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Stellar
Well, I decided to make a thread devoted to biblical contradictions...


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PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.


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EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.


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GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


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GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.


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KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


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ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


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ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


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LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.


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PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.


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ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;




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Genesis 1:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Genesis 2:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)


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#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days".
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)


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#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple.


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Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."


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Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


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II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;


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II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.


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Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)


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"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9)
"God is love." (1 John 4:16)


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"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (Gen 22:1)
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13)


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How did Judas die?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18)


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"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)


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Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denail:
Before the c0ck crow - Matthew 26:34
Before the c0ck crow twice - Mark 14:30


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MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.



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GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.


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KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.


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ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


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MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)
MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)


Hmm... He that is not with me is against me... where have I heard something like that before? Could it be from some people who dont like what Bush said about other countries' involvement in the war on terror? Damn, I'll have to point this out next time laugh.gif

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MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.



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MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

1 thessalonians 4:15-18


So, erm, when is the second comming?

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What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
scarlet - Matthew 27:28
purple John 19:2


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When did Baasha die?
26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1



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How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chron 22:2


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What did they give him to drink?
vinegar - Matthew 27:34
wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23


http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...tml#good_to_all

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ON THE POWER OF GOD
"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19


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ON DEALING WITH PERSONAL INJURY
"...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25

"...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39 


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ON INCEST
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god's reaction to Abraham, who married his sister -- his father's daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16


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ON TRUSTING GOD
"A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD..." -- Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause." -- Job 2:3 



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ON FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS
"Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26


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ON RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD
"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9

"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29 


http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html

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1. How many women went to Jesus' tomb?

One - John 20:1-18         
Two - Mt 28:1-8
Three - Mk 16:1-8
Many - Lu 23:55-24:10


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Did Mary Magdalene tell any men about the tomb?
Yes:
Mt 28:8; Lu 24:9-10
No:
John 20:2 Mk 16:8


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Did she go back to the tomb with any of them?
Yes:
John 20:2-11 Mt 28:1-10,16
No:
Mk 16:8-14; Lu 24:9-12


Aww jeez theres another few hundred of these, I'll end it here for now.

Edit:

Fixed the censoring (im allowed, right?)
JennRose
Interesting. I've always thought the god referred to in the NT was a different sort than the one in the OT. If you notice many of the contradictions on god's personality come from the different testaments.
FreyKade
wow theres a lot there
Stellar
QUOTE(JennRose @ Dec 19 2004, 04:00 PM)
Interesting.  I've always thought the god referred to in the NT was a different sort than the one in the OT.  If you notice many of the contradictions on god's personality come from the different testaments.
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I've noticed that too. Its the same god though, according to christianity.

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wow theres a lot there


There was more but it was taking too long to post. I figure, if they want me to post more, they're welcome to grin2.gif

Oh and if you guys want, I can post a few passages of God gathering the believers and then sending them back to kill the non believers (man, woman, child, infant...)
FreyKade
QUOTE(JennRose @ Dec 19 2004, 04:00 PM)
Interesting.  I've always thought the god referred to in the NT was a different sort than the one in the OT.  If you notice many of the contradictions on god's personality come from the different testaments.
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two different gods??
or
god had a mood swing??
or
god is toying with us mere mortals???
JennRose
QUOTE(FreyKade @ Dec 19 2004, 12:05 PM)
QUOTE(JennRose @ Dec 19 2004, 04:00 PM)
Interesting.  I've always thought the god referred to in the NT was a different sort than the one in the OT.  If you notice many of the contradictions on god's personality come from the different testaments.
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two different gods??
or
god had a mood swing??
or
god is toying with us mere mortals???
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No, a changed culture which then placed a new face on god. The nomadic Jews had a war-like sky god, but when the ideas and times changed, so did their idea of god. He was no longer seeking to destroy enemies, but to promote love and peace. Same god in name, but very different in intention.
ThePortal
this for me proves that it was indeed whritten by man and from different point of view.....


how can people base everything on one of these when they all contradict themselves...this is for me a very confusing religion wacko.gif

we see it even today, they cannot even agree with each other on how to interpret it.


ho well...

