claims? You bring a lot of solid conjecture but nothing of real value.
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Just go with the odds my friend thats all go with the odds
Frosty
Dec 20 2004, 08:02 PM
The odds never play out my friend.
pallidin
Dec 21 2004, 05:23 AM
ninj is right. Odds are that we are not alone in the universe.
When you ask for supporting facts I give you this: WE are here on earth(proven), and other planets exists(proven), among the hundreds of thousands of stars in our galaxy(proven)and with the millions of galaxies out there(proven) odds are that life exists apart from earth. Choose to accept as you will, but the odds are in favor.
pallidin
Dec 21 2004, 05:32 AM
Furthermore, Frosty, what evidence do you provide here that YOU exist? We only assume you exist, we have no actual evidence. Has any of us met you or seen you in person? No.
So, based on that, Frosty, it is clear that you do not exist.
seeking
Dec 21 2004, 05:44 AM
it should be overwhelmingly obviouse we are not alone in the universe, with a universe as big as it it, and earth as small as it is, how can we be the only living things, think of how much diverse life is on this single planet, and we can very well be the most intelligent species out there, next in line they may be 1 million years behind us, theres no way to tell so there is no way to say
Frosty
Dec 21 2004, 04:00 PM
Ok my ignorant brother, there is much proof I do exist, the fact I am carrying on a conversation proves beyond a resonable doubt I do exist.
what basis does anyone here have on making odds about whether other life exist in the universe? None, they are baseless conjecture. One person might say 1 star out of every galaxy has life, another might say 10 stars out of e4very galaxy, and one person might say 1 out of every 10 galaxies has one star with life. There is no way to base the odds.
CodnChips
Dec 21 2004, 04:43 PM
Frosty...what are you after in terms of proof?....short of a little green man turning up in his ship and saying "Hi..i live on that planet over there"...?

I know where you coming from and by just saying "There are X amount of planets, one MUST have life..." doesnt necessarily make it so.....however.....Evidence of water/ice has been found on mars and on the moons of Jupiter/Saturn... If water is key to our existence...and it has been found on several cellestial bodies in our solar system alone....the probability of finding water and possibly life, even in its smallest form, on another planet, in mathmatical terms, has to be large doesnt it?...almost a certainty?
Ok so its all about probability and odds....but in the long run, the odds are always right....if they weren't casino's would be out of business

I firmly believe we are not alone in the universe....what that other form of life is however is another question...
Redneck
Dec 21 2004, 05:11 PM
I think the sheer vastness of the universe makes it likely that somewhere there is life out there. But the unique conditions that led to the development of life on Earth mean that it is probably rare. Complex life is probably rarer still, and intelligent life even rarer. And the distances between solar systems is so great that we may never encounter them.
Uversa
Dec 21 2004, 08:08 PM
Frosty: It is rather arrogant, single minded, and just plain absurd to so bluntly say that the only life that exists is that on our world.
To accept the possibility that there is other life, however, is perfectly natural.
Does it make you feel un-easy the thought of things going on beyond your level of inteligence and knowledge? I'd like to know

Edit: also, no one is saying that stars have life, its planets
Stellar
Dec 21 2004, 08:42 PM
QUOTE
Odds are that we are not alone in the universe.
You're right... but I do hate when someone says its *impossible* for life *not* to exist on other planets. Its quite possible that we are the only life. It may be unlikely, but possible still.
pallidin
Dec 21 2004, 09:50 PM
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 21 2004, 10:00 AM)
Ok my ignorant brother, there is much proof I do exist, the fact I am carrying on a conversation proves beyond a resonable doubt I do exist.[right][snapback]415798[/snapback][/right]
Not to beat this issue to death, but I was trying to make a point: Have you ever talked(typing) with an artificial intelligence program? I have, several times, and some are so good that and it can seem just like you are speaking(typing) to a real person!!
So, ODDS are you do in fact exist as a person, but it is not a 100% certainty. "Beyond a reasonable doubt"? Granted, and well put on your part, but I hope you see that ODDS and the whole science of statistical probability have important roles in our life.
Another example: Let's say you are out in a field somewhere and come across a single colony of ants. You stand close by that spot, looking around, and see no OBVIOUS signs of another colony. But guess what? ODDS are in favor of their being one or more additional colonies somewhere in that vast field given the EVIDENCE of the first and the environmental conditions to support additional ant colonies.
So, it is REASONABLE to assume there are more ant colonies somewhere in that field even though you do not yet see them.
I certainly hope you completely agree with that.
Andy_R
Dec 21 2004, 10:04 PM
I think it is a mistake to become dogmatic about this issue, either side of it.
That being said, I'm inclined to believe that we are indeed alone.
I'm not 100% convinced of this (nor will I ever be). I'm probably about 85%.
Mysteryman
Dec 21 2004, 10:53 PM
Well I'm satisfied with a majority of the peoples thoughts - there is life on other planets.
Eagleclan
Dec 23 2004, 03:37 AM
If we are alone - then the universe is doomed.
MichaelS
Dec 23 2004, 03:39 AM
I completely believe in the existance of extra-terrestrial life. Having said that, it doesn't mean I believe in every UFO, or abduction story I hear.
I'm strictly an adherent of the "Law of Probability" on this one.
Raistlin Majere
Dec 23 2004, 04:05 AM
ONe point I've always found valid was that if the nearest planet not well looked into is dozens of lightyears away, why would a species able to bend the speed of space/time be interested in a bunch of rednecks and wheat fields...?
MichaelS
Dec 23 2004, 04:10 AM
I think they would visit us just for a laugh- you know, buzz the Parliment Buildings in Ottawa, moon Paul Martin as they go by, and laugh at how he's going to try and convince people it happend... I would...
IamFS
Dec 24 2004, 04:54 AM
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 19 2004, 12:22 PM)
And the evidence to these claims is...
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HAH i hope your saying this from a non-religious standpoint. come on now there is no proof that god exsists yet so many pople belive in it, yet somehting as basic and obvious as life on other plantets..the proof is in the skies. but come on....god is a silly idea compared to life on othe rplantets..and no i am not religious AT ALL
Frosty
Dec 24 2004, 05:23 AM
There is no proof for god (we created god), and there are only high probabilities that life exist on other planets based on very little proof. There is no way to support the claim for life on another planet by using baseless odds.
Asterix
Dec 24 2004, 10:25 AM
QUOTE(Frosty @ Dec 24 2004, 07:23 AM)
There is no proof for god (we created god), and there are only high probabilities that life exist on other planets based on very little proof. There is no way to support the claim for life on another planet by using baseless odds.
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It's rather a false approach to say "We created God", because it assumes that God does not exist and it's rather our own creation. What we have done, throughout the history, is to define God, each civilization and religion in its own way. That is, we gave name/names to the Supreme Being of the Universe. Unless of course if you claim that there isn't a Supreme Being...
As for life on other planets, that is an entirely other issue. First of all there is a difference between life in general (which could be just single-cell organisms) and intelligent life, or even intelligent life capable of interstellar travel. Personally, I believe that the Universe is a big place, but it's also a very dangerous place. Life in Universe? Quite possible. Intelligent life? Well...perhaps. Intelligent life capable of interstellar travel? Almost impossible.
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