FreyKade
QUOTE(ThePortal @ Dec 19 2004, 04:21 PM)
this for me proves that it was indeed whritten by man and from different point of view.....


how can people base everything on one of these when they all contradict themselves...this is for me a very confusing religion  wacko.gif

we see it even today, they cannot even agree with each other on how to interpret it.


ho well...
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too right
Bizeebutt
I've noticed this before, especially the difference between the God of the OT and the God of the NT. In the OT basically the message is that God got so pissed of at what he"created" that he wiped them all out and started over. So... um... Christians... I guess we should be waiting for this to happen again soon?? But no, according to the NT he is merciful and loving...

Bah. A bunch of BS that weak people put blind faith in because they refuse to challenge the Christian authority.

Clearly a book of lies is not for me. I'll take Star Wars any day grin2.gif
Hotoke
QUOTE(Bizeebutt @ Dec 19 2004, 06:42 PM)
I've noticed this before, especially the difference between the God of the OT and the God of the NT.  In the OT basically the message is that God got so pissed of at what he"created" that he wiped them all out and started over.  So... um... Christians... I guess we should be waiting for this to happen again soon??  But no, according to the NT he is merciful and loving... 

Bah.  A bunch of BS that weak people put blind faith in because they refuse to challenge the Christian authority. 

Clearly a book of lies is not for me.  I'll take Star Wars any day grin2.gif
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IMO Lord of the rings>starwars> bible
SilverCougar
QUOTE(Stellar @ Dec 19 2004, 04:05 PM)
QUOTE(JennRose @ Dec 19 2004, 04:00 PM)
Interesting.  I've always thought the god referred to in the NT was a different sort than the one in the OT.  If you notice many of the contradictions on god's personality come from the different testaments.
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I've noticed that too. Its the same god though, according to christianity.

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wow theres a lot there


There was more but it was taking too long to post. I figure, if they want me to post more, they're welcome to grin2.gif

Oh and if you guys want, I can post a few passages of God gathering the believers and then sending them back to kill the non believers (man, woman, child, infant...)
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Please do. rofl.gif
Stellar
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Please do.


Which? THe ones about god ordering the deaths of the nonbelievers, or more contradictions?
SilverCougar
the nonbelievers death orders
Stellar
Wow, heres an interesting one!

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Matthew 10:34-36:

  34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father,
      a daughter against her mother, a daughterinlaw against her motherinlaw–
      36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.’[e]




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Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

-God in Deuteronomy 12:2-3


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"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
Hosea 13:16




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25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies.
26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, "Whoever is for the LORD, come to me." And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'"
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."
(Exodus 32:25-29 NIV)


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20 "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.

Exodus 22:20


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Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Exodus 23:24

jpalz
With all respect Stellar, but I took a look at this site atheists.org, and the attitude taken by some guys is like a war against religion. I know we can't all think the same way, I know you're an Atheist, and I respect that, but these guys say that religion and science are enemies. That's not true, science answers the "how", religion the "who" and "why". I don't say religion is better than science, I just say that they don't oppose, they compliment. And we can see that in the fact that there are scientists who are at the same time religious people (Louis Pasteur)
JennRose
QUOTE(jpalz @ Dec 19 2004, 09:24 PM)
With all respect Stellar, but I took a look at this site atheists.org, and the attitude taken by some guys is like a war against religion. I know we can't all think the same way, I know you're an Atheist, and I respect that, but these guys say that religion and science are enemies. That's not true, science answers the "how", religion the "who" and "why". I don't say religion is better than science, I just say that they don't oppose, they compliment. And we can see that in the fact that there are scientists who are at the same time religious people (Louis Pasteur)
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Well said, jpalz. No need for more anger in an already touchy subject. I think there have been lots of points of interest in this thread, but there is no reason to attempt to wage war on either side. Not that I think Stellar is doing that, but some outside sources may be offensive. original.gif

Now that that is said, I'm curious as to how such a drastic personality change in a supposedly never-changing god can be reconciled.
Kat_Kloud
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"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9)
"God is love." (1 John 4:16)


That's funny.

You know what reading the bible and just looking at these is proof that god was made by man, not man made by god. It's so obvious that as ideas and "ways of life" changed, so did the way they percieved god.

There it is right there people. You god is nothing but a bunch of guys who made up a diety, then couldn't even make themselves agree on what they wrote about.
Stellar
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With all respect Stellar, but I took a look at this site atheists.org, and the attitude taken by some guys is like a war against religion. I know we can't all think the same way, I know you're an Atheist, and I respect that, but these guys say that religion and science are enemies. That's not true, science answers the "how", religion the "who" and "why". I don't say religion is better than science, I just say that they don't oppose, they compliment. And we can see that in the fact that there are scientists who are at the same time religious people (Louis Pasteur)


This was the first time I've been to that site. Im not gonna say its a peaceful site or anything... but they're attitude does not in any way change the passages.
Wings of Selkhet
I know far too many Christians who choose passages within the bible to support their crusade against homosexuality but yet also eat pork. I also know Jews who find nothing wrong with homosexuality but don't eat pork. This picking and choosing of passages is what irritates me about Judeo-Christian values. I respect their beliefs but detest the way they arrive at them. They claim to follow these texts, but they really choose which ones they want to follow and which ones they don't.


The point is - all religions have these contradictions. The problem is that followers choose whichever idea that suits them at a particular moment, or whichever idea corresponds best with their lifestyle or prejudices regardless of moral substance.

I think almost all religious texts of immense size are going to have contradictions. The Qur'an has its own, and I'm sure one could find some in the Hindu or Buddhist scriptures. Taoist writings probably have them too.

While the Bible may be full of contradictions, I am sure there are certain moral lessons in it. The trouble isn't finding rules within the Bible, because there are plenty, but choosing which rules are the most moral and applicable within today's society.

Mad Manfred
I think their god may have multiple personality disorder...that or he's the world's biggest hypocrite grin2.gif
Kat_Kloud
S'gotta be one or the other lol
JennRose
I would be very curious to hear some of the Christians' reasons or explanations of this discrepency, though. I know lots of Christians, and they aren't all fanatical 'sheeple'. Many are very thoughful and intelligent and they MUST have a way to explain this.
Loge
Stellar, do not fall into the same stupidities of Ashley-Star*Child angry.gif who reads the Kabbalistic Book of Enoch literally, ignoring the codes of the science of Kabbalah in order to unravel its secrets.

The whole Bible is an Alchemical and Kabbalistic Book. The writers of the Bible hid within all of its stories many mysteries in order not to pollute their occult science.

Reading the Bible or any religious book, like when one is reading the newspaper, is just a miserable way of wasting time. sleepy.gif

For instance, a dervish moor who studied the Koran existed during the era of the Moorish dominion of Spain. So, this dervish moor lived in Spain during the occupation of the Moors. He studied the Koran and the Bible at the same time without knowing the secret codes.

The outcome was that the knowledge ingested his mind and he became full of skepticism.

That dervish moor died full of doubts; his offspring evolved throughout space and time and from generation to generation his skeptical genetic values generated through his descendents that man who was known with the name of Voltaire. blink.gif

Again: Your concepts are an example of how a person, who reads a book of chemistry without knowing chemistry symbolism, can erroneously say that “H2O” means: “2 Horses and 1 Ox” and so on. huh.gif

The only ones who you will hurt with your postings is Ashley-Star*Child and all of those "Christians" innocent.gif who do not only ignore the codes of the Bible, but more over, they ignore that they ignore and they do not want to know!

So, by reading the Bible the way you do, you will find thousands of contradictions. It will be the never ending story. rofl.gif

One should utilize the mind in something edifying and essentially dignifying!
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Stellar
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Stellar, do not fall into the same stupidities of Ashley-Star*Child  who reads the Kabbalistic Book of Enoch literally, ignoring the codes of the science of Kabbalah in order to unravel its secrets.


I dont believe it should be taken literally at all. Im pointing out contradictions because some people do take it all literally.

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Again: Your concepts are an example of how a person, who reads a book of chemistry without knowing chemistry symbolism, can erroneously say that “H2O” means: “2 Horses and 1 Ox” and so on.


How so? At most the person would think "H2O? Wtf does that mean?"

Where would they get 2 horses and 1 ox from?
JennRose
Why do I always end up posting accidently right before Loge?? rolleyes.gif No wonder my questions never get answered. crying.gif
Mad Manfred
QUOTE(JennRose @ Dec 20 2004, 01:57 PM)
I would be very curious to hear some of the Christians' reasons or explanations of this discrepency, though.  I know lots of Christians, and they aren't all fanatical 'sheeple'.  Many are very thoughful and intelligent and they MUST have a way to explain this.
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Hate to tell you...no matter how intelligent a person is...if they fall under the Christian banner...they are sheep.

Unfortunately, there is not one Christian who can give a plausible explanation for these contradictions, because quite simply, there is only one...it's BS. As I said, their entire religion, hell, practacally every religion, is based on thousands of years of heresay and chinese whispers.

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Why do I always end up posting accidently right before Loge??  rolleyes.gif  No wonder my questions never get answered. crying.gif
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You're lucky actually...Loge has a habit of not making any sense...makes you look smarter tongue.gif
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I will use my silver bullets against any real blood-sucker, but against you a single clove of garlic is enough!
whoa182
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=29654

What do you think of that, Its got me so confused on what to believe :'(
Hotoke
So far no one has explained why there are contradictions in the bible



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With all respect Stellar, but I took a look at this site atheists.org, and the attitude taken by some guys is like a war against religion. I know we can't all think the same way, I know you're an Atheist, and I respect that, but these guys say that religion and science are enemies. That's not true, science answers the "how", religion the "who" and "why". I don't say religion is better than science, I just say that they don't oppose, they compliment. And we can see that in the fact that there are scientists who are at the same time religious people (Louis Pasteur)


A nice speech but it is off-topic.
Richdog
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So far no one has explained why there are contradictions in the bible



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With all respect Stellar, but I took a look at this site atheists.org, and the attitude taken by some guys is like a war against religion. I know we can't all think the same way, I know you're an Atheist, and I respect that, but these guys say that religion and science are enemies. That's not true, science answers the "how", religion the "who" and "why". I don't say religion is better than science, I just say that they don't oppose, they compliment. And we can see that in the fact that there are scientists who are at the same time religious people (Louis Pasteur)


A nice speech but it is off-topic.
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I can't wait to see what Insight and hyuugaNeji come up with, their replies to stuff like this always have me in stitches. 'True believers' always have a way of bending the truth to fit whatever criticism they are fighting, there's an excuse for everything. laugh.gif
Axle13
Here's an excellent article on New Testament Contradictions:

Click Here
Richdog
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VII. THE CAUSES OF THE CONTRADICTIONS

There are four primary causes for most of the contradictions listed above:

A. THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES

The gospel writers (especially Matthew) tried to show that Jesus was the Messiah by having him fulfill Old Testament "prophecies," sometimes with absurd results (as in the case of the "two donkeys" and the "thirty pieces of silver").

B. THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN JESUS' AND PAUL'S GOSPELS

The gospel that Jesus and his disciples proclaimed to the Jews was in accordance with what the Old Testament predicted about a human Messiah reigning over a restored kingdom of Israel, a kingdom of peace and righteousness. The people of Israel were to repent as personal righteousness was necessary to become a member of the kingdom.

In contrast to Jesus' gospel was the gospel preached to the Jews and gentiles by the apostle Paul, which Paul refers to as "my gospel" and "the gospel that I preach" to differentiate it from what was being proclaimed by the disciples. In Paul's gospel the human Jewish Messiah became a divine saviour of all nations, the restored kingdom of Israel became a heavenly kingdom, and admittance to the kingdom was based on faith rather than personal righteousness.

The two gospels caused great animosity between Paul and the original apostles, an animosity that is played down in the books of Acts and Galatians, but which still shows through in several places. When Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem were scattered or killed, and the opposition to the gospel of Paul was largely eliminated. The gospel of Paul was incorporated into the gospel of Jesus, in many cases supplanting it.

C. THE DELAY IN JESUS' RETURN

As time went by without Jesus returning, the apostle Paul was forced to rethink things he had written about earlier, including the state of dead believers and the nature of the kingdom.

D. CREATING A HISTORY FIT FOR A GOD

When Jesus was changed from a Jewish "son of David" sitting on David's throne to a divine "son of God" sitting on a heavenly throne, it became necessary to invent a godlike biography for him. Thus the troublesome virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, etc.

The list of contradictions in this paper is by no means complete, the examples being chosen primarily from the gospels. The examples given above, however, more than prove the point that the Bible is most definitely not, in any sense, the Word of God. The church has made imaginative (and often absurd) attempts to reconcile these contradictions. None of these attempts have the ring of truth - instead they have the ring of desperation.


Taken form that last link. Seem quite legit reasons for the indiscrepencies... yes.gif
JennRose
Hmmm...thanks Richdog, that was a very interesting exerpt. There were so many authors trying to get their works tied into the Bible, no wonder they couldn't always corroborate.

btw, your avatar is hi-rarious! laugh.gif
Richdog
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Hmmm...thanks Richdog, that was a very interesting exerpt.  There were so many authors trying to get their works tied into the Bible, no wonder they couldn't always corroborate.

btw, your avatar is hi-rarious! laugh.gif
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Its a picture called "limecat", Google it and you'll see. The crazy thing is that someone on this very forum, a member called Walken PM'd me to ask where I got it from and claimed he had taken the picture and that it is his cat! He said he didn't know it had been spread around on the internet!
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Seem quite legit reasons for the indiscrepencies

I don't know if I would call the reasons legit or not, but they do show that Xianity has been changed over and over thru the centuries to where it is nothing like what it orginally started out as! Shows that it is naught more than very inconsistent mythology! yes.gif
Something Like Laughter
most, if not all, of these so called contradictions appear only in translations, not in the original language. most of them are cleared up by looking at alternate meanings of some of the words. some others might need a little bit of reasearch into ANE culture to see if the author ment something other than what a westerner would read. i highly doubt that the websites that stellar got these contradictions do this. they have hardly done enough research to show that these are in fact contradictions. if someone found two translated statements that contradict each other and claimed that those statements constituted proof of a contradiction in the text, they would probably be laughed at by anyone with a little knowledge of textual critisism techniques.
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don't know if I would call the reasons legit or not, but they do show that Xianity has been changed over and over thru the centuries to where it is nothing like what it orginally started out as! Shows that it is naught more than very inconsistent mythology!
if you are saying that interpretations of the bible have chaged, then i would agree with you. how these contradictions show this i dont know. if you are saying the actual text of the bibe has changed, with the exception of copyist errors and some unimportant bits, you would be wrong. but discussing the textual accuracy of the bible is outside the scope of this thread.
beowulf
I don't know if bringing the original Mark into line with the other gospels by inserting the tomb scene (it originally ended with the burial) as unimportant, or the varied lengths between certain Dead Sea scrolls and their corresponding books of the Xian bible is "unimportant" or not, but it sure shows that what y'all use is not the original material no matter what spin you attempt to put to it! yes.gif
Hotoke
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most, if not all, of these so called contradictions appear only in translations, not in the original language. most of them are cleared up by looking at alternate meanings of some of the words. some others might need a little bit of reasearch into ANE culture to see if the author ment something other than what a westerner would read. i highly doubt that the websites that stellar got these contradictions do this. they have hardly done enough research to show that these are in fact contradictions. if someone found two translated statements that contradict each other and claimed that those statements constituted proof of a contradiction in the text, they would probably be laughed at by anyone with a little knowledge of textual critisism techniques.



worst excuse ever
Eagleclan
Wait a minute guys. First contradictions do not prove everything in the Bible is false, just as science contradicts itself everyday, but not everything in science is false (or is it?) Another thing, I agree there are great contradictions in the Bible, but comparing short passages against one another is not the way to show contradictions. Take the example of Jesus when he speaks of himself as a sword. What he is saying is that if you believe in him then you are going to make some of your family upset at you because they do not believe in Jesus. Lets get it right or the contradictions become meaningless, just as throwing back pasted clips from off other websites means anything to me. It doesn't. I believe in God, but I also see the human hand within the Bible.
beowulf
I maintain that complete additions or subtractions are good evidence that the bible is not inspired by God in any manner, but is nothing more than mythology, just like that of the Greeks and Norse! yes.gif Incidentally, I too believe in a Creator, just not the bogus one of Xianity
Something Like Laughter
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I don't know if bringing the original Mark into line with the other gospels by inserting the tomb scene (it originally ended with the burial) as unimportant, or the varied lengths between certain Dead Sea scrolls and their corresponding books of the Xian bible is "unimportant" or not, but it sure shows that what y'all use is not the original material no matter what spin you attempt to put to it!  yes.gif
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the added ending of mark has only been known to be added for the past 1600 years. and yes it has been recognized as a fraud by most church leaders for that long too. things like that are why there are people whose job it is to look at manuscripts and decide what was originally there. do you have an article or something i could read concerning what you said about the Dead Sea scrolls.


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most, if not all, of these so called contradictions appear only in translations, not in the original language. most of them are cleared up by looking at alternate meanings of some of the words. some others might need a little bit of reasearch into ANE culture to see if the author ment something other than what a westerner would read. i highly doubt that the websites that stellar got these contradictions do this. they have hardly done enough research to show that these are in fact contradictions. if someone found two translated statements that contradict each other and claimed that those statements constituted proof of a contradiction in the text, they would probably be laughed at by anyone with a little knowledge of textual critisism techniques.



worst excuse ever
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i knew there would be a few brick walls here who didnt try to refute anything i said and just said they were wrong. sorry, but just saying something is wrong doesnt make it so.


QUOTE(beowulf @ Dec 21 2004, 09:53 AM)
I maintain that complete additions or subtractions are good evidence that the bible is not inspired by God in any manner, but is nothing more than mythology, just like that of the Greeks and Norse! yes.gif Incidentally, I too believe in a Creator, just not the bogus one of Xianity
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i do not hold a position that every manuscript of the bible is a perfect copy. the bible makes no such claim either. be careful that you do not start "burning a Straw man."
Hotoke
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i knew there would be a few brick walls here who didnt try to refute anything i said and just said they were wrong. sorry, but just saying something is wrong doesnt make it so


explain

according to biblical scholars the gospel of matthew is the oldest. but they also say hat the gospel of mark is not the original one.in the same way that the writers of matthew and luke copied and enlarged the gospel of mark, mark copied and enlarged an earlier document which is called the "original mark. what it was, when it was written no one knows. christian scholars admitted that the gospel of john is not an historical document but an interpretation of jesus's life.it gives us an picture of what jesus was supposed to be like and also that it is based on greek philosophy. the gospels of mark matthew and luke give different views on what christ was supposed to be like. the difference between the gospels of matthew mark and luke and the gospel of john is so clear that every critic agrees, that if jesus taught matthew mark and luke, he could not have taught john. why? simply because in the first three gospels we meet an entirely different christ then in the gospel of christ. they all give a different view on jesus, mark says that christ was a man, matthew and luke sya he was a demi god, and john claimed he was god
FreyKade
im waiting for ashley to come to this post...could be quite a laugh her trying to explain this
Stellar
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most, if not all, of these so called contradictions appear only in translations, not in the original language.


How many people read the original language? How many christians here have read the bible in the original language? Please, show of hands, anyone!?

Now, every christian who has said that the bible is infallible and was not changed, raise their hand now please!

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most of them are cleared up by looking at alternate meanings of some of the words.


Most is far from all. Explain to me how, if in the original language there was lets say 1 angel, in the translation they once wrote 1 and then wrote 2 and such?

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i highly doubt that the websites that stellar got these contradictions do this. they have hardly done enough research to show that these are in fact contradictions.


Again, I ask, how many christians have read the original language to know that theres no contradictions?

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if someone found two translated statements that contradict each other and claimed that those statements constituted proof of a contradiction in the text, they would probably be laughed at by anyone with a little knowledge of textual critisism techniques.


It hardly changes a thing if theres less contradictions in the original than there is in the new one, it simply proves my point: The bible has been changed.

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if you are saying the actual text of the bibe has changed, with the exception of copyist errors and some unimportant bits, you would be wrong.


If some bits changed, how are we supposed to trust the rest? Especially when its called "the word of god"

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but it sure shows that what y'all use is not the original material no matter what spin you attempt to put to it!


Precisely. Or, if it is the original material, then the original is full of contradictions and such also.

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First contradictions do not prove everything in the Bible is false, just as science contradicts itself everyday, but not everything in science is false (or is it?)


Science doesnt claim its theories to be 100% true word of god either.... whistling2.gif

Oh and BTW, science doesnt contradict itsself... I dare you to show me a contradiction within science...

Edit: BTW, arent you one of those who think science shouldnt be trusted because you think theres contradictions in it? If so, why do you trust the bible then?
Celumnaz
But the most important thing, is that we disprove Christianity. That's the goal. Use logic, science, the bible, doesn't matter as long as christianity=stupid is the result. Agenda drives the research.

Question's not if I've read and understood the original texts... did they when putting out the contradictions? Do they care?

And omgz how perfect science is with no contradictions! How in the world are new discoveries made?? When the current data can't explain observed phenom... there's a contradiction, and science grows because of it. First global cooling, then global warming... what led to the black hole theory before black holes observed... so many things.

I believe in Jesus just like some believe in Allah or Aliens or whatever, can't we all just get along? Oh... no... because in my belief, some might go to hell, and because I believe that, I and my belief must be destroyed. Why does it matter so much to those that don't believe? Really bugs em? Why? Not like I walk around telling people they're going to hell or anything. I just say I believe in Jesus, nice to meet you, have a cookie.
Hotoke
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How in the world are new discoveries made?? When the current data can't explain observed phenom... there's a contradiction, and science grows because of it. First global cooling, then global warming... what led to the black hole theory before black holes observed... so many things.



that is normal thinking for people who don't know anything about science
Stellar
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did they when putting out the contradictions?


Thats not the question, nor the point. Stop trying to change it around and say "Well, theres less contradictions in the original, so HAH!" because its not about the original. Its about people who havent read the original yet still claiming theres no errors in the bible... Humans havent changed the bible over the years AT ALL. Thats what this is about, not the original, but this. It is utterly unimportant in this case what the original says, because I'm discussing whether the current translated version of the bible can be termed "infallible" and "unchanged"

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How in the world are new discoveries made?? When the current data can't explain observed phenom... there's a contradiction, and science grows because of it. First global cooling, then global warming... what led to the black hole theory before black holes observed... so many things.


Thats not a contradiction within science. There can be no contradictions within science. What you're talking about is a new theory replaceing an old theory. No scientific laws or facts with equal credibility can contradict each other.

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I believe in Jesus just like some believe in Allah or Aliens or whatever, can't we all just get along?


Not when people come telling us what "the truth" is and saying everyone else is wrong, and then getting agressive about it.

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Oh... no... because in my belief, some might go to hell, and because I believe that, I and my belief must be destroyed.


You know thats not true. You know that the argument stems when someone comes here and starts spreading their belief as "the truth". ESPECIALLY when they THREATEN someone with hell for their belief.

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Why does it matter so much to those that don't believe? Really bugs em?


You're damn right it bugs us!

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Why? Not like I walk around telling people they're going to hell or anything.


Why? Because maybe you dont go around telling people that what you believe is the truth and the nonbelievers are going to hell, but other are!
Q-La
So here are two scientists seeking scientific truth. They have both come up with some observations that does not totally agree with the other's findings. The findings are nevertheless publised in the same issue of a scientific magazine. OK fire the editor, but don't dump science altogether.

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Stellar
Q-La: Be more specific, if possible, add 2 actual observations, not say that theres 2 that oppose each other.
Q-La
I am afraid I may not be competent enough to bring up a pair of suitable examples. My previous point was simply analogous and meant that the science magazine found hundreds of years later will bear testimony to our seeking of science, regardless of our imperection and inadequate understanding in the search. And if the said to-be-antique magazine is to be worshipped that would not undermine the fact that science did exist(if we are gone) in human understanding. Likewise anyone who see the central message of the bible would not be discouraged by the technical (human errors IMO) errors, just like the scientists have faith in the universe that it is learnable. But in the end its like comparing an apple with an orange.
